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post #511 of 6897
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

There are ways. You can teach the Harmony the "Power ON/OFF" command from your Denon remote, but this isn't a discrete command (it's an on/off toggle) so that may cause issues where if you press the HELP button to fix something else the receiver will turn back off. I'm sure there is a new discrete ON/OFF command for main zone that can be converted to hex and hacked into your Harmony.

The easiest way though is to use an input command as a proxy for Power ON. The receiver will turn on if it receives an input command signal (e.g. Input DVD) so you can just set that for Power ON under the device settings.

I looked around my Harmony setup page, and couldn't quite figure out what you're suggesting. Over my head I guess. Thanks.
post #512 of 6897
Thread Starter 
In the settings for the device there should be an option for adjusting power settings.
post #513 of 6897
I went back into my Harmony set up and removed the "Denon AVR-X1000" device that was in the database, and I then added "Denon X1000". It of course couldn't find that exact device, so I then was able to teach the 650 all of the functions that I needed, including the power on/off that only turns on the main zone, and everything works great now. Maybe not the correct way, but it was the only way I could think of.............Thanks for your help!
Edited by D Bone - 5/23/13 at 4:27pm
post #514 of 6897
Well WhatHiFi! liked the AVR-X2000 5 stars

AVR-X2000
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Denon AVR-X2000 review: verdict
Denon AV receivers haven’t ruled the roost for a while at this price, but with the AVR-X2000 it has an excellent chance. This amp might not tick every single specification box, although we’d wager that the majority of people will be more than happy, but in terms of performance – and most pertinently, simple sound quality – it ticks all our boxes and then some.
post #515 of 6897
Hi All,

Guys, I will probably be buying within a couple of days but have had to cut back on the budget sadly so the X4000 is out. I am not too savvy about these things so please bear with me! I am now trying hard to decide between the Denon X3000 & Onkyo TX-NR818 but am really struggling to be honest deciding.

Can anyone kindly give me some guidance as to the pro's & con's of each & which might be better? Which has the more & better features as well as best options? I ask as I will plan to keep it for a while & am wish to best protect against redundancy or missing out on desirable/much preferred options and/or essential features.

Thank You,
Bazzy!
post #516 of 6897
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Originally Posted by Bazzy View Post

Hi All,

Guys, I will probably be buying within a couple of days but have had to cut back on the budget sadly so the X4000 is out. I am not too savvy about these things so please bear with me! I am now trying hard to decide between the Denon X3000 & Onkyo TX-NR818 but am really struggling to be honest deciding.

Can anyone kindly give me some guidance as to the pro's & con's of each & which might be better? Which has the more & better features as well as best options? I ask as I will plan to keep it for a while & am wish to best protect against redundancy or missing out on desirable/much preferred options and/or essential features.

Thank You,
Bazzy!

You need to identify exactly what you want it to do and possibly do in the future. Just simply run a 5.1 setup? Do you want to power another zone like the back patio, kitchen? What do you want out of it?

And your budget of course
post #517 of 6897
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

You need to identify exactly what you want it to do and possibly do in the future. Just simply run a 5.1 setup? Do you want to power another zone like the back patio, kitchen? What do you want out of it?

And your budget of course

Hi,

A bit of a tough question for a novice tbh but I do want both DSX & Neo:X & the option to try both Wides or Heights & preferably both at the same time. I believe the 818 can expand to 9.2 but not sure if even that will allow both wides & heights together. I will only use on one room so no need for other zones.

I use Apple so some sort of reliable compatibility would be really nice. Wireless streaming would be great as well. Other than that, I am hoping for the best future proofing & best features so I will not potentially be missing out or have redundant features for at least a few years if that makes sense?

The 818 can be had for £599 now & the X3000 is £799 in the UK which is sort of my budget at the moment.

Thank You,
Bazzy!
post #518 of 6897
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Originally Posted by D Bone View Post

I went back into my Harmony set up and removed the "Denon AVR-X1000" device that was in the database, and I then added "Denon X1000". It of course couldn't find that exact device, so I then was able to teach the 650 all of the functions that I needed, including the power on/off that only turns on the main zone, and everything works great now. Maybe not the correct way, but it was the only way I could think of.............Thanks for your help!

I found there isn't an AVR-X3000 in the Harmony database, but an "AVR-3000" so I tried that. I've had to learn all the zone specific input buttons, and even the Back button. I probably would have been better off starting from scratch.

But I am certainly going to miss the discrete power off command - hopefully this all gets corrected in the future.

Edit: The discrete Power Off in the Harmony database works fine - it was user error (lol). I just don't have a discrete Power On for Z1 or Z2 - but it's pretty much unnecessary to have those since the Z1/Z2 discrete input change codes will turn the receiver on.

For the Harmony, it almost makes sense to treat Z1 and Z2 as two separate receivers, so it knows how to turn zones off when switching activities. Maybe I'll try that in the future.
Edited by Baxter - 5/24/13 at 1:41pm
post #519 of 6897
Newegg has the take classic 5.1 for 299.99! That a great deal right? Its good timing because I think im going to pull the trigger on the X1000.
post #520 of 6897
Thread Starter 
I wouldn't call it a "great" deal, it's a pretty standard sale price for this set. It's certainly a solid deal if you want a nice quality, small speaker "starter" 5.1 setup.
post #521 of 6897
So just ordered the x1000, my question is I have infinity primus 363 towers, which are technically 4 ohms, and the reciever is rated 6-16 if I am not mistaken

I do host some college parties were music can get loud, will this be an issue for the new X series amp?

As a side note.

Currently NOT crossed with a sub, but will be within a month or two when my budget can allow for it
post #522 of 6897
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Originally Posted by SLIDEx View Post

So just ordered the x1000, my question is I have infinity primus 363 towers, which are technically 4 ohms, and the reciever is rated 6-16 if I am not mistaken

I do host some college parties were music can get loud, will this be an issue for the new X series amp?

As a side note.

Currently NOT crossed with a sub, but will be within a month or two when my budget can allow for it
The Infinity primus 363 are still rated at 8 ohm, sensitivity 93 dB, shouldn't be a issue with a 80 watt amp achieving fairly loud volume levels.
post #523 of 6897
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I wouldn't call it a "great" deal, it's a pretty standard sale price for this set. It's certainly a solid deal if you want a nice quality, small speaker "starter" 5.1 setup.
Everywhere I looked were at least 75-100 more so I thought that was a decent bargain.
What would be a set up from the take classics??
post #524 of 6897
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SLIDEx View Post

So just ordered the x1000, my question is I have infinity primus 363 towers, which are technically 4 ohms, and the reciever is rated 6-16 if I am not mistaken

I do host some college parties were music can get loud, will this be an issue for the new X series amp?

As a side note.

Currently NOT crossed with a sub, but will be within a month or two when my budget can allow for it

They are pretty sensitive speakers and can play pretty loud without a lot of power. I think you'll be fine. But use common sense -- if you hear a lot of distortion/compression then back off a bit.

The thing to keep in mind is that power demands are logarithmic/exponential -- a 10dB increase in SPL requires 10x the power. So you can be humming along just fine, and then crank it up and quickly exceed the receiver's limits. For example, these are approximately 90dB sensitivity speakers. Subtract a bit for distance, let's call it 85dB... you are blasting music at 95dB, that will only take about 10 watts per channel after distance is taken into account. The drinks start flowing, somebody yells "turn it up!" and you crank it a bit further, maybe another 5dB, so you are using about 40 watts per channel. Everything is still hunky dory. Now somebody goes up and cranks it up another 10dB to the max, all of a sudden you need FOUR HUNDRED watts/channel. The receiver starts clipping, the tweeters get blown, party over.

The point here is not to scare you, but to impress upon you that (1) using common sense is appropriate as the power demands can scale up really quickly... basically, you are just fine until suddenly you are way not fine; and (2) stepping up to a different model wouldn't make a difference. So basically you shouldn't second-guess the X1000, because it's not like an extra 20-30 watts in an X2000 or X3000 would make the difference if things get pushed too far.

When you do get the subwoofer, that will help a lot.
post #525 of 6897
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Originally Posted by helvetica bold View Post

Newegg has the take classic 5.1 for 299.99! That a great deal right? Its good timing because I think im going to pull the trigger on the X1000.

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Originally Posted by helvetica bold View Post

Everywhere I looked were at least 75-100 more so I thought that was a decent bargain.
What would be a set up from the take classics??

I think that is about as good as it gets for that particular set. Here's a thread on that deal on slickdeals.net.
post #526 of 6897
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

The Infinity primus 363 are still rated at 8 ohm, sensitivity 93 dB, shouldn't be a issue with a 80 watt amp achieving fairly loud volume levels.

I'm betting he found this review, which I did too when I googled them: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/primus-p363/primus-p363-measurements

The reviewer's measurements indicate that HK/Infinity is being pretty generous with those specs, and he would consider them to be more like 4 ohm / 90dB sensitivity.
post #527 of 6897
Well I got my x2000 today and it sounds great. Crutchfield forgot to include the remote with it though mad.gif I am controlling it with the ipad but is there anyway to find out what the ip address is or get into any menus without it? I guess I could scan my network and find its ip but I was so excited to tinker with every setting and now I am stuck with just the app until they sent me a remote.
post #528 of 6897
Since they forgot your remote, seems they also forgot to mention they were sending an open box unit.
post #529 of 6897
The receiver uses DHCP, asking your router for the next available unused address. You might try accessing your network router, checking the network addresses which it has allocated. One of them is the receiver.
post #530 of 6897
Thread Starter 
Note that the app has a cursor function with a directional arrow pad and setup / back buttons so you can navigate the menus fully without the remote.



That said I would call up crutchfield and demand the remote for sure.

Are you SURE the remote is missing? Did you check the styrofoam inserts, there is a little space for the remote. Maybe you missed it?
Edited by batpig - 5/24/13 at 12:45pm
post #531 of 6897
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Originally Posted by webbj24 View Post

Well I got my x2000 today and it sounds great. Crutchfield forgot to include the remote with it though mad.gif I am controlling it with the ipad but is there anyway to find out what the ip address is or get into any menus without it? I guess I could scan my network and find its ip but I was so excited to tinker with every setting and now I am stuck with just the app until they sent me a remote.

How exactly do they "forget" to include a remote? You got an open box unit.
post #532 of 6897
Yes sorry for the confusion I did buy an open box model
post #533 of 6897
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I'm betting he found this review, which I did too when I googled them: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/primus-p363/primus-p363-measurements

The reviewer's measurements indicate that HK/Infinity is being pretty generous with those specs, and he would consider them to be more like 4 ohm / 90dB sensitivity.
The key word is "nominal" smile.gif

"Like any budget-minded speaker, compromises are always made in order to hit a certain price point. "

Isn't that the truth! biggrin.gif
post #534 of 6897
So I finally got my X4000 and spent the better of two hours setting it up (moving around units and rewiring/cabling). Turn it on. Snap, crackle, pop smoke come out on both sides. eek.gif Bummer. Everything seems to be working, so I start to set it up. I get to running the Audyssey and the only speakers it detects are the ones running from my XPA-1. It seems the speaker outputs have fried. I hooked up the rest of the speakers to the amp and am running the X4000 as a pre for now.

I also noticed that the 12V trigger isn't turning on the amp either. Could that have been the cause. I also noticed that Audyssey said it detected three of my speakers as out of phase. I know they are wired correctly and double checked. My 818 didn't do this with the same hook up. Is there a reason why it's doing this? I just skipped it, and it sound very nice. I actually think the X4000 has a bit more details coming out of the CC than the 818 did.

How did everyone set up their amped zones during the speaker set up? I have it at 5.1 Zone 2/3 and it won't let me use the preview function (seeing what else is on the other outputs). Oh well, gotta wait till Monday to get in touch with Crutchfield for a replacement. I'm going to see if they are willing to send me a new unit with express shipping (live in Hawaii, and this one took eight days to get to me). If not, I'll just have to wait till Amazon gets them in stock, or look for the Pio 1522.

Oh, and a bit later on in the day my imac goes kaput. The irony, I was downloading the X4000 manual when it went kaput.biggrin.gif A bit of an expensive day for electronics in my household.cool.gif
post #535 of 6897
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Originally Posted by grpape View Post

So I finally got my X4000 and spent the better of two hours setting it up (moving around units and rewiring/cabling). Turn it on. Snap, crackle, pop smoke come out on both sides. eek.gif Bummer. Everything seems to be working, so I start to set it up. I get to running the Audyssey and the only speakers it detects are the ones running from my XPA-1. It seems the speaker outputs have fried. I hooked up the rest of the speakers to the amp and am running the X4000 as a pre for now.

I also noticed that the 12V trigger isn't turning on the amp either. Could that have been the cause. I also noticed that Audyssey said it detected three of my speakers as out of phase. I know they are wired correctly and double checked. My 818 didn't do this with the same hook up. Is there a reason why it's doing this? I just skipped it, and it sound very nice. I actually think the X4000 has a bit more details coming out of the CC than the 818 did.

How did everyone set up their amped zones during the speaker set up? I have it at 5.1 Zone 2/3 and it won't let me use the preview function (seeing what else is on the other outputs). Oh well, gotta wait till Monday to get in touch with Crutchfield for a replacement. I'm going to see if they are willing to send me a new unit with express shipping (live in Hawaii, and this one took eight days to get to me). If not, I'll just have to wait till Amazon gets them in stock, or look for the Pio 1522.

Oh, and a bit later on in the day my imac goes kaput. The irony, I was downloading the X4000 manual when it went kaput.biggrin.gif A bit of an expensive day for electronics in my household.cool.gif
Not a good day in paradise! eek.gif

I do find it very unusual that two devices went kaput? cool.gif
post #536 of 6897
Denon AVR-X4000 Review by avlanduk May 25th, 2013


A fairly comprehensive look at this new receiver.
post #537 of 6897
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Denon AVR-X4000 Review by avlanduk May 25th, 2013

A fairly comprehensive look at this new receiver.

Not sure what to think of him...he recommends to set bookshelf speakers to large. eek.gif
post #538 of 6897
^^^ Decent, comprehensive review of the x4000. Does anyone have any clue of the App he mentioned in the review? It looked way more interesting than any other app I've seen.
Sounded like he said "MyAV" but I couldn't find anything in the Apple App Store similar or related to that.
post #539 of 6897
^^^ Same here, thought it was MyAV, tried that too and came up empty handed
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Originally Posted by cwglideman View Post

^^^ Decent, comprehensive review of the x4000. Does anyone have any clue of the App he mentioned in the review? It looked way more interesting than any other app I've seen.
Sounded like he said "MyAV" but I couldn't find anything in the Apple App Store similar or related to that.
Says on AVLand link on AVR-X4000: Works with MyAV home control. He said it is in development.
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