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post #1171 of 3164
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Originally Posted by Gary1234 View Post


Zip is 23464 Cox cable is my supplier

Well, you don't have many cable channels, but you can check here:

 

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:23464#lineup_9881911

 

Compare that to your TV since I have found SiliconDust not always accurate.

post #1172 of 3164
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

johnnyrw2;
Great pics. Yes, it is a completely different PS and much smaller. Also;
2. A Winbond chip replacing the Nanya memory chip,
3. A four pin socket next to the RF enclosure,

Can you take a closeup of that Winbond chip and the number? Also, what are the dimensions of the enclosure? It surely looks deeper.

I'm running the temperature test now, I'll take the picture after. Temps are interesting so far.
I need to check out something later too, it seems the 150PVR may not be as responsive to inputs as the iView, but I need to look at that later.

The 150 PVR chassis is slighty larger in width and depth (front to back), I'll get that later also.
post #1173 of 3164
johnnyrw2's, First Look Under The Hood....
Plus, A couple of questions to those who received the latest 3500's
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Originally Posted by johnnyrw2 View Post

Just received my Homeworx 150PRV. Here are some pictures, if more desired let me know.
The first thing I noticed is the small number of ventilation openings, second is the smaller power supply, noticeable the transformer. The main board appears nearly the same, does have an empty connector to the right of the USB board connector by tuner. Of course I will be interested in temperatures.

Some differences I see right away in the PS is that the front power switch is connected directly to the primary half of the PS. On the 3500 the power switch is connected to the main board. The main board of the 3500 might not tell the PS to do anything. Looks like there might be some difference between turning the HmWrx off with the remote and the manual switch. I don't see any added conductors between the two boards that would be for logic, Please check the HmWrx PS outputs and let us know if any voltages are always present on the main board and the what those voltages are. We know that with the 3500 we have constant 5 & 12 VDC. I'd bet that the HmWrx PS always outputs the 5VDCto the main board and the front panel button switches the 12vdc on and off.

For some reason(s) there is a difference in how the HmWrx STB are powered.
I'd have to pull my 3500 PSB out to check this. On the PS there is a jumper CN2 located next to where the AC connects (CN1) to the PS. This very well could be where a separate power switch would be connected.

Will be interested to see what temp reading you get.

Can't tell from your photo. Is there a different heat sink on the main processor?

Looks like the footprint of the case is deeper (front to back).

The silk screened PCB number on the main board (KLF7816-ATSC-01 A3) is the same on both HmWrx and the 3500.
The PCB itself exactly the same (so same board number) but that does not necessarily mean that all components would be exactly the same as used on the 3500, Components could be different and still share the same footprint and solder pads. Example would be on the memory chip...... Same basic chip but with a higher capacity.

It would be interesting to see if the latest shipped 3500's have a different PS. Hint, Hint wink.gif

Question to anyone who has one of the recently released STB3500 PVR's

Only if your are capable and wiling, Can you look inside the 3500 and report if the power supply is different from the one pictured on page #1 of this thread.

Also...
In the set-up menu on the INFORMATION page where it shows the firmware version V7, Does it still show "TEST" and what is the actual version number.
On the firmware V7 some of us are running, Our 'Information page reads:
Model ATSC - TEST
SW Version CL630133 130618 V7

Just curious to see if the V7 we have is any different from that being shipped.
I checked on the iView site and they not have V7 available for owners to download.
Since they posted V2 for up-grading I'd think they would make available V7 which is being shipped with new STB's.
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Edited by nickle2 - 7/26/13 at 2:48pm
post #1174 of 3164
The Winbond Memory Chip:

I think this is the same number that is on Johnny's memory chip.

Source - http://www.winbond.com/hq/enu/ProductAndSales/ProductLines/SpecialtyDRAM/DDR2SDRAM/
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post #1175 of 3164
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Originally Posted by Gary1234 View Post

Yes I've tried to get the channels by scan and manual entry. My TV a Panasonic just has the Cable connected from the wall no cable box. I get about 70 Channels on basic cable, but only 15 or so from the Iview the OTA and shopping channels CSPAN PBS.

Seems to me that your TV might have a cable card in it.
post #1176 of 3164
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

johnnyrw2;
Great pics. Yes, it is a completely different PS and much smaller. Also;
2. A Winbond chip replacing the Nanya memory chip,
3. A four pin socket next to the RF enclosure,

Can you take a closeup of that Winbond chip and the number? Also, what are the dimensions of the enclosure? It surely looks deeper.

The Winbond chip:
W9751G6KB-18
6242AM800072
306PUA TWN

The 150 PVR is approximatley 5/8 inch deeper (Front to Back). Width and height are very close to same as the 3500. It appears to me the added depth is for the mechanical on-off switch.

post #1177 of 3164
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post


Seems to me that your TV might have a cable card in it.

Very good point. From their web site:

 

** An HDTV set and an HD receiver or CableCARD rental required. Clear QAM HDTV sets will receive local HD broadcast channels without equipment rental. Cox TV Essentials and/or Cox Advance TV required for some HD channels. Programming originating from each HD network may not be in true HD format; some channels may be Standard Definition. All programming subject to change and may not be available in all areas

 

I wonder if Gary rents a cable card and/or what model Panasonic TV he uses.

post #1178 of 3164
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Originally Posted by nickle2 View Post

johnnyrw2's, First Look Under The Hood....
Plus, A couple of questions to those who received the latest 3500's
Some differences I see right away in the PS is that the front power switch is connected directly to the primary half of the PS. On the 3500 the power switch is connected to the main board. The main board of the 3500 might not tell the PS to do anything. Looks like there might be some difference between turning the HmWrx off with the remote and the manual switch. I don't see any added conductors between the two boards that would be for logic, Please check the HmWrx PS outputs and let us know if any voltages are always present on the main board and the what those voltages are. We know that with the 3500 we have constant 5 & 12 VDC. I'd bet that the HmWrx PS always outputs the 5VDCto the main board and the front panel button switches the 12vdc on and off.

For some reason(s) there is a difference in how the HmWrx STB are powered.
I'd have to pull my 3500 PSB out to check this. On the PS there is a jumper CN2 located next to where the AC connects (CN1) to the PS. This very well could be where a separate power switch would be connected.

Will be interested to see what temp reading you get.

Can't tell from your photo. Is there a different heat sink on the main processor?

Looks like the footprint of the case is deeper (front to back).

The silk screened PCB number on the main board (KLF7816-ATSC-01 A3) is the same on both HmWrx and the 3500.
The PCB itself exactly the same (so same board number) but that does not necessarily mean that all components would be exactly the same as used on the 3500, Components could be different and still share the same footprint and solder pads. Example would be on the memory chip...... Same basic chip but with a higher capacity.

It would be interesting to see if the latest shipped 3500's have a different PS. Hint, Hint wink.gif

Question to anyone who has one of the recently released STB3500 PVR's

Only if your are capable and wiling, Can you look inside the 3500 and report if the power supply is different from the one pictured on page #1 of this thread.

Also...
In the set-up menu on the INFORMATION page where it shows the firmware version V7, Does it still show "TEST" and what is the actual version number.
On the firmware V7 some of us are running, Our 'Information page reads:
Model ATSC - TEST
SW Version CL630133 130618 V7

Just curious to see if the V7 we have is any different from that being shipped.
I checked on the iView site and they not have V7 available for owners to download.
Since they posted V2 for up-grading I'd think they would make available V7 which is being shipped with new STB's.
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150 PRV Power supply to main board.
Manual switch off ----0V / 0V
Manual switch on ----5V / 12V.....Remote on---5V / 12V..........Remote off---5V / 12V

The processor heat sink is the same except it is turned 90 degrees from the 3500
Edited by johnnyrw2 - 7/26/13 at 4:17pm
post #1179 of 3164
Of course I haven't read the manual. smile.gif Think the reason I thought it was not as responsive as the 3500 is because I have to double click power on the remote to go from standby to on and other way round. Doing that makes a world of difference. I assume it is in the manual.
post #1180 of 3164
Hi Everyone,
We just received word from our engineers that the firmware is close to being finished. The changes that have been made and are working are the time adjustment issue. The daylight saving has been added and works properly. Hopefully this eliminates a lot of the missed recordings from the previous firmware versions. I know that was one of the biggest problems and I am glad to announce our engineers fixed it. The EPG works a little bit faster now and in order to use the page up and down there must be two or more pages of scheduling available. For our French speaking customers the new firmware includes French in the OSD Language. We are currently re-testing the weekly and daily schedule recordings as well as the midnight recording, so please bear with us. Today during our conversation with the engineers we highly suggested to change the display to show the proper channel. We also mentioned that some of you on the forum have experienced freezing while using the EPG and/or the Menu. For johnnyrw2, the two files that appear when updating the firmware are there because one of the files is used by our engineers when they are fixing the firmware and the other one is used when installing the firmware on the converter box. I hope we have a new firmware soon and I will continue to update all of you.




Evelyn
post #1181 of 3164
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Originally Posted by IVIEW View Post

We are currently re-testing the weekly and daily schedule recordings as well as the midnight recording, so please bear with us.

Please take as much time to test as you need. If the new firmware fixes all of the problems you mentioned, it would be a major step in improving the DVR's functionality.
post #1182 of 3164
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Originally Posted by IVIEW View Post

Hi Everyone,
We just received word from our engineers that the firmware is close to being finished. The changes that have been made and are working are the time adjustment issue. The daylight saving has been added and works properly.
....

Evelyn

Thanks for the update. By time adjustment issue are you referring only to the daylight saving or will we be able to manually set the time instead of obtaining it from whatever station we happened to be tuned into?
post #1183 of 3164
jprc

<<< Are you sure you didn't format it as FAT32 because that sounds like how the iView treats a FAT32 USB drive. If you didn't format it as FAT32, it's still possible it's confused because of the size of the drive. Even though someone else's drive above the supported size may work fine, it's no guarantee yours will. I would try reformatting it again. If you've already formatted as NTFS from the iView menu, then try the format from your computer and see if there is a difference. Otherwise, I'd try other versions of the firmware. >>>

I let the iView format the drive.
If I format the drive on my laptop, which format should I use?
post #1184 of 3164
I kaint reed 2 gud. Nevermind.
post #1185 of 3164
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Originally Posted by Ferguson View Post

I kaint reed 2 gud. Nevermind.

I think this means you re-read and figured out it's supposed to be NTFS. I'm pretty sure from your first response that you did indeed format it as FAT32 and that your problem will be resolved when formatted as NTFS. On the iView menu you have to choose if you want it formatted as NTFS, it does not automatically choose it for you. If you left it at the default option, which it sounds like you did, it would be formatted as FAT32.
post #1186 of 3164
The format menu on the 3500 has two options - Usb1/C and Fat32 - only when you hit OK with Usb1/C highlighted does it say anything about NTFS.
Confusing.
I formatted the drive on my laptop to NTFS.
Thanks for the help.

Update - formatted the drive to NTFS & did a 30-minute recording.
I got two segments, one of 511 MB and a second of 148 MB.
Back at square one.
File type is AVCHD video (.mts extent)
Edited by Ferguson - 7/26/13 at 9:58pm
post #1187 of 3164
Originally Posted by IVIEW View Post

We are currently re-testing the weekly and daily schedule recordings as well as the midnight recording, so please bear with us.

If possible, please release the pre-release version of firmware. A number of members will be very happy to check it out and
confirm with test report and suggestions. I have both IV3500 and HW-150. I think IV3500 has more features such as display and
the remote has more keys. If IV3500 can improve the remote keys(bigger keys and better keys response), it will be a better product when compare with HW-150.
post #1188 of 3164
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Well, you don't have many cable channels, but you can check here:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:23464#lineup_9881911

Compare that to your TV since I have found SiliconDust not always accurate.
Using this site i was able to setup the 25 channels it lists. What I dont understand is why my TV picks up almost a hundred channels stuff like Fox News or FX but the IVIEW doesn't?
post #1189 of 3164
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Very good point. From their web site:

I wonder if Gary rents a cable card and/or what model Panasonic TV he uses.
My model is a TH-50PX60U the Panasonic web site list these Tuners "NTSC (Standard analog broadcasts) ATSC/QAM (SDTV and HDTV broadcasts)" no cable card in the TV.
post #1190 of 3164
Has anyone been able to get the 3500STB to work with GoogleTV by using the Homeworx firmware?
Edited by chuckboycejr - 7/27/13 at 8:56am
post #1191 of 3164
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Originally Posted by Gary1234 View Post


Using this site i was able to setup the 25 channels it lists. What I dont understand is why my TV picks up almost a hundred channels stuff like Fox News or FX but the IVIEW doesn't?

Since you don't have a STB for the TV, some channels may be analog. Also, you probably paid more in sales tax for the TV than you paid for the iView. Knowing it needs PSIP and I don't have any, I had to drop it from my shopping list for now.

 

BTW, I get 22 analog and 140 digital channels (including the music). Channels like FX or Fox are only SD. My 10 HD channels are the "locals".

post #1192 of 3164
ok, so I am simply going to assume that the 3500 STB will not work with Google TV (except as a generic video source - which is worthless...) and that the manufacturers have no intention of addressing this in a future firmware update anytime soon.

Would that be a safe guess?

I have tried v4 and now v7 and my Logitech Revue will neither recognize the iView 3500STB as a available source nor can it be added manually.
post #1193 of 3164
wow. v7 is really bad.

when I click on EPG on the iView remote I see listings for the channel (not immediately, there is a delay) BUT the interface freezes and I need to pull the plug from the power outlet to escape the listings menu.

yikes.
post #1194 of 3164
I have given up on the idea of updating firmware and have reset to factory default.

If the manufacturer isn't even confident enough to offer a firmware upgrade on its own web site, I'm not going to waste my time.

This product is really a piece of crap.
post #1195 of 3164
This is my initial AVS forum post. I have been considering the purchase of an iVIEW-3500STB or a HomeWorx HW-150PVR. I live in the NE area of the Olympic Peninsula in WA, shielded from most OTA originating in Seattle. I subscribe to cable TV via a homeowner’s association at a bulk rate, and I am not using a cable box. The cable supplier recently increased unscrambled digital stations to 100, and reduced unscrambled analog stations to 20. The 100 digital channel #s that I see on my TV range from 21.1 to 62.4, and 14 are HD, the rest are SD. I think it is safe to assume that the digital stations are QAM. QAM reception is therefore critical to me, and I consider its absence a deal-killer. I also consider the current functional deficiencies (daily and weekly recording, clock setting, EPG screen display, etc.) of the iVIEW a deal-killer.

I don’t know which manufacturer will eliminate my deal-killers first, if at all. According to the mfrs’ recent comments regarding firmware changes (reported in this thread), iVIEW may be addressing the worst (and the easiest to fix?) deficiencies, and HomeWorx may enable QAM.

In the meantime, I will watch and wait, although prices may rise if and when the issues are resolved. Maybe MCM Electronics Stellar Labs DT-1200, available September 17, will work for me if the other unit issues are not resolved by then. But the DT-1200 has its issues also: for one, the need to correct portions of their manual that describe HomeWorx hardware that are in conflict with photos of what are probably prototypes.

Both the iVIEW and the HomeWorx units have issues with their remotes. Post #1159 suggests using a learning remote with a layout that you are used to. Since I don’t have a learning remote yet, I will be looking for one that is good at a reasonable price, like the RCA RCRP05BR recommended in another AVS forum and thread.

My potential applications are to determine the feasibility of the following:
1. For a neighbor’s replacement of cable company-supplied cable box, which she currently needs to feed her TV monitor (no integral tuner) - she is not interested in recording.
2. To augment the integral TV tuner in my mini desktop Lenovo Q700 which when scanned no longer finds any digital channels.
3. To use with a Mac Mini or other future replacement of my Q700, instead of a TV tuner stick.
4. To use with my analog-only Panasonic DMR-EH75V DVD recorder connected to my HDTV.
5. To connect directly to a suitable input on my HDTV.
6. To confirm that the digital converter’s USB connected to a computer can see and use the computer’s hard drive.

If the units don’t change the channel #s from what I currently receive on my TV, I will need to find out how to select and tune to a 4-digit channel # such as 34.11 (34-11), depending on the remote capabilities.
post #1196 of 3164
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Originally Posted by Innovadon View Post

This is my initial AVS forum post.

5. To connect directly to a suitable input on my HDTV.
 

If your TV has a "banner" for the digital channels with program information you may be getting PSIP data also. No PSIP, no clock.

post #1197 of 3164
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Originally Posted by nickle2 View Post


Plus, A couple of questions to those who received the latest 3500's

It would be interesting to see if the latest shipped 3500's have a different PS. Hint, Hint wink.gif

Question to anyone who has one of the recently released STB3500 PVR's

Only if your are capable and wiling, Can you look inside the 3500 and report if the power supply is different from the one pictured on page #1 of this thread.

Also...
In the set-up menu on the INFORMATION page where it shows the firmware version V7, Does it still show "TEST" and what is the actual version number.
On the firmware V7 some of us are running, Our 'Information page reads:

Model ATSC - TEST
SW Version CL630133 130618 V7

Just curious to see if the V7 we have is any different from that being shipped.
I checked on the iView site and they not have V7 available for owners to download.
Since they posted V2 for up-grading I'd think they would make available V7 which is being shipped with new STB's.
..

The PS looks the same as the one on page #1. Looks like the same hardware and confirmed by the System menu below.

In the set-up menu on the INFORMATION page it shows:

Model: ASTC - TEST
SW Version: CL630133 130618 V7
HW Version: KLF7816-ATSC-01
post #1198 of 3164
First time poster here:

I just got mine the other day. Thanks to the great work done by the folks in this forum, I was well-prepared for some of the pitfalls I was facing. I'm a novice electronics user. I have found it to be a solid performer so far. I have tried both OTA and QAM setups. As expected, the OTA experience has been simpler. The tuner is strong and I get as good or better reception than my plasma's built-in tuner gets with the same antenna. Now that tv is in a different room at the opposite end of the house, so it's not a perfect comparison. But the bottom line is I receive the stations I should get with a set of rabbit ears where I live. The picture quality is outstanding. The QAM setup is tedious and I will have to try again to do it manually as VideoBruce recommends. I tried it but found it confusing and didn't really have time to figure it out, so that will have to wait for another day. I did get stations, but as noted it pulls in hundreds of encrypted signals, and there's no easy way to weed through it if you auto scan. I just jotted down the real station #s on a piece of paper that I could recognize. I did test out the pvr capabilities. It will definitely take a little getting used to navigating through the menu with the remote, but it appears to work as expected. Thanks once again to VideoBruce, I set the clock to -4 GMT, which accurately reflects Eastern Time. I am using an old 3.5" HDD I pulled from a mothballed 10 year old desktop. Selecting from the epg, i turned off the iview and noted it turned itself on at the right time and appears to be recording. This was last night, so I'll have to check that it actually recorded the entire hour program (22000-2300 hours). I had earier tried to record a few minutes of a program by pressing the "list" button and then selecting a channel and a program and telling the iview what time to start/stop. That worked perfectly, so I expect (hope) my full hour recording worked as well. The remote is what others have said. While the range isn't nearly as bad as some have described (I get response from about 8-10 ft away), the tiny buttons and layout of the keys is confusing. I always have to stare at it for a while to find the right keys. There's really no rhyme or reason for the way it was designed that I can tell. The other thing that is REALLY frustrating about the remote I haven't seen anyone else have a problem with is it controls my TV---and not in a good way. Pressing certain keys on the iview remote prompts changes on my circa '06 32" Westinghouse LCD monitor! It's unbelievably frustrating. The tv input changes if I hit a certain button, the volume changes if I hit the page up key, it shuts off if I hit the #1 key, which I've actually used to my advantage in being able to turn my tv on/off with the iview remote (ha ha). But every other thing it changes is very bad and very annoying. I don't know how to fix that other than getting a completely different learning remote, and I'm not really excited about doing that.
post #1199 of 3164
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Originally Posted by fsu1mikeg View Post

.... I don't know how to fix that other than getting a completely different learning remote, and I'm not really excited about doing that.

That's not gonna fix it. The learning remote is gonna do the exact same thing once you "teach" it the commands for the iView.
post #1200 of 3164
If you don't need the QAM capability you could flash it with the Homeworx firmware which fixes a few iView bugs and apparently changes the remote codes, oh and if you did this you'd need either a Homeworx remote(which looks nicer than the iViews) or a Harmony remote which apparently has Homeworx codes.
Note Homeworx has said they may be adding QAM capability in the near future but it's not a given.
You could also use your iView in another area and purchase a Homeworx box to use near your Westinghouse TV, they are cheap enough to have a second box.
I did report remote interference with my iView and ChannelMaster CECB, a couple of the keys duplicated and I needed to make sure one remote wasn't controlling the other box. Your report is good to note with anyone with a Westinghouse TV, my father has a Westinghouse and I'll suggest he get the Homeworx if he decides to get a HD DVR.
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