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post #691 of 1712

No risk. Test tones are not at reference level.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1112470/official-pioneer-mcacc-thread

post #692 of 1712
Whoo Hoo... all hooked up and sounding great. No issues that I could perceive with my maiden voyage, but haven't yet tested and utilized all the bells and whistles. MCACC did a pretty good job with the audio setup, and I adjusted the SW according to my taste. Will probably have AccuCal in later this summer to get it "perfect" but it is pretty darn good sounding right now. Initial perceptions are that the sound is more "crisp" than the old Denon 3803, but when pushed a bit, it sounded a bit strident. I didn't seem to hear that same characteristic in the Denon. I'll have to play with it more and see what I can make of it.

Anyway, so far so good, and I am loving the capabilities of the new receiver. Also like the integration of the PC help anual with the setup. It does a nice job of getting to the right parts of the manual as you are accomplishing different tasks. Very cool integration IMHO.

Looking forward to playing with it more as time progresses.

Thanks to all and particularly ss9001 for calming my concerns as it waited in the box for the home theater room to be reconstructed. biggrin.gif

Jeff
Edited by JeffCar - 5/6/13 at 7:42am
post #693 of 1712
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Originally Posted by FarmerBob View Post

These work really good. But be aware. It shows in the pictures of the backs of the plates that there are two RJ-45 jacks on the backs. They are not for daisy chaining. It takes two Cat5e or 6 cables run from one to the other for the situation to work. Plus one or both of the supplied power adapters at each jack depending on if the HDMI source being plugged in has enough power to power the plate. If not you need to use the power adapters.

I just used these in an install (75' run) and the cheaper versions require two Cat cables. The electricians that were running the Cat6 couldn't understand why I needed two. But you do and at $.15 a foot (raw) no big deal. Some more expensive units only require one Cat cable. But those I have seen run in the 100's of dollars and do no more than these will and with the same quality.

Let us know how you do if you go this direction?

FarmerBob, I have used 20+ of these and did the research before buying. The reason why the two wire method is preferred is that HDMI uses 14 pins so for a complete signal you would need the 16 pins from two CAT5 cables (4 Twisted Pair x 2). More info at this link: http://www.cepro.com/article/hdmi_to_cat56_are_1_or_2_wires_solutions_best/
post #694 of 1712
Has anyone tried using the headphone jack yet? I don't have a pair of headphones, but what I do have is a Outlaw Audio OAW3 wireless audio system. I'm using the OAW3 to send a wireless stereo signal from the headphone jack of the 1522 to another amplifier in my Living Room. However, when I insert the 1/4" plug into the headphone jack, the volume in my main system (i.e., the 1522) does not mute like it's supposed to. I still get music playing in my main system. According to the manual, when the headphone plug is inserted in the headphone jack, the music is supposed to automatically be muted, but that's not what's happening. Has anyone else encountered this?

Thanks.
post #695 of 1712
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Originally Posted by N2AUDIO View Post

Has anyone tried using the headphone jack yet? I don't have a pair of headphones, but what I do have is a Outlaw Audio OAW3 wireless audio system. I'm using the OAW3 to send a wireless stereo signal from the headphone jack of the 1522 to another amplifier in my Living Room. However, when I insert the 1/4" plug into the headphone jack, the volume in my main system (i.e., the 1522) does not mute like it's supposed to. I still get music playing in my main system. According to the manual, when the headphone plug is inserted in the headphone jack, the music is supposed to automatically be muted, but that's not what's happening. Has anyone else encountered this?

Thanks.

I plugged in (unconnected) 1/4 plugs, (both stereo and monaural) into the front jack and they both turned off the speakers.

I'm guessing this is just an experiment for you but if you want to listen to headphones you would have to plug something into the jack each time and unplug it when you wanted speakers (once you figure out how to get them shut off as advertised.) For my headphones I use a remote controlled RCA switch box Uninex VS-14 (4 in, 1 out.) I connect each of the 4 inputs to a different piece of equipment's audio output (Apple TV, TiVo, Oppo and my old Go Video DVR) and switch between sources with the included remote.

You can shut off the main speakers with the mute. Sometimes, when I'm having difficulty understanding voices from the speakers, I use the headphones while my wife listens on the speakers. (She didn't spend her career listening to jet engines and has much better acuity.) The Uninex output goes to the headphone transmitter box. I noticed that Costco has a Sony remote headphone system much like mine for about $70.
post #696 of 1712
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Originally Posted by alnilam1 View Post

You can shut off the main speakers with the mute.

Won't shutting off the speakers with the mute also mute the signal going into the headphones? I suppose I can try it and find out when I get home. I don't really use the headphone jack for listening to headphones, I just use it for sending the signal through the jack as a sort of "pseudo-Zone 2" application, because I can't wire the speakers in my living room directly using the Zone 2 speaker outputs. It all works, except for the fact that the speakers in the Main room won't shut-off when the headphone jack is inserted. confused.gif
post #697 of 1712
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Originally Posted by N2AUDIO View Post

Won't shutting off the speakers with the mute also mute the signal going into the headphones? I suppose I can try it and find out when I get home. I don't really use the headphone jack for listening to headphones, I just use it for sending the signal through the jack as a sort of "pseudo-Zone 2" application, because I can't wire the speakers in my living room directly using the Zone 2 speaker outputs. It all works, except for the fact that the speakers in the Main room won't shut-off when the headphone jack is inserted. confused.gif

If a wireless Zone 2 is what you are after then you should be able to use the preouts for Zone 2, (Front Wide or Surround Back depending on your speaker configuration), as the input for your OWA3 transmitter. I don't have an OWA3 to test it but I can say that the preouts for the zone2/3 work if you don't want to run speaker wire to your living room and you have another amp on the receiving end of the OWA3.
post #698 of 1712
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Originally Posted by alnilam1 View Post

I plugged in (unconnected) 1/4 plugs, (both stereo and monaural) into the front jack and they both turned off the speakers.

I'm guessing this is just an experiment for you but if you want to listen to headphones you would have to plug something into the jack each time and unplug it when you wanted speakers (once you figure out how to get them shut off as advertised.) For my headphones I use a remote controlled RCA switch box Uninex VS-14 (4 in, 1 out.) I connect each of the 4 inputs to a different piece of equipment's audio output (Apple TV, TiVo, Oppo and my old Go Video DVR) and switch between sources with the included remote.

You can shut off the main speakers with the mute. Sometimes, when I'm having difficulty understanding voices from the speakers, I use the headphones while my wife listens on the speakers. (She didn't spend her career listening to jet engines and has much better acuity.) The Uninex output goes to the headphone transmitter box. I noticed that Costco has a Sony remote headphone system much like mine for about $70.
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Originally Posted by N2AUDIO View Post

Won't shutting off the speakers with the mute also mute the signal going into the headphones? I suppose I can try it and find out when I get home. I don't really use the headphone jack for listening to headphones, I just use it for sending the signal through the jack as a sort of "pseudo-Zone 2" application, because I can't wire the speakers in my living room directly using the Zone 2 speaker outputs. It all works, except for the fact that the speakers in the Main room won't shut-off when the headphone jack is inserted. confused.gif

Well, I just tried muting the speakers in the Main room, but all that does is mute the signal to the headphone jack, too. I also tried plugging in some earbuds into the 1/8-mini to 1/4" headphone plug, but my Main speakers still continue to play music when they're supposed to be muted. Certainly not a deal-breaker by any means, but it is still annoying nonetheless. I guess the only thing left to do is to permanently leave a L/R RCA-to-1/8 mini jack audio cord attached to the Zone 2 jacks in the back of the 1522 and use it when I need it. Not as easy as plugging something in to the front panel, but it will work just the same.
post #699 of 1712
Just to be sure...you get sound from the headphone jack along with the mains continuing to play? As in, the headphone jack seems to work properly, it just doesn't mute the mains. Does your receiver switch to stereo when you plug into the headphone jack?
post #700 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Dah-Dee View Post

I currently own a harman/kardon AVR 7200, which has just gone blank/dead on me for the third time. First two times, the 'fuse replacement' "trick" worked, but not so far this time, so....

Looks like the 1522 would clearly be an upgrade feature-wise over the 7200, but how about regarding sound quality? The 7200 is a 60+-pound tank that produces full, rich sound; will the 1522 live up to the standard I'm used to in that respect???

Thanks for any and all input! smile.gif

My apologies if this has already been answered but after getting thru page 7, I'm giving up. Did this gentleman's question get answered?

I've got the same receiver (HK AVR 7200), love the sound, really nothing "wrong" with my setup but all this attention being lathered on top of this Pioneer and the price at Costco has me wondering if it's time to finally swap out.

With that, do ANY of you think it would be prudent to actually run a 9.2 setup? My basement would need to cut in two additional ceiling speakers to accommodate and I'm not sure if it'd be worth it or not.

thx!
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I'm pretty sure that you will get sound out of them biggrin.gif

IF I pick one up, I'll be happy to share the Klipsch/Pioneer experience. This thread is killing me!
Edited by TLI - 5/6/13 at 6:53pm
post #701 of 1712
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Originally Posted by N2AUDIO View Post

Won't shutting off the speakers with the mute also mute the signal going into the headphones?

Not the way I explained it. The mute shuts off the main speakers at your receiver but the audio that is going into my switch box never enters my AVR. The only fly in the ointment is the Apple TV where I must use the Toslink optical output passing through an optical/analog converter to RCA because they didn't provide a normal "audio out" set of plugs. It won't pass anything better than straight stereo so if you are watching a DD movie you must go to the ATV settings and turn Dolby Digital off to hear anything through the headphones.
post #702 of 1712
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Originally Posted by thatguyhileman View Post

Just to be sure...you get sound from the headphone jack along with the mains continuing to play? As in, the headphone jack seems to work properly, it just doesn't mute the mains. Does your receiver switch to stereo when you plug into the headphone jack?

Exactly as you described on both counts.
post #703 of 1712
TLI,

I think upgrading to a 1522 will certainly benefit you. While it won't be as "robust" as your 7200, that receiver has seen better days and most likely won't last you much longer as the circuits and boards age. Probably time to move on to something newer at this point. Just don't tell your wife (assuming you have one) I said that!! LOL.
post #704 of 1712
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Originally Posted by alnilam1 View Post

Not the way I explained it. The mute shuts off the main speakers at your receiver but the audio that is going into my switch box never enters my AVR. The only fly in the ointment is the Apple TV where I must use the Toslink optical output passing through an optical/analog converter to RCA because they didn't provide a normal "audio out" set of plugs. It won't pass anything better than straight stereo so if you are watching a DD movie you must go to the ATV settings and turn Dolby Digital off to hear anything through the headphones.

Oh, okay. I guess I misunderstood what you described. I think using the Zone 2 jacks in the back of the 1522 with a dedicated L/R RCA to 1/8" mini jack audio cord will probably be the way I go with this, but it is strange that it won't mute my speakers using the headphone jack, even though whatever's playing goes to stereo once I plug in the headphone jack.
post #705 of 1712
Decided to pick one of these up from Costco last week and have barely scratched the surface, but I am happy so far. Firmware update via USB worked okay with an older 2gb usb stick formatted as FAT (as reported by Windows). The first one I tried was a newer SanDisk Cruizer 8gb formatted as FAT32 and resulted in Update Error 6.

I'm coming from a VSX-01TXH and the OSD and MCACC are much better. Initial calibration is fantastic to my ears. I can't wait to get a little more time to mess with the MCACC in more detail.

I am having one strange issue that I figured I'd document here. Initially I was hoping there would be a magic setting to fix this but it's probably just one of those random incompatibilities. The issue I am having is using a Dell E6520 w/ Nvidia 4200M to output HDMI Audio to the receiver. It works just fine until I turn on my projector (JVC RS-46) and then it refuses to see the receiver, claiming it is "not plugged in".

4200M --> 1522k --> Projector OFF works
4200M --> 1522k --> Samsung TV works
Dvd Player --> 1522k --> Projector ON works
4200M --> 1522k --> Projector ON = Video but no audio
4200M --> VSX-01TXH --> Projector ON works

Drivers are latest and 1522k firmware is latest as updated via USB.

I played with any settings on receiver that looked like it may have some effect on this, the 2 obvious ones being HDMI Out and HDMI Audio. When switching HDMI Out to the the HDMI port the projector is NOT connected to (say HDMI Out 2) then audio returns and works fine. Switching to HDMI Out 1 or All ceases audio again. HDMI Audio is set to AMP, but setting to THROUGH does not change the behavior.

I'm out of ideas to try on this issue and it's not a huge deal but would be nice to be able to use this laptop. If anyone has any ideas let me know.
post #706 of 1712
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Originally Posted by jcorbin View Post

I'm out of ideas to try on this issue and it's not a huge deal but would be nice to be able to use this laptop. If anyone has any ideas let me know.

HDMI handshaking is very sensitive to order. You will probably need to turn the projector on first, then the AVR, then the computer.

post #707 of 1712
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

HDMI handshaking is very sensitive to order. You will probably need to turn the projector on first, then the AVR, then the computer.

If I turn the projector on, then the AVR, then plug in the HDMI to the already running laptop, is that the same from the HDMI handshake perspective?
post #708 of 1712
This is sort of a "duh" moment for me. I was looking at my Roku Streaming Stick that I bought from Oppo for $50. It is, naturally, plugged into my Oppo MHL plug on the front of its panel. I took it out and inserted it into the 1522's MHL socket, pushed "MHL" on the Pioneer's remote and there it was: full HD video and audio from Netflix. I'm not sure what advantage all this is but it works and I've never seen the Pioneer's MHL function mentioned here before. (You have to be an Oppo owner for the $50 deal. It's supposed to be functionally the same as the Roku 3.)
post #709 of 1712
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Originally Posted by jcorbin View Post


If I turn the projector on, then the AVR, then plug in the HDMI to the already running laptop, is that the same from the HDMI handshake perspective?

No, because the laptop probably won't "shake."

Generally not a good idea to plug and unplug live cables of any kind anyway.

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post #710 of 1712
I have tried use both the hdmi outputs and it will only send the same source to both. This is just like a splitter and not a matrix switcher.
post #711 of 1712
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

No, because the laptop probably won't "shake."
Generally not a good idea to plug and unplug live cables of any kind anyway.
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:shrug: Do it all the time with the laptop, which results in the oddly satisfying "bum bum" sound from Windows as the video resets and I would assume a handshake is taking place. Nevertheless, I will give your suggestion a try and report back. Thanks for the feedback!
post #712 of 1712
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Originally Posted by phenyle View Post

I have tried use both the hdmi outputs and it will only send the same source to both. This is just like a splitter and not a matrix switcher.

correct. the only 2012 models with a 3rd independent separate zone, "matrix" HDMI output are the SC-68 & SC-67. in all the rest, the 2 HDMI outs play the same source.
post #713 of 1712
Here is what my eq settings look like and where I like it. What do these settings mean? There is no reference to frequency. I have found this option to help out a ton.

Does anyone else use this option much? If so what do your settings look like and why?
post #714 of 1712
^^
ahh, the classic smiley face from the 80's & 90's days of putting external equalizers on home & car audio - boosted lows, boosted highs eek.gif
sorry, guy, you didn't discover anything new wink.gifbiggrin.gif
post #715 of 1712
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^
ahh, the classic smiley face from the 80's & 90's days of putting external equalizers on home & car audio - boosted lows, boosted highs eek.gif
sorry, guy, you didn't discover anything new wink.gifbiggrin.gif

LOL! Used to run the smiley face with the equalizer on the system in my car!
post #716 of 1712
I guess what I'm asking (being the noob I really am) is if I should be using this eq option, is there a better way to adjust the eq and what do those settings mean? This method seems the easiest way to get real time results rather than going into the home menu of the receiver and making adjustments that are time consuming and don't yield instant results to compare.

Thanks
post #717 of 1712
Picked up one of these from a Costco about a month ago, and I'm loving it. I recently upgraded my 5.1 to a 7.1 setup by adding surround rear channels. So far this has been awesome just running with the normal "auto surround" mode, but I'm trying to figure out how to get the most out of the 7.1 setup.

With so many output modes, I'm getting really confused. Wondering if an expert could offer some advice - from what I'm able to tell, you can run multi ch in + DPL2x movie/game/music to have the receiver add processing to either 2 or 5.1 channel sources to distribute them (discrete) to your 7.1 speakers. I've tried it and I can't tell a huge difference over just using native processing (auto surround). I like the sound of Pioneer's "optimum surround" mode, which I assume does something similar, but seems to really use the surround channels more. Anyone have any idea which one of these is doing what? It'd be nice to know which one to use in which situation. Are there any other options (other than the presets like rock, hall, acoustic, mono, etc) for taking 2 or 5.1 sources to 7.1 (with surround rears, not front height or wide)?

Also, with 5.1 high def audio (TrueHD, LPCM, DTS-MA), is it best to use native processing or should I (again) use multi ch in + DPL2x?

Thanks all
post #718 of 1712
Seems like limitation in technology-i have same problem. The receiver will Airplay audio but not video- how frustrating can that be ! I have a movie on my Ipad that i would like to Airplay but i only get the audio . the solution is to watch the video portion through the Ipad and the audio through the Receiver. great sound but smal picture. great match.tongue.gif
post #719 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Chris Campbell View Post

Picked up one of these from a Costco about a month ago, and I'm loving it. I recently upgraded my 5.1 to a 7.1 setup by adding surround rear channels. So far this has been awesome just running with the normal "auto surround" mode, but I'm trying to figure out how to get the most out of the 7.1 setup.

With so many output modes, I'm getting really confused. Wondering if an expert could offer some advice - from what I'm able to tell, you can run multi ch in + DPL2x movie/game/music to have the receiver add processing to either 2 or 5.1 channel sources to distribute them (discrete) to your 7.1 speakers. I've tried it and I can't tell a huge difference over just using native processing (auto surround). I like the sound of Pioneer's "optimum surround" mode, which I assume does something similar, but seems to really use the surround channels more. Anyone have any idea which one of these is doing what? It'd be nice to know which one to use in which situation. Are there any other options (other than the presets like rock, hall, acoustic, mono, etc) for taking 2 or 5.1 sources to 7.1 (with surround rears, not front height or wide)?

Also, with 5.1 high def audio (TrueHD, LPCM, DTS-MA), is it best to use native processing or should I (again) use multi ch in + DPL2x?

Thanks all

I used to like PL2x for all my processing on my old receiver. But this receiver also supports DTS Neo.X. So recently, I use Neo.X all the time. You can see Neo X disscussion here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1305065/dts-neo-x.
post #720 of 1712
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Originally Posted by mikeloxlong View Post

yeah, customer service said:
I guess I gotta buy another AppleTV for the basement

I tried to Airplay an Amazon rented movie from Ipad to Apple Tv to Receiver and it didnt work. I probably should have rented the movie from itunes-that would have probably worked,
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