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post #391 of 1712
Getting more and more concerned.... my HT room is bieing rebuilt after water damage, and I won't be able to hook up the new 1522 until that is completed (~2 weeks). I ran all the way to King of Prussia (an hour and a half from my house) to get the unit, and it seems that there may be some issues right out of the box? It is always hard to tell how many are not having problems - people generally do not post when all is ok, so I am left wondering if I am going to be in the hopefully much larger group NOT having issues or not. I guess only time will tell .

Jeff
post #392 of 1712
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Originally Posted by IronWaffle View Post

I'm a bit lost what to do. MCAAC insists that two speakers (R and SR) are reverse phase. I've triple checked and they're wired properly.

Thanks in advance for any ideas. Hopefully there's a "duh, why didn't I think of that" solution.

I had that a few times. First time, it was just the R, 2nd time it was the R & SR. On the 3rd time it went away.

Just reposition the MCAAC mic a few inches and try to make sure you're not in a direct path from the speaker to the mic during the setup. If that doesn't work, I think Pioneer actually stated somewhere that if this happens and you verify the wiring is correct, just select continue and move on.
post #393 of 1712
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Originally Posted by JeffCar View Post

it seems that there may be some issues right out of the box?

if you spend any amt of time in Pioneer threads on the SC models, a whole lot of "issues" are from people not understanding how the receiver works, maybe not taking time to read the manual on certain things or misinterpreting what they read, or trying to do something with the receiver that it's not designed to do, like trying to do HDMI multizones when only the SC-68 can do that wink.gif

IOW - it may be the owner not the receiver that is contributing the most to complaints & issues you may be seeing wink.gif

in many threads & across the board for various models. in all my years at AVSForum, the last 6 months is the worst I can recall for people posting about problems mainly caused by their own lack of understanding & not something inherently wrong with the gear per se.

I've owned Pioneer Elite receivers since 2003 and never had a single problem with any of them, incl the new SC-68. The SC-68 has been flawless & I've used new things to me anyway, like the i-app, internet radio, airplay off an i-phone, etc. I do not use Pandora but had no problems with the FW update issue that many did because of sensitivity to the type of flash drive being tried. quirky but not a defect per se.

that said, there's always the chance of getting a true defective electronics product. your chances of getting a defective one is very small. if you're that concerned, you can hookup something temporarily to check it out, wait the 2 wks & if there's a problem, you still have some time for an exchange with your dealer (30 days is typical).

my advice is to start reading the manual, especially if you want to do multirooms, how to use MCACC, how to setup speaker configurations or plan to use heavy networked capabilities.

many of the networking issues are not the receiver but router/wifi related. for example, the combo cable modem-router-gateways that ATT Uverse and sometime Comcast use are problematic and don't allow certain networked streaming to work reliably or at all. if you have one, call your cable co and get a conventional modem & buy your own router OR install your own wifi router/adapter into the gateway & not use the built-in router features. some of these modem-router gateways just don't work well with receivers according to many posts I've read in Denon/Marantz/Pioneer threads.

if you intend to use the HDMI audio return channel (ARC) feature, this also has been a source for some posts. I admit the manual is not well written on how to setup ARC. But most are finding that using an HDMI cable specifically rated for HDMI 1.4 solves the problem of not getting audio from the TV back to the receiver thru the HDMI cable. I don't think any other brand is any different - it's a quirky HDMI feature that's highly dependent on the TV brand, cable, etc.

and if you think another brand is different, even the $2500 Denon 4520 & $3500 Marantz prepro have a few owners with network adapter problems that needed needed warranty repair.

if you do encounter a specific setup problem, post here & people can help smile.gif

so don't assume your receiver is a dud before you even hook it up! that's premature worrying biggrin.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 4/18/13 at 8:16am
post #394 of 1712
Some speakers are by design has reversed polarity, manual day just skip it. My kef xq has it and my speakercaft five eight has it also. Best I've heard in a receiver. I have a denon 4310 and this receiver, I enjoy this more.
post #395 of 1712
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Originally Posted by IronWaffle View Post

I'm a bit lost what to do. MCAAC insists that two speakers (R and SR) are reverse phase. I've triple checked and they're wired properly.

Thanks in advance for any ideas. Hopefully there's a "duh, why didn't I think of that" solution.

I had two of my speaker with reverse polarity according to MCACC, and I just skipped that step and continued with the calibration without any issues. wink.gif

BY THE WAY, I HAVE GOT NO ISSUE WITH MY 1522 SINCE DAY ONE, IT WORKED FLAWLESSLY!!!! biggrin.gif
post #396 of 1712
Thanks for all the tips, folks! Can't wait to push through MCACC when I get home this evening.

My new speakers (PSB T-2 and center) arrived yesterday and I'm looking forward to taking care of this last step. Well, second-to-last... still need a new stand that can handle the 1522, bigger center and my 55" TV... or get used to stepping over my new toys.smile.gif

Glad your experience was flawless. Mine has been close. A couple weird device glitches (including one serious episode that hasn't recurred) and a few *cough* owner/idiot errors, and a few connection glitches with the app... which reminds me, when I had a problem where the 2012 app wasn't working, I tried the 2013 and it works great. I'm sure some of the features don't work, though.
Edited by IronWaffle - 4/18/13 at 8:59am
post #397 of 1712
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Originally Posted by IronWaffle View Post

Thanks for all the tips, folks! Can't wait to push through MCACC when I get home this evening.

My new speakers (PSB T-2 and center) arrived yesterday and I'm looking forward to taking care of this last step. Well, second-to-last... still need a new stand that can handle the 1522, bigger center and my 55" TV... or get used to stepping over my new toys.smile.gif

Glad your experience was flawless. Mine has been close. A couple weird device glitches (including one serious episode that hasn't recurred) and a few *cough* owner/idiot errors, and a few connection glitches with the app... which reminds me, when I had a problem where the 2012 app wasn't working, I tried the 2013 and it works great. I'm sure some of the features don't work, though.

I look for months for a TV stand, and I ended up buying this one, which is awesome, it on sale due to being discontinued. Here's the link:

http://www.wayfair.com/Hazelwood-Home-56-Plasma-TV-Stand-UW22414-HMC1793.html


A picture of it with my set up:

post #398 of 1712
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

so don't assume your receiver is a dud before you even hook it up! that's premature worrying biggrin.gif
Thanks for the confidence booster ss9001. I am anxious to get this puppy set up and can't yet, so I have lots of time to worry about it rolleyes.gif I bought it from Costco (about an hour and a half away in King of Prussia PA) so there is no time limit on returns but they have a limited supply. I still find that pretty amazing - and combined with the pricing it was a no brainer (I'm good at those LOL).

I do plan on hooking it up directly to the FIOS modem I have, and we'll see what happens with streaming. The transfer rates have been pretty good to date (I've had it for 5-6 years now) and reasonably consistent. I tried wifi before connecting things like this, which is why I went to a solid wire.

I am pretty familair with speaker setups and such. I'll be utilizing the same 7.1 setup that I had formerly on my Denon 3803. I am going to significantly improve my former cabling nightmare with HDMI connections to most of the components and TV, where I had to formerly have audio going one way through the receiver and video through home runs to the TV. Simplification will be a MAJOR benefit to my sanity. My TV (the Sony NX-720 will do ARC, and I'll see what happens in that regard. The HDMI that I will run from the receiver to the TV is a monoprice 12 foot "high speed". Do I understand correctly that 1.3 and 1.4 are really not different with respect tot he cabling?

I think I am going to fool with the MCACC when I get it set up, but Jeff Meier form Accucal who I have had in twice before to do calibrations on Audio and Video said he was going to be in the area in June and I think I will take advantage of that. He is amazing, and brings his toy chest with tens of thousands of dollars of calibration equipment with him. Very nice guy, and exptremely knowledgeable.

I will take the time to read the manual in the mean time, and will be dangerous when I get to put my hands on this thing. I am sure that you folks will have the answers if I mess it up, but I will expect the best and hopefully won't need you.

Thanks again for your reassurance and information!

Jeff
post #399 of 1712
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Originally Posted by IronWaffle View Post

I'm a bit lost what to do. MCAAC insists that two speakers (R and SR) are reverse phase. I've triple checked and they're wired properly.

Thanks in advance for any ideas. Hopefully there's a "duh, why didn't I think of that" solution.
I went through the exact same thing you did, only with mine it was a couple of differnt speakers. Now you may have had them reversed or not all the way in at one poinjt when it first came up it was wrong. Then you went and checked and doubled up to make sure it was all right and then fixed it, most liekly without even knoing it. Now for me to make the error go away, after I made sure all the wires were in good, and nothign was reveresed, I had to do a factory reset, and redo mcacc and the problem was gone.

It seems when you fix the problem, the reciver does not see it as being fixed, till it runs it from scratch with clean memory hence the factory reset. I went through this several time, as I was moving speakers and lining everything up just so. at the end of the day, that is what solved it for me. Hope that helps you.
post #400 of 1712
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Originally Posted by IronWaffle View Post

I'm a bit lost what to do. MCAAC insists that two speakers (R and SR) are reverse phase. I've triple checked and they're wired properly.

Thanks in advance for any ideas. Hopefully there's a "duh, why didn't I think of that" solution.

The MCAAC is reading that the speakers are reversed polarity because of the reflections in your room. Move the microphone up down or side to side and it will go away.

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Originally Posted by JeffCar View Post

Getting more and more concerned.... my HT room is bieing rebuilt after water damage, and I won't be able to hook up the new 1522 until that is completed (~2 weeks). I ran all the way to King of Prussia (an hour and a half from my house) to get the unit, and it seems that there may be some issues right out of the box? It is always hard to tell how many are not having problems - people generally do not post when all is ok, so I am left wondering if I am going to be in the hopefully much larger group NOT having issues or not. I guess only time will tell .

Jeff

I've had no problems at all with mine other than the lack of options on my harmony one remote when I added it to my activities, such as no zone 2 or zone 3 options using the harmony remote.
Edited by mharris2007 - 7/29/13 at 11:45am
post #401 of 1712
My receivers production date is July 2012. Does any one have units with later date? May be my unit has very old software. I tried updating it. will see.
post #402 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Jithtproject View Post

My receivers production date is July 2012. Does any one have units with later date? May be my unit has very old software. I tried updating it. will see.
Dont forget the mandatory update that can only be done via usb.
post #403 of 1712
My 1522k was manufactured in September 2012.
post #404 of 1712
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

if you spend any amt of time in Pioneer threads on the SC models, a whole lot of "issues" are from people not understanding how the receiver works, maybe not taking time to read the manual on certain things or misinterpreting what they read, or trying to do something with the receiver that it's not designed to do, like trying to do HDMI multizones when only the SC-68 can do that wink.gif

IOW - it may be the owner not the receiver that is contributing the most to complaints & issues you may be seeing wink.gif

in many threads & across the board for various models. in all my years at AVSForum, the last 6 months is the worst I can recall for people posting about problems mainly caused by their own lack of understanding & not something inherently wrong with the gear per se.

I've owned Pioneer Elite receivers since 2003 and never had a single problem with any of them, incl the new SC-68. The SC-68 has been flawless & I've used new things to me anyway, like the i-app, internet radio, airplay off an i-phone, etc. I do not use Pandora but had no problems with the FW update issue that many did because of sensitivity to the type of flash drive being tried. quirky but not a defect per se.

that said, there's always the chance of getting a true defective electronics product. your chances of getting a defective one is very small. if you're that concerned, you can hookup something temporarily to check it out, wait the 2 wks & if there's a problem, you still have some time for an exchange with your dealer (30 days is typical).

my advice is to start reading the manual, especially if you want to do multirooms, how to use MCACC, how to setup speaker configurations or plan to use heavy networked capabilities.

many of the networking issues are not the receiver but router/wifi related. for example, the combo cable modem-router-gateways that ATT Uverse and sometime Comcast use are problematic and don't allow certain networked streaming to work reliably or at all. if you have one, call your cable co and get a conventional modem & buy your own router OR install your own wifi router/adapter into the gateway & not use the built-in router features. some of these modem-router gateways just don't work well with receivers according to many posts I've read in Denon/Marantz/Pioneer threads.

if you intend to use the HDMI audio return channel (ARC) feature, this also has been a source for some posts. I admit the manual is not well written on how to setup ARC. But most are finding that using an HDMI cable specifically rated for HDMI 1.4 solves the problem of not getting audio from the TV back to the receiver thru the HDMI cable. I don't think any other brand is any different - it's a quirky HDMI feature that's highly dependent on the TV brand, cable, etc.

and if you think another brand is different, even the $2500 Denon 4520 & $3500 Marantz prepro have a few owners with network adapter problems that needed needed warranty repair.

if you do encounter a specific setup problem, post here & people can help smile.gif

so don't assume your receiver is a dud before you even hook it up! that's premature worrying biggrin.gif


This is a "philosophy" post and I'm only answering on this site because of the above original statements. As technology gets more complex by the day, the buyer/user is apparently expected to keep up with his studies and be alert to an overwhelming increase in subtle "improvements." As my avatar suggests, I was a commercial airline pilot and was always able to get through the complexities of the various airplanes I flew. I had excellent manuals and instructors generous with their time. I also have a M.S. in astronomy, so technical research is familiar to me. That having been said, I find the suggestion that reading the manual is an efficient method to problem solving with our hobby. First of all, the Pioneer doesn't even come with a manual, unlike my old Onkyo which I have thumbed through for years to great advantage.

To save money, we are offered an on-line 123 page document that isn't the least friendly. For example, there is no index, a basic necessity for complex issues. I feel like I'm playing a very expensive game of "Where's Waldo?" I took the time to print and bind this manual but even then it is not easy to hunt through a topic. I'm still trying to negotiate file sharing between my computer and Oppo 103 that should be a simple matter but winds up with buck-passing between Oppo and Windows. A lover of good sound shouldn't have to be either an audio or electronic engineer to enjoy a commercial product. I downloaded the MCACC manual and it is written for upper-division technologists.

I agree that many of us don't try hard enough on our own but that is what a site like AVS is for: interested, generous people helping others to "stand on the shoulders of giants." I also agree that our electronics are for the most part non-defective but the manufacturers are almost totally devoted to removing themselves from the process once they receive their money. At best, we are shunted to English-as-a-second-language conscripts on distant shores who are helpless beyond their instruction manuals.

I find AVS a quite refreshing oasis of fellow travelers trying to make each others journey a little easier. Thank you!
Edited by alnilam1 - 4/19/13 at 10:06am
post #405 of 1712
Thread Starter 
Ironically, if you download the PDF manual from Pioneer and read it on your computer, it is fully linked (e.g. click on the ToC jumps to the chapters) and searchable. But if you print it out, it is not very friendly for you paper copy lovers.

As for file share, as long as you are not trying to make a shared folder yourself, I thought Windows 7 makes it quite easy. Make sure all your music are in the music library and enable the media sharing. That's it. Try to share a file or folder that is not in the library is whole another story. You should not do that because the security settings are way more complex than most can handle.
post #406 of 1712
Luckily I am very familiar with PC technologies and the associated mess of dealing with the Windows operating system. Once I have a chance to get my system up and running I will hopefully be able to chime in on integration issues with that world. I did print the manual out, however, and like alnihlam1 found it a bit lacking in organization, but that is the way of the world these days. It is an after thought to put much in the way of good documentation together on things as they barely get out of development before they are shipped off to consumers. Additionally the technology changes so fast that the documentation has a hard time keeping up with revisions. No, it's not "right" but it is what happens more often than not. Besides documentation is a specific skill that less and less are seeing their way clear to pay for as the margins are squeezed more and more.

SO - our forum is a very valuable source of information, and I thank all who participate!

Jeff
post #407 of 1712
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Originally Posted by alnilam1 View Post

This is a "philosophy" post and I'm only answering on this site because of the above original statements....

since you are referring to my post, I'd like to respond smile.gif

first, I've been active here a very long time, about 10 yrs. and very active in Pioneer threads since that has been my gear & brand of choice for much longer.

I speak from the heart here. I sympathize with your comments about the complexity of features & the generally poor way manuals from almost every CE company (not just Pioneer) are written. the best manuals I've seen are from Anthem & Lexicon for their $9K and $12K preamp/processors wink.gif very descriptive and go into much more details on bass/subwoofer management, crossovers, etc than any consumer mfg has done. but again, they are in a whole other price & market segment and have to cater to installers, dealers & owners who want that kind of support & detail.

IMO, Pioneer's manuals used to be better organized and made more sense, work flow wise, when viewed & read as a bound, written document. It was almost like a small book. As were those from Denon, etc. But more are using them as electronically linked documents these days, with hyperlinks to other sections, and in the case of the AV Nav disc, to showing diagrams of how to wire & connect things, and even a semi-automated setup process that works over the network. IMO, the best examples of this new approach are the electronic Denon 4520 & Marantz 8801 manuals but Pioneer's works good too, used as a linked document to the disc. it works better as a linked document in the disc than as a "book". Pioneer's seems a hybrid, not quite as well linked together but also not as well-organized by chapter, topic, discussion either, so I agree, it could be more user-friendly.

That said, I stand by my assessments that increasingly larger numbers of new owners, newbie owners do not seem to be taking the necessary time to review the product in advance. The evidence from hundreds of posts is of people trying to do jump in 1st & figure it out later rolleyes.gif trying to things that it is not going to do or struggle with setup when it really is described in the manual & on the disc. Plus, IMO lately, some new owners have unrealistic expectations in 4 areas:

1. they expect it to be plug & play, like a PC. modern HT receivers are PC-like but they are NOT PC's and don't act like PC's with a "blank slate" CPU waiting for software to be loaded into memory. they use DSP's with embedded code & use firmware to access & run that code. They do not automatically do anything! they need to be told settings, assigning inputs, selecting audio formats, etc

2. they expect all digital, analog & HDMI audio to be automatically converted one interface to another so they can send any HDMI or digital input to anywhere in a house. this is completely & utterly WRONG! NO receiver made has ever done this nor in the forseeable future will do this. you would need external matrix switchers & outboard converters. at the price points receivers are sold at, extensive matrix switching & converters just aren't included (yet). so why do a lot of new owners believe it should automatically do these things? IF they had LOOKED at the manual, there is a section, clearly marked in the TOC, for setting up multizones and Pioneer, Denon, etc clearly say there is no cross-conversion of digital, HDMI audio and they clearly say only analog connections can be used for multizones 2 & 3. can't they read?

3. some new owners with a setup problem say "it's not in the manual" rolleyes.gif when I can go to the pdf, find the page & post it, sometimes include a snippet from the page, in several min, that tells me that many people:

-are too "busy" to bother
-are unable to focus on what they are reading, preferring to skim read w/o comprehension
-very quick to complain about something not working, or criticize the company when they themselves are at least partically to blame, either directly for doing something "stupid" or indirectly by not taking time to learn
-would rather have someone spend THEIR valuable time looking it up for them rather than spending the time themselves - a feeling they can get free help here because there are enthusiasts here who have taken time to figure things out on their own. yes, AVSForum is full of dedicated enthusiasts who are willing to help a fellow "traveler" but I think I speak for many....there's a fine line between someone who is trying to learn & gets stuck vs. someone who didn't bother to open the pdf or disc.

4. modern HT receivers are complex multi-taskers with huge amounts of networking & connectivity options. many people have the knowledge to setup streaming services & networks, but some don't. they expect it work plug & play & when it doesn't connect, think it's the receiver's fault, when there are routers, modems, switches, cables, wifi settings in play & all have to be setup & work perfectly.

I've read posts from people who threatened to sue Pioneer. and someone else got really mad at Pioneer because he prewired his house without checking to see if the receiver could be used the way he wanted - it couldn't - how stupid is that? arrogance & stupidity...

when every one of my 4 Elite receivers has been flawless, with zero problems, no issues with connectivity, doing updates, setting up a 2nd zone, and using new media features that had no previous experience with, I have to believe it's because I read! rolleyes.gif everything I've ever tried to do with each receiver has worked perfectly.

am I being a curmudgeon? or is this an indicator of how our education system is failing in simple, basic comprehension & reading skills, or increasingly more people just expecting it to work plug & play? I don't know the answer, maybe a little of all of them.

but I do think the problem is real...whether its the complexity of the gear or failure of people to learn how to learn...all CE mfgs have a real challenge on their hands making devices a swiss army knife but having to "train" to the lowest common denominator in owners.

with your credentials, background, education level (MS in Astronomy is pretty impressive, with quantum mechanics & all!) I expect you will take the time to learn and if you get stuck, we're here to help! but you are not Joe 6 Pack who goes into BB and walks out with one of them new-fangled "stereos" eek.gifwink.gif

everyone needs help on occasion & people who know me & my posting history know I spend a WHOLE LOT of personal time here, helping, answering and learning some of the technology in Pioneer AVR's.

BTW- I have a BS in Chem Engr and my career has been in the specialty chemical industry. no details on a forum but I am no dummy & I do know how to read wink.gif this is not my occupation but an expensive hobby smile.gif

no one told me how to setup my 1st Pioneer Elite receiver in 2002-3, no one told me how to setup my gear or learn how to calibrate it, EQ subs with a parametric equalizer, how to do acoustic room treatments, how to do my own programming in software of a complex programmable remote. I did it all on my own & spent a whole lot of learning curve time. and I never feel entitled that this forum owed me free tech help tongue.gif

a few weeks ago, I decided to finally figure out how Apple Airplay worked redface.gif so I got the pdf for my i-phone, read the section, figured out where the icon was and viola, I was making music from my phone smile.gif I didn't come here asking for help. it was MY phone and MY responsibility for learning a feature in an Apple product - not Pioneer's rolleyes.gif but you'll see people who seem to think it's the receiver's fault when they have problems.

I could have hired a dealer/installer but I'm cheap wink.gif so I learned it all DIY. I made some mistakes, the 1st was the room layout with the builder - if I knew then what I know now, I would have changed some things wink.gif

I don't expect new owners to spend the time I have, but I think we can expect folks to at least read a little...don't you?
Edited by ss9001 - 4/20/13 at 3:39am
post #408 of 1712
OK - I just put away my soap box. let's have some fun with our toys biggrin.gif
post #409 of 1712
Could some one help me out please?

I picked up new 1522 yesterday. Made connections. Updated software. No problem so far. I even did auto calibration. Turned on optimum cable box. After a minute pioneer receiver started audio from cable box. After watching CNN, I switched to next channel. And happened again. I lost audio from cable box. I tried for half an hour but with no result. I changed different cables and different boxes too.

Guys any idea?

I get video from cable box without any problem, any channel. My blue ray and dvd players are working fine too.

Very frustrating.

JJ
post #410 of 1712
I went by my Costco yesterday and saw that they still have 4 of the SC 1522 units left.

Would I hear any noticable difference or improvement between the SC 1522 vs. my current amplifier, a Pioneer Elite VSX-94TXH? Is there enough of an improvement with the D3 amplifier over the older A/B design?

I'd be driving a 5.1 system mixed between older Kef Reference speakers (103.2) and the new Kef Q600c center speaker and Q100 surrounds.

Thanks!
post #411 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Jithtproject View Post

Could some one help me out please?

I picked up new 1522 yesterday. Made connections. Updated software. No problem so far. I even did auto calibration. Turned on optimum cable box. After a minute pioneer receiver started audio from cable box. After watching CNN, I switched to next channel. And happened again. I lost audio from cable box. I tried for half an hour but with no result. I changed different cables and different boxes too.

Guys any idea?

I get video from cable box without any problem, any channel. My blue ray and dvd players are working fine too.

Very frustrating.

JJ

rest my case...

OK - not sure about your problem specifically but cable boxes are the least reliable for using HDMI. IF you got audio from the box originally, then it could be due to problems with or an incompatibility with the encrypted handshake between the cable box >> to receiver >> to TV. without knowing a lot of details on your settings, setup and cable box settings, it's hard to say.

here's some things to try in order - and BTW, these settings are all described in your manual

1. on the remote, there is a button labeled SIGNAL SEL. that changes the audio input the receiver will use for any given source input. by default it should be set to Auto and the priority of selecting audio signals is HDMI >> Digital >> Analog. you may have accidently hit this button & selected a different audio signal & you lost it over HDMI. if it's set to Auto which you can see on the receiver display, try changing to HDMI to force it to use HDMI for the CBL input.

2. in Audio Parameters menu, go to HDMI Audio & make sure it's set to AMP not THROUGH. THROUGH blocks audio from being passed. AMP is the default setting

3. try turning HDMI Control OFF & ARC OFF in the HDMI setup menu

4. try different HDMI inputs, swapping HDMI outputs, and different cables. IF the cable run is a long distance, say > 15 ft, cables can make a big difference. some cables can send 1080p > 50 ft and some can't. let us know how long the cable is.

and it could just be an incompatibility between the cable box and the HDMI chipset in the receiver and the HDMI receiver chip in the TV.

this is why...I always suggest using component video and optical/coax digital for cable boxes & forget about HDMI. it's not needed, cable boxes don't pass 1080p, are limited to Dolby Digital and you'll save yourself potential aggravation.

in my own setup, using HDMI with 2 different models of Motorola tuner/DVR's from Comcast, to a Pioneer Kuro plasma, every time I switch channels, there is a multi-second pause when the handshake is broken and re-made. I don't lose connectivity at all but I flip channels a lot & the delay is very annoying. so I continue to use analog HD component (RGB) video cables & dig audio for cable boxes - it works 100% of the time & HDMI is simply not needed. cable companies don't require the encryption that movie studios & the Blu-ray Assoc do wink.gif

if you absolutely insist on using HDMI, post more details but it'll be a crapshoot if there's anything else to try to make it work.
Edited by ss9001 - 4/19/13 at 3:35pm
post #412 of 1712
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jithtproject View Post

Could some one help me out please?

I picked up new 1522 yesterday. Made connections. Updated software. No problem so far. I even did auto calibration. Turned on optimum cable box. After a minute pioneer receiver started audio from cable box. After watching CNN, I switched to next channel. And happened again. I lost audio from cable box. I tried for half an hour but with no result. I changed different cables and different boxes too.

Guys any idea?

I get video from cable box without any problem, any channel. My blue ray and dvd players are working fine too.

Very frustrating.

JJ

If you have this same problem with two receivers, the cable box is the problem, not the receiver. Other than beg your cable provider to update the box firmware or go get a new, hopefully a different model, box, there is little you can do.

And you didn't mention how you update the firmware on receiver. The latest firmware can not be updated via network connection (that one is a few firmware versions behind).
post #413 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Bartok55 View Post

I went by my Costco yesterday and saw that they still have 4 of the SC 1522 units left.

Would I hear any noticable difference or improvement between the SC 1522 vs. my current amplifier, a Pioneer Elite VSX-94TXH? Is there enough of an improvement with the D3 amplifier over the older A/B design?

I'd be driving a 5.1 system mixed between older Kef Reference speakers (103.2) and the new Kef Q600c center speaker and Q100 surrounds.

Thanks!

The new receiver is less powerful than your 94 (it is also less powerful than my 92) if that matters. Otherwise, mainly the differences are features (3D, ARC, video processing). Both 92/94 have difficulties keep up with the latest TrueHD 7.1 decoding on some new discs as well. Not sure if the 1522 can decode them correctly (don't have the disc to test yet). But at least it is easy to update the firmware.
post #414 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

If you have this same problem with two receivers, the cable box is the problem, not the receiver. Other than beg your cable provider to update the box firmware or go get a new, hopefully a different model, box, there is little you can do.

+1
missed that 2 receivers involved.

even if not, I just thought of the possibility that there may be a setting in the cable tuner for switching audio - if dig & HDMI are connected at same time, maybe it turns off HDMI? A possibility anyway, something he could check out if he can access the tuner's menu. The Moto boxes can be accessed at 2 levels I know. Have no idea about other mfgs.
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Cisco cable box outputs both at the same time as well.
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I'm a bit lost what to do. MCAAC insists that two speakers (R and SR) are reverse phase. I've triple checked and they're wired properly.

Thanks in advance for any ideas. Hopefully there's a "duh, why didn't I think of that" solution.

Just click on "next" and continue with the equalization set up.
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Originally Posted by IronWaffle View Post

I'm a bit lost what to do. MCAAC insists that two speakers (R and SR) are reverse phase. I've triple checked and they're wired properly.

Thanks in advance for any ideas. Hopefully there's a "duh, why didn't I think of that" solution.

Just click on "next" and continue with the equalization set up.

Done. And what an audible difference! It's also great being able to see before/after graphical representations on the app.
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Hi Steve,
Thank you very much for your detailed reply.

I went thru manual at least couple of times. And regarding home theater set up I am pretty good at troubleshooting. And if I can not then I always approach AVS for answers.

My set up is:
Epson 6020 FP
Paradigm reference series speakers.
Sony Blu ray
Blu ray dvd changer
Pioneer 1522
Paradigm subwoofer

I had old Yamaha RX v1 receiver. Very good. No problem so far. I just wanted to upgrade to new HDMI inputs as Epson had HDMI inputs.
That is why I could not let Costco deal slip by.

Here is what I did before I posted here.

I went thru HDMI and basic set up menu for 1522
I changed Atlanta Explorer HDMI and audio menu(Cable Box)
I changed HDMI cables at least 5 times. ( I have at least 8 extra sets of HDMI cables, you never know. )
I went to Optimum store to change my cable boxes 3 times.
I changed Pioneer receiver twice.
I used different HDMI inputs on 1522 but to no avail.
My cable boxes works fine with my plasma and lcd TVs.

After all these, when I turn on cable box first, then projector then finally 1522. I get video and audio. As soon as I change channel, I continue getting video signal but no AUDIO. Very very strange.

This is what I did to to bypass this problem.

Right now I have HDMI from my cable box to Epson projector straight. About 20 feet run. No Problem there. I have optical output from cable box to pioneer receiver optical input #1. I assigned that to Cable box. I get audio without any loss when I change channels!!!

It looks like it is a handshake issue betweem cable box and 1522.( HDMI )

I just wanted to make sure i dont have defective Pioneer 1522.

Sorry if I was not very descriptive about my problem.

Is there anything else I can do?

I just checked to make sure I have updated software version.

JJ
post #419 of 1712
Anyone that is using the Pioneer Sc-1522 just for home theater, radio, internet radio, listening to music and video through your PC-are you having any problems? How does it sound/perform compared to what you had?
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

Just click on "next" and continue with the equalization set up.

When I first ran MCAAC I got the same message: my left and left surround speakers were judged miswired. Rather than fight with it, I changed the wiring at the speakers, MCAAC was happy and the process ran. Have I done something that will be noticeable if I go back, wire them correctly and try again? It sounds pretty good to me but then my ears are older than the age of computers.
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