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post #1591 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Innovadon View Post


Being new to the 3500STB, I was trying anything that would provide the correct channel/frequency correlation, like above channel 13, for cable channel 23, -> 219 MHZ, not UHF. Other menu selections weren't doing it for me.

I use MSWord. My cable feed supplies a list of clear QAM. It's not complete but well maintained.

http://www.secv.com/cdocs/qam_sun.pdf

post #1592 of 3152
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Blame your MSO for that one. Guide data is hit or miss. 95% of the time I don't have it, but sometimes it shows on a few select stations. Clearly a TWC problem.
 

Last night Letterman spend 10 minutes on how much he loves TWC. All night long he was making references to "nobody watching anyhow".

post #1593 of 3152
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post


Also is there a way to convert the files to MPEG2 or MPG2? Or AVI?

2 programs I use, although I have yet to use them with the PVR files from the iview or HomeWorx:

SUPER
http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html

And HANDBRAKE
http://handbrake.fr/
post #1594 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Vegas_Vic View Post

Antennaweb is a miserable POS. It shows exactly 1 station for me - a full power Daystar channel that hasn't broadcast in 8 months. However, it misses all the channels from 2 translator districts as well as 2 LP channels.

TVfool is good, and I'd recommend very highly Trip Ericson's rabbitears.info

Trip posts on the local AVS forem I posted about not long ago. http://www.avsforum.com/t/344797/roanoke-va-bluefield-wv-hdtv/6060

He is local but down in NC now if I remember right.
post #1595 of 3152
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Originally Posted by nickle2 View Post

What has happened to our "Full Page Editor" capabilities?

I no longer see any options for text formatting, up-loading images. creating URL links, adding happy faces, etc. on the Reply page.
There is a button to click on that's titled "Full page Editor" But it does nothing.

Anyone else notice this????

Works for me. Both RTE and BB editor. smile.gif

RTE is faster on my old computer.
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Works for me. Both RTE and BB editor. smile.gif

RTE is faster on my old computer.

Must be something with my Firefox browser now because SeaMonkey works just fine.

And... it just Firefox on one particular computer.

Ok Now, Just up-graded to the next version of FireFox and all is good again. smile.gif

Why it stopped working is a...... YAM (Yet Another Mystery)
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post #1597 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Vegas_Vic View Post

Antennaweb is a miserable POS. It shows exactly 1 station for me - a full power Daystar channel that hasn't broadcast in 8 months. However, it misses all the channels from 2 translator districts as well as 2 LP channels.

TVfool is good, and I'd recommend very highly Trip Ericson's rabbitears.info

TVFool misses many of my local stations. Where-as Antennaweb lists them. I guess it is best to check all such sites and not rely on just one.

In addition, Antennaweb is somehow associated with TitanTV (TV Guide type webpage titantv,com)

I agree.... rabbitears.info is a good site with lots of additional information.
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Edited by nickle2 - 8/20/13 at 5:27pm
post #1598 of 3152
Regarding My Options - Re-installing V3.? or HmWrx V10
In Order To Eliminate The Recent Firmware Problems I've Experienced.

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Originally Posted by jprc View Post

Wondering if maybe you want to try switching to a different version or to the Homeworx fw instead of reinstalling the same version. I know you ................

Well I could simply wimp out and go back to HmWrx and maybe not have any of the problems that I've experienced recently.
One of the main reasons many of are here on this thread is to test and evaluate not only the 3500 but the firmware up-grades iView issues.
Other than the recent problems I've seen, I still think that the iview firmware is better than HmWrx.

I have already re-installed the latest iView firmware and will continue to test.
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post #1599 of 3152
Regarding iView's Firmware Numbering System...
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

I think it is V3 because there were only 3 official releases. All the others we got were not official and were for us to test via Videobruce.

Well, my box came with V3 installed. I would assume an official release. As most of us here did,, we up-graded all the way up to V7. And now I'm going back to a different V3? I've never seen anybodies revision numbering scheme so screwed-up and so confusing.

In effort To Pin-Point System Instalbility....
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Yes I had an issue that was strange and it happened with unofficial release V7. Sometimes when I turned the TV on and the Iview box there would not be any OTA TV channel reception. If I shut the IVIEW off and turned it back on the stations would magically appear. It did not happen right away but as I I was messing around switching from component to HDMI at the time and then back to component where I am now. So far no issues.

Since I've come to the conclusion that these STB are not all that stable. It seems to me that most of the weirdness happens after or during a system hand-up or freeze. This time for me, there wasn't any problems prior to the set-up reverting back to most of the default settings.

I've re-installed the latest V3 and will continue to test.
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post #1600 of 3152
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Originally Posted by nickle2 View Post

Ok Now, Just up-graded to the next version of FireFox and all is good again. smile.gif

On the bright side, when the editor was broken, your posts didn't all end with the random

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anymore. tongue.gif

I find that the older your browser is, the better this forum software "works". Old browsers don't support the JavaScript bloat that makes this forum so slow, which is a blessing if you're using an old computer.
post #1601 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

On the bright side, when the editor was broken, your posts didn't all end with the random
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anymore. tongue.gif

Sorry, I don't know how I got into that habit. Maybe since I always end-up going back to edit something and there is always that:
"Edited by nickle2 - Today at 5:27 pm"

crap. afterwards. Didn't mean it to be so annoying. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

I find that the older your browser is, the better this forum software "works". Old browsers don't support the JavaScript bloat that makes this forum so slow, which is a blessing if you're using an old computer.

Funny thing was that it just stopped working for no apparent reason.
I was thinking that the editor used java and that might be the cause of the problem.
But again, nothing was changed on this end. Then I thought that the I was being throttled back because I take advantage (and then some) with all the non standard HTML tricks available to those who dare experiment. cool.gif
post #1602 of 3152
I wanted to use my Harmony remote but there's no code for Iview. I read in area that we should use Homeworx update on Mediasonic to update the Iview 3500 to act as a Homeworx HW-150PVR to resolve Harmony issues. There were several updates on the Mediasonic Forum board and the few I tried were not tranferrable to the 3500. Is there anyone who has done this, and if so what updates are needed to make this work. confused.gif
post #1603 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Dashing31 View Post

I wanted to use my Harmony remote but there's no code for Iview. I read in area that we should use Homeworx update on Mediasonic to update the Iview 3500 to act as a Homeworx HW-150PVR to resolve Harmony issues. There were several updates on the Mediasonic Forum board and the few I tried were not tranferrable to the 3500. Is there anyone who has done this, and if so what updates are needed to make this work. confused.gif

The iview 3500 is on Harmony. It's under RJTech but you didn't need to know that because if you type in iview 3500 in the harmony software it will bring it up.

There are only two updates (that I know of) on the mediasonic forum so I'm not sure where you are finding the others. But both v10 and v12 work on the iview. You will have to explain what you mean by don't work since if you loaded it on and it didn't work, your box would be bricked and you wouldn't be able to load another on like you said you did....
post #1604 of 3152
There is an active discussion going on in another forum that is closely related to this iView forum, via whether a manual clock could be added. The subject device on that forum also uses a SoC of the same Mfr. I don't consider the issue any more closed for iView than for HomeWorx.

My estimation is that for such a device as these to be used for cable (happens to use QAM, a form of modulation) for which PSIP is stripped, the EPG is useless. But then maybe I have not played with my new iView unit long enough.

According to another poster two weeks ago, the ATSC standard for System Time Table (STT) is as applicable to QAM as ATSC. How can AVS put pressure on the MSOs to comply with this standard?
post #1605 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Dashing31 View Post

I wanted to use my Harmony remote but there's no code for Iview. I read in area that we should use Homeworx update on Mediasonic to update the Iview 3500 to act as a Homeworx HW-150PVR to resolve Harmony issues. There were several updates on the Mediasonic Forum board and the few I tried were not tranferrable to the 3500. Is there anyone who has done this, and if so what updates are needed to make this work. confused.gif

My harmony 550 works very well with the iview V3. Best if you have the remote with a display (LCD) because that give you more options ( 3 pages) ( RJTECH )
post #1606 of 3152
Thanks for the info, I now can use my harmony 650!
post #1607 of 3152
I used the new information and my harmony now operates my Iview...Thanks!!
post #1608 of 3152
I keep getting ready to buy either an iView or Homeworx and as each firmware comes out I waver on which one to get.
I'm going to try to favor QAM if possible.

Recommendations? I was hoping to get used to the functionality before the new fall season of TV starts.

At the moment I'm not excited about the possibility that if I get an iView I'll probably need to request a new remote right away, but it isn't a deal breaker.
post #1609 of 3152
Judging from everything I've read, the Homeworx seems generally more functional and stable, even if the latest iView firmware adds a feature or two that the Homeworx doesn't have yet. The fact that so many iView users have switched to the Homeworx firmware when the reverse isn't also true speaks to which firmware offers the best user experience.

One thing I have yet to figure out though is how QAM users manage to set their clocks, since most cable systems don't bother to provide PSIP. If you can't set the clock with cable, I don't understand how the DVR functionality can work.

I get the feeling that I track relatively few shows compared to most of the people here, but you may have me beaten if you're planning to follow the upcoming season with a single tuner. Even I have some conflicts that I can't solve without a dual-tuner DVR. wink.gif
post #1610 of 3152
I have not tried installing the the latest iView firmware update, but I did order the new remote so I will experiment when that arrives next month. I have been satisfied with the Homeworx firmware since I ordered their remote and installed the latest version (v12, QAM included). I asked a couple pages back what incentive is there to switch to the latest iView firmware vs. Homeworx. I didn't really see anything of value for me personally. I also have the added problem of remote control interference with my tv and using the Homeworx remote has totally solved that problem. I don't know if the new iView remote will conflict or not, but I will at least try it. The tv I am using the box on is for light lifting, so I am satisfied now with a stable firmware and remote that does what it's supposed to do in a reliable fashion.

As far as the QAM clock issues, with Comcast at least the clock is always there. It's just the programming metada that's missing.
post #1611 of 3152
I am using homeworx firmware for now. Once I get the new Iview remote I will try there aging. I love the homeworx remote weight size just seem nicer to me.
post #1612 of 3152
Regarding the clock discussion on the HomeWorx thread:

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

It sounds like the big problem is for QAM users. . . .

Could we get some feedback from QAM users? Do you have accurate time-of-day on all your clear QAM channels, most, some, very few, or none?

Without PSIP time, the iView/Homeworx simply have no clock, making timed recordings impossible. Hence, I assume, the request for a VCR-like internal clock. It could be synced to PSIP time when possible, and only run freely when PSIP time was unavailable. That would eliminate the "flashing 12:00" problem and would minimize drift, unless there were simply no PSIP times available to sync to. And even a drifting clock would be better than no clock at all.

I agree with blue_z, though; I wouldn't expect either Homeworx or iView to develop such an extensive firmware change. Homeworx's target market is OTA; QAM was only added because of demand from users on this thread. They're not going to jump through hoops for a few QAM users. iView was targeted for QAM users, but iView has had terrible trouble getting even the simplest fixes out, so they're probably out of the question too.

Quote from Innovadon on the HomeWorx forum:
I assume the question is of all QAM users, iView users as well. Here on WA's Olympic Peninsula, Wave Broadband apparently strips PSIP from all QAM. On my iView, my time has been 20-25 minutes off, and on the EPG Program Guide, the date varies between Jan 1980 (this morning) and July 2011 (yesterday). Today I don't see any time info. So no relevant program info is listed. I haven't checked the Program Guide for all 74 activated channels yet, but pausing 30 sec or more on several results in no date/time change.

If the clock problem for QAM where PSIP is stripped is hardware related, would iView consider: along with the new remote in September, add hardware capability for manual clock adjustment, change the model number (to 3501STB?) and charge whatever is necessary? Such a unit for the U.S. should scrap the NTSC/PAL selection for TV format - neither is applicable for this unit in the U.S. - maybe ATSC/QAM instead?

I hadn't recognized the time on the EPG Program Guide - it is incrementing up from 00:01, now about 00:50. Other days I think that is where I saw a time about 20 minutes off.
Edited by Innovadon - 8/21/13 at 10:44am
post #1613 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Innovadon View Post

Regarding the clock discussion on the HomeWorx thread:

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

It sounds like the big problem is for QAM users. . . .

Could we get some feedback from QAM users? Do you have accurate time-of-day on all your clear QAM channels, most, some, very few, or none?

Quote from Innovadon on the HomeWorx forum:
If the clock problem for QAM where PSIP is stripped is hardware related, would iView consider: along with the new remote in September, add hardware capability for manual clock adjustment, change the model number (to 3501STB?) and charge whatever is necessary? Such a unit for the U.S. should scrap the NTSC/PAL selection for TV format - neither is applicable for this unit in the U.S. - maybe ATSC/QAM instead?

I hadn't recognized the time on the EPG Program Guide - it is incrementing up from 00:01, now about 00:50. Other days I think that is where I saw a time about 20 minutes off.

Feel free to copy any or all of my post if it will help. And I don't know about the hardware part of PSIP removal. That's a cable company's decision. Comcast & Cox usually let it pass.

 

Big problem with QAM: you can only test it on this continent. Bad support of cable is worse than no support. The CM7000 still works well without TVGOS since they included a manual clock set. All cable is local (c), and the only equalizer is a cable card. Problem is the technical ability needed to support the little card. Some people (with a TiVo) report nightmares. Mine was installed two years ago and has never had any issues.

 

If adding a clock set ability to a DVR was easy, the Sony DHG would still sell for $400 on eBay.

post #1614 of 3152
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

If adding a clock set ability to a DVR was easy, the Sony DHG would still sell for $400 on eBay.
Actually it's easy, but expensive.
A lot of modern SoCs have an integrated RTC (real time clock or "clock calender chip"). Just add an external 32768 Hz crystal and battery.
So talk MStar into enhancing the 7816 SoC for their new $250 PVR.

Regards
post #1615 of 3152
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

All cable is local (c), and the only equalizer is a cable card. Problem is the technical ability needed to support the little card.

The bigger problem is getting hardware manufacturers to comply with HDCP and 4C restrictions. If you want to support CableCards in your DVR, you must agree to filesystem restrictions to prevent people from copying protected shows. If you don't do that, you'll never get permission to add CableCard support, and none of these DVR makers from overseas have shown any interest (thankfully) in adopting the asinine copy protection schemes that are so popular in the US.
post #1616 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Judging from everything I've read, the Homeworx seems generally more functional and stable, even if the latest iView firmware adds a feature or two that the Homeworx doesn't have yet. The fact that so many iView users have switched to the Homeworx firmware when the reverse isn't also true speaks to which firmware offers the best user experience.

One thing I have yet to figure out though is how QAM users manage to set their clocks, since most cable systems don't bother to provide PSIP. If you can't set the clock with cable, I don't understand how the DVR functionality can work.

I get the feeling that I track relatively few shows compared to most of the people here, but you may have me beaten if you're planning to follow the upcoming season with a single tuner. Even I have some conflicts that I can't solve without a dual-tuner DVR. wink.gif

This will be an additional box for me to play with. I primarily use a Philips 3576 for my regular recording, and antenna for OTA channels and a Comcast converter for everything else. (The antenna provides DVD quality recordings... Comcast provides crap.) While the Philips has issues with many HD channels, they are clear since my HDTV can tune them.

My previous model TV used to have a program guide that showed the current and upcoming channels over QAM. The current model killed the guide, but still shows the program name.
I assume that is PSIP data, is it not?
post #1617 of 3152
System Functionality and Stability Concerns.
Post Version 3 Release
(dated 06 AUG 2013)

It's been a little over a week now and besides myself only a couple of other users have reported problems since the release of the latest firmware from iView.

Has most everyone gone with the HmWrx firmware and stayed there?
HW-150PVR Firmware V10 Downloaded 856 times
Or..... has most everyone not had any problems since installing the latest Version 3 firmware.
That would be a good thing, But, For some reason I find that hard to believe.

Here is the start of a list detailing some problems encountered since the last iView Firmware release.
Please add to this list. Either make a new post or PM me and I will keep this list updated.

nickle2
post #1535
8/19/13


Had a recording scheduled.
Found 3500 had turned itself ON an hour early.

Discovered that all info for scheduled recording was correct except there was no channel associated to the schedule.
Also found systems setting has pretty much reverted back to defaults:

CC was ON
Time changed from Pacific to Central
Daylight Time OFF Was set to On
Country changed from USA to Mexico
Modulation changed from Loop through to Ch-3 On
Time shift Size changed from 4.0GB to 1.0GB
Stations I had flagged to SKIP Now, half were no longer flagged.
jprc
post #1536


I've had the scheduled recordings with the program info disappearing since the beginning.
Also, those programs would later delete themselves even though they were recurring programs.
And as I've mentioned several times, I've had phantom recordings that were not scheduled and could only get removed by a factory reset.

Also, today I had a bizarre experience. When trying to change channels by using the keypad, letters showed up on the screen instead of numbers! I had to reboot to be able to input numbers again.

Edit: I also meant to mention that I have had settings reset themselves as well.
jobedo
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Mine lost all the PBS channels (while i was watching them) and I had to rescan.
kronenpj9
post #1543


Mine just did pretty much the same thing with about 6 channels. Weird.
nickle2
8/19/13


After scheduled recording took place 3500 completely powered itself OFF
No RED led. Remote would not turn STB back ON
Had unplug from AC power.
System setting remained intact.
png5
post #1618
8/21/13


I have experience two times IView V3 reboot itself while it is in schedule recording. I consider this is firmware stability issue.
Steve(MS)
post #1619
8/21/13


One single OTA station without PSIP data disappeared from this latest firmware...it vanished from the set of stations.

r0l0
post#1620
8/21/13

I also have experienced this twice. Both times it was the last station in the set.
Innovadon
post #1623
8/21/13


System Settings reverted back to defaults for no reason.
CC was ON
Time Zone changed
Daylight Time OFF Was set to On
Country changed from USA to Mexico
Modulation changed from Loop through to Ch-3 On
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Additional Problem....
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I was not able to add channels using the manual scan in v3,
Initially with v7 I manually scanned most of the channels I wanted, then I upgraded to v3. I was not able to add channels using the manual scan in v3, so went back to v7, and after some struggle to get the proper channel/frequency correlation (freq in MHz = phys.chan.no x 6 + 81, empirically derived, so channel 23-1 = 219 MHz), i successfully scanned in more channels. Now I am back to v3 and plan to stay there.

Edited by nickle2 - 8/22/13 at 10:15am
post #1618 of 3152
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Originally Posted by nickle2 View Post

System Functionality and Stability Concerns.
Post Version 3 Release
(dated 06 AUG 2013)

It's been a little over a week now and besides myself only a couple of other users have reported problems since the release of the latest firmware from iView.

Has most everyone gone with the HmWrx firmware and stayed there?
HW-150PVR Firmware V10 Downloaded 856 times
Or..... has most everyone not had any problems since installing the latest Version 3 firmware.
That would be a good thing, But, For some reason I find that hard to believe.

Here is the start of a list detailing some problems encountered since the last iView Firmware release.
Please add to this list. Either make a new post or PM me and I will keep this list updated.



I switch from HmWrx V12 back to IView V3 and keep it till now. I only use it for daily/weekly recording on OTA. It usually in standly mode except recording or playback.
Since back to V3 first day release, I have experience two times IView V3 reboot itself while it is in schedule recording. I consider this is firmware stability issue.
post #1619 of 3152
My no-psip ota station disappeared from this latest firmware...it vanished from the set of stations.

Once again, as I have mentioned several times, for this box to be successful, it must not read psip data while in scheduled record mode.

There will always be issues if it is reading the data.

Really there is no reason for it to rely on the data for recording.

I wonder if the HW firmware is any different?
For the first time, I am entertaining the idea of using that firmware which would mean for me I would need to get that remote.
I don't have a harmony and at their prices, I will pass on getting one.

For now, I have version 7 loaded.

I was hoping before the fall season to have a somewhat reliable firmware.

Edit:
It appears the HW will suffer from the psip no data also so I don't see ATM the need to go to it.
Of course it would be ideal if I could get that CBS station to include the data in their transmission, I have contacted them twice and so far no action.
The second time was an email to somebody...forgot his title...anyway, he did reply and state he was referring my email to the "chief engineer" who
never bothered to contact me.
I have my doubts...who knows, they may not even have a chief engineer or even if they do...he may subject to the peter principle.

It seems the only fix for this...since an internal clock is impossible (hardware-wise), a firmware to allow user to set clock to a station of his choice.

There will always be issues if these type units are made to look for psip data while trying to function as a dvr.
For instance, suppose at the time of a self power-up, a distorted signal is received (murphy's law) (for any multitude of reasons) and the clock signal isn't present or
is extremely off, then there will always be a chance that a recording is missed or recorded at the wrong time set...or worse, it starts recording and never
shuts down at the proper time....continues to record for hours until the user notices.....

Clock adjustments like on the magnavox dvr/dvd series is the absolute best and they never look for the psip data before a record session...and they never s#!t-list any channel.

BTW, I would be great-full if anybody knows where I can get the original v3? firmware.
Edited by Steve(MS) - 8/21/13 at 10:03pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve(MS) View Post

My no-psip ota station disappeared from this latest firmware...it vanished from the set of stations.
I also have experienced this twice. Both times it was the last station in the set.
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