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post #1021 of 1712
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Originally Posted by RicMau View Post

Sorry if this is a too stupid question, so please don't shoot me but to me is frustrating. I don't understand why meanwhile listening music if I select the main menu the music is muted and what is worse is that if I want to adjust EQ also there is no music but just a pink noise. How I'm going to know how to adjust EQ to my taste if the music can not be listened? I'm doing something wrong or that is how it supposed to be? My Pioneer EQ SG-9800 was much easier.

I'm with you Ric. With my Onkyo I could adjust anything from individual speaker levels, sub level and frequency, bass treble or what ever I wanted while anything was playing. Perhaps Foxbat's answer is to download the app. I think I will try that and see.
post #1022 of 1712
I realized I did not have my sub set to "PLUS" so now it does work with music. I knew it was something simple that I had missed. Thanks everyone. This 1522 is quite the bargain from Costco. I feel lucky that I was able to get one.
post #1023 of 1712
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Originally Posted by coasterguy View Post

I realized I did not have my sub set to "PLUS" so now it does work with music. I knew it was something simple that I had missed. Thanks everyone. This 1522 is quite the bargain from Costco. I feel lucky that I was able to get one.
That's generally not the best setting to use. You're better off setting your speakers to small and let the sub handle the lower frequencies.
post #1024 of 1712
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Originally Posted by coasterguy View Post

I realized I did not have my sub set to "PLUS" so now it does work with music. I knew it was something simple that I had missed. Thanks everyone. This 1522 is quite the bargain from Costco. I feel lucky that I was able to get one.

+1. Did the same and the bass became to much, had to turn it down a bit. Agreed on the feeling lucky part. The AVR has performed flawlessly.
post #1025 of 1712
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Originally Posted by crn3371 View Post

That's generally not the best setting to use. You're better off setting your speakers to small and let the sub handle the lower frequencies.

I wouldn't say that. For ppl with decent large tower speakers with dual 6.5", 8" or even built in powered sub, set it to large is the best option.
post #1026 of 1712
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Originally Posted by f1snob View Post

I'm with you Ric. With my Onkyo I could adjust anything from individual speaker levels, sub level and frequency, bass treble or what ever I wanted while anything was playing. Perhaps Foxbat's answer is to download the app. I think I will try that and see.

It might be necessary to do that before the auto-calibration days. Now the calibration takes care of speaker levels and everything else. There is really not much need for those settings other than initial setup. EQ might be a different issue but as mentioned, the iControlAV2012 app will take care of that easily.
post #1027 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

That's how it suppose to be. Download the iControlAV2012 app if you want to adjust eq.

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Originally Posted by f1snob View Post

I'm with you Ric. With my Onkyo I could adjust anything from individual speaker levels, sub level and frequency, bass treble or what ever I wanted while anything was playing. Perhaps Foxbat's answer is to download the app. I think I will try that and see.

Thanks for your responses. I downloaded the app and now I'm able to adjust the EQ and other settings with no hassle. So the app is nice and helped a lot. I hope the app keeps updated with upgrades & improvements. Still no clue why these adjustments can not be done directly on the receiver.
If it is not for this forum there is almost no other documentation about how to make good use of all features. I'm coming from a new Denon 2112 that initially found a little confused to handle the menus, manual & remote control. Well, compared to the Pioneer the Denon was easier.

1) Here a question to an issue that still I could not resolve: When I put a Blu ray during the set up movie menu there is no sound, and a white light blink on the receiver (I think PCM), when the movie starts the receiver recognizes the audio format and no issues with the sounds. I don't have any other issues with audio listening music. Why that happens?

2) iControlAV2012 app, where can I find explanation about the Emphasis --> Finger EQ & the Save and Load options. On Finger EQ there are adjustments on 3 different colors, what they mean?

Thanks to all. I'm starting to enjoy the receiver.
post #1028 of 1712
When I posted the same question about the eq I got made fun of and no one would explain what frequency they were. My best guess is low to medium to high frequency.
post #1029 of 1712
Just for the guys that didn't install the AVNavigator 2012 in their PC: I found there a pdf manual MCACC_MANUAL.pdf where it explains how to use the MCACC and transfer data measurements from the receiver to a computer. It explains also how to interpret the graphs seen in the iControlAV2012 app.
post #1030 of 1712
Got mine about 3 weeks ago from Costco just for my 2.1 setup. After doing multiple experiments with MCACC + using CD quality digital source, I can say without a doubt that Pioneer gives me the best stereo experience in my music room. I have used 3 different receivers (vintage receivers and newer Yamaha) and preamp + amp setup in the same room with same speakers + sub setup before. I also tried the same speakers + sub setup with Onkyo receiver in different room with proper Audyssey setup. I would say Pioneer beats them all by a large margin. Connect the Pioneer directly with high quality digital source, the music details are simply amazing. Music is life like, more 3 dimensional. With MCACC, my room modes issue is also solved. Now nothing rattles even on higher volume (I like to listen to volume in the range of -8 to +3 in my small room).

When I first got it and done my initial full auto MCACC setup, I was not too happy with the sound quality. I thought Pioneer sounded too thin and bright and missing the mids. However, by doing more experiments with microphone placements + speakers and subs angles + speakers settings, I finally found the sound I like. If you are still looking for the best music sound, below are my findings that might help you:

1. Microphone placement is very important. I found that moving just by 2 inches up, the MCACC adjustments would change a lot both in the frequencies that MCACC applies the filters and how MCACC adjust the EQ. Moving 2 inches back, the MCACC changes its settings again. I would suggest using a camera tripod to hold the microphone and start by placing the microphone at exact ear level of where you sit, then adjust from there. For example, moving the microphone up a couple inches so that the microphone is exact height as my ear canal helped with the bright sound.

2. Slightly adjust the angles of the speakers and even the sub (so that it is not parallel to the side walls as suggested by the manual) would again change the MCACC readings. For example, before I adjust the speakers angle, MCACC always place a filter at the 60Hz range. After the angles adjustment, MCACC no longer places any filter below 100 Hz. I really like how MCACC could show the result of changing speakers angles almost instantly. That is pretty handy in discovering how to solve the room mode issue.

3. Using different speakers setting in the setup menu would also change the MCACC readings. For example, after doing initial full auto setup, I manually set the speakers to small, and then used "keep SP system" and run auto MCACC again. The reading was different than original full auto setup's readings, even without moving the microphone. Without moving the microphone, I manually set the speakers to large and sub to plus, and then use "keep SP system" and run auto MCACC again. The reading was again different than using "small" for speakers and "yes" for sub. The "ALL CH ADJ" readings were very different between the two speakers settings. It looks like when I select "large" for speakers and "plus" for sub, MCACC wound include the sub's effects when calculating the EQ for front speakers. For example, my sub is placed in the front right. For the "ALL CH ADJ" EQ type, MCACC would boast the 60 HZ range for my left front speakers and trimmed the 60Hz range for my front right speakers. I ended up liking "large" and "plus" for speakers setting and "ALL CH ADJ" for my EQ type the best.

Wish all of you happy listening!
post #1031 of 1712
^^

+1 to every one of your tips! cool.gif

I am so glad that someone brand new to the Forum figured this out and posted this. Because some people here like to debate old Pio hands like me, when we make these very same suggestions wink.gif Sad but true if you check out the MCACC thread. There are some who want to argue that moving the mic or tilting it is irrelevant since it can't be that accurate of a mic...which is not the point. The actual accuracy or inaccuracy of the mic used is irrelevant to optimizing its positioning for the best that the system can deliver. As you found out, it DOES make a difference.

Welcome to the forum and hope you continue to be a great contributor to this & other Pioneer threads.
post #1032 of 1712
I was playing around with bitstreaming yesterday and I couldn't get the receiver to decode the audio. RTFM and it said that a pcm signal will play in stereo. I tried all the available DSP modes and still could only get stereo. I suspect its the audio format that it wasn't reading, cause it did decode a couple of DTS movies. I don't remember the audio formats right now but does anyone have an idea of which audio formats it won't decode?
post #1033 of 1712
Thread Starter 
It decodes all audio formats found on any movie discs. You need to specify more info like what exactly are you playing from. I have no clue what are you doing.
post #1034 of 1712
Last night I took a break from playing with my 1522 & watched 2001, A Space Odyssey with it's 5.1 LPCM sound track. It sounded fantastic. The 1522 handled the PCM sound track without issue. Think I've settled on setting my fronts to Large & sub to Plus. Going to watch The Avengers tonight & see how it sounds, trying to decide between Symmetry or All Ch Adj.
post #1035 of 1712
With this receiver does the iControlAV2013 differ in any features to the iControlAV2012?
I have seen others on this forum indicate the 2013 works but not with a lof of detail.
post #1036 of 1712
For everyone who was helping me with MCACC not detecting my sub a little over a week ago, I think/hope the problem has been solved. I sent my sub amp back to daveds50 to look at, and he said it looks like a possible voltage spike took it out. I do run through a surge protector, but I guess anything can happen. So, that should be back to me tomorrow and I hope to try to get back at it this weekend. My next question would be, when running MCACC, do I set my speakers to small or large? I've tried to do my homework on this, but always read conflicting arguments. My towers are Definitive Technology BP30's, with Def Tech BPVX surrounds and eD A3-250 subwoofer. These speakers are the ones WITHOUT the built in subwoofers. From what I tried to gather, most people say if you are running a separate subwoofer to set the speakers to small. Is that pretty much the rule?
Edited by Ace2377 - 5/30/13 at 10:32am
post #1037 of 1712
Thread Starter 
You can set your fronts as large and rest as small. Also set sub to PLUS. And you will be fine.
Your front towers are large enough (dual 6.5") to leave it at large. But you can experiement it as small to see which way you like. Just remember if you change speaker settings, you need to manually re-run MCACC that leaves your speaker settings in tact. MCACC thread should have instructions to do that.
post #1038 of 1712
Ok, sounds good, thank you! The BP30's actually each have quad 6.5" biggrin.gif I saw that sub PLUS setting, what does that do? I'm guessing it's something specific to Pioneer as I do not recall anything like that in my old Onkyo. Thanks again!
post #1039 of 1712
Thread Starter 
Sub PLUS means the receiver will still re-direct some but not all LFEs from channels setup large to subwoofer when your speaker is set to large. This generally gives you more bass especially when you playing 2-ch stereo sources where LFE channel does not exist. Other brands have similar thing but with different naming.

Without PLUS setting, no LFE will be re-directed from channels that set as large speakers. So, a lot times, you will feel the bass is not enough when playing source that has no .1 LFE channels like radio, CD etc.
post #1040 of 1712
Gotcha! I use it for 99% home theater, but occasionally throw some music on. Thank you for the explanation!
post #1041 of 1712
Firmware update issues. A friend of mine just got the 1522 at a Long Island Costco yesterday and he asked me to update the firmware. Following the instructions I kept getting error 6 with the usb drive I was using. I even downloaded the firmware to the drive I had and extracted it directly. I tried again and go the same error. Finally I followed the suggestion of using a different usb drive and everything worked with the upgrade. The first drive I used was 16gb the second the worked was only 4gb. I also feel that the instructions for doing the update could have been clearer and more accurate.

I also wonder if Pioneer could upgrade the receiver to scale up to 4k like the new 1323. I think it is using the same Qdeo video processor.
Edited by rwestley - 5/30/13 at 1:53pm
post #1042 of 1712
Hooked up a $20 (refurb - ebay) Netgear WNCE2001 wireless adapter today. The WPS didn't work, had to hook the adapter directly to my home PC. Internet Explorer would not bring up the setup, but Chrome found it, took 3 tries, finally the adapter took my wireless password. Disconnected it, hooked it up to the 1522, and I was in business. IControlAV2012 on the ipad is great. Username and password entry for Pandora was a major pita. But that's behind me now. This AVR continues to impress!
post #1043 of 1712
^^^
Yes, the WNCE2001 wireless adapter works fine & you got it for a good price. I'm using a $20 Monoprice router in bridge mode. It gives me 4 wired Ethernet ports at my home entertainment system and connects them to my network via wifi. Use it for both my 1522 and my BD player. Can be a little tricky to setup but works great once configured. Just another option if you can't pickup the Netgear at a decent price.
post #1044 of 1712
I use a IO Gear wireless wi-fi adapter that plugs into the RJ45 Ethernet port and plugs into the USB port for the power. The IOGear model is GWU627 can be purchased on Amazon at Warehouse Deals for about $30. Very good hard copy User's Manual! Now that's different:)

quote name="apaulct" url="/t/1465612/official-pioneer-sc-1522-9-2-network-ready-av-receiver-owners-thread/1020#post_23375791"]^^^
Yes, the WNCE2001 wireless adapter works fine & you got it for a good price. I'm using a $20 Monoprice router in bridge mode. It gives me 4 wired Ethernet ports at my home entertainment system and connects them to my network via wifi. Use it for both my 1522 and my BD player. Can be a little tricky to setup but works great once configured. Just another option if you can't pickup the Netgear at a decent price.[/quote]
post #1045 of 1712
How difficult was the Monoprice config? I did a Trend Micro bridge in my HT with my SC-37 Pio and my Panasonic plasma and Panny BR.
So the question is also, can you do two wireless bridges to the wired main router? I ask because where my SC-1522k is is in the bedroom where I have a wired only BR that I could also attach as you did with the Monoprice bridge/adapter.
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^^^
Yes, the WNCE2001 wireless adapter works fine & you got it for a good price. I'm using a $20 Monoprice router in bridge mode. It gives me 4 wired Ethernet ports at my home entertainment system and connects them to my network via wifi. Use it for both my 1522 and my BD player. Can be a little tricky to setup but works great once configured. Just another option if you can't pickup the Netgear at a decent price.
post #1046 of 1712
It's not overly complicated if you have a little networking knowledge. There is a white paper on setting the router up as a bridge on their site. Some of the problems in the customer feedback is due to people not reading the instructions. You should be able to have multiple bridges connected. Just be sure each has a unique IP address & only your main router acts as a dhcp server. The dhcp service should be off in the bridges.
post #1047 of 1712
Thanks, great feedback on the config. of multiple bridges.

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Originally Posted by apaulct View Post

It's not overly complicated if you have a little networking knowledge. There is a white paper on setting the router up as a bridge on their site. Some of the problems in the customer feedback is due to people not reading the instructions. You should be able to have multiple bridges connected. Just be sure each has a unique IP address & only your main router acts as a dhcp server. The dhcp service should be off in the bridges.
post #1048 of 1712
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Originally Posted by DaveCarrera4 View Post

. [Snip] ...Username and password entry for Pandora was a major pita. But that's behind me now. This AVR continues to impress!
If you ever have to enter the Pandora info again, try going to the built in web page for the 1522. Type the DCHP address assigned by your router into a browser.
post #1049 of 1712
So I had to purchase a "used" "very good" 1522. Been checking Costco, and they told me that the 1522 is discontinued in their data base (which means they will not be getting it). So after setting everything up and running MACC, everything sounds good. The problem I'm having deals with the 12V trigger switch. I have the switch hooked up to my Emotiva amp and the 1522 is displaying a "12V error code" for both trigger 1&2. I unplugged the 1522 (per the manual), and plugged the switch cable back in to both units and still have the error code come up. I did go through the menu and turn on the 12V trigger switch in the "Input section" like the manual says.

Is the unit defective? Or am I doing something wrong (which probably is a good bet)smile.gif I hate to purchase "used" items, but this was the only way to get a 1522 at a decent price. I also like to go through Amazon for easy returns.

Thanks for any help
post #1050 of 1712
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Originally Posted by grpape View Post

So I had to purchase a "used" "very good" 1522. Been checking Costco, and they told me that the 1522 is discontinued in their data base (which means they will not be getting it). So after setting everything up and running MACC, everything sounds good. The problem I'm having deals with the 12V trigger switch. I have the switch hooked up to my Emotiva amp and the 1522 is displaying a "12V error code" for both trigger 1&2. I unplugged the 1522 (per the manual), and plugged the switch cable back in to both units and still have the error code come up. I did go through the menu and turn on the 12V trigger switch in the "Input section" like the manual says.

Is the unit defective? Or am I doing something wrong (which probably is a good bet)smile.gif I hate to purchase "used" items, but this was the only way to get a 1522 at a decent price. I also like to go through Amazon for easy returns.

Thanks for any help

The only thing I can think of that can cause an error like that is if the jacks are not connected in the corresponding places, which you've already checked. Have you upgraded to the latest firmware?

I'm thinking of buying an emotiva amp to power up my front 3 speakers, and I am hoping I do not run into the same problem. Let us know if you figure out what's wrong.
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