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post #1141 of 3147
Regarding Hitting "PAUSE" Button While Doing A Recording....
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

The actual recording process continues, but the monitoring (playback) of the video currently being recorded stops/starts just like the normal pausing of previously recorded material.

Sorry, I'm a little confused by what you wrote here.
Are you confirming what I noticed? Or, telling us something different?
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Edited by nickle2 - 7/25/13 at 7:28am
post #1142 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

The actual recording process continues, but the monitoring (playback) of the video currently being recorded stops/starts just like the normal pausing of previously recorded material.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickle2 View Post

Sorry, I'm a little confused by what you wrote here.
Are you confirming what I noticed? Or, telling us something different?

On the Sony DHG and also on the TiVo, if you hit the Pause button while recording the DVR continues to record (unlike a VCR which truly pauses).
The video image on your screen will pause while the DVR continues to record in the background. On the Sony & TiVo, the pause function during recording acts just like the pause function during playback, as far as what you see on the screen. But the recording always continues in the background (as scheduled) and is never interrupted.

Clear now?
post #1143 of 3147
Moron Recording Process. Or.... Hitting "PAUSE" Button While Doing A Recording:
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post


On the Sony DHG and also on the TiVo, if you hit the Pause button while recording the DVR continues to record (unlike a VCR which truly pauses).
The video image on your screen will pause while the DVR continues to record in the background. On the Sony & TiVo, the pause function during recording acts just like the pause function during playback, as far as what you see on the screen. But the recording always continues in the background (as scheduled) and is never interrupted.

Clear now?

Yes, Thanks! Much easier for me to understand.

This might be the "norm" for some or all DVR's but still it is not the way it should work.
If the precedence was set with VCR's and tape recorders then why was that standard changed with DVR's?
That is a rhetorical question.
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always continues in the background (as scheduled) and is never interrupted.

In my example.... this was not while doing a "scheduled recording" It was doing a recording that was manually started by hitting the RECORD button in the remote. That situation might be different. Will have to try that to see.
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post #1144 of 3147
I used the words "as scheduled" but in truth it makes no difference how the recording was initiated.. scheduled, manually started, etc.

The recording continues in the background so that you don't miss out on any of the source program while you are paused. You could be watching a manually initiated recording as it records (then your phone rings, you get hungry, or you have to go relieve yourself) and you can hit pause then go do your thing and come back whenever and continue watching. This is different from a VCR, and it's better than a VCR. The only thing a VCR would allow you to do that the DVR won't allow is to "edit" out parts of the source while you are recording. But if you ever tried that with a VCR you know that it's extremely difficult to cut out commercials on the fly while recording . . .
post #1145 of 3147
Does the Homeworx version (or flashing an Iview with its firmware) have less bugs? I don't think I've seen a bug list for the Homeworx. Do they know 24/7 as days/weeks? Can recording span midnight?
post #1146 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Does the Homeworx version (or flashing an Iview with its firmware) have less bugs? I don't think I've seen a bug list for the Homeworx. Do they know 24/7 as days/weeks? Can recording span midnight?

Yes it has fewer bugs and a couple of us have already stated that those bugs you asked about were fixed. It is not bug free - still has the Guide problems for instance - but since there is a separate thread for the Homeworx, I'm not personally going to make an exhaustive list of any bugs for it in here. I did previously offer that if a particular bug were important to anyone, and they were actually considering switching to the Homeworx or its firmware, I would check if it worked on the Homeworx firmware. (I do not have an actual Homeworx box and remote).
Edited by jprc - 7/25/13 at 11:11am
post #1147 of 3147
Cheers. The Homeworx thread is just less active and organized. For those not reading it, the Mediasonic guy there has said there may be a QAM optional firmware made available in the future.

If so, that would make it a solid choice over the iView. I was just wanting to sort out what bugs to expect.
post #1148 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickle2 View Post


This might be the "norm" for some or all DVR's but still it is not the way it should work.
If the precedence was set with VCR's and tape recorders then why was that standard changed with DVR's?
HD DVRs seem to all act this way, no way to PAUSE the recording for things like commercials. SD DVRs(like DVD Recorders) do allow pausing of the recording when in the record mode, when in the playback mode(chase playing while recording) the pause just pauses the playback. If there is a HD DVR that allows the recording to be paused I'm not aware of it and truthfully it would probably be too confusing for people and they'd end up pausing the recording when all they wanted to do was pause the playback.
post #1149 of 3147
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Cheers. The Homeworx thread is just less active and organized. For those not reading it, the Mediasonic guy there has said there may be a QAM optional firmware made available in the future.

If so, that would make it a solid choice over the iView. I was just wanting to sort out what bugs to expect.


Well, the things that stick out to me that were fixed were Daily and Weekly recording, recording spanning midnight, Daylight savings setting (and unlike with the iView I have not, so far at least, had the time zone reset to default). To me, the recording aspects make the switch worth it, so I really stopped looking for what else may still be broken except for the EPG.

Also, the ONLY time I've experienced a freeze/reboot since installing this firmware is when paging through the EPG (which also happens on the iView) - this is much better than the iView for me which was rebooting for various reasons (and sometimes no apparent reason) at least a few times a day. I'm not saying it won't reboot for any other reason, but the difference is huge for me since I was constantly dealing with this problem.
Edited by jprc - 7/25/13 at 12:07pm
post #1150 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Has anyone checked to be sure that the iView truly records .m2ts and not .ts? It wouldn't make much sense for it to convert .ts to .m2ts when recording, so I wouldn't be surprised if the extension is just wrong.

Actually the iview extension is mts.
As for your question whether it could indeed be m2ts, that would be above my knowledge scale.

I do know that the extensions mts, m2ts and m2t are similar.
Also, I have actually renamed m2ts (blu-ray file) to ts and have it to play in a media player.
As best as I can tell, the difference between ts and m2ts is the packet size and its not much.

Here's a definition of terms:
"M2T, m2ts, mts
The .mts, .m2t and .m2ts are a container file format for multiplexing audio, video and other streams. It is based on the MPEG transport stream container and is also known as BDAV MPEG-2 transport stream. This format is commonly used for high definition video on Blu-ray Disc and AVCHD and HD Camcorders. It usually contain AVC/H264 or MPEG2 video."

I did mention earlier in thread, put the output from iview onto blu-ray disc and it played fine on my blu-ray player.
But as far as how compliant it is....there are levels of compliance with blu-rays that probably could make a thick book...

My thought on this is the packet sizes would need to be analyzed carefully to know exactly what the output from the iview is along with all the other info to know for sure.

To change from mts to ts only involves changing the packet size and wrapper...same for m2ts so no re-encoding is necessary.
This can either be accomplished with avidemux or tsmuxer...possibly with a few other progs.

There are 3 outputs 'sizes" from the iview.

I have text files from media info, I'll see if I can post it up.
post #1151 of 3147
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 442 MiB
Duration : 6mn 19s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 9 766 Kbps

Video
ID : 49 (0x31)
Menu ID : 3 (0x3)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 6mn 18s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 8 789 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 80.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Active Format Description : Full frame 16:9 image
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.141
Stream size : 397 MiB (90%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio #1
ID : 52 (0x34)
Menu ID : 3 (0x3)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 6mn 19s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -286ms
Stream size : 17.4 MiB (4%)
Language : English
Language, more info : Clean effects
Name : en:audio-0

Audio #2
ID : 53 (0x35)
Menu ID : 3 (0x3)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 6mn 19s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -176ms
Stream size : 8.69 MiB (2%)
Language : Spanish
Language, more info : Clean effects
Name : en:audio-1

Text #1
ID : 49 (0x31)-CC1
Menu ID : 3 (0x3)
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 6mn 18s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #2
ID : 49 (0x31)-1
Menu ID : 3 (0x3)
Format : EIA-708
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 6mn 18s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Menu
ID : 48 (0x30)
Menu ID : 3 (0x3)
Duration : 6mn 19s
List : 49 (0x31) (MPEG Video) / 52 (0x34) (AC-3, English) / 53 (0x35) (AC-3, Spanish)
Language : / English / Spanish

Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 63.3 MiB
Duration : 1mn 2s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 8 557 Kbps

Video
ID : 65 (0x41)
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 1mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 7 818 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 80.0 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 59.940 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.142
Stream size : 57.7 MiB (91%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio #1
ID : 68 (0x44)
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 1mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -516ms
Stream size : 1.42 MiB (2%)
Language : English
Language, more info : Clean effects
Name : en:audio-0

Audio #2
ID : 69 (0x45)
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 1mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -509ms
Stream size : 1.42 MiB (2%)
Language : Spanish
Language, more info : Clean effects
Name : en:audio-1

Text #1
ID : 65 (0x41)-CC1
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 1mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #2
ID : 65 (0x41)-1
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Format : EIA-708
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 1mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #3
ID : 65 (0x41)-2
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Format : EIA-708
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 1mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Menu
ID : 64 (0x40)
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Duration : 1mn 2s
List : 65 (0x41) (MPEG Video) / 68 (0x44) (AC-3, English) / 69 (0x45) (AC-3, Spanish)
Language : / English / Spanish

General
ID : 1737 (0x6C9)
Complete name : G:\HBPVR\MeTV-05082013-1228.mts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 144 MiB
Duration : 6mn 37s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 3 045 Kbps

Video
ID : 65 (0x41)
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 6mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 721 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 2 905 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.263
Stream size : 129 MiB (89%)
Color primaries : BT.601 PAL
Transfer characteristics : BT.470 System B, BT.470 System G
Matrix coefficients : BT.601

Audio
ID : 68 (0x44)
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 6mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -452ms
Stream size : 9.10 MiB (6%)
Language : English
Language, more info : Clean effects

Text
ID : 65 (0x41)-CC1
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 6mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Menu
ID : 64 (0x40)
Menu ID : 4 (0x4)
Duration : 6mn 37s
List : 65 (0x41) (MPEG Video) / 68 (0x44) (AC-3, English)
Language : / English
post #1152 of 3147
I moved to the Homeworx firmware last night after receiving my remote control that I purchased.

The Homeworx remote is much nicer than the iView's. That in itself is awesome. Better range, don't have to get a magnifier to find the buttons I need.

The front display is now "- - - -" and the channel buttons on the front of the iView box don't work anymore. But I didn't like the display and I never used the buttons, so that's fine with me.

Almost all of the annoying bugs are fixed in Homeworx's firmware. I don't see myself going back. I realize some people need QAM and as such they may not have an option. But if you don't need QAM, I'd move this direction and never look back. Probably going to buy another unit for a different room, will just go with the Homeworx box for that one and be done.
post #1153 of 3147
My iview is now a Homeworx since I got my remote today. I will not go back to the iview firmware at all. The homeworx remote is nicer has some weight to it and works a lot better over the iview remote.

To add no - button but not needed. Say you want to go to 6-2 just type 06-2 and hit ok it well go right to 6-2.
post #1154 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve(MS) View Post

Actually the iview extension is mts.

I know. The MTS extension only exists for systems that use the limited DOS naming convention that requires file extensions to be no more than three characters in length. It is exactly the same as M2TS. The BDAV file system uses MTS to retain compatibility with SD cards that are formatted with various incarnations of the FAT filesystem.

As for the difference between M2TS and TS, the M2TS format is a slight extension of the regular TS format to make it more friendly for random-access media, such as DVDs and BDs. A vanilla TS is only designed for linear reception, e.g. over DTV, which wasn't designed to promote easy seeking within a recorded file.
post #1155 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickle2 View Post

Remote Controls
Did they make changes to the Users Manual to go along with the new button assignments?
If not they will look pretty bad "Right Out Of The Box".
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They changed it to show the new remote buttons.

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post #1156 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

I know. The MTS extension only exists for systems that use the limited DOS naming convention that requires file extensions to be no more than three characters in length. It is exactly the same as M2TS. The BDAV file system uses MTS to retain compatibility with SD cards that are formatted with various incarnations of the FAT filesystem.

As for the difference between M2TS and TS, the M2TS format is a slight extension of the regular TS format to make it more friendly for random-access media, such as DVDs and BDs. A vanilla TS is only designed for linear reception, e.g. over DTV, which wasn't designed to promote easy seeking within a recorded file.

My above reply is not quite accurate because I was combining terms in one sentence.
I do know for a fact TS packet size is slightly different from M2TS.
I do not know if there exists packet size differences between MTS and M2TS.
According to you reply, which I accept as is...since I didn't know one way or the other, MTS seems to be the same as
M2TS...or there abouts...

So if that is true MTS=M2TS and in this case of the iview, then a simple rename of the extension would work.
This will be good to know because of my last 2 sentences below when dealing with editors.

I do know some editors will not open a MTS but will open TS and also M2TS.
Probably by design of software.
Edited by Steve(MS) - 7/25/13 at 4:57pm
post #1157 of 3147
Is there an EPG with clear QAM?
post #1158 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave95 View Post

Is there an EPG with clear QAM?

It depends on your cable company. Cox removes the PSIP data in my market so if I had the iView on the cable I wouldn't have either the EPG or a clock.
post #1159 of 3147
Thread Starter 
The Homeworx remote improves on some issues, but the layout is very illogical. The solution is still a learning remote with a layout that you are use to.

The Rec & Stop buttons are in one place, the Play & Pause are in another. Why aren't they together like all other recorders or players?
The Play & Pause buttons are too small. Play is one of the most important functions.
The FF, Rew, Prev & Next button setup is confusing. The position of the Next & Prev should be reversed, but a straight rocker button would make more sense,
The least used number pad should be at the bottom.

My display is completely dark, no dashes. The red "Power" LED is always lit. You can't tell if the unit is on or in standby, the green LED does not light up.
The Guide does still lockup and the data doesn't always clear when changing channels, leaving listings from the previous station.
All recording seemed to record including ones that span midnight.
That non working channel sort under the misnamed "Program" tab isn't there.

Regarding the firmware file structure, I don't know why Homeworx's version only has one file. I haven't tried to flash with only the one iView file.

I haven't had time to converse with iView due to other projects and work. Next week for sure.
post #1160 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve(MS) View Post

I do know some editors will not open a MTS but will open TS and also M2TS.
Probably by design of software.

Good programs will actually parse the file to determine its content, but there are certainly some tools that will solely rely on the extension to determine if a file is valid for processing.
post #1161 of 3147
This is the reply I received from Evelyn at iView from my email about the remote control issue (Post 1116).

Hi,

Thank you for your suggestions. I have given your suggestions to management and I am waiting on their response. I really do appreciate it.

Thank You,

Evelyn

It does show me that iView is at least listening to the members of the forum. Evelyn noted in one of her post that the firmware is being updated. The remote already been changed. According to astan's post 1155 the user's manual has also been updated. These are all good signs for those of use who own the 3500STB. VideoBruce's post 1159 shows the HomeWorx doesn't have all issues fixed either. So, we all should wait and see what iView can come up with for firmware fixes before we abandon the ship. It does look like they are working on a solution.
post #1162 of 3147
Regarding IView Documentation

The menu on the screen for Channel Search (V7) shows the following 6 items:

Auto Search
Manual Search
Country
Antenna Power
Signal Type
Modulation.

The documentation I have and also the latest that is on the website only documents the first 2 items in the menu. There is NO mention of the options for Country, Antenna Power, Signal Type and Modulation. So in addition to major firmware issues there are serious documentation issues.

I have not checked the other major menu items to see if the sub items are also missing documentation. Channel Search was important to me because of my continuing reception missing issues.
post #1163 of 3147
Just received my Homeworx 150PRV. Here are some pictures, if more desired let me know.
The first thing I noticed is the small number of ventilation openings, second is the smaller power supply, noticeable the transformer. The main board appears nearly the same, does have an empty connector to the right of the USB board connector by tuner. Of course I will be interested in temperatures.









post #1164 of 3147
Can anyone tell me why my TV can pick up QAM channels and the IVIEW can not?
post #1165 of 3147
Gary,

Did you read post #3?

How does your TV get the QAM channels?
post #1166 of 3147
Yes I've tried to get the channels by scan and manual entry. My TV a Panasonic just has the Cable connected from the wall no cable box. I get about 70 Channels on basic cable, but only 15 or so from the Iview the OTA and shopping channels CSPAN PBS.
post #1167 of 3147
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Edited by jprc - 7/26/13 at 1:50pm
post #1168 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary1234 View Post

Yes I've tried to get the channels by scan and manual entry. My TV a Panasonic just has the Cable connected from the wall no cable box. I get about 70 Channels on basic cable, but only 15 or so from the Iview the OTA and shopping channels CSPAN PBS.

Hi Gary. What's your zip code and who is your cable supplier?

post #1169 of 3147
Thread Starter 
johnnyrw2;
Great pics. Yes, it is a completely different PS and much smaller. Also;
2. A Winbond chip replacing the Nanya memory chip,
3. A four pin socket next to the RF enclosure,

Can you take a closeup of that Winbond chip and the number? Also, what are the dimensions of the enclosure? It surely looks deeper.
post #1170 of 3147
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Hi Gary. What's your zip code and who is your cable supplier?
Zip is 23464 Cox cable is my supplier
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