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I have a Sammy plasma - PN51E8000. I've calibrated the the display using CalMan5 and my i1Pro, and for what i can do, things look great. 10 pt GS is below dE of 1, CMS primaries/secondaries are below 3, and the "color checker" shows all swatches at decent ( below 4) dEs. BUT - I cannot calibrate the 3D of this display very well. GS is limited to only cuts and gains, and the CMS cannot be changed from the single custom calibration that you get from a 2D calibration. The Mini3D seems like a fix (though expensive) so I'm considering putting it into the chain. I do have a few questions: 1) It looks like I can store several configurations with the Mini. Will it automatically select the correct profile (2D or 3D) when I switch the display? 2) Has anybody calibrated a similiar display for the 3D output? I assume that, using Calman, I can force the display into 3D mode, attach and connect the active glasses, and run an autocal for the Mini. 3) If I autocal the display in 2D using the Mini, and also autocal the display in 3D, how do I assign the results to the proper output?

Thanks for any input you can give. I'll probably also post this in the Calibration forum to see how the pro calibrators play the game.
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You might get a better response in the Mini 3D thread, however I can tell you that it has 8 CMS memories (which include the 21 point greyscale and gamma adjustments). These can be selected by assigning them to 'Output memory slots' (memA, memB, etc). However, with careful set up you can set it up so that for different input frequencies and also whether 2D or 3D it will use a prechosen CMS. In other words, automatic selection based on your set up choices.

I'm not familiar with the 3D options (though I've come across them in the menus) since I don't watch any 3D myself due to headaches. However, as an example:

Using input 1 memA you could set it so that for 720p input CMS1 is used. For 1080/60p CMS2 could be used and 1080/24p CMS3 could be used. That way you'd leave the Mini3D controls alone and if the input resolution changes (or perhaps you use your amp to do the HDMI switching further upstream of the Mini3D) then the above CMS settings would automatically be applied.

I'm 99% sure the same choices and results can be achieve for 3D inputs so perhaps for 2D 1080/60p it would use CMS2 (as above) but for 3D 1080/whatever??? then it would use CMS4.

I hope this is of some use, but ask on the Mini3D thread in the video processors section for more information: IMHO it's a cracking little device (I' ve had mine over 2 years now and they keep updating it with free upgrades such as the more recent 125 point CMS/autocal).
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I have a Sammy plasma - PN51E8000.... The Mini3D seems like a fix (though expensive) so I'm considering putting it into the chain. I do have a few questions: 1) It looks like I can store several configurations with the Mini. Will it automatically select the correct profile (2D or 3D) when I switch the display? 2) Has anybody calibrated a similar display for the 3D output? I assume that, using Calman, I can force the display into 3D mode, attach and connect the active glasses, and run an autocal for the Mini. 3) If I autocal the display in 2D using the Mini, and also autocal the display in 3D, how do I assign the results to the proper output?

Thanks for any input you can give. I'll probably also post this in the Calibration forum to see how the pro calibrators play the game.

1) The Radiance detects 2D verses 3D (and also input rate/resolution). You can set it up to automatically select any of the 8 output CMS (and mode and style separately) memories for 2D and a different one can be automatically selected for 3D CMS (and mode and style separately). You can also automatically select a different CMS for different input resolutions.

2) If you have a good reflective colorimeter you can shoot through 3D glasses. You would need to make sure to cover the IR receiver in the glasses so they are "open" 100 percent of the time. This is because the 50% duty cycle of open/close used for 3D will likely mess with the readings. Be careful since the glasses can reduce light and so increase reading errors shooting through the 3D glasses.

3) You select the output CMS for each input mode in the Menu.Output.OutputSetup menu. If you do purchase a Mini-3D, information on this is in the manuals, and you can check out our TechTips on our support page. Then, if you have additional questions, you could email or call lumagen support for help.
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