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post #3001 of 6923
Thread Starter 
How do you know it would require no more hardware? The HDMI 1 and 2 outputs are a split signal (either/or/both), the video conversion block in which the GUI is overlaid almost certainly comes before the signal is split. That to me clearly implies it would require additional hardware as the identical output is going to both monitor outs.

Anyway, most people WANT this and it's a feature, not a bug, so don't expect Denon to "fix" that just to satisfy the rare niche user who wants this.

As to the RGB thing, Denon used to (as you know from the 3808) have settings for RGB output but at least for a few years has abandoned these. Pretty much all consumer displays and source devices are using component color space with HDMI so I guess they figured it was better to get rid of a potentially confusing option that wasn't really needed in the vast majority of consumer applications.
post #3002 of 6923
^ I didn't think it was a "bug" (the OSD HDMI output port thing), I was saying what some of us wished for, and why. If the OSD is generated as you say, then yes it would require more HW, which is probably why they have limited options for it, and I certainly wouldn't expect them to change it *now* lol. I just thought that because you could switch HDMI 1/2/both outputs you could probably do the same with the OSD...just a future wish.

I get what you're saying re the 3808's video processing modes. I don't process my inputs on it, but yes I vaguely recall (now that you mention it) there is a RGB mode output setting. Totally forgot about that, haven't looked at it for years...thanks for the explanation. No problem anyway, I think the Kuros are the only displays that are recommended to use RGB, most should use component. I guess when the 3808 was designed they expected that Pio TVs would be sticking around a little longer...

Edit: I should say, in case anybody might get the wrong idea, that the X4000 can apparently *pass* source RGB unmolested, should you choose.

Further edit: If the X4000 has an RGB source, it outputs the RGB source and the menus properly. IOW it conforms to the incoming source video automatically for the menus. Smart, and makes sense since you're "overlaying". It is only when the X4000 has no video playing that it outputs the "fuzzy yellow on red" menus into a display set for RGB. For example, this occurs when you turn on a BDP (set for RGB) after the X4000 and (RGB) display are already on.

[For those reading, this is RGB over HDMI, not the old analog RGB.]
Edited by cfraser - 10/15/13 at 6:16pm
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I have a E-400, with Audyssey engaged, and I am getting some volume issues.

I have a 3.1 set-up with 2 STB/DVRs hooked up, 1 FIOS QIP 7232, 1 DirecTV HR-34(Genie).

Whenever i playback an archived show & use either FF, RW or pause and return to the program the audio is way below the
previous level. It takes a full second to return to the proper adjusted level. This is causing some wifey aggro.

I did not notice this the first day after running Audyssey on my device. So not sure why it's happening the 2nd day out.

Any ideas to what might be causing this? no lip-sync issues @ all btw. At the end of running Audyssey I selected "YES" for the "Dynamic Mult EQ"
Is this what is causing the issues? Can I turn it off to see if it has any impact or not? Is there a way to toggle it off from the remote itself or only in the set-up menu?
post #3004 of 6923
Thread Starter 
Sounds like Dynamic Volume is on? (I think that's what you mean by "Dynamic Mult EQ"??) Dynamic Volume is constantly modulating the content volume to keep things level, but when you initially "lock on" to an audio stream it takes a split second for it to "ramp up" to the modulated level.

Try turning Dynamic Volume off temporarily to see if that makes it go away.
post #3005 of 6923
Can I turn off Dynamic volume from the remote with a single button press?
Or just hit set-up button?

And if i disable that do i have to re-run Audyssey?

Thanks in adv.
Edited by leftyguitar1963 - 10/15/13 at 4:24pm
post #3006 of 6923
Thread Starter 
No, there are no longer buttons on the remote for Audyssey settings. You have to go into the Audio menu and adjust there.

Deactivating Dynamic Volume doesn't disable Audyssey.

Be aware that these Audyssey settings are memorized on a PER INPUT basis. So a change you make on the cable box will not affect your BDP input for example. If you selected "Yes" to the "Turn on Dynamic Volume?" prompt at the end of auto setup, then it will be on automatically for ALL inputs at the "Medium" setting.
post #3007 of 6923
I lost power this morning for a couple of hours and was able to confirm one of the issues I have listed in post #4 in that although the unit was in STANDBY, it reverted back to the original mfr settings, although the Audyssey settings remained in tact.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#post_23134212

Edit: Note that this incident is different from simply unplugging the power cord to to so soft reset, as the AVR should retain memory settings for at least 1-2 weeks when unplugged.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 10/19/13 at 11:07am
post #3008 of 6923
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

If you selected "Yes" to the "Turn on Dynamic Volume?" prompt at the end of auto setup, then it will be on automatically for ALL inputs at the "Medium" setting.

I did select "YES" on this @ end of set-up. So going forward, If I want to disable on all inputs, I have to select each one & turn it off. Or maybe it would just be easier to re-run Audyssey & say "NO" on "Dynamic Volume" then that feature is disabled on all inputs.
post #3009 of 6923
Since you only have to turn it off on 2 inputs it should take about a minute to do for both inputs. Much faster than re running Audyssey.
post #3010 of 6923
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Originally Posted by leftyguitar1963 View Post

Can I turn off Dynamic volume from the remote with a single button press?
Or just hit set-up button?

And if i disable that do i have to re-run Audyssey?

Thanks in adv.

Are you going to turn it OFF & be done with it? If not, the 3311 has a button for turning Dyn Eq/Vol On & Off. Perhaps that would work on your AVR & you could program a universal remote to the 3311?
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This may be a dumb question, but I would appreciate any input from those who are more knowledgeable. I guess I don't have to upgrade at the moment, but the X4000's look very nice. It would definitely help my sound coming from a Denon 1910, but am also wondering about the video up-converting. I have a JVC HD-250 projector that can output 1080p, but as an older model, it doesn't have any type of up-converting of its own. That means this feature of the X4000 would not help until I upgraded my display to a unit that does the same? Does that make sense, or am I incorrect?

Would the same apply to another component like an Oppo Blu-Ray player that also has up-converting capabilities?

Apologies if the last question is off topic, just thought it would help me understand in general. Thanks to anyone that can provide feedback and thoughts. smile.gif
post #3012 of 6923
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I have a JVC HD-250 projector that can output 1080p, but as an older model, it doesn't have any type of up-converting of its own. That means this feature of the X4000 would not help until I upgraded my display to a unit that does the same? Does that make sense, or am I incorrect?
You're right - you won't be able to take advantage of the AVR-X4000's 4K up-conversion, since the DLA-HD250 doesn't accept 4K input and, even if it did, it would down-convert it to its native, 1080p resolution.

BTW, I have an AVR-X4000 and a DLA-HD250. Great combo. smile.gif
post #3013 of 6923
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

I lost power this morning for a couple of hours and was able to confirm one of the issues I have listed in post #4 in that although the unit was in STANDBY, it reverted back to the original mfr settings, although the Audyssey settings remained in tact.

That is a pretty serious shortcoming. Several days or a couple weeks I could see, but a few hours? I forgot about your FAQ issues note on this and happened to remove power for a very short time from my X4000 a few times yesterday, when it was in Standby (for HDMI passthrough and IP on). It didn't lose any settings. I had a backup though, which brings me to:

I followed your instructions for Save/Load with Chrome. I could not get it to work reliably and consistently with IP on or off in Standby, with IE or Firefox. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. I think Denon needs to strengthen that a bit. Partly because of the settings thing. People hate doing backups in general, but they should heed your "warnings" JIC.
post #3014 of 6923
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

You're right - you won't be able to take advantage of the AVR-X4000's 4K up-conversion, since the DLA-HD250 doesn't accept 4K input and, even if it did, it would down-convert it to its native, 1080p resolution.

BTW, I have an AVR-X4000 and a DLA-HD250. Great combo. smile.gif

Thanks for the knowledge, makes sense. I guess I need to decide which parts of my system to upgrade and go from there.

Nice setup by the way! smile.gif
post #3015 of 6923
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyguitar1963 View Post

Can I turn off Dynamic volume from the remote with a single button press?
Or just hit set-up button?

And if i disable that do i have to re-run Audyssey?

Thanks in adv.

Are you going to turn it OFF & be done with it? If not, the 3311 has a button for turning Dyn Eq/Vol On & Off. Perhaps that would work on your AVR & you could program a universal remote to the 3311?

That is correct, I forgot to mention that. The codes still work, they just aren't on the factory remote. They work great with a programmable universal.
post #3016 of 6923
^^^learned that from you in the first place
post #3017 of 6923
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Originally Posted by matrix64015 View Post

Running X4000 & I am using a Denon AVR 988 as my external amp for 2 sets of speakers. One to run Front Wide, the other to give the X4000 a little more headroom. Set it up like this last month but after sending it to a service shop, cannot figure out exactly how it was all set up before. Here’s what I’ve done…

Ran set of RCA plugs from X4000 pre outs (using Front Wide & Rear Surround jacks) to 988’s Ext In (using Surround L/R & Front A jacks). And then speaker wire from front wides & rear surround goes to the corresponding speaker posts on the 988 (Front A & Surround L/R). Changed settings on 988 to zero all levels (except volume) & run it in Ext In. On the X4000 I changed Amp Assign to 9.1 & chose Front Wide as Main Pre Amps. Even set the Front Wide as on & + 2 on stage. But whenever I run Test Tone there is nothing from the Front Wides. Rear Surrounds are working fine. I tried changing Surround Sound field to ASX (with Wide) & still no go.

What am I missing here? Should I instead be amping the Side Surround on the set up because you cannot ext amp & run both Rear Surround & Front Wide in the 9.1 because you can only ext amp assign one OR the other? Is there something I missed setting up within the 988 menus?

Thanks guys!

As you are providing external power to the Rear Surrounds, there is no reason to change the Main Pre Amp setting from the factory default of Rear Surround. When in the 9.1 mode, you can use a mix of both internal amps and external amps so no issue there. Did you hear test tones when you reran Audyssey from the Front Wide speakers to ensure the Front Wides were selected?
post #3018 of 6923
Nope I did not rerun Audyssey after hooking them up! That may be the issue then. Pretty sure I ran it last time after I hooked them up. I sure hope that's the answer here.
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Router
Cisco WRT-100
Cisco E3200
Linksys BEFSX41
Netgear N600 3400v2
Netgear WNDR-3800
Netgear WNDR4500
Airport Extreme

Bridge (connected to AVR provides wireless connection to the home's wifi router)
Cisco WRT-54G
TRENDnet TEW-640MB
Airport Extreme
Airport Express
Linksys WET610N
Netgear WN2000RPT - 4 port
Netgear WN2500RP
D-Link DAP-1522

Other
Netgear XAVB5004 Powerline Network Adapter (4-port) (on AVR set Network Standby/IP Control to ON/Always ON)
D-Link Powerline Adapter
Belkin Video Link 3 (w/static IP)
D-Link 8-Port Gigabit Switch (DGS-1008G)
post #3020 of 6923
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

As you are providing external power to the Rear Surrounds, there is no reason to change the Main Pre Amp setting from the factory default of Rear Surround. When in the 9.1 mode, you can use a mix of both internal amps and external amps so no issue there. Did you hear test tones when you reran Audyssey from the Front Wide speakers to ensure the Front Wides were selected?
When i ran Audyssey it still isnt detecting the front wide speakers. I made sure they were in the setup menu. Any other suggestions?
post #3021 of 6923
Thread Starter 
As a test maybe try switching some wiring. For example run the wides straight off the X4000 and then just have rear surrounds on the other amp. You only have to run one position with audyssey to check speaker detection so it's quick to test.
post #3022 of 6923
That worked, thanks BP!
post #3023 of 6923
Hi all,

I'm new to the home theater world, but I am trying to learn as much as possible. I have a Denon AVR-X2000, Samsung UN65F7100, Dish Hopper with Sling, and 7.1 speaker system. Previously, I was having HDMI handshake issues (video/sound dropping out), but this cleared up when I disabled ARC/anynet+, as per recommendation of many of this forum. However, I am now having a small issue when turning on the system using a Logitech Ultimate remote. When the system starts, the sound input is PCM 2.0. When I change the channel, the Denon switches to Dolby digital on the next channel. When I switch back to the original channel, the input is Dolby Digital, rather than PCM. When I turn the Hopper on manually after letting the AVR and TV set-up, the input is Dolby Digital. Would this be a setting issue or handshake issue (or other, such as firmware)? On the Hopper, my audio settings are PCM/Dolby, sound leveling disabled, and Line (although I have tried all combinations). Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!
post #3024 of 6923
Thread Starter 
This sounds like an issue with the power-on order of your devices. The fact that it works normally when you turn the Dish on manually after the AVR/TV are on confirms this. What is likely happening is that the box is powering on first, before the AVR is fully active, and it is seeing the EDID info of the display and defaults to stereo (2.0 PCM) output.

If you can adjust the order of power on for your devices for the Watch TV activity, with the source powering on LAST, it will probably resolve the isue. You can also adjust the time delay settings for the AVR giving it an extra half or full second for the "Power On" delay, so the Dish box gets a bit of extra time before the remote sends the power command.
post #3025 of 6923
Can I use an Amp for my Denon X1000 to add more power speakers? Mainly my tower fronts.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013F1D3Y/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=1535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00026BQJ6&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1KDGSXAFXX93JFSKQAGR

Thanks, still a newb with all this HT stuff
post #3026 of 6923
Thread Starter 
No. The only model with main zone pre-amp outs is the X4000. The X1000 has Zone 2 outs but you cannot add a power amp for main zone speakers.
post #3027 of 6923
BP: I have several questions: I use HTPC (Intel i3 2100 with HD2000) to play movies from my collection (Bluray ISO as well as DVD ISO - TMT 6 player). HTPC is connected to the MediaPlayer port of X2000. Display device is Optoma HD131xe 3D DLP projector. Polk Audio RTi 5.1 system.

1. Should I set HTPC on RGB or YCrCb (Intel graphics control center will allow me to change)
2. Does it matter which HDMI port I am using on X2000?
3. If I have to take advantage of 1080p upconversion for DVDs, what are the recommended video settings? (in other words, will the video processor upconvert DVDs to 1080p as my HTPC does not do a great job at upconversion)
4. Will it be better to keep the video processing function turned on or off for Blurays? (I would prefer to see volume level on screen if possible). Which video mode is better in my setup (primarily for movies)
post #3028 of 6923
I'm probably missing something simple or making some dumb mistake but I haven't had any luck figuring this out so hopefully one of you friendly folks on the tubes can help. I recently got an X4000 and wired it for 7.0 (still looking for a sub) just to test it out. My issue is that I get no sound from my SBR or SBL speakers. I ran through the Audyssey speaker setup and can hear the tone test coming out of them. When I look at the speak config is says they are there.

The source is a Sony NSZ-GT1 and I've tried both Pacific Rim and ST Into Darkness. Both which seem to have audio options for 7.1 or 7.2. The display on the X4000 does NOT have SBR or SBL illuminated like it does the other speakers. I've only started playing around with the receiver so I don't have any thing else connected or zones configured.

Any thoughts?
Edited by callagp7552 - 10/18/13 at 1:10pm
post #3029 of 6923
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

This sounds like an issue with the power-on order of your devices. The fact that it works normally when you turn the Dish on manually after the AVR/TV are on confirms this. What is likely happening is that the box is powering on first, before the AVR is fully active, and it is seeing the EDID info of the display and defaults to stereo (2.0 PCM) output.

If you can adjust the order of power on for your devices for the Watch TV activity, with the source powering on LAST, it will probably resolve the isue. You can also adjust the time delay settings for the AVR giving it an extra half or full second for the "Power On" delay, so the Dish box gets a bit of extra time before the remote sends the power command.

Thanks, batpig. I agree with what you are saying regarding the timing, but actually the source does power on last. The problem is that the Harmony itself does not allow delaying of power-on...I've learnt that the "power on delay" setting simply delays the time before which the device accepts input. The harmony turns on all of the devices sequentially without much delay, so the AVR does not have time to adjust...I was hoping there was some other kind of setting that I could alter to deal with this problem. Of course, the alternate would be to ditch the Harmony (not ideal), but this problem only showed up recently, so I assumed it was some kind of firmware update from one of the devices that caused it.

Thank you.
post #3030 of 6923
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Originally Posted by callagp7552 View Post

I'm probably missing something simple or making some dumb mistake but I haven't had any luck figuring this out so hopefully one of you friendly folks on the tubes can help. I recently got an X4000 and wired it for 7.0 (still looking for a sub) just to test it out. My issue is that I get no sound from my SBR or SBL speakers. I ran through the Audyssey speaker setup and can hear the tone test coming out of them. When I look at the speak config is says they are there.

The source is a Sony NSZ-GT1 and I've tried both Pacific Rim and ST Into Darkness. Both which seem to have audio options for 7.1 or 7.2. The display on the X4000 does NOT have SBR or SBL illuminated like it does the other speakers. I've only started playing around with the receiver so I don't have any thing else connected or zones configured.

Any thoughts?

Ensure the AMP ASSIGN mode is set to 7.1 and not the default of 5.1/Zone 2. Press/hold the MOVIE button on the remote and ensure that either DD PLIIx or DTS Neo:X is selected.
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