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Originally Posted by Nighthawk68 View Post

The MARANTZ 7008 has a few bonuses over the DENON 4000


  • 9 AMP channels, with 11.2 capable processing, Denon is 7 Amps with 9.2 capable processing.
  • 3rd Component video input
  • 7.1 Analog input
  • Beefier Power Supply
  • M-X Port (Bluetooth)

FYI
Ed

Thanks Ed. So it sounds like the SR7008 is sort of positioned in between the X4000 and 4520CI. I hadn't looked at it closely but it's good that Marantz finally added XT32 and 9 amp channels to their "flagship" receiver.... previously the 7005 et al were pretty underspec'd compared to the 4311.

I do find it kind of curious that the SR7008 is only spec'd at 27lbs, 9oz. That's barely more than the X4000, despite the Marantz being physically larger (deeper, taller) and having 9 amps. And looking at the back the X4000 power supply spec is 670W vs. only 710W for the SR7008. I would think it would be rated higher, and weigh a few pounds more, all things considered.
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^^^

It also looks like the Marantz SR7008 also features proprietary "HDAM" circuitry for whatever that might be worth! confused.gif

...Glenn smile.gif
post #933 of 6988
I suspect this part of the discussion belongs in the Marantz thread:
When looking through the 7008's manual, I can't find any mention of being able to run 11 channels simultaneously. In fact, on page 30 it explicitly states that "Sound cannot be played simultaneously from all of the surround back, front height and front wide speakers." There's no qualification for when using external amps on page 30 or on page 38 where it shows how to connect external amps.
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How does one determine the date of manufacture from the X4000 serial number? confused.gif

I once read a post on how to decipher the serial number but I can not find it!



...Glenn smile.gif
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post #936 of 6988
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Originally Posted by Nighthawk68 View Post

The MARANTZ 7008 has a few bonuses over the DENON 4000


  • 9 AMP channels, with 11.2 capable processing, Denon is 7 Amps with 9.2 capable processing.
  • 3rd Component video input
  • 7.1 Analog input
  • Beefier Power Supply
  • M-X Port (Bluetooth)

FYI
Ed

Both models are only capable of a max of 9.2 processing.
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Thanks JDS! biggrin.gif


...Glenn smile.gif
post #938 of 6988
Hey Glenn, I get mine today. Any reason I'd want to know the date of manufacture? thanks!
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Hey Glenn, I get mine today. Any reason I'd want to know the date of manufacture? thanks!

To know warranty info is one reason
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Hey Glenn, I get mine today. Any reason I'd want to know the date of manufacture? thanks!

It is good to know; however only helps when there is a major issue with the first release of units (so new buyers get one after that mfr period if the issue has not been immediately resolved with a firmware update) which is not the case at this point. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by mmcxiiad View Post

To know warranty info is one reason

The warranty is based on your "date of purchase" not on the mfr date.
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ooo good to know. Scarier question than I anticipated!
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Hey Glenn, I get mine today. Any reason I'd want to know the date of manufacture? thanks!

mo,

No particular reason! I was just curious as to how I can check to see when my unit was born in the model run.

Do not worry, as there does not seem to be any serial number range specific issues with the X4000 that I have heard of to date! wink.gif

As a matter of fact, from what I have seen so far the X4000 seems to be pretty bug free! (as I knock heartily on my wooden table) eek.gif


Hope you enjoy your new toy! biggrin.gif


...Glenn smile.gif
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Originally Posted by mmcxiiad View Post

To know warranty info is one reason


I have PM'ed you the info you were looking for!


...Glenn smile.gif
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just pulled the trigger on the x4000. should be here in a few days.

to say I am excited is an understatement
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Originally Posted by mmcxiiad View Post

just pulled the trigger on the x4000. should be here in a few days.

to say I am excited is an understatement

What are you upgrading from?
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thanks Glenn - very good to hear!



I think we are going to be some seriously happy people this weekend! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

What are you upgrading from?

I had a Denon 4311 that I sold a while back and downgraded to my old denon 3808 that was gathering dust. I was saving up a bit to get something better. recently it developed an issue that has accelerated my timetable. I had been leaning towards separates, but in the end the x4000 was a better fit.
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Originally Posted by mmcxiiad View Post

I had a Denon 4311 that I sold a while back and downgraded to my old denon 3808 that was gathering dust. I was saving up a bit to get something better. recently it developed an issue that has accelerated my timetable. I had been leaning towards separates, but in the end the x4000 was a better fit.

You'll love the XT32. And regarding separates, that's the beauty of the X4000's pre-outs. You can add an amp later if you want. I'm using an XPA-5 and it's awesome. Do I really need it? Don't know, too lazy to hook my speakers up to the built in amps on the X4000.
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

You'll love the XT32. And regarding separates, that's the beauty of the X4000's pre-outs. You can add an amp later if you want. I'm using an XPA-5 and it's awesome. Do I really need it? Don't know, too lazy to hook my speakers up to the built in amps on the X4000.




"Don't know, too lazy to hook my speakers up to the built in amps on the X4000."


You funny! tongue.gif




...Glenn smile.gif
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

thanks Glenn - very good to hear!



I think we are going to be some seriously happy people this weekend! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif


Yeah, I hear ya!... Iv'e been hangin' round these parts for a bit now and I also just joined the luv fest and pulled the trigger on an X4000! biggrin.gif

Hope to have it up and runnin' in a day or two!

Here's wishing us all luck and much joy from our new venture!

Also, god bless batpig, jdsmoothie and others for giving us the awesome Denon support... I'm sure I will now have some real questions now that I have officially joined the "X" club! wink.gif

Wow, I really like the sound of that.... The "X" Club! cool.gif


...Glenn smile.gif
Edited by Glenn Baumann - 6/25/13 at 4:23pm
post #952 of 6988
Loving my X4000. Coming from a Pioneer 1021 it is a huge upgrade. I had originally purchased a 3313 as it was on huge discount but decided to step up to the X4000. I will be eventually putting together a 9.2 system, currently running 7.2. I also have plans for a XPA-5 soon but one thing at a time. Loving the sound quality and Audyssey has done wonders for my room thus far. Add me to the list of very pleased customers.
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Originally Posted by sutton8 View Post

What server are you using? Try something like asset upnp, its free. Finds all my FlAC to my 3313 and 2113 with no issues.
Thanks. Asset upnp seems to work a lot better. Still, it doesn't detect all my FLAC and music files. Most, but not all. frown.gif

Since I'm a lot closer to getting the network side of the receiver figured out, I guess I won't need to fiddle around with the USB functionality.

As for the other aspects of the receiver - I'm loving it. The X1000 sounds a lot better than my Onkyo 607. It's almost a night and day difference. My bass levels sound a lot more layered and neutral. Voice clarity seems much improved as well. All I have to do now is hope it lasts! I have one question though - I only made 3 calibration points because I only have 3 sitting positions on my couch. Is there any benefit from adding additional calibration points inbetween the sitting positions I already have (so I have the 6-8 that I'm supposed to have)?
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Originally Posted by t1337Dude View Post

Thanks. Asset upnp seems to work a lot better. Still, it doesn't detect all my FLAC and music files. Most, but not all. frown.gif

Since I'm a lot closer to getting the network side of the receiver figured out, I guess I won't need to fiddle around with the USB functionality.

As for the other aspects of the receiver - I'm loving it. The X1000 sounds a lot better than my Onkyo 607. It's almost a night and day difference. My bass levels sound a lot more layered and neutral. Voice clarity seems much improved as well. All I have to do now is hope it lasts! I have one question though - I only made 3 calibration points because I only have 3 sitting positions on my couch. Is there any benefit from adding additional calibration points inbetween the sitting positions I already have (so I have the 6-8 that I'm supposed to have)?

Yes, follow the instructions and use all calibration points around the primary sitting position
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Originally Posted by t1337Dude View Post

I have one question though - I only made 3 calibration points because I only have 3 sitting positions on my couch. Is there any benefit from adding additional calibration points inbetween the sitting positions I already have (so I have the 6-8 that I'm supposed to have)?

Yes ... using the max number of mic positions provides more data for Audyssey to use. Note that after mic position #1, you should place the mic within a 2'-3' radius around the #1 mic position for positions 2-7, rather than where people actually sit. This and many more questions are answered in the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig.
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Was wondering if someone had a quick answer for this, I read through a ton of the technical information but not 100% sure. I just ordered an X4000 today so I can test it out and see if it does everything I want, but if anyone can shed some light that would be great.

Here is my setup, I am having my basement finished and the layout will be as follows:

Three room setup:
-Theater Room - Epson Projector with 5.1 surround sound
-Bar Area - Sony LCD with two in-ceiling speakers
-Gym - Sony LCD with two in-ceiling speakers

My goal was to us the X4000 as the main distribution point for everything:
-Verizon FiOS DVR
-Sony PS3
-AppleTV
-XBOX360

I plan to hook the TV's and projectors up with HDMI to the X4000, Theater and Gym will show the same picture and the Bar area will use Zone 2. This part I believe should all be fine and not have an issue.

My main concern/question is with the multi-zone audio. Does anyone know if I will be able to use 5.1 in the theater and then the speaker level ouputs to power the in ceiling speakers in the gym and bar, or will I need to use the Zone 2 and 3 pre-outs and use an additional amp. Also will it matter where the audio comes from, whether it be digital or analog.

Like I said my main concern is really with the audio distribution portion of the receiver/setup. If anyone has already tried this or did something similar your feedback would be greatly welcomed.

Thanks for Reading,
-Dennis
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I have a general question, and since i was kinda eying the X1000, thought maybe I could ask it here.

I'm trying to put together a setup for our new basement, with an area for my "man cave". It's not a separate room, but part of the fairly open basement. Anyway, so far for speakers I have Energy CF-50's for fronts, CB10s for surrounds, and the CC10 for the centre.

For a sub I have a BIC RTR-1200..

I know from doing a lot of reading and research that my speakers are probably on the low end of quality compared to what some of you cats are running, but i didn't have a multiple thousands of dollar budge for speaker alone, etc.

I am looking for a reciever, and thought of getting the X1000 as it seemd to be a good "entry level" one that is still higher on the scale than others I can get at best buy, etc.

But am I wasting money and looking at a reciever that won't benefit me because my speakers aren't the best? Or will the X1000 make any set of speakers sound better, and I would be ok considering it?
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Originally Posted by Gangrel View Post

I have a general question, and since i was kinda eying the X1000, thought maybe I could ask it here.

I'm trying to put together a setup for our new basement, with an area for my "man cave". It's not a separate room, but part of the fairly open basement. Anyway, so far for speakers I have Energy CF-50's for fronts, CB10s for surrounds, and the CC10 for the centre.

For a sub I have a BIC RTR-1200..

I know from doing a lot of reading and research that my speakers are probably on the low end of quality compared to what some of you cats are running, but i didn't have a multiple thousands of dollar budge for speaker alone, etc.

I am looking for a reciever, and thought of getting the X1000 as it seemd to be a good "entry level" one that is still higher on the scale than others I can get at best buy, etc.

But am I wasting money and looking at a reciever that won't benefit me because my speakers aren't the best? Or will the X1000 make any set of speakers sound better, and I would be ok considering it?

I think the x1000 would be a great match for what you have. While I agree that your energy speakers aren't the king of the hill, they certainly aren't the bottom either. My guess is this receiver will really make them sing. In addition, there are many nice features of denon receivers that you will grow to appreciate. One of my personal favorites is the ability to set up nearly everything on the receiver within a web browser. Boy it makes setting things up a lot easier.

While I am sure other people could chime in more a more technical answer, I think this is an incredible bang for the buck receiver for your needs.
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Thread Starter 
Gangrel -- I think you are underestimating the quality of your setup. Those Energy speakers are very high quality for "entry level" speakers and you will certainly benefit from the MultEQ XT calibration. The X1000 is essentially a "nice entry level" receiver so it in no way is overkill, it's actually a perfect match if you will never go beyond 5.1.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by denm316 View Post

Was wondering if someone had a quick answer for this, I read through a ton of the technical information but not 100% sure. I just ordered an X4000 today so I can test it out and see if it does everything I want, but if anyone can shed some light that would be great.

Here is my setup, I am having my basement finished and the layout will be as follows:

Three room setup:
-Theater Room - Epson Projector with 5.1 surround sound
-Bar Area - Sony LCD with two in-ceiling speakers
-Gym - Sony LCD with two in-ceiling speakers

My goal was to us the X4000 as the main distribution point for everything:
-Verizon FiOS DVR
-Sony PS3
-AppleTV
-XBOX360

I plan to hook the TV's and projectors up with HDMI to the X4000, Theater and Gym will show the same picture and the Bar area will use Zone 2. This part I believe should all be fine and not have an issue.

My main concern/question is with the multi-zone audio. Does anyone know if I will be able to use 5.1 in the theater and then the speaker level ouputs to power the in ceiling speakers in the gym and bar, or will I need to use the Zone 2 and 3 pre-outs and use an additional amp. Also will it matter where the audio comes from, whether it be digital or analog.

Like I said my main concern is really with the audio distribution portion of the receiver/setup. If anyone has already tried this or did something similar your feedback would be greatly welcomed.

Thanks for Reading,
-Dennis

The bottom line is this: The X4000 has 7 amps, and you have 9 speakers listed (5.1 + four in-ceiling speakers in other "zones"). So you will need at least some external amplification to power all 9 speakers.

Theoretically, if the Gym and Bar were "connected" as one zone and played the same source, you could use a speaker splitter to feed them the same Zone 2 signal (with the HDMI Zone 2 split as well for video).... but it sounds from your description that the Gym will actually be an extension of main zone (Theater) whereas the Bar needs to be fully independent.

So what I would recommend is this:

- Theater Room is obviously the main zone with 5.1 setup and HDMI 1 monitor connection for video
- Gym gets the HDMI 2 monitor feed so it will receive the same video as the Theater; assign internal amps to Zone 3 to power in-ceiling speakers for when you want audio
- Bar area is Zone 2, with HDMI Zone 2 output feeding independent HDMI video/audio signal to the LCD in there. Get an inexpensive 2ch external amp to power the in-ceiling speakers from Zone 2 pre-outs

(the reason Bar area is Zone 2 and Gym is Zone 3 is because the HDMI Zone output is attached to Zone 2)

If you chose to just use the TV speakers in one of the other areas then you would be fine with the 7 internal amps.

And, yes, the X4000 can output digital or analog audio to other zones so you are covered there.
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