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post #2581 of 6897
According to the X4000's manual, you need a TV that's compatible with Auto Lip Sync. Apparently yours is. Perhaps there's a setting in the TV itself that needs to be enabled?
post #2582 of 6897
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

According to the X4000's manual, you need a TV that's compatible with Auto Lip Sync. Apparently yours is. Perhaps there's a setting in the TV itself that needs to be enabled?

Well, I guess there are two questions. A) Why didn't auto lip sync work and B) Even with this off the manual delay adjustment in the Denon didn't seem to work for me.

I didn't immediately see a setting in the TV to enable auto lip-sync, but I may just have missed it. I don't even know if this TV supports it.

I guess it would be good to know if the manual delay (in the Denon) works for other people with this AVR, if the Oppo is supposed to just work without needed it to set a manual delay, etc.

I was kind of hoping that it was as simple as there is some setting that I missed that I needed to enable/disable for this.
post #2583 of 6897
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Originally Posted by vadergr View Post

Hello ,

Any of the x4000 owners with a >5.1 setup with floorstanding , having any issues driving their setup without external amp?
Is the x4000 powerfull enough?

thanks in advance...

I'm using mine with B&W CM9s, a CMC2 plus some satellites - and it works great. The speakers are bi-amped from the X4000.
post #2584 of 6897
Do you hear a difference between bi-amping vs not for your B&W front speakrs?

I keep seeing conflcting reports and reviews on bi-amping benefits. thanks
post #2585 of 6897
This worked! Thanks so much!!!!! So glad it's not a permanent problem!
post #2586 of 6897
Using two amps driving the speaker crossovers interdependently may be of some advantage in lower distortion in the amp output stage. Considering only one transformer and cap bank, It would actually be disappointing if you got a big improvement doing this as it means the amps are not stable voltage amplifiers and are adversely effected by the load more than is desired. I guess this is a reality of stuffing seven amplifiers in a too-small box with insufficient power supply reserves. The entire X4000 is about the size and weight of just one decent 100W power amp. You have to give something up in a receiver. Mother nature says so, and arguing with her is always futile. If it sounds better, do it.

It may be providing a hint of what a nice big external power amp for the main left and right would give you should you decide to spend as much for one amp as the X4000 cost itself. D&M do know how to make very good amplifiers with sufficient power supplies.
post #2587 of 6897
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Originally Posted by GrinFace View Post

Hi,
I'm using additional amp thru pre out in x4000 to power up FL FR, when i turn on x4000 the main power indicator will be blinking green for about 3 second. What is this blinking green means?
Thanks

Its microprocessor is booting.
post #2588 of 6897
Had to make an account. the x4000 is $898.87 new on ebay! hopefully this is news to people, and good news at that...... hopefully this is not also ominous foreshadowing.
post #2589 of 6897
^^
These low ball sales are generally always by "unauthorized" resellers which means the 3 year Denon warranty will NOT apply. With electronics, you're generally much better served knowing there is a valid mfr warranty in place. If you feel lucky, go for it. You wouldn't catch me spending $900 without a warranty in place. smile.gif
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awwwww, well this place always seems to give me more and more info. thanks! glad i finally joined and didn't look more into getting the x4000 from that seller.
post #2591 of 6897
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... the x4000 is $898.87 new on ebay! ...
These low ball sales are generally always by "unauthorized" resellers which means the 3 year Denon warranty will NOT apply.
According to warranty information provided by Denon on their Canadian and American websites - as well as in the box with my AVR-X4000 - the warranty period on "AVR"-series receivers, other than the "CI" versions, is only two years:

Denon Canada Warranty (PDF) | Denon USA Warranty (PDF)

Am I missing something here? If there's a third year available, I'd love to get in on it!

-- Edit --
Never mind. I just checked the "Denon X-Series Press Release" linked to in this thread's OP. Funny that Denon wouldn't bother to update that information on their website or in the documentation they issue with their receivers.
Edited by eljaycanuck - 9/18/13 at 5:06am
post #2592 of 6897
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
These low ball sales are generally always by "unauthorized" resellers which means the 3 year Denon warranty will NOT apply. With electronics, you're generally much better served knowing there is a valid mfr warranty in place. If you feel lucky, go for it. You wouldn't catch me spending $900 without a warranty in place. smile.gif

I agree. If anything grab a reconditioned model for a deal from the two authorized dealers for those. You definitely want the warranty. Denon has a complete list on their site.
post #2593 of 6897
^^
And actually speaking of the "authorized" refurb resellers, note that the "new" reseller ADGTRON is really the former Dakmart (likely changing their name to avoid all the bad reviews) which gets terrible customer service reviews and based on my own personal experience rarely (very rarely) ever responds to phone inquiries so customer service after the purchase from them is likely to be very poor. I would suggest staying away from them, rather using Accessories4Less instead.
post #2594 of 6897
I like AC4L, but have also had good communication from the other. One should note you also take some risk with a refurb anyways, but at least it's a 1 yr warranty now and not 90 days...
post #2595 of 6897
Amp question, since Im a newbie in that dept. Say I get an emotiva for example, and use the X4000 as a pre pro. Does the Audyssey correction in the Denon apply, before the signal is sent out to the amp? Or do i lose XT32 ability once adding an amp?
post #2596 of 6897
When Audyssey's calibration is run, its signals go through the circuits in the receiver (or pre/pro), the amplifier,the the speakers and the room. Its microphone hears all of their effects and the final calibration curve takes them all into account. If you change anything about any of them (e.g. move furniture) you need to run the calibration again so it can take those changes into account.
post #2597 of 6897
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

When Audyssey's calibration is run, its signals go through the circuits in the receiver (or pre/pro), the amplifier,the the speakers and the room. Its microphone hears all of their effects and the final calibration curve takes them all into account. If you change anything about any of them (e.g. move furniture) you need to run the calibration again so it can take those changes into account.

Thanks. I kinda thought it would work that way, but wasnt sure.
post #2598 of 6897
Thread Starter 
Wy would the processor care where the signal is amplified? It's two totally different steps in the chain.
post #2599 of 6897
One more dummy question. How much heat, if any, is the X4000 going to be producing when it isnt being used as an amp?

My room is going to be tight with an amp and trying to configure the layout. I have a surge protector that is about the form factor of an oppo 93/103 with the same feet. Was wondering if that could be put on top of the X4000.
post #2600 of 6897
Thread Starter 
A lot of the heat is thrown off by the processing chips (eg the video processor and HDMI board) so it will still be fairly warm even with the amps idle. If you want to know just turn it on for a while without any content playing and see how warm it gets.

Regardless I would NOT stack a component directly on top of it, period. It needs a few inches of clearance on too for air flow. The only way I would recommend doing it is if you sandwiched some type of rack cooling fan in between to exhaust hot air.
post #2601 of 6897
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

A lot of the heat is thrown off by the processing chips (eg the video processor and HDMI board) so it will still be fairly warm even with the amps idle. If you want to know just turn it on for a while without any content playing and see how warm it gets.

Regardless I would NOT stack a component directly on top of it, period. It needs a few inches of clearance on too for air flow. The only way I would recommend doing it is if you sandwiched some type of rack cooling fan in between to exhaust hot air.

I figured as much. I have another idea. My stand is a sanus low pro, and can hold 6 devices, granted there is not much vertical height. I made my center shelf adjustable by adding new holes, I will lower it down to where the bottom will barely hold my blu-ray player, then the top will comfortably hold the X4000. The shelf to the right will be lowered in the same manner, surge protection on bottom and Amp on top. Should look good.
post #2602 of 6897
Question on a Denon 12V trigger. It seems I need a 3.5mm mini cable, and according to the manual it must be mono no stereo?
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post #2604 of 6897
Thanks, I missed the link to that RS mono cable, and the store I was going hit on the way home has it! Trying to do it all right the first time.
post #2605 of 6897
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
These low ball sales are generally always by "unauthorized" resellers which means the 3 year Denon warranty will NOT apply. With electronics, you're generally much better served knowing there is a valid mfr warranty in place. If you feel lucky, go for it. You wouldn't catch me spending $900 without a warranty in place. smile.gif

I agree. If anything grab a reconditioned model for a deal from the two authorized dealers for those. You definitely want the warranty. Denon has a complete list on their site.

I don't think the manufacturer warranties are as good as some of the aftermarket plans. My recent warranty experience had me paying 67$ to ship the defective unit back to the MFR. Ironically if I had just bought the squaretrade warranty for the same length of time (2 yrs in this case) it would have been 83$ and they include the shipping costs and guarantee service timeframes (so they don't take months on end) and even have a cashout option if they can't sort it out. So in that scenario I would have preferred to not be part of the mfr warranty...
post #2606 of 6897
Yeah, you are going to pay to ship if there isnt a repair facility close. Mine is in Atlanta.

Does Denon publish capacitance/power supply numbers? Some amps for example will say something like "80,000 uF of storage capacitance".
post #2607 of 6897
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

I don't think the manufacturer warranties are as good as some of the aftermarket plans. My recent warranty experience had me paying 67$ to ship the defective unit back to the MFR. Ironically if I had just bought the squaretrade warranty for the same length of time (2 yrs in this case) it would have been 83$ and they include the shipping costs and guarantee service timeframes (so they don't take months on end) and even have a cashout option if they can't sort it out. So in that scenario I would have preferred to not be part of the mfr warranty...

The weight of the unit must certainly be taken into consideration as far as shipping costs are concerned. The more current models weigh considerably less than 5 year old models so shipping cost would be much reduced if required. Also it does indeed depend on whether there is a repair facility nearby so both good points to take into consideration before deciding whether a 3rd party warranty is more cost beneficial or not. Also important to note that some extended warranty companies will not sell you their product if you do not have a valid mfr's warranty.
post #2608 of 6897
Never mind on the capacitors, t4he Audioholics review stated they found a "pair of 12,000uF, 71V power capacitors"
post #2609 of 6897
Squaretrade and bestbuy are the two warranties I like most. Squaretrade will even cover most ebay purchases.

Check it out here http://pages.ebay.com/warranty/squaretrade.html

no need to be an authorized dealer.
post #2610 of 6897
I would imagine that SquareTrade covers most every purchase on eBay considering that eBay owns SquareTrade. wink.gif Also keep in mind that purchase of a Denon "X" series model from an "authorized" dealer is 3 years and if purchased with a credit card, the card issuer is likely to add a 4th year of warranty coverage for FREE (AMEX will do this for sure as will many MC/Visa issuers). Again, just depends on what you feel comfortable with as far as warranty coverage is concerned.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 9/18/13 at 12:58pm
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