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Volume Limit
Sancho's recommendation to set the "Volume Limit" setting is something that every owner should consider doing as the factory default is OFF. It can be set to one of three settings as shown in the image below ... the most likely being 70/-10db and will ensure that the master volume cannot be raised to deafening or speaker damaging levels if the remote were to get in the hands of a little one (or guest even).

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Safety net with twin 7 year olds or Daddy has one too many (hard to do with no alcohol in the home).
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I would recommend 0db instead of -10db.
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Very few owners will ever go beyond 70/-10db, although whatever is best .... bottom line ... set it. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by lawtyger View Post

You're in trouble if I am the one helping you with all these knowledgeable folks here but the answer to the question is Yes I can pick for example blueray in both zones watching Skyfall on Zone 1 (main) in 5.1 PLII Cinema and watching it on the HDTV connected to Zone 2 with sound via the speakers on the HDTV. Does that help? Let me know if I can test anything else.

Heck, I'm going through the manual page by page now. I'd just like to know how to do something simple like play a radio station on all 5 speakers (not in surround mode) instead of just the two fronts. UPDATE - Awe, just got to page 113 - press and hold sound mode buttons. Sounds much better now on Dolby Music.

That is very interesting, i never considered that the receiver is simply pushing back to the source requiring it to change the audio stream. This poses a problem since the HTPC stream will not automatically be able to change the audio stream from the movie I am playing. Meaning that if the movie I am playing is running a DTS audio stream it is not going to switch to stereo on its own. In fact many of my movie rips dont even have a stereo stream built into them and the software i use to bitstream audio has been pain stankingly configured to only bitstream higher quality streams for movies. That would mean that I will never be able to get this to work without manually changing things to stereo on my own. I dont however understand why it screws up the video when it comes back but I know computers are much more finicky then TVs etc with the handshake.

The cable box is set in options to surround which is also probably why i cannot get it to automatically change to stereo. i guess my question with all this being said is there any reason to even keep this receiver if that ability was my only real reason to upgrade? I was never able to get sound from my HTPC with the old receiver without the htpc sending pcm to my tv then looping that back to the receiver via analog but then i had to pick either zone 1 or 2 and could not have both. Lastly, i would think the comcast box should be able to switch to pcm on its own since it does this already for stereo quality tv channels and commercials.

I think i will go ahead and swap it as i have talked to Denon yesterday and they told me the box is definitely not behaving normally and i should do this anyway. if the next box behaves in the same manner i will contemplate just returning it for a refund. Let me know if anyone has any other suggestions or are using an HTPC for movie rips and how you get around the bitstream audio issue or if it just works.
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Originally Posted by justeric78 View Post

The cable box is set in options to surround which is also probably why i cannot get it to automatically change to stereo. i guess my question with all this being said is there any reason to even keep this receiver if that ability was my only real reason to upgrade? I was never able to get sound from my HTPC with the old receiver without the htpc sending pcm to my tv then looping that back to the receiver via analog but then i had to pick either zone 1 or 2 and could not have both. Lastly, i would think the comcast box should be able to switch to pcm on its own since it does this already for stereo quality tv channels and commercials.

This will likely depend on the capability of the box. My Panny TV does not accept DD 5.1 audio and with the CenturyLink DVR set to DD would not switch to PCM when playing an HD DD 5.1 channel via the HDMI Standby Pass through mode; however, my new DirecTV DVR will in fact do this.
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Thanks to jd for the response on HDMI 2.0. I guess we will have to wait for Denon to declare their plans smile.gif

My next question, of a similar vein, is whether the x-series will be upgradeable in firmware to support Spotify Connect? Yamaha have already announced that most of their current networked AVRs will be upgradeable. As Denon are one of the partners specifically mentioned in the Spotify announcement, it would be good if we could get clarification on which current Denon models will be supporting this new tech.
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No Denon reports there will be no firmware update. Rather look for the feature to be on the new 2014 models.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

This is correct, you can power on directly with an input selection command. Good substitute if you can't locate a discrete power on command. A situation I am facing now as my Harmony powers on all three zones together and I don't want music playing in my backyard late at night without my knowledge!

For the time being I just set the default power on volume for Zone 2 to the minimum so it's inaudible.

Yeah, music or any OTHER audio. Imagine if you were to fire up your system and inadvertently blast the neighbors with material that you wouldn't want them to hear coming from your back yard, like porn, the VMA awards show...but wait, I repeat myself!

(With apologies to the late Samuel Clemens)

This thread is great. I was going to wait until I read the whole thing before posting, but after reading the quoted post I just couldn't stop myself.

Hopefully by the time I get to the end I'll know which model to choose. I don't have a real need for multi-zone audio, but some of the othe features on the higher-end units are appealing. I don't think I can justify the leap to the 4250, but the X3000 and X4000 definitely look promising.

Thanks very much to the early adopters and subject matter experts for helping us less advanced members make more educated decisions!
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any clue as to when the 2014 models will be available? I just purchased an X4000 still in the box wondering if i should keep it or send it back for the 2014 model? Will a JVC DLA-RS4810 take advantage of the new benefits of HDMI 2.0 or will this be more beneficial for True 4K projectors?
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Thread Starter 
You've got a while to go, these models just came out in April or so. Denon models are typically announced early in the year (e.g. Feb-March) and then come out in the spring.
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The new line of AVRs is generally always released at the same time each year ... April/May with the "X" series more likely to be in May.
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Has anyone tested out the Low Frequency Containment (LFC) feature of the X4000 yet?
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Several of us have noting very positive results to include graphed results by member AustinJerry using his 4520CI in the link below ....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread/500_100#post_22525837
Edited by jdsmoothie - 9/6/13 at 2:15pm
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any clue as to when the 2014 models will be available? I just purchased an X4000 still in the box wondering if i should keep it or send it back for the 2014 model? Will a JVC DLA-RS4810 take advantage of the new benefits of HDMI 2.0 or will this be more beneficial for True 4K projectors?

You are going to need a 4K source ( with HDMI 2.0 ) and a 4K projector that accepts HDMI 2.0 . It's going to be a couple of years before this all becomes widespread. Hopefully any new 4K source devices will have two HDMI outputs, so your current reciever can do the audio from one HDMI, and you can connect the 2nd HDMI to your new 4K video display.

We've done all this before, most recently with 3D. History repeats itself. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

No Denon reports there will be no firmware update. Rather look for the feature to be on the new 2014 models.
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

Hopefully any new 4K source devices will have two HDMI outputs, so your current reciever can do the audio from one HDMI, and you can connect the 2nd HDMI to your new 4K video display.
This seems highly unlikely!
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Several of us have as well as posted the positive results in this thread as well as the 4520CI thread (graphed results). smile.gif

Awesome, thanks. I'll search them out.
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Edited my previous post to include a link to the graph display of what LFC can do in the lower frequencies. Also important to note that LFC works whether you have a stand alone sub or are running your speakers full range (ie. LARGE) without a sub.

Also as a special bonus, I've added some comparison info in post #7 of this thread that compares these new models with their respective 2012 predecessor.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#post_23139002
Edited by jdsmoothie - 9/6/13 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer

Hopefully any new 4K source devices will have two HDMI outputs, so your current reciever can do the audio from one HDMI, and you can connect the 2nd HDMI to your new 4K video display.

This seems highly unlikely

Why - many current 1080p Blu Ray players do. It's obviously going to be several years before we see 4K source material / delivery come of age. I'm waiting for Oppo to have a 4K player and Sony to come out with 4K disks. smile.gif
Edited by Craig Peer - 9/6/13 at 4:03pm
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So, I'm exactly 48 hours into X4000 ownership, my wife and I turn the unit on to watch nightly news and in about 10 minutes hear this crackling from the kitchen. Turns out it is the X4000 so I shut it off. Turned it back on and in a few minutes it starts again.

This isn't one of those highs that Audyssey is allowing me to hear that my Yamaha did not, just kidding.

Seriously, a bit concerned. I took a video of it and posted on my YouTube account here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOrT-D_xo88

You'll start to hear the crackle 15 seconds in, it gets louder, continues when I change inputs to tuner and remains when I go back to cable.

I've since turn the receiver off and back on a couple times and it starts again although It has been on for about 15 straight minutes now with no problems.

No sign of this issue Wednesday night or all day yesterday when I was setting the receiver up and enjoying it

Any thoughts in what this noise is and what may be causing it?

Update as added info - the noise comes from all 5 speakers and doesn't go away when I cycle through sound modes.

Further update - About 45 minutes passed, walked outside to put some home for sale flyers in the tube hanging from the for sale sign of the house and I came back in to static. I'm not sure I can walk to far away from the receiver if this keeps occurring. Once it crackles it continues to crackle unless volume is turned all the way to zero. My wife who walked back in with me asked me "So why did you decide to get Denon this time and not just get another Yamaha." Time for a unit reset I guess which I assume means I have to run Audyssey all over again.
Edited by lawtyger - 9/6/13 at 4:52pm
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It's arrived! How long does the initial SW update take?
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

It's arrived! How long does the initial SW update take?
About 45 minutes. But that encompassing the download and the install that occurs.
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

Why - many current 1080p Blu Ray players do. It's obviously going to be several years before we see 4K source material / delivery come of age. I'm waiting for Oppo to have a 4K player and Sony to come out with 4K disks. smile.gif
Me too. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

It's arrived! How long does the initial SW update take?

Just start setting it up and have fun. Download the fw later.
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

About 45 minutes. But that encompassing the download and the install that occurs.
Thanks. Is it something I should do right away or can I wait until I go to bed? Can I just leave it to download? Will it shut itself off afterwards?
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I have the X2000 which I got about 2 weeks back. It's been working flawlessly, but yesterday when I was watching Cable the AVR on its own switched to TV input. I thought this must be something to do with ARC but I have only connected the optical TOSlink from TV to my AVR and assigned it to TV input. But today the AVR suddenly switched to AUX input and I have nothing connected to that. Anyone has seen this issue - I haven't done any software update after I got it, I haven't even connected the AVR to any network.
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

Thanks. Is it something I should do right away or can I wait until I go to bed? Can I just leave it to download? Will it shut itself off afterwards?

Hi ambesolman, I had this same question when I first got my X4000. Feel free to do it at your convenience.

Curious what is your current firmware?
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Originally Posted by scientifix View Post

I have the X2000 which I got about 2 weeks back. It's been working flawlessly, but yesterday when I was watching Cable the AVR on its own switched to TV input. I thought this must be something to do with ARC but I have only connected the optical TOSlink from TV to my AVR and assigned it to TV input. But today the AVR suddenly switched to AUX input and I have nothing connected to that. Anyone has seen this issue - I haven't done any software update after I got it, I haven't even connected the AVR to any network.

Nope, nothing like that for my 2000. The only issue I had was a one time freeze on start up and I had to unplug it.
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Originally Posted by lawtyger View Post

Further update - About 45 minutes passed, walked outside to put some home for sale flyers in the tube hanging from the for sale sign of the house and I came back in to static. I'm not sure I can walk to far away from the receiver if this keeps occurring. Once it crackles it continues to crackle unless volume is turned all the way to zero. My wife who walked back in with me asked me "So why did you decide to get Denon this time and not just get another Yamaha." Time for a unit reset I guess which I assume means I have to run Audyssey all over again.

I didn't have any issues like that either, sounds like she's got a problem.
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