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post #2911 of 6910
Thread Starter 
Have you tried a different analog audio source? For example, if you just hook up a CD/DVD player and play a normal music CD through RCA, does it sound good?
post #2912 of 6910
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Have you tried a different analog audio source? For example, if you just hook up a CD/DVD player and play a normal music CD through RCA, does it sound good?

I just tried that , I hooked my CD / Aux 1 sounds good , now you got me really thinking
post #2913 of 6910
Is the TT plugged into the same power strip as the receiver?
If not, that could be one source of problems.

Also, check and tighten the grounding and the cable connections in your TT. When you took it to your parents' house, vibrations while transporting it could have made intermittent connections temporarily not so intermittent, for example.
post #2914 of 6910

Went to my local Canadian dealer and picked up a X2000 this weekend at a nice discount over list.

 

Ran an 8 point Audessy setup and WOW what a difference over my 10 year old non-hdmi AVR!

 

Most noticeable is the smooth response in the bass, where before I had incredible peaks and valleys so that it seemed like the sub woofer only had one note.

 

Thanks to everyone on this forum for helping my decision, especially all the questions answered by batpig, jdsmoothie and others.

 

Next up - 1) Finish reprograming my Harmony to get the buttons just the way I like, 2) get my network extended to my downstairs theatre room and the X2000 connected up.

 

Landau

post #2915 of 6910
For any of you by a Fry's, they have a B&M only sale thru tomorrow only for E-400($299)
post #2916 of 6910
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Originally Posted by Landau View Post

Went to my local Canadian dealer and picked up a X2000 this weekend at a nice discount over list.

Ran an 8 point Audessy setup and WOW what a difference over my 10 year old non-hdmi AVR!

Landau

+1

I also replaced an old avr with the X2000, and the improvement was more than I could have hoped for.

David
post #2917 of 6910
Am I the only one disappointed that the fm tuner on my X2000 only goes down to 92.1? Or am I missing something?

Our favorite stations here in the Cleveland area are 87.7 and 88.3, which we can't get. confused.gif I thought this sort of thing was standard, it never occurred to me that some fm tuners don't range as low as others.

David
post #2918 of 6910
^^
No worries. You are only accessing the 56 presets in the unit, rather you can manually tune the entire FM band using the Tuner +/- buttons on your remote. smile.gif

post #2919 of 6910
I just purchased and installed a Denon AVR-X2000. The install went fine, but I've noticed a problem. The dialog audio seems to fade in and out at random times. I can be watching a show and the dialog will fade suddenly and then come back. Sometimes the dialog will completely disappear.

I have a 5.1 setup. So far I have only noticed it on TV and streaming media, particularly the TED stream. The recording off the DVR is coming in as dolby digital, and the TED stream is Mono according to the Denon Info. So it seems to be independent of the codec

I thought it was the center channel, and checked the connections to the receiver. Then I took the banana plugs off and just used a bare wire connection. No joy I have also checked the connection to the center speaker and they look fine.

I should note that my old Yamaha receiver worked fine for years with this setup.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Alan
post #2920 of 6910
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Have you run Audyssey yet to enable Dyn EQ and Dyn Volume as both of these features would help resolve your issue? When watching TV, set the Reference Level Offset to 10db as well. Also ensure your center channel speaker is aimed up to your ear level. You also have the option of simply raising the volume of the center channel using the Dialog Level setting (p. 127 OM).
post #2921 of 6910
I should note this happens with dynamic volume on or off.
post #2922 of 6910
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Have you run Audyssey yet to enable Dyn EQ and Dyn Volume as both of these features would help resolve your issue? When watching TV, set the Reference Level Offset to 10db as well. Also ensure your center channel speaker is aimed up to your ear level. You also have the option of simply raising the volume of the center channel using the Dialog Level setting (p. 127 OM).

Sorry, didn't see your reply. Yes, I did set the receiver up with Audyssey.. When I first noticed the problem both dynamic equilization and dynamic volume were set to on as I mentioned in the previous post . I will take a look at the reference level offset and see what it's set at.

Alan
post #2923 of 6910
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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No worries. You are only accessing the 56 presets in the unit, rather you can manually tune the entire FM band using the Tuner +/- buttons on your remote. smile.gif


THANK YOU, JD! I had to figure out how to change tuning from automatic to manual, but you got me to our stations. Much appreciated!

David
post #2924 of 6910
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Originally Posted by ablevy View Post

Sorry, didn't see your reply. Yes, I did set the receiver up with Audyssey.. When I first noticed the problem both dynamic equilization and dynamic volume were set to on as I mentioned in the previous post . I will take a look at the reference level offset and see what it's set at.

Alan

You made no mention of using either Dyn EQ or Dyn Volume or Audyssey for that matter which is why I asked. wink.gif
post #2925 of 6910
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You made no mention of using either Dyn EQ or Dyn Volume or Audyssey for that matter which is why I asked. wink.gif

Sorry again. Not sure how that got to be bold. Got to use the preview button more . I just set the reference level up and will try that next. I know I can increase the level of the center channel, but I'm not sure that will solve a fade in and out problem. Especially one where the sound essentially disappears.

I did notice one other thing and I'm wondering whether it's related. When i stream the TED talks in mono, I get no sound. Yet if I go into XBMC and change the sound from HDMI out to optical out I can hear the sound. That's especially funky because all my connections are HDMI.

Alan
post #2926 of 6910
^^
If you haven't already, please review the Troubleshooting section I have listed in post #3 of this thread.
post #2927 of 6910
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Yes. Dyn EQ can be set ON/OFF by source; however, there is also the Reference Level Offset setting that can be set to 10db or 15db to reduce the bass boost and thus help improve the dialogue quality for TV viewing.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Everything in the Audio / Audyssey menu is memorized separately by source.

Also before turning DEQ off completely try adjusting the Reference Level Offset for the input. That tones down how DEQ works.

I set the offset to 15 and while it was still heavy I could hear the dialog.

Thanks guys fir the help
post #2928 of 6910

The price on the X4000 has been pretty steady at 1300 from what I've seen.  I'm looking to pick one up, but thinking Black Friday would be a good time to get a good deal.  Any thoughts on that?  I'm an old Onkyo guy and am unfamiliar with how upper level Denons behave in the market price wise.

post #2929 of 6910
Thread Starter 
Advertised price isn't going to change. Denon is strict about this with authorized internet dealers. However if you pick up the phone and CALL some of them you will find the actual pricing. You can get it for well below msrp right now.
post #2930 of 6910
Was listening to some music earlier via iTunes streamed through Network on my x4000. I kept turning it up and realized it wouldn't go past -6db. The volume on the denon when increased also increases the volume on the iTunes volume bar apparently as it was at max. Vol limit on the denon is Off. If I stream through my airport express it doesn't do it which it understandable. Anyone else run into this? Any way to go past -6db?
post #2931 of 6910
I just got a AVR-X2000 and a brand new SVS PB12-NSD. I ran Audyssey and got everything set up.

With this configuration I was very unhappy with the bass response for movies and music. The bass from the sub was basically non-existent considering what this subwoofer is capable of. I listened up to 65-70 volume and was unhappy.

I turned the subwoofer level up from -10 db to 0 db, and turned the gain on the sub itself up from 12 o'clock to 1.5 o'clock. This helped the sound immensely!

Then running through the settings I found the sub was set to LFE, so I changed it to LFE+Main. I have large tower speakers for fronts and side surrounds and Audyssey identified them as "large."

Is it possible that the Denon was playing low frequencies through the front large speakers and sending nothing to the sub? It really was pathetic as far as bass goes. Does Audyssey calibrate for old feeble folks that hate bass? I watched Olympus has Fallen with my old $200 sub and receiver and had to get off the couch to turn the bass down.

I don't know what settings I should be using for the best sound, but I want to hear/feel the PB12 do work after spending $770 on a sub.
post #2932 of 6910
What was the subwoofer trim level that audyssey set? if the trim is set to a -db turn up the sub and re-run audyssey. if the trim is set to positive db, turn the sub down and rerun. The trim for the sub should be pretty close to 0db once dialed in properly. Once you've gotten audyssey setup, if any of the speakers are set as "large", change them to "small" and set the crossover to 80hz. Also, I would suggest setting the receiver sub option to "LFE" and not "LFE+Main".
post #2933 of 6910
A few thoughts:
1. Do a sub crawl to determine best placement for your sub.

2. Set the gain on your sub to around "9 o'clock".

3. Run the first cycle of Audyssey tones, calculate and store, then check the settings. The speakers should be set near the 0dB mark, the sub should be within 5 or 6dB of the speakers (usually on the lower side).
i) If your sub's level is much lower, lower the gain on the sub itself and re-run step 3.
ii) If your sub's level is much higher, raise the gain on the sub itself and re-run step 3.
iii) If your sub's level looks good, run a full set of Audyssey cycles (all six positions), calcualate and store.

4. Go into your AVR's speaker set-up menu and:
- set all speakers to "small";
- set your crossovers for all speakers to 80Hz;
- leave the LPF of LFE at 120Hz (it has nothing to do with the speakers-to-subwoofer crossovers); and
- bump the level of your sub a few dB if/as required or desired. (Do not adjust the gain on the sub itself.)
post #2934 of 6910

I have a factory refurb Denon AVR-X4000 that was purchased on 09/19/2013 from an authorized factory refurb dealer.
On October 5th the unit went into protection mode, while listening to music at a level of 50 from a computer attached via HDMI. I reset the receiver and approximately 20 min later it went into protection mode again. I reset it and changed to stereo mode and after 15 min protection mode again. I reset the receiver and switched over to watching cable TV also connected by HDMI increased the volume to 55, after another 20 -30 min the receiver went into protection mode again, and I reset it. This happened one more time, and then the receiver worked without incident for the next 6 hours. Zone 2 was off during all of this.
The previous weekend I listened to music in zone 1 and 2 at a level of 70-75 for 5-6 hours without incident
My setup is 5.1 channels with Zone 2. Front speakers are Bose 161's, back speakers are Polk TL-1s, Sub woofer is an old Infinity BU 120 Powered sub. The Zone 2 speakers are JBL indoor outdoor speakers on my patio.

The components are mounted in a large wall cutout, with a fan blowing out on the top of the cutout, with sufficient space around the receiver to stay cool.
On October 7th I talked to DENON, and explained the problem to them, after several questions, and a hard reset of the receiver, the technician wanted me to change out the front speakers, to my old floor model speakers, because the Bose speakers could drop to 4 ohms even though the receiver was rated for that. He also told me to do another hard reset after I changed the speakers. The problem here is all of my speaker wires are now run through the walls and ceiling to the Bose speakers that are wall mounted close to the ceiling. So now I will need to get more speaker wire to run new wires to the old speakers, and remove the components and shelving around the receiver to attach the new wires.
On OCT 8th I turned on the system when I got home from work, and played music for several hours the watched TV for several hours without incident. I have made no changes to the setup yet.
On OCT 9th I turned on the system and listened to music. After about 2 hours the receiver went into protection mode. I reset it and after 20 min it went into protection again. I reset it and switched to watching cable, again after 15 -20 min it went into protection. I reset it and it worked fine for the next 3 hours.
Oct 10 I got up this morning and turned on the Weather channel on cable (I do this every morning) but after about 30 min protection mode. Turned it off and went to work.
The questions. 1. Could the Bose speakers actually be causing this? I now have speaker wire to change out the front speakers

 2. Should I call Denon and send it back for another receiver now before the 30 day window closes (I realize I will have probably have to wait for a replacement)?
Thanks in advance.

post #2935 of 6910
^^
First understand that although the AVR is NOT rated for 4-ohm speakers (rather 6-16ohm), it shouldn't have any problems at volume levels closer to 50-60. If the AVR doesn't shut down in protection mode at this lower volume level, then it apparently is your speakers, otherwise if it still shuts down, get it replaced.
post #2936 of 6910
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Originally Posted by entropy37 View Post

I just got a AVR-X2000 and a brand new SVS PB12-NSD. I ran Audyssey and got everything set up.

With this configuration I was very unhappy with the bass response for movies and music. The bass from the sub was basically non-existent considering what this subwoofer is capable of. I listened up to 65-70 volume and was unhappy.

I turned the subwoofer level up from -10 db to 0 db, and turned the gain on the sub itself up from 12 o'clock to 1.5 o'clock. This helped the sound immensely!

Then running through the settings I found the sub was set to LFE, so I changed it to LFE+Main. I have large tower speakers for fronts and side surrounds and Audyssey identified them as "large."

Is it possible that the Denon was playing low frequencies through the front large speakers and sending nothing to the sub? It really was pathetic as far as bass goes. Does Audyssey calibrate for old feeble folks that hate bass? I watched Olympus has Fallen with my old $200 sub and receiver and had to get off the couch to turn the bass down.

I don't know what settings I should be using for the best sound, but I want to hear/feel the PB12 do work after spending $770 on a sub.

After the Audyssey calibration is completed successfully (see 101/FAQ below), the speakers and sub are calibrated such that what you hear is what the mixer intended you to hear. Many not familiar with this type of auto calibration are often used to "boomy" bass and believe that is what they should hear, which although possibly your "preference" is not what was intended. Try it for a few weeks and after that if you still don't prefer the more controlled bass, raise the Sub Level setting a few db using the AVR. Once calibration is completed, you are much better served making adjustments on the AVR (ie. digital) vs. on the sub itself (ie. manual).

Please refer to the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide for more info.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51700_100#post_21782993
Edited by jdsmoothie - 10/10/13 at 1:34pm
post #2937 of 6910
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Originally Posted by audio4life View Post

The price on the X4000 has been pretty steady at 1300 from what I've seen.  I'm looking to pick one up, but thinking Black Friday would be a good time to get a good deal.  Any thoughts on that?  I'm an old Onkyo guy and am unfamiliar with how upper level Denons behave in the market price wise.

It's been repeated numerous times throughout this thread, as well as batpig just repeating it again ... if price is important to you ... you want to CALL an authorized reseller (eg. AVScience) for their best price as only MSRP can be advertised on websites. Note we also sell SVS subs too as well as the other gear listed in my sig. smile.gif
post #2938 of 6910
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by entropy37 View Post

I have large tower speakers for fronts and side surrounds and Audyssey identified them as "large."

Is it possible that the Denon was playing low frequencies through the front large speakers and sending nothing to the sub? .

It's not just possible, it's a certainty because that's the way you had it configured!! Large = NO bass management

So in other words, your sub was only playing LFE content, no redirected bass. You want to make sure your system is configured correctly after Audyssey as noted above and in the many Audyssey FAQ's.
post #2939 of 6910
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
First understand that although the AVR is NOT rated for 4-ohm speakers (rather 6-16ohm), it shouldn't have any problems at volume levels closer to 50-60. If the AVR doesn't shut down in protection mode at this lower volume level, then it apparently is your speakers, otherwise if it still shuts down, get it replaced.

Thanks for the reply,

It shut down at 40 this morning.....  I just finished connecting my old Acoustic Studio Monitors, rated at 8 ohms, in place of the Bose. I guess it's time to see what happens.

post #2940 of 6910
To expand slightly on batpig's recommendation: if you haven't already done so, please take the time to read through the Audyssey 101/FAQ at http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#post_21782993

The instructions in the receiver's manual are woefully inadequate.
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