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post #811 of 1713
gee, I wonder where mitchgx is? I thought he'd be helping answering people's questions this evening.

yeah, I thought so...
post #812 of 1713
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Originally Posted by croikee View Post

I just purchased this receiver. It replaces a Denon 5.1 unit from 2001. That unit had no HDMI inputs, they were not out yet, so you can see the jump in tech I am making. For any individuals with this receiver, any setup suggestions for someone who has not had a new receiver for 12 years? Is the iphone app worth it?

Also, when my receiver was out, it was only Dolby Digital and DTS, like plain DTS. Now I'm seeing DOlby True HD, DTS HD, DTS Neo x etc. Are all of these on blu-ray disks and it just takes a receiver that has those to use them? Are they worth it over Dolby Digital and plain DTS etc? That stuff is all new to me.

I am running some old but solid 5.1 energy speakers, no room for a 7.1 setup yet. If that even matters smile.gif

try to look through the interactive manual on the CD that comes the receiver. or download the pdf from Pioneer's web site. the interactive actually has connection & wiring help.

iphone app is worth it, not just a novelty. it's convenient but can be a little quirky on connectivity depending on how good your router is. if it loses connection to the receiver, try turning the phone off & back on again, most of the time that restores connection. I have no idea why but it does.

all the new hi-rez audio formats are on the Blu-ray discs and you select the one to use in the disc's menu. you can add post processing, like ProLogic IIx, IIz, NeoX or THX using the receiver's remote, iphone app or a 3rd party universal remote. post processing will add derived rear channels, height's or wides depending on which speaker setup you have & configure in the receiver (9.1, 7.1, 5.1) yes, they are worth it, because they are lossless not lossy like standard Dolby Digital/DTS. many Blu-rays will have std Dolby Digital or DTS as back-up formats but there's no reason to select them with a new modern receiver that can decode TrueHD & DTS-Master Audio.

I'd start using the receiver in Direct mode, to get just what's on the disc (5.1 usually). then start experimenting with Auto Surround and try Optimum Surround, Dolby ProLogic II (you don't have rears, so if you set your speaker configuration to 5.1, then you won't get the option to use IIx, just II, same with DTS Neo), THX and see which ones appeal to you. Each post processing mode has a Movie mode & a Music mode, use accordingly. each one does things a little differently, and you may like one more than another. for example, I don't like the effect of using THX but some do smile.gif

make sure you do the MCACC room calibration. place mic where you normally sit, but use a tripod or mic stand to place it where your ears are not put the mic in the seat itself. lacking a tripod put it on the seat back but make sure there is nothing blocking the sound from any speaker.

for speaker configuration, look at pg 6 & 19 to see your choices & pick the one you want to use. for 5.1, you can also have a zone 2 in another room or use the extra amps for passive bi-amping, F & G are the 5.1 choices. you could also start thinking about adding rear, height or wide channel speakers smile.gif

hope this helps get you started thinking...smile.gif
post #813 of 1713
Wow Steve thanks a TON! ONce you started talking about bi-amping you started speaking a different language but everything up to that point I think I followed, so thank you! smile.gif I'm at work right now or I'd have my nose in the manual, just trying to get a head start.

So, my understanding is that DTS HD and DD True HD are the decoders in real time whereas THX and Pro Logic II etc. are almost like "after effects" to the DTS HD etc? Is that accurate?

All I know about THX is that they have really cool storm advertisements on my Star Wars DVDS smile.gif Thats good to know this comes with an auto calibrator and mic, that was my one worry when compared to a Denon I was looking at. Thank you again!
post #814 of 1713
just to piggy back off ss9001's comments.

For you croikee, going from Dolby/DTS to Dolby True HD/DTS Master Audio will most likely be very noticeable and will WOW you. While my receiver wasn't 12 years old, it was about 7 so I was generally in the same boat as you.
As far as MCACC goes, the receiver may tell you a speaker or two are out of phase, just quickly verify your wiring is correct and run MCACC again. A few of us, including myself, had this happen a few times but then the "out-of-phase" warning goes away. However, if it doesn't, I believe the manual states to double-check the wiring and continue on.

ss9001 (or anyone else) can correct me if I wrong, but Dolby ProLogic II & DTS NEO are both algorithms that will take an audio source for a certain number of speakers and matrix it up to a larger number of speakers (stereo -> 5 or 7 speakers, or 5.1 input -> 7.1 or 11.1 output), and is dependent on the signal it is receiving. However THX mode will apply a number of pre-coded modifications (always the same regardless of the signal it is receiving) to the incoming audio signal before outputting it. Similar to the way the receiver always shows Dial Norm +4 when it detects an incoming DTS encoding.

I was under the impression that you would primarily use the THX mode for a movie that was THX certified to reproduce the audio track exactly the way it was intended.
post #815 of 1713
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Originally Posted by phenyle View Post

The front input is only for MHL ready devices. I connect the laptop to the BD input in the back and it is running windows 7. i open mobility center and said connect external display.
Excellent smile.gif I had it connected to a different input. Does it only work with the BD input? Thanks for this smile.gif
post #816 of 1713
Anyone who is itching to flex the muscles of this unit, may I suggest buying (or better yet dust off the old library card and borrow) the blu-ray version of Master & Commander and watch the opening cannon scene. I'm sure Saving Pvt. Ryan is just as good on blu, but I only have the DVD version and I prefer DTS over Dolby.

Just be nice and give anyone else in the house (or your apt. neighbors) a courtesy heads up....unless you're that guy. wink.gif
post #817 of 1713
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post #818 of 1713
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Originally Posted by newavsmember View Post

OK, Would love to hear if any others were able to use the MHL especially with Galaxy S II.
I spoke with Samsung support about a month ago and they said the S3 will only play music. It is not fully mhl compatible with this receiver. I would guess its the same for the S2.
Edited by wpbpete - 5/15/13 at 8:18am
post #819 of 1713
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

gee, I wonder where mitchgx is? I thought he'd be helping answering people's questions this evening.

yeah, I thought so...

You just can't let it go, can you? Mitch hit the nail on the head.
post #820 of 1713
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Originally Posted by Pioneer_Elte View Post

Anyone who is itching to flex the muscles of this unit, may I suggest buying (or better yet dust off the old library card and borrow) the blu-ray version of Master & Commander and watch the opening cannon scene. I'm sure Saving Pvt. Ryan is just as good on blu, but I only have the DVD version and I prefer DTS over Dolby.

Just be nice and give anyone else in the house (or your apt. neighbors) a courtesy heads up....unless you're that guy. wink.gif

Yeah I've been using it to test out the 1522 and a denon 2113 and also PLIIz vs Neo x height which seems quite subtle. Not those canon blast though! smile.gif
post #821 of 1713
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Originally Posted by wpbpete View Post

I spoke with Samsung support about a month ago and they said the S3 will only play music. It is not fully mhl compatible with this receiver. I would guess its the same for the S2.

I guess I got lucky it played for a little bit for whatever reason. I wonder if Galaxy Note II or upcoming Note 3(whenever that might be) will be MHL compatible.
post #822 of 1713
Do you notice an appreciable difference in using the front-height speakers? My system is set for 7.1 but I'm curious about 9.1 (height not wide).
I'm reluctant on spending a few hundred dollars on 2 additional speakers to find out it's not that impressive and I'm not going to use them much. Especially since most blu-rays are 5.1 with most Disney and the occasional recent release being 7.1.
I saw Expendables 2 and the new Dredd was optimized for Neo X, but thought it was for probably about 5% of the film and more of a novelty (like things jumping out of the screen just for effects sake with 3D movies)
post #823 of 1713
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Originally Posted by toddRiffic View Post

Not those canon blast though! smile.gif

I just saw your thread on quad-subs. That canon scene must scare the crap out of your family!
You look like you could have a whole day of fun if you got your hands on a Blu-Ray DTS Demo disc.
post #824 of 1713
I have been looking at getting a Denon 4520 or 4311 to run an 11.2 setup using a secondary amp for the front heights or wides. Can anyone confirm if this Pioneer can do that with its preouts?
post #825 of 1713
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Originally Posted by Pioneer_Elte View Post

Do you notice an appreciable difference in using the front-height speakers? My system is set for 7.1 but I'm curious about 9.1 (height not wide).
I'm reluctant on spending a few hundred dollars on 2 additional speakers to find out it's not that impressive and I'm not going to use them much. Especially since most blu-rays are 5.1 with most Disney and the occasional recent release being 7.1.
I saw Expendables 2 and the new Dredd was optimized for Neo X, but thought it was for probably about 5% of the film and more of a novelty (like things jumping out of the screen just for effects sake with 3D movies)

I can't say that It's a appreciable deference for me in my room. I had my builder prewire for heights, but i wouldn't go to the trouble of pulling wire that already isn't there based on what I've heard. I may just leave the wire behind the drywall for now and use the extra speakers in the bedroom instead of mounting the heights.

I even volunteered my wife for blind listening test. I switched between the DTS 7.1 track and Dolby Pro Logic Z and DTS neo x processing. When I ask her to describe the difference she only commented about the bass and treble being the difference and she said nothing about the heights.

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post #826 of 1713
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Originally Posted by Pioneer_Elte View Post

I just saw your thread on quad-subs. That canon scene must scare the crap out of your family!
You look like you could have a whole day of fun if you got your hands on a Blu-Ray DTS Demo disc.

The Canons scare the crap out of my three dogs for sure! Quad subs > height speakers. smile.gif


I downloaded the ultimate bass demo disc from the forum but I haven't got a chance to play with it yet. frown.gif
post #827 of 1713
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Originally Posted by ronhender View Post

I have been looking at getting a Denon 4520 or 4311 to run an 11.2 setup using a secondary amp for the front heights or wides. Can anyone confirm if this Pioneer can do that with its preouts?

Hi Ron, a fellow Atlantan I see.

unfortunately, current Pioneer models can only do 9.2 at one time even with preamp outs. The limitation is in the speaker setup configuration.

The 1522 is limited to rears + heights, rears + widths, but not heights + widths at the same time. The 4520/4311 can do all 11 channels simultaneously using preamp outs I believe. the rest of the new Elites usually get announced in June-July timeframe so hopefully you'll see true 11.2 preamp capability in them in time for your needs. look for Pioneer announcements smile.gif but if you can't wait to find out, the 4520 would be an excellent choice...but if you want a true apples to apples comparison, you should be comparing the 4520 to the Pio SC-68 not the SC-1522, since both are the flagship models with similar features, amp power & prices.
Edited by ss9001 - 5/15/13 at 11:34am
post #828 of 1713
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

I don't think you are compare apples to apples. SC-1522 is a $1500 receiver sold at $600. Denon 2313 is a $800 receiver sold at similar price. Not the same. The comparable Denon will be 3313. Not to mention Costco's life time return warranty.

I agree that the SC-1522 is a great deal at Costco. Full disclosure--I own stock in Costco. Costco does not have a lifetime warranty on electronics anymore. They have a 90 day return policy--if you change your mind, bring it back. They also have a two year warranty--if it breaks, bring it back and they give you a new one or give you your money back. (You avoid the hassle and expense of shipping to the manufacturer for repairs.)

Costco is essentially a buying club. Membership fees make up more than 80% of their profi. They strive to sell quality merchandise at low prices so that people continue to renew their membership. Costco has a deal with all the manufactures of the electronics that it stocks that if an item gets returned (working or not), it goes back to the manufacturer and refunds whatever Costco paid them for the unit.
post #829 of 1713
Thanks Steve.... I was hoping for 11.2, but at the $600 price point I may be able to live with 9.2 for the time being smile.gif Denon's web site has refurbished 4520s for $1500, though... decisions, decisions.
post #830 of 1713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NeilYoungsCat View Post

I agree that the SC-1522 is a great deal at Costco. Full disclosure--I own stock in Costco. Costco does not have a lifetime warranty on electronics anymore. They have a 90 day return policy--if you change your mind, bring it back. They also have a two year warranty--if it breaks, bring it back and they give you a new one or give you your money back. (You avoid the hassle and expense of shipping to the manufacturer for repairs.)

Costco is essentially a buying club. Membership fees make up more than 80% of their profi. They strive to sell quality merchandise at low prices so that people continue to renew their membership. Costco has a deal with all the manufactures of the electronics that it stocks that if an item gets returned (working or not), it goes back to the manufacturer and refunds whatever Costco paid them for the unit.

Only computer. camera and TVs fall into 90-day policy, not all electronics. Read their return policy carefully. I recently returned a Seagate External HDD after more than 7 months of purchase (it started to show bad sectors) and got a full refund w/o problem.

Here is a direct quote from Costco.com
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Merchandise: We guarantee your satisfaction on every product we sell with a full refund. The following must be returned within 90 days of purchase for a refund: televisions, projectors, computers, cameras, camcorders, touch screen tablets, MP3 players and cellular phones.
post #831 of 1713
Could someone help
Me with AirPlay on my iPhone? I know where the icon is supposed to be, it's not there. I read the manual on network setup. The LAN cable goes from the Comcast wireless router straight into the receiver. In network setup all the info was filled in automatically.

I can listen to Internet radio, so I'm assuming its connected. Plus the iPhone app works. I have yet to find a screen where I put in the name and password for my network. Could that be it?

I also haven't found the receiver on my network from my Mac, though I don't know how to do that anyway lol.
post #832 of 1713
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by croikee View Post

Plus the iPhone app works. I have yet to find a screen where I put in the name and password for my network. Could that be it?

No, that's only for wireless connections. Since you use LAN cable directly, there is no need for that. Only music works on AirPlay. So, try play some music to see if it can find the receiver. Video will not work.
post #833 of 1713
Maybe I'm just looking for the airplay button on my iphone in the wrong place. I'll play music on my iphone via the "music" app that comes with it. Then I'll double tap the home button (as per apple's instructions) and scroll, but no airplay symbol is found anywhere.

I'm not trying video, just music.
post #834 of 1713
I vaguely remember clicking on the AirPlay icon on the iPad AVControl2012 app. I'll check when I get home because just the other day I had the audio from the iPad play through the receiver regardless if it was music, video or an iPad app.

Question for you croikee. Is the Comcast router the only router that you have?
If so, make sure you're iphone is connected to that router and not somehow using a neighbor's who may have a stronger signal than you. If you do have another router connected to the Comcast router that you use as your wireless router, it won't work. It may sound weird, but you have to have both both devices connected (wired/wireless) to the same router. Even though routers can be "daisy-chained" together, it won't see anything up or down the chain.

The only exception would be if the 2nd router is hard wired to the first one, has DHCP turned off and both routers use the same exact wireless SSID/password/WPA. Then essentially both routers will be acting as one with the first router giving out the local IPs.
Edited by Pioneer_Elte - 5/16/13 at 10:40am
post #835 of 1713
No my iphone is connected to the wireless router, the same one that the reciever is plugged into. Is there a way to confirm that the receiver is actually networked? Is there a status screen I could see or a way for me to view that on my computer?
post #836 of 1713
Both AVR and iPhone need to be connected to the same network. My kids, wife and I have no issues using airplay. You can't use airplay via the icontrol app. You have to go to whatever music file your are playing on your device and in the lower right corner the airplay icon should be visible. Click on it and choose SC-1522 to be used for playback.
post #837 of 1713
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Originally Posted by croikee View Post

No my iphone is connected to the wireless router, the same one that the reciever is plugged into. Is there a way to confirm that the receiver is actually networked? Is there a status screen I could see or a way for me to view that on my computer?

Go under the AVR network settings, and it should have an IP address. If it has an IP address then that should pretty much let you know it is connected to your network.
post #838 of 1713
Thanks so far for the help, no luck but I appreciate the replies. GusGus yes there is an IP address. I'm using my iphone 5 to attempt the airplay, no icon in the lower right. Don't know what else to try.
post #839 of 1713
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Originally Posted by croikee View Post

Thanks so far for the help, no luck but I appreciate the replies. GusGus yes there is an IP address. I'm using my iphone 5 to attempt the airplay, no icon in the lower right. Don't know what else to try.

So, I'm using iPhone 4s, which should have the same iOS. If you play a song in your phone there is a little square icon with a triangle in the middle? The other way you may try using airplay is by using iTunes too. If you have music and / other movies files in iTunes you can use airplay as well.

Another option, would be to turn off all the devices connected to your router. Turn off your router by disconnecting the power cable. Wait for 10 sec. Reconnect the power, wait for it to cycle and completely turn one. Then turn on all the other devices. May be by resetting your router it will fix the issue.
post #840 of 1713
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Originally Posted by croikee View Post

Thanks so far for the help, no luck but I appreciate the replies. GusGus yes there is an IP address. I'm using my iphone 5 to attempt the airplay, no icon in the lower right. Don't know what else to try.

I had problems trying to find that &&&& icon, too. mine is an i-phone 4S. there's someplace you have to tap on the screen to get it to appear. I'll check the 4S user guide in a min. but yours may be different.
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