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post #1261 of 1712
Did that - no difference - 2 different cable boxes same problem Charter and AY&T U-verse.
post #1262 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Bill3888 View Post

Did that - no difference - 2 different cable boxes same problem Charter and AY&T U-verse.

who actually makes the tuner? (for example, Motorola, Cisco, Scientific Atlanta) and which model? the cable provider may not matter as much as the mfg of the box and the chipset used for HDMI. someone may be able to confirm compatibility issues if they knew make & model.

if all fails, connect it with component video & optical audio. you won't be missing anything, cable being 1080i and Dolby Digital.
post #1263 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Bill3888 View Post

Did that - no difference - 2 different cable boxes same problem Charter and AY&T U-verse.

I have comcast sometimes I get just the video with no sound. I just have to go to a different channel to get it to work.Not sure if it is entirely the receiver issue 'cause I have another setup where comcast cable box is connected to TV directly where I notice this issue as well but rarely though.
post #1264 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Bill3888 View Post

Did that - no difference - 2 different cable boxes same problem Charter and AY&T U-verse.
Did you upgrade the 1522 to latest firmware via USB? Pioneer did mention improvements on HDMI compatibility in changelogs. The last two firmware revision can't be upgraded via internet directly.
post #1265 of 1712
Having an interesting time trying to figure out why 5.1 source- played from BD via Direct or Prime Direct (either HD Dolby or HD DTS)- is coming out of 7.1 speakers. I have my surround setup as 7.1 on speakers A, with two stereo speakers on the front wides for speakers B. When I play 7.1 content on speakers A, I get sound on 7.1 channels/speakers. All fine so far. When I play stereo on speakers B, I get sound on 2 channels/speakers. BUT, when I play 5.1 on speakers A, I'm getting sound on all 7.1 speakers (display shows 5.1). I've gone through the audio part of the directions, played with settings, can't figure it out. I must have something enabled, but I sure can't figure out what. I've recal'd MCACC and that doesn't change things. Anyone know what button I need to hit to get correct sound. A big thanks in front. smile.gif
post #1266 of 1712
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

Having an interesting time trying to figure out why 5.1 source- played from BD via Direct or Prime Direct (either HD Dolby or HD DTS)- is coming out of 7.1 speakers. I have my surround setup as 7.1 on speakers A, with two stereo speakers on the front wides for speakers B. When I play 7.1 content on speakers A, I get sound on 7.1 channels/speakers. All fine so far. When I play stereo on speakers B, I get sound on 2 channels/speakers. BUT, when I play 5.1 on speakers A, I'm getting sound on all 7.1 speakers (display shows 5.1). I've gone through the audio part of the directions, played with settings, can't figure it out. I must have something enabled, but I sure can't figure out what. I've recal'd MCACC and that doesn't change things. Anyone know what button I need to hit to get correct sound. A big thanks in front. smile.gif


I think you have zone 2 enabled. Look on iControl to see these if on and what they're input is..
post #1267 of 1712
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

who actually makes the tuner? (for example, Motorola, Cisco, Scientific Atlanta) and which model? the cable provider may not matter as much as the mfg of the box and the chipset used for HDMI. someone may be able to confirm compatibility issues if they knew make & model.

if all fails, connect it with component video & optical audio. you won't be missing anything, cable being 1080i and Dolby Digital.

Box is an Motorola VIP2250/405 s/n M91140FD2837 -

The optical is my next step after new HDMIs from Monoprice.
post #1268 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Did you upgrade the 1522 to latest firmware via USB? Pioneer did mention improvements on HDMI compatibility in changelogs. The last two firmware revision can't be upgraded via internet directly.


Yep - first thing I did.
post #1269 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Bill3888 View Post

I'm looking for some help on the HDMI handshaking. I've had this receiver for over 2 months now, actually 1st one lasted 2 days, and have an ongoing problem with the sound. It has been random and intermittent on HDMI. I called pioneer and they blamed the cable company, so I fooled them and switched companies and low and behold, the same problem. (I was switching anyway). Here's what I get. I turn on the tv, AT&T u-verse, and then the receiver. About half the time I have no sound, just picture - I play around with the pause and fast forward and usually the sound will come on - sometimes it'll be ok while I fast forward through commercials and sometimes it won't and I have to play with it again to get the sound back. This is getting very old and irritating. I disconnect the HDMI cable while powered and plug it back in and it always comes back with sound (I know pioneer says never to do this), and it seems to go longer without having to play with the pause or FF buttons to get the sound back. Now when I turn everything on and get no sound, (probably 50 % of the time), I have started to power off the receiver only then re-power by holding the power button down(about 10 seconds) to reestablish the HDMI ports on the receiver. This always works (or seems to) and I can watch for a long time without having to play "get the sound back with the pause and FF buttons on the AT&T remote. But when I power everything off and power everything back on in the normal manner the sound is back to intermittent, so I have to do the receiver power off then on and hold to get the sound back to normal. I watch the receiver's remote I-control app on my phone and watch as I hit FF or pause and the input to the receiver goes from dolby to PCM but doesn't go back to dolby when I stop the pause or FF. Those times when the sound works correctly it goes from dolby to PCM then back to dolby when I resume normal speed. I have changed HDMI cables once but I guess I should do that again just to be sure it's not the cable.. It just seems to me the receiver is "loosing" it's information on the HDMI port (but evidently not loosing picture information). The picture is always good, I have switched the input HDMI from 3 to 1 and no change. I really like this receiver and probably can't find anymore at Costco, that's why I've been putting up with this. Using the iphone app I can switch rapidly between types of output and it seems that going to direct and pure direct brings the sound back most often and then I can switch right back to what I was on before (surround or THX) and the sound stays on. Anyway any help out there would be greatly appreciated, I'm really trying to keep this receiver!! Thanks P.S. after reading this myself I need to clear this up. Once the sound is established it stays on and I only loose it if I select a new show, pause, fast forward or rewind. The sound works perfect when I use my TV apps such as you tube or net flicks(optical to reciever) It is only through HDMI cable that I loose sound. I guess I need to hook up my DVD through HDMI to see what that does. Thanks

I experience this audio drop out once in a while (once every two weeks). All I have to do is change the channel (the next one up or down), and the audio comes back. I had HDMI problems that seemed to come from a HDMI switcher and a HDMI cable. I did have a problem, however, with my bluray player not playing through the BD port when it did earlier. I just switched the BD to play PS3 and the CBL/SAT to play the bluray. Hope you can get it figured out.
post #1270 of 1712
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I experience this audio drop out once in a while (once every two weeks). All I have to do is change the channel (the next one up or down), and the audio comes back. I had HDMI problems that seemed to come from a HDMI switcher and a HDMI cable. I did have a problem, however, with my bluray player not playing through the BD port when it did earlier. I just switched the BD to play PS3 and the CBL/SAT to play the bluray. Hope you can get it figured out.


Thanks - new cables coming from Monoprice tomorrow. It just seems funny that after a reset of the receiver (by holding the power button while off for ten seconds, that the receiver works perfect until I turn it on and off normally? Something is being forgotten. Tonight I've been running it in PCM only by setting the AT&T uverse box to stereo only and that seems to be working so far.

Here's a note from the 1522 manual that applies - my problem is it doesn't always come back
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HDMI format digital audio transmissions require a longer time to be recognized. Due to this, interruption in the audio may occur when switching between audio formats or beginning playback.
post #1271 of 1712
I mentioned before that while watching a movie, I will start to see a continuous flashing (blinking) over the entire screen until I do one of the following: (1) cycle power on 1522; (2) cycle inputs on 1522; (3) go to home screen on BD player; (4) unplug/plug HDMI connection from BD to 1522. This is the 3rd cable I've tried and it is still occuring. (Connection from BD->1522 & 1522->TV are both Monoprice UltraSlim HP with Redmere 15' - PID 9429).

I've turned off deep color, but that doesn't work. I've read that others think it might be a HDMI handshake issue, but I'm not convinced in this case. Last night I remember that after watching TV for about 40 mins, I turned on the BD player and then the AVR a minute after that. I didn't see the flashing until 1hr 10min into the movie. Last night's movie was a Blu-Ray, but it has happended with a regular DVD also. I would think that if it's a handshake issue, it wouldn't appear after working for over an hour

Does anyone have any suggestions? Since this has been happening for over month, I'm going to see if a local Costco has any 1522's left in stock that I can get to replace this one.
Edited by Pioneer_Elte - 6/25/13 at 4:54am
post #1272 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Bill3888 View Post

Box is an Motorola VIP2250/405 s/n M91140FD2837 -

The optical is my next step after new HDMIs from Monoprice.

you may want to do a search on your tuner. forums, A-verse & others about audio dropouts, overheating, freezes & reboots wink.gif some seem to have good luck with it, others don't.

based on many posts I saw, your model does tend to run hot and good ventilation is in order. you can download a manual and it recommends at least 2" of clearance on all sides.

also try turning off HDMI Control in the receiver menu. I forgot about that in my earlier post.
post #1273 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Pioneer_Elte View Post

I mentioned before that while watching a movie, I will start to see a continuous flashing (blinking)

may be a connection / connector problem, especially with a heavy cable that's bending downward by a cabinet back. try reseating the cable at both the receiver & TV. if that doesn't help, try another input on the receiver; if that solves it then you may want to consider swapping for another one at the store. it could also be a connector on the cable.
Edited by ss9001 - 6/25/13 at 5:41am
post #1274 of 1712
Purchased this unit a few months back and finally got it up and running in a 9.2 configuration with front height. Replaced a mid-level Yamaha and I find the 1522 to be a superb receiver. Ran MCACC and found the low end a bit anemic. I bumped the SW standing wave trim up by 1.5 db and I am pleased by the improvement. I have read others are increasing this by 3 db and may experiment a bit. The L/C/R are powered by external amps and I think the ability to turn the L/C/R receiver amps off is a great option. One minor gripe is the way Pioneer chose to design the sound mode selection process. Instead of cycling through and forcing you to select each sound mode, I would have preferred an OSD type menu to browse through and then select the mode of choice.
post #1275 of 1712
Thread Starter 
You can always use discrete IR codes and a programmable universal remote to direct select the sound modes smile.gif
post #1276 of 1712
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Originally Posted by 117olddude

Having an interesting time trying to figure out why 5.1 source- played from BD via Direct or Prime Direct (either HD Dolby or HD DTS)- is coming out of 7.1 speakers. I have my surround setup as 7.1 on speakers A, with two stereo speakers on the front wides for speakers B. When I play 7.1 content on speakers A, I get sound on 7.1 channels/speakers. All fine so far. When I play stereo on speakers B, I get sound on 2 channels/speakers. BUT, when I play 5.1 on speakers A, I'm getting sound on all 7.1 speakers (display shows 5.1). I've gone through the audio part of the directions, played with settings, can't figure it out. I must have something enabled, but I sure can't figure out what. I've recal'd MCACC and that doesn't change things. Anyone know what button I need to hit to get correct sound. A big thanks in front.

Bill3888
"I think you have zone 2 enabled. Look on iControl to see these if on and what they're input is.."


Nope. I have no zones. I did a full reset (On + Enter) and tried a 5.1 BD with no MCACC set up. Played fine on 5.1 speakers. Tried a 7.1 BD and it played fine on 7.1 speakers. I would probably have just left it that way but I can't get my two stereo speakers to play independently of the surrounds- no "B" speaker choice. So I ran MCACC using 7.1 + B and the same thing occurs. The Pioneer is sending a signal to SBL and SBR when I play a 5.1 BD w/HD sound, set to either Direct or Prime Direct and DTS Master or Dolby HD. When I ran MCACC, I ran off of Full Auto, and then changed surrounds from Rear to Side, and the Large speakers it chose to Small. Then I ran Auto MCACC, choosing to "Keep Speakers." I also upped the SW Standing Wave trim by 3db.

So is this a design flaw, a receiver that has an issue, or something I have done? And remember, I started off with a fresh reset and, after running MCACC, pushed no buttons except for the two that control Direct/Prime Direct and DTS Master/Dolby HD.
post #1277 of 1712
Interesting thought. I have been using the iPhone app. Thanks for the advise.
post #1278 of 1712
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

Having an interesting time trying to figure out why 5.1 source- played from BD via Direct or Prime Direct (either HD Dolby or HD DTS)- is coming out of 7.1 speakers....

So is this a design flaw, a receiver that has an issue, or something I have done? And remember, I started off with a fresh reset and, after running MCACC, pushed no buttons except for the two that control Direct/Prime Direct and DTS Master/Dolby HD.

You may be experiencing how the player implements DTS-MA. Some players, Pioneer's used to have this "feature", were designed to duplicate the side surrounds into the rears so that 5.1 >> "faux" 7.1. I know a number of Pioneer players & some Panasonic players implemented DTS-MA in this way at least a few years ago. I don't know about new Pio/Panny players. It was an option by DTS. And I don't know or remember if some Samsung, Sony & LG players ever did it this way.

This hasn't been discussed in quite awhile & I haven't visited BD player threads in a long time but it was a topic of discussion several years ago because many Pioneer AVR owners discovered they had 7.1 from 5.1 and also discovered that they could NOT add Dolby PLIIx, DTS Neo6 matrix processing. The only processing we could add on top of DTS-MA was THX. Oppo was one of the players that DID NOT duplicate the sides so earlier generations of receivers could add PLIIx with an Oppo player to get matrixed 7.1 instead of faux 7.1.

Dolby TrueHD was not an issue back then and if you had a 5.1 disc, it would stay 5.1 in Direct unless you were in Auto Surround & added PLIIx, etc. So if you are still getting 7.1 in Direct mode, the duplication implementation may not be what's causing it for you. It only applied to DTS-MA. So not sure why this would be happening with TrueHD unless it's also an issue with your player confused.gif

I haven't kept up with newer BD players, owning both the older $2K Pioneer BDP-09 (which duplicated) and the Oppo 93 (which didn't duplicate) so have no idea if this is still an issue with some players.

So, if you have an older player, this may be what's happening to you. and if that's the case, there's nothing you can do about it unless you turn the rear channels off in the setup menu (not worth the hassle IMO).

I can't think of any other reason off the top of my head why you are getting this effect.
Edited by ss9001 - 6/26/13 at 4:10am
post #1279 of 1712
Thread Starter 
dts has something called speaker mapping that all DTS decoders should do. As a result, a 5.1 DTS audio rarely comes out as 5.1. for example, Panasonic BD players will always output 7.1 on any DTS tracks if you let it decode. So, try Dolby 5.1 tracks instead. I doubt your receiver have any problem at all.
post #1280 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

dts has something called speaker mapping that all DTS decoders should do. As a result, a 5.1 DTS audio rarely comes out as 5.1. for example, Panasonic BD players will always output 7.1 on any DTS tracks if you let it decode. So, try Dolby 5.1 tracks instead. I doubt your receiver have any problem at all.

precisely. Thanks, Foxbat, for your added comments about speaker mapping.
you & I have been thru this before wink.gif

it was an issue of discussion with some older Pioneer SC AVR's because we couldn't add PLIIx only THX. but that's no longer an issue anymore. I know the SC-68 can add anything to anything smile.gif

and I just remembered a clarification on my post before yours - something you said which triggered it -

"if you let it do the decoding"

if you set a player that speaker mapped to the rears to decode as PCM, you'd get the 7.1. but if you set the player to bitstream & let the receiver decode, then you'd get no more than what's on the disc, 5.1 stays 5.1 and that's when PLIIx couldn't be added back then.

my memory on explaining some of these quirks isn't as good eek.gifwink.gif

so 117olddude, you can also try setting your player to bitstream.
Edited by ss9001 - 6/26/13 at 5:10am
post #1281 of 1712
Thread Starter 
Yep, my Elite 92 can't use PLIIx on anything DTS, only THX. Now the SC-1522 can do it but it seems that the old THX Select2 processing I had on 92 no longer exists on 1522. Either way, a 5.1 speaker layout is very different than a 7.1 speaker layout in the surround backs. So, DTS did a good thing that insisting on speaker mapping embedded to each track so that the surround effects can be correctly reproduced. I remember when PS3 first instroduced DTS-HD MA decoding, everyone was crying about it always output 7.1 LPCM and Sony had to revise it to output 5.1 LPCM instead. That was a bad move. I give props to Panasonic for sticking with it and clearly documented in the manual that all DTS decoding will yield LPCM 7.1 output.
post #1282 of 1712
Question for you experienced 1522 guys. Here is the issue: I use a powered zone 2 (ABUS) to send music throughout the house. In the past, I used Sirius XM via the antenna (which Pioneer no longer supports). We always had consistent music going throughout our house - just turn on one of the rooms (which were fed off of zone 2) and it was there.

Now, I have 2 setups (2 separate homes).

1. One is with the 1522 and verizon fios cable.
2. One is with the SC-72 (just came out) and Time Warner Cable.

In BOTH instances, after a period of time (not sure how long) I have to "reset" the Pandora to keep playing (or any of the streamed internet stations). Essentially going back into the receiver and rechoosing the appropriate internet station. I can reset it by using the Ipad app. But I don't understand why the internet source effectively shuts itself down after a period of time. Does Pioneer turn off the internet station streaming after a certain length of time?

This isn't receiver specific, or an issue with cable, since it is doing it with 2 different receivers, 2 different cable companies, etc. FYI - when I choose Tuner (radio) for zone 2, this does not occur. It never occured in the past with the antenna supported Sirius XM. It does appear to be something that is specific to the internet streaming. If anyone knows anything about this, I'd appreciate it!
post #1283 of 1712
!. I'm bitstreaming from my Oppo 103, which is a new player. If I use PCM, same thing.
2. I can use all of the sound fields that Pioneer included, and not just on DTS/DTS HD.
3. This is also happening with non-HD-sound BDs, such as Grosse Point Blank.
4. It also gives me 7.1 during the splash screen at the start of each movie (when the studio picture comes up).
5. And just to check, I put in Heat BD, which is a Dolby True HD @ 5.1. Same thing.


So you folks think the 1522 is simply duplicating the side surrounds to the back surrounds? I guess I can live with it, though it just seems.... wrong.

On another note, due to my room layout I'm getting less db on my Surround R than I would like. Is there a way to up the db on that channel within MCACC after running it? Manually, as I change the Standing Wave Trim for the SW? I have found the Channel Level (#6) on the remote, which allows me to boost db on each speaker. But that seems to revert back after turnoff. I'd like to change and leave the boost.

Thanks again for all the help. Still love the receiver, just seems to have a few quirks.
post #1284 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Mags44 View Post

Question for you experienced 1522 guys. Here is the issue: I use a powered zone 2 (ABUS) to send music throughout the house. In the past, I used Sirius XM via the antenna (which Pioneer no longer supports). We always had consistent music going throughout our house - just turn on one of the rooms (which were fed off of zone 2) and it was there.

Now, I have 2 setups (2 separate homes).

1. One is with the 1522 and verizon fios cable.
2. One is with the SC-72 (just came out) and Time Warner Cable.

In BOTH instances, after a period of time (not sure how long) I have to "reset" the Pandora to keep playing (or any of the streamed internet stations). Essentially going back into the receiver and rechoosing the appropriate internet station. I can reset it by using the Ipad app. But I don't understand why the internet source effectively shuts itself down after a period of time. Does Pioneer turn off the internet station streaming after a certain length of time?

This isn't receiver specific, or an issue with cable, since it is doing it with 2 different receivers, 2 different cable companies, etc. FYI - when I choose Tuner (radio) for zone 2, this does not occur. It never occured in the past with the antenna supported Sirius XM. It does appear to be something that is specific to the internet streaming. If anyone knows anything about this, I'd appreciate it!
I know if you listen to Pandora over the internet via a PC, it will ask you every couple of hours if you're still listening. They don't want to pay royalties on songs that are playing for nobody. Doesn't explain why it would happen to the SiriusXM since that's a paid service. Have you tried to see if the receivers are showing a message on the tv?
post #1285 of 1712
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

So you folks think the 1522 is simply duplicating the side surrounds to the back surrounds? I guess I can live with it, though it just seems.... wrong.

After listen to my setup, I think you are correct that this receiver send sound to surround backs all the time. I suspect this is to do so to simulate the position of rear surround in a 5.1 system which doesn't exist in a 7.1 setup. I'm fine with this arrangement instead of letting the surround backs silent. That's exactly why DTS insists on speaker mappings in the first place.

In a 5.1 setup, rear speakers are on the back corners. In a 7.1 setup, surround speakers are one your sides and surround backs are directly behind you. There is speaker in back corners. If you let surround backs silent, you only only hear sound from your sides, nothing from back which is not right.

I use Neo.X all the time anyway. This upconverts all 5.1 to 7.1 using DTS Neo.X algorithm instead of whatever it done by Pioneer (probably duplicate and reduce levels on both). DPL IIx is also my favourite in the past.
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On another note, due to my room layout I'm getting less db on my Surround R than I would like. Is there a way to up the db on that channel within MCACC after running it? Manually, as I change the Standing Wave Trim for the SW? I have found the Channel Level (#6) on the remote, which allows me to boost db on each speaker. But that seems to revert back after turnoff. I'd like to change and leave the boost.

Go to MCACC data check and Acustic EQ Calibration. There you can adjust trim level for each inidividual channel/speaker. But since you already uses MCACC to calibrate, shoudn't that already take care of the speaker leveling?
Edited by Foxbat121 - 6/26/13 at 7:24am
post #1286 of 1712
"Go to MCACC data check and Acustic EQ Calibration. There you can adjust trim level for each inidividual channel/speaker. But since you already uses MCACC to calibrate, shoudn't that already take care of the speaker leveling?"

Thanks. I already took a look there, guess I'll go back in and look again for a straight db bump.

You'd think MCACC would handle it, but it just seems left-centric when I listen. Could also be me, too many nights at Winterland and Avalon and Filmore in the 60s, let alone all the music I listened to at high volume over the past 50years. Maybe my right ear has a "limp." smile.gif
post #1287 of 1712
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

You'd think MCACC would handle it, but it just seems left-centric when I listen. Could also be me, too many nights at Winterland and Avalon and Filmore in the 60s, let alone all the music I listened to at high volume over the past 50years. Maybe my right ear has a "limp." smile.gif
One possibility is that your receiver is in Pure Direct mode when you are testing 5.1 tracks which will bypass all calibration and speaker level settings.
post #1288 of 1712
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Originally Posted by 117olddude View Post

!. I'm bitstreaming from my Oppo 103, which is a new player. If I use PCM, same thing.
2. I can use all of the sound fields that Pioneer included, and not just on DTS/DTS HD.
3. This is also happening with non-HD-sound BDs, such as Grosse Point Blank.
4. It also gives me 7.1 during the splash screen at the start of each movie (when the studio picture comes up).
5. And just to check, I put in Heat BD, which is a Dolby True HD @ 5.1. Same thing.


So you folks think the 1522 is simply duplicating the side surrounds to the back surrounds? I guess I can live with it, though it just seems.... wrong.

On another note, due to my room layout I'm getting less db on my Surround R than I would like. Is there a way to up the db on that channel within MCACC after running it? Manually, as I change the Standing Wave Trim for the SW? I have found the Channel Level (#6) on the remote, which allows me to boost db on each speaker. But that seems to revert back after turnoff. I'd like to change and leave the boost.

Thanks again for all the help. Still love the receiver, just seems to have a few quirks.

check page 93 in your manual...you have the option to say the surrounds are located on the sides or rearward. this may be the culprit because if you said they are rearward, it will blend the sides with the rears:

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

I hate to admit this but I myself didn't know what that setting really did & I had mine set to Rear which is not really what I want so I have to change my own SC-68 setting redface.gif in my case, I always listen in 7.1 anyway so it didn't make a big difference except it's positioning the sound more rearward & I'm losing some "separation" in space between the sides & rears. oh well, learn something new all the time eek.gif

try changing to Side as described in the manual for Manual Speaker Settings and see if that makes a diff. If you already have it that way then it may be speaker mapping at work.
post #1289 of 1712
Thread Starter 
^^^ Good catch. As stated in that section of the manual, when you set the surround speakers to sidse (which is the correct setting for most 7.1 setup), the receiver will mix in the surrounds and surround backs to simulate the 5.1 surrounds at the corner. That explains what 117olddude is hearing.
post #1290 of 1712
Not to go off topic, but looks like Pioneer just announced the 1522-K replacement for 2013... The SC-1523-K
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/SC-1523-K
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