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post #2941 of 6921
NightRad,

How fast was the standby light blinking?

There are two different types of protection shutdowns. A fast blink (several /second) indicates a problem involving speakers, speaker wiring or amplifiers. A slow blink (several seconds/blink) indicates that the receiver is overheating.
post #2942 of 6921
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


It's been repeated numerous times throughout this thread, as well as batpig just repeating it again ... if price is important to you ... you want to CALL an authorized reseller (eg. AVScience) for their best price as only MSRP can be advertised on websites. Note we also sell SVS subs too as well as the other gear listed in my sig. smile.gif

Thank you for your private message.

 

The thing is, I'm not looking to buy now.  I'm looking to buy around the end of November.  That's why I was asking about Black Friday and not, for instance, whether someone had seen some really good prices today.  Onkyos can be had on that sale for some really deep discounts and I was wondering whether the same could be true for Denons.  I guess I'll find out eventually.

 

BTW, I don't see AVScience in the list of approved vendors on the Denon site, you might want them to get you updated.

post #2943 of 6921
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

NightRad,

How fast was the standby light blinking?

There are two different types of protection shutdowns. A fast blink (several /second) indicates a problem involving speakers, speaker wiring or amplifiers. A slow blink (several seconds/blink) indicates that the receiver is overheating.

Fast blink

post #2944 of 6921
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Originally Posted by audio4life View Post

Thank you for your private message.

The thing is, I'm not looking to buy now.  I'm looking to buy around the end of November.  That's why I was asking about Black Friday and not, for instance, whether someone had seen some really good prices today.  Onkyos can be had on that sale for some really deep discounts and I was wondering whether the same could be true for Denons.  I guess I'll find out eventually.

BTW, I don't see AVScience in the list of approved vendors on the Denon site, you might want them to get you updated.

You looked at the On-line etailor website of which there are maybe 20 listed, while on their regular dealer site there are several hundred listed to include AVScience. smile.gif

http://usa.denon.com/US/WhereToBuy/Pages/dealerlisting.aspx?type=All

post #2945 of 6921
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Originally Posted by NightRad View Post

Fast blink

Which means as long as you have visually confirmed that there are no loose speaker wires from one post touching another ... it's time to replace it. frown.gif
post #2946 of 6921
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Originally Posted by ablevy View Post

Sorry again. Not sure how that got to be bold. Got to use the preview button more . I just set the reference level up and will try that next. I know I can increase the level of the center channel, but I'm not sure that will solve a fade in and out problem. Especially one where the sound essentially disappears.

I did notice one other thing and I'm wondering whether it's related. When i stream the TED talks in mono, I get no sound. Yet if I go into XBMC and change the sound from HDMI out to optical out I can hear the sound. That's especially funky because all my connections are HDMI.

Alan

Well just to sum up I purchased an X2000 to replace my old Yamaha. I'm running a 5.1 system. I used Audyssey to set up the system initially. At first the receiver seemed to run OK. Within a day or so I was getting the dialog fading in and out, sometimes to the point it was inaudible. This happens whether Audessey is on or off. I have tried boosting the reference level, and boosting the dialog. Essentially they don't have an effect on the sound when it fades. Tonight it faded again and I realized that the center channel has no sound. I can hear the dialog but it's muffled and coming out of my left and right front speakers. Note that I was watching a recording of the John Steward show after watching the evening news when this happened. From this point on nothing I do gets back the center channel. Furthermore, areas of the recording where I didn't have any issues the first time through the recording are now muffled. I should note that the sound coming out of the L and R front speakers is muffled and somewhat distorted. After leaving it to cool down, I tried to listen to a Colbert recording and no center channel. Note that at this point I am questioning whether I blew out the center speaker or it's a bad receiver. I have the maximum volume set at 70 dB.

Thoughts?

Alan
post #2947 of 6921
Thread Starter 
Swap the wiring between the center and one of the other speakers. That basic troubleshooting step will reveal whether the speaker itself is defective or if it's the receiver.
post #2948 of 6921
Does anyone know whether this: http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Conserve-Smart-F7C007q-Energy-Saving/dp/B003P2UMQ2/ref=pd_cp_hi_1 will work with the X4000? I've got a power amp running my heights that doesn't like to stay on in auto at lower volumes, but I'm trying to get around having to manually turn it on and off every time I want to use it. I read that on an older denon the 4311 I think, that standby draws too much power from the master power switch to power off the other devices ( when put into stand by ). I was thinking maybe I'd plug my TV in to this, and have the amp turn on when the tv turns on ( so the amp would always be switched on, but would only power on when the TV was running ) .. does this make sense? Note - my power amp doesn't have a 12v trigger so that's out.
post #2949 of 6921
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Swap the wiring between the center and one of the other speakers. That basic troubleshooting step will reveal whether the speaker itself is defective or if it's the receiver.

Thanks, eventually figured that out myself and will try that tonight. Not sure which I hope for more .
post #2950 of 6921
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Originally Posted by rec head View Post

Okay, I have to be missing something but since I replaced my X4000 I am having a problem. Here's what's happening: I'm in the main zone with the AVR on. I turn off Z2 with the remote. The main zone doesn't just flash, I lose the picture and sound for good. I can view the AVR's OSD and menus. Doesn't matter what input Z1 or Z2 are on. Only solution is to turn Z2 back on.

My HDMI settings are:
Lip Sync: ON
HDMI Audio Out: AVR
Video Output: Auto (I have tried using Monitor 1- no change)
Pass Through: Off
HDMI Control: Off

I only have 1 TV hooked up.

Any ideas?

Today I was able to do a good config.dat save. I then reset multiple times the receiver and the problem went away. When I re-loaded the config.dat the problem returns. I did this whole process twice with the same results. I plan on re-doing the setup after another reset but this still seems like odd behavior. Is there any other setting that could cause this?
post #2951 of 6921
I suggest going through the settings for the video circuitry.
Try disabling "deep color" if it's enabled, to reduce the required bandwidth.
Another diagnostic would be to set the receiver to output a fixed 1080i or 720p signal.

It could be that the receiver is sending a signal that the TV in your main zone can't actually display, or, if you're using a Standard Speed HDMI cable, that's too high a frequency for the cable to carry reliably.

The receiver could be changing to a higher bitrate when Zone 2 is turned off. I seem to recall that the receiver's OSD also is at a relatively low resolution.
post #2952 of 6921
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

Was listening to some music earlier via iTunes streamed through Network on my x4000. I kept turning it up and realized it wouldn't go past -6db. The volume on the denon when increased also increases the volume on the iTunes volume bar apparently as it was at max. Vol limit on the denon is Off. If I stream through my airport express it doesn't do it which it understandable. Anyone else run into this? Any way to go past -6db?
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post #2953 of 6921
I have a 1611. Tomorrow, I'm going to help a friend setup his new E300. While I expect a nicer looking GUI, will the Audyssey setup be essentially the same? I mean, I just read the OP and it appears that the rules of setting up Audyssey are the same, but are the navigations the same? For instance, on my 1611, in order to set all speakers to small, the setting is MENU-->MANUAL SETUP-->SPEAKER SETUP-->SPEAKER CONFIG. And to raise the crossovers: MENU-->MANUAL SETUP-->SPEAKER SETUP-->CROSSOVER FREQ. Or will the menus have different names and layouts?
post #2954 of 6921
Thread Starter 
Audyssey is the same. The menu layout is a bit different but it's not rocket science wink.gif you've already set up one Denon, you'll be fine.
post #2955 of 6921
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Originally Posted by 120inna55 View Post

I have a 1611. Tomorrow, I'm going to help a friend setup his new E300. While I expect a nicer looking GUI, will the Audyssey setup be essentially the same? I mean, I just read the OP and it appears that the rules of setting up Audyssey are the same, but are the navigations the same? For instance, on my 1611, in order to set all speakers to small, the setting is MENU-->MANUAL SETUP-->SPEAKER SETUP-->SPEAKER CONFIG. And to raise the crossovers: MENU-->MANUAL SETUP-->SPEAKER SETUP-->CROSSOVER FREQ. Or will the menus have different names and layouts?

If you want to get a jumpstart, you can download Denon owner manuals from Denon's website linked below, otherwise just have him load the CD that came with the E300 to a laptop are view it that way. Refer to p. 81 of the E300 manual to see an image of the Menu map.

http://usa.denon.com/us/downloads/pages/instructionmanual.aspx
post #2956 of 6921
I'm looking for a new receiver. This moment a own the DENON AVR-3808. I'm really happy with it but it doesn't support HDMI 1.4 (3D).
I wonder if the new X4000 is equal or a little better compared with the 3808. And specially the audio specs.

Wilco
Edited by wbree - 10/12/13 at 12:42am
post #2957 of 6921
From a quality and pure audio standpoint I'd say teh 3808 is better. But its hard to argue the feature set of the x-4000.
post #2958 of 6921
^ Agreed. I'm in the process of swapping a 3808 with an X-4000 right now, my Saturday project. I expect it to be a "wash" sonically, electronics-wise. But since I really only use the AVR for movies, and don't use the built-in amps, I expect the sonic experience to be considerably improved due to the Audyssey upgrade. I do have 2 subs, plus there may be some sonic clarity improvement (any with the heavily-used center channel is especially appreciated) due to XT32's better filters. Also the X-4000 has some "switching" and display niceties that I will really appreciate. But then I know what I use and what is "fluff" to me, from numerous years with the 3808. You learn what features you'd like, it's hard to speculate or really tell from just reading the user manuals etc.

The 3808 is not even close to "obsolete" at this stage. If you don't pass/switch video through the 3808, and many people refuse to do this regardless of any A/V pre-pro's capability, and aren't heavily into the "zone thing", then the 3808 is still better than most models of AVR on the market. Denon-wise, anything current less than the X-4000 would be a step down IMO.

Edit: also if you have a lot of "legacy" analog sources or an older display device, the 3808 is much more capable with those e.g. S-video, VCR, perhaps some audio tape devices, component video

And one thing I'd really like for Denon to do, if they truly want to make their "higher" AVRs as flexible as some were a dozen years ago: stop having amp mapping only with specific configs. Put in a row of amp input jacks below the preamp output jacks. Little jumpers between them. People can remove the stock jumpers and jumper any output to any input and use any amp channel at all for whatever. You could still use your software-selectable configs with the stock jumpers, but "my way" is so much more flexible. I keep my other older AVRs around because they have this capability. Shouldn't cost that much to do, if Denon is in fact drastically consolidating their lineup as it appears i.e. fewer models need to do more things, and they don't have separates. I suppose they want us to buy Marantz instead...
Edited by cfraser - 10/12/13 at 8:34am
post #2959 of 6921
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Originally Posted by wbree View Post

I'm looking for a new receiver. This moment a own the DENON AVR-3808. I'm really happy with it but it doesn't support HDMI 1.4 (3D).
I wonder if the new X4000 is equal or a little better compared with the 3808. And specially the audio specs.

Wilco

As has already been mentioned, the upgrade factor would be the result of going to XT32 vs. XT in the 3808CI, as the current successor to the 3808CI is the flagship 4520CI.
post #2960 of 6921
^ I have no listening opinion on this, but if I was using the 3808's amp section, as most users probably do, I would have to really agree with you. Strictly judging by X-4000 power transformer size, heatsink size, and overall weight (smile.gif) compared to 3808, the 4520 would be the move from the 3808. Kinda OT, but I was told the 4520 is no longer being produced, and what's stockpiled is it, same as the other higher-end AVR/separate Denon products. I'm sure you have more accurate info...
post #2961 of 6921
Whatever his move is, he can still use the 3808 as an amp with the new AVR.
post #2962 of 6921
^ Yes he could. But for limitations I pointed out in my "edit" above, he would have to do it a bit "half-assedly" than if the amp section had separate direct inputs (that's one of the purposes I like them for). Kind of a waste for the (saintly!) 3808, but better than what mine'll probably end up doing. ->On the basement workbench...I guess I could stream audio to it though, that could be desirable.

Edit: the overall Audyssey setup could be screwed up since you'd have to go through a 3808 source input. You might be able to do it OK using the 3808's mch inputs (which the X-4000 doesn't have) and Direct mode...somebody who wants to do this will have to go through it carefully to see. I am flooded with separate amps here, so I haven't really thought about that aspect.
Edited by cfraser - 10/12/13 at 10:10am
post #2963 of 6921
Just hooked everything up on my E-400. And skipped Audyssey, i'll do that later(getting new speakers next week)
So I'm attempting to sync receiver w/various devices(2 STBs, 1 blu-ray & Apple TV). The STBs synced up no prob,
but when I got to the Blu-Ray & AppleTV no video/audio on either. I swapped out HDMI cables on both & still no luck.

I then went back & powered off AVR & tried to repeat connection test, but no vid/audio shows during the test phase.
So, then I tried skip all & now on home Denon Screen & I am updating F/W. I hope this works, otherwise back to Fry's it goes, or perhaps someone has some ideas that I can try?

All Monoprice & Blue Rigger HDMI cables(1.4 compliant). Panasonic TC-P50U54 pdp, plugged into HDMI 2(Arc), Viera On.
Direct TV HR34, Fios QIP 7232-P2, Samsung Blu-Ray E5300 & latest version 1080p AppleTV.
post #2964 of 6921
Is the AVR-X4000 able to play Dolby Digital encoded audio sources in the main zone while simultaneously playing the same source in zone 2 (as stereo)?

I AM able to play multi-channel encoded PCM sources in the main zone while playing the same source in zone 2. Unfortunately, I get the center chanell does not get mixed into the left and right. Of course, stereo encoded pcm works fine. But I can't get DD encoded sources to work at all. They play fine in the main zone but zone 2 has no sound. I'm not sure if this is a limitation of the x4000 or a limitation in my understanding of how it works.

I'm using HDMI for my sound source, and the pre-out for zone 2. I have a TV connected with hdmi to the main source, no video devices on zone 2.
Edited by work permit - 10/12/13 at 3:30pm
post #2965 of 6921
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Originally Posted by cfraser View Post

^ Yes he could. But for limitations I pointed out in my "edit" above, he would have to do it a bit "half-assedly" than if the amp section had separate direct inputs (that's one of the purposes I like them for). Kind of a waste for the (saintly!) 3808, but better than what mine'll probably end up doing. ->On the basement workbench...I guess I could stream audio to it though, that could be desirable.

Edit: the overall Audyssey setup could be screwed up since you'd have to go through a 3808 source input. You might be able to do it OK using the 3808's mch inputs (which the X-4000 doesn't have) and Direct mode...somebody who wants to do this will have to go through it carefully to see. I am flooded with separate amps here, so I haven't really thought about that aspect.

The multi channel inputs on the 3808 go straight though without processing. I was going to use my old one to power LCR from the X4000 but I couldn't get the 3808 to turn on remotely without a lot of extra nonsense. It can be done though it just depends on you setup.
post #2966 of 6921
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by work permit View Post

Is the AVR-X4000 able to play Dolby Digital encoded audio sources in the main zone while simultaneously playing the same source in zone 2 (as stereo)?

I AM able to play multi-channel encoded PCM sources in the main zone while playing the same source in zone 2. Unfortunately, I get the center chanell does not get mixed into the left and right. Of course, stereo encoded pcm works fine. But I can't get DD encoded sources to work at all. They play fine in the main zone but zone 2 has no sound. I'm not sure if this is a limitation of the x4000 or a limitation in my understanding of how it works.

I'm using HDMI for my sound source, and the pre-out for zone 2. I have a TV connected with hdmi to the main source, no video devices on zone 2.

No, only 2ch PCM. The multichannel PCM is only flowing the L/R signals through to zone 2 which is why you are losing the dialogue. The receiver can't do an internal stereo down mix.
post #2967 of 6921
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Originally Posted by rec head View Post

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Originally Posted by cfraser View Post

^ Yes he could. But for limitations I pointed out in my "edit" above, he would have to do it a bit "half-assedly" than if the amp section had separate direct inputs (that's one of the purposes I like them for). Kind of a waste for the (saintly!) 3808, but better than what mine'll probably end up doing. ->On the basement workbench...I guess I could stream audio to it though, that could be desirable.

Edit: the overall Audyssey setup could be screwed up since you'd have to go through a 3808 source input. You might be able to do it OK using the 3808's mch inputs (which the X-4000 doesn't have) and Direct mode...somebody who wants to do this will have to go through it carefully to see. I am flooded with separate amps here, so I haven't really thought about that aspect.

The multi channel inputs on the 3808 go straight though without processing. I was going to use my old one to power LCR from the X4000 but I couldn't get the 3808 to turn on remotely without a lot of extra nonsense. It can be done though it just depends on you setup.

While it can be done it seems a waste of a nice receiver. And as you found its a little trickier to integrate properly. Id rather sell the 3808 and use the proceeds towards a true dedicated amp if you felt you needed more power.
post #2968 of 6921
F/W update fixed issue................All is well w/E-400
post #2969 of 6921
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Originally Posted by leftyguitar1963 View Post

F/W update fixed issue................All is well w/E-400

Good, very good.
post #2970 of 6921
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Originally Posted by cfraser View Post

^ I have no listening opinion on this, but if I was using the 3808's amp section, as most users probably do, I would have to really agree with you. Strictly judging by X-4000 power transformer size, heatsink size, and overall weight (smile.gif) compared to 3808, the 4520 would be the move from the 3808. Kinda OT, but I was told the 4520 is no longer being produced, and what's stockpiled is it, same as the other higher-end AVR/separate Denon products. I'm sure you have more accurate info...

The 4520CI is due to be replaced in 2014 (ie. every 2 years) and so will be discontinued when the new model is released just as is the case with the lower level models when the newer models are released.
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