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post #871 of 6966
I am inbetween the X1000 and X2000. I don't need 7.1 right now, but I am wondering if the extra power will be beneficial given that my speakers are 6ohm?

Also, would there be an issue in not having 1080P upscaling for HD Digital Cable, or would my TV be able to handle to upscaling from 720P to 1080P?
post #872 of 6966
Thread Starter 
No, there is no "extra power" really at all.

All 1080p displays will natively scale to 1080p in order to display the picture properly. That's not a feature I would lose sleep over. I think the X1000 is a super value for someone who only needs 5.1. It has all the "core" features you want -- networking, 3-year warranty, MultEQ XT for great sound quality -- and eliminates some more "niche" features like analog>digital video conversion, video scaling, more complex multizone, etc.
post #873 of 6966
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

No, there is no "extra power" really at all.

All 1080p displays will natively scale to 1080p in order to display the picture properly. That's not a feature I would lose sleep over. I think the X1000 is a super value for someone who only needs 5.1. It has all the "core" features you want -- networking, 3-year warranty, MultEQ XT for great sound quality -- and eliminates some more "niche" features like analog>digital video conversion, video scaling, more complex multizone, etc.

Thanks, I think the X1000 will be my choice, let's hope Best Buy will match the price online of $419 rolleyes.gif
post #874 of 6966
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

^ OT: I just noticed you have 35,000 posts. That's nearly 600 a month for the last 5+ years.

Unbelievable.

James

Thanks for that, I for one appreciate it smile.gif
post #875 of 6966
X3000/X4000 Firmware Update

Post #6 has been updated with the change log for the latest firmware update for the X3000 and X4000.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#post_23134215
post #876 of 6966
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I think you're wrong. I can definitely control Zone 2/3 source AND volume from the unit on my X4000. What model do you have? I just push the Zone 2/3 Source button and then the volume control controls the respective zone.

batpig, I have the 2313. If they corrected this functionality on the newer models that is good news for you guys.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If you are referring to the 2313CI, first note you are posting in the Denon AVR-E/X models thread vice the Denon AVR-XX13 Owner's thread. Secondly, if you refer to p. 96 in your Owner's manual, you'll note that you can turn Zone 2 ON as well as adjust the Zone 2 volume using the "Zone 2 ON/OFF" button and Master Volume dial.

You are correct jdsmoothie, I have the 2313 and yes I accidently posted my question in the wrong thread. I had been browsing the AVR-XX13 thread earlier. My apologizes. I have read my manual, "Turn MASTER VOLUME after pressing ZONE2 ON/OFF on the main unit to adjust the sound volume". However that functionality for Zone 2 volume control on the receiver does not work on my unit. Additionally, even if it did work that way I would be limited to only changing the volume when initially starting zone 2. This is a limitation that causes a lot of frustration in my household.
post #877 of 6966
^^
Reposted to the XX13 Owner's thread for feedback from other XX13 Owners ...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1409431/the-official-denon-avr-xx13-model-owners-thread-faq/8300_100#post_23455448
post #878 of 6966
Hi all-

Searching didn't seem to turn up this exact specification, so apologies if this has been asked to death. It appears that ALL ZONE STEREO will output AirPlay to all zones on the AVR-X4000, but I would like to confirm that I can distribute AirPlay to any zone. I'm a current owner of an AVR-4311CI and it lacks the ability to output AirPlay to anything but the main zone, and this is the primary reason I'd consider upgraing.

Thanks in advance for confirmation!

Best,
Darren
post #879 of 6966
Note that Airplay can play to Zone 2 on the 4311CI but to do so it must also be selected in the main zone as well unlike the XX13 and E/X models that can play Airplay independently to Zone 2 with another source playing in the main zone. Although you would likely be better served simply purchasing and Apple TV which would not only allow you to play Airplay independently to Zone 2 but video as well.
post #880 of 6966
Thread Starter 
The new models do have a nice advantage as well in that they can play AirPlay to zone 2/3 while main zone is powered off. On the xx13 models if you powered off main zone it would kill the AirPlay stream. On my X4000 that is no longer the case.
post #881 of 6966
What are the important upgrades in E400 compared to 1913? Do i miss something important if I get AVR1913 instead of E400 and save $30.
Thanks.
post #882 of 6966
Thread Starter 
Did you read the first few posts of this thread?
post #883 of 6966
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Did you read the first few posts of this thread?
Checked it out in the main page. Looks like, all party zone, 4k scaling and AM radio tuner are the main difference. Is there any difference between MultiEQ functionality
between these two.
post #884 of 6966
Hey guys. Just got an AVR X-1000. Having some issues.

1) Networking aspect of the receiver doesn't seem to work very well. It's not able to find most of my FLAC and other lossless music (despite supposedly having the support). Functionality seems vague and difficult to troubleshoot.

2) When I try to plug in a USB device (tried 8gb and 30gb flash drives), my receiver just says "Please Wait....." until I unplug the drive, and then it will freeze for 30 seconds and say "Connection Not Found".

I'm just trying to play a collection of lossless music. Any help?
post #885 of 6966
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Originally Posted by t1337Dude View Post

Hey guys. Just got an AVR X-1000. Having some issues.

1) Networking aspect of the receiver doesn't seem to work very well. It's not able to find most of my FLAC and other lossless music (despite supposedly having the support). Functionality seems vague and difficult to troubleshoot.

I'm just trying to play a collection of lossless music. Any help?

What server are you using? Try something like asset upnp, its free. Finds all my FlAC to my 3313 and 2113 with no issues.
post #886 of 6966
Specifically to those who have upgraded from the 3313 to the x4000 is there a very noticeable improvement in SQ? The XT32, video select etc.. are nice features to have but not enough in there own right to justify the $$$ upgrade. From what I've been reading the new models do show some improvement. I'm just trying to get opinion on whether it is a "leap" in quality, just a bit better or hardly worth mentioning.
post #887 of 6966
Almost without exception, those that have upgraded from an XT model to XT32 have indicated a much more pronounced improvement in audio fidelity/center channel dialogue than when going from MultEQ to XT. This would be expected considering the difference noted on the Audyssey table below ....


Edited by jdsmoothie - 6/23/13 at 1:50am
post #888 of 6966
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Originally Posted by t1337Dude View Post

Hey guys. Just got an AVR X-1000. Having some issues.

1) Networking aspect of the receiver doesn't seem to work very well. It's not able to find most of my FLAC and other lossless music (despite supposedly having the support). Functionality seems vague and difficult to troubleshoot.

2) When I try to plug in a USB device (tried 8gb and 30gb flash drives), my receiver just says "Please Wait....." until I unplug the drive, and then it will freeze for 30 seconds and say "Connection Not Found".

I'm just trying to play a collection of lossless music. Any help?

1. Is it 2CH audio?
2. Is it 2CH audio? Have the drives been fully formatted rather than using the "quick" format?
post #889 of 6966
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Originally Posted by ritholtz View Post

Checked it out in the main page. Looks like, all party zone, 4k scaling and AM radio tuner are the main difference. Is there any difference between MultiEQ functionality between these two.

Nope. The only difference in MultEQ going from the XX13 model to its E/X successor model is with the 3313CI (XT) to X4000 (XT32).
post #890 of 6966
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Almost without exception, those that have upgraded from an XT model to XT32 have indicated a much more pronounced improvement in audio fidelity/center channel dialogue than when going from MultEQ to XT. This would be expected considering the difference noted on the Audyssey table below ....


I take the point that the XT32 is better than the XT. But if you dont have issues with room correction how much better are you really off?

I was more leaning towards whether the amp in its own right was better this year. Better components etc... leading to better SQ.
post #891 of 6966
No issues with room correction? How? Do you have room treatment panels placed throughout the room? Regardless, you would still likely notice a difference. With of the exception of going from the 3310(MultEQ) to the 3311(MultEQ XT), since then there has been no real solid reason to upgrade from the previous year's 331X model. However, with the addition of Audyssey XT32, Sub EQ HT, Audyssey LFC, Neo:X for up to 9.1, the capability to expand to 9.1, All Zone Stereo, HDMI/optical/digital coax (PCM 2.0) to Zones 2/3, and independent Airplay to Zones 2/3 with the main zone being off, there is a much stronger reason to upgrade to the X4000.
post #892 of 6966
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

No issues with room correction? How? Do you have room treatment panels placed throughout the room?

Well no. But SQ from amps to me is not really simply about audyssey, some of the time i switch off. It is fundamentally about components. If you are saying that the sound quality is better simply because it has a superior form of room correction then that is not really what I am looking for. I did think that they had upgraded some of the hardware on this years model. But I'm not sure.
post #893 of 6966
AFAIK, generally the same components are used across all models (except the lowest model), none of which have changed from last year. The improvement will be primarily due to the upgrade to XT32.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 6/23/13 at 3:47am
post #894 of 6966
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

AFAIK, generally the same components are used across all models (except the lowest model), none of which have changed from last year. The improvement will be primarily due to the upgrade to XT32.

I made a trip to BB and I liked the sound of the Marantz better than the Denon. Do you think XT32 would be enough of a change when in the house to sway a person in effect to equal out the differences in sound between the Denon and Marantz?
post #895 of 6966
Coming from a pioneer 1022 and upgrading to a Denon 3313 I was pleasantly suprised. Probably due to Audyssey vs MCACC. However as the weeks have gone on listening to my 3313 I have decided to upgrade to the 4000. Audio sounded good but here were points where I just felt the center channel was flat. I also have two subs and while the 3313 can handle two subs I felt the addition of Sub EQ HT would increase their performance. I am also a firm believer in reducing variables that could be contributing to poor sound and in this case I have heard nothing but great things about the difference between XT and XT 32. I will upgrade and really get down to treating my room slowly to make sure I am gettig the best I can afford right now.

I can type up my thoughts later today once I have it in and calibrated. I'm not looking for massive improvements but I expect to hear a decent improvement in audio quality. Not to mention now I can set up a 9.2 system when I am ready.
post #896 of 6966
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

No issues with room correction? How? Do you have room treatment panels placed throughout the room? Regardless, you would still likely notice a difference. With of the exception of going from the 3310(MultEQ) to the 3311(MultEQ XT), since then there has been no real solid reason to upgrade from the previous year's 331X model. However, with the addition of Audyssey XT32, Sub EQ HT, Audyssey LFC, Neo:X for up to 9.1, the capability to expand to 9.1, All Zone Stereo, HDMI/optical/digital coax (PCM 2.0) to Zones 2/3, and independent Airplay to Zones 2/3 with the main zone being off, there is a much stronger reason to upgrade to the X4000.
The output spec's went up from 2809 (115 watts/ch) -> 3310 (120 watts/ch) -> 3311 (125 watts/ch) but since that model, Denon has been very lax making any substantial amp improvements in what is now the 2nd unit from the top. Almost like just optimizing a specific amp design only. The 2809 had MultEQ XT, so the 3310 was networked, and bumped 5 watts a channel, but they removed XT, the 3311 was the last big change (amp wise), before the x4000 came out and added better DSP's so it could do MultiEQ XT32.

Did we ever verify any change of DAC used in the the x4000, or is it using the same DAC's as 3313CI? The big improvements seem all outside the amp's, more connectivity, the GUI, better DSP, XT32. From personal observation the x4000s look very nice, not terribly hot on top unless you have poor ventilation/placement when looking at two units in stores. Front lid is not as high quality as past models, now plastic/metal.

I keep looking for users comments on the x4000 but there are still no real opinions. Not looking at AVland, or audioholics as real reviews, more like a gloss over. smile.gif
Edited by JohnAV - 6/23/13 at 10:10am
post #897 of 6966
I'm getting my 4000 setup Tuesday, but I anticipate any of my gleeful comments to be based on the extra room correction and not the extra power since I've never watched anything near reference in a decade.

Thanks again John for pointing this model out to me.
post #898 of 6966
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

AFAIK, there is no way to get rid of the MUTE icon other than turning off all text display all together or possibly setting Video Conversion (p. 146 OM) to OFF.
....


Thanks for the info!

For the record, I've tried turning off all video conversion and processing and the on-screen-displays but the mute icon is still there. It is a persistent little bugger. For now I'm just going with turning the main zone off.
post #899 of 6966
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

The output spec's went up from 2809 (115 watts/ch) -> 3310 (120 watts/ch) -> 3311 (125 watts/ch) but since that model, Denon has been very lax making any substantial amp improvements in what is now the 2nd unit from the top. Almost like just optimizing a specific amp design only. The 2809 had MultEQ XT, so the 3310 was networked, and bumped 5 watts a channel, but they removed XT, the 3311 was the last big change (amp wise), before the x4000 came out and added better DSP's so it could do MultiEQ XT32.

Did we ever verify any change of DAC used in the the x4000, or is it using the same DAC's as 3313CI? The big improvements seem all outside the amp's, more connectivity, the GUI, better DSP, XT32. From personal observation the x4000s look very nice, not terribly hot on top unless you have poor ventilation/placement when looking at two units in stores. Front lid is not as high quality as past models, now plastic/metal.

I keep looking for users comments on the x4000 but there are still no real opinions. Not looking at AVland, or audioholics as real reviews, more like a gloss over. smile.gif

Guess you've missed the member reviews in this thread to include batpig's own personal review of his X4000?
post #900 of 6966
hello

Quick question. I connection my Acer table to usb port on front of denon avr.
My problem is that that tv read no connection. any thought on this?

thanks
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