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post #2401 of 3148
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Originally Posted by rgtaa View Post

I do not own this model, but it looks interesting for 13 dollars on amazon.
Any cheap GOOD remote on amazon that would control my PJ's too, in addtion to iview/homeworx. Thanks in advance.

http://www.amazon.com/DISH-DISH211-4-Device-Universal-Remote/dp/B007JIBAVE/ref=pd_sim_e_1

I saw the 200 dollar prices for the harmony remotes, but 13 dollar remote that works would be nice. biggrin.gif

All you have to do is pick any of the cheap learning remotes on amazon that allow the number of devices you want to control. There are many of them. Look at the reviews for guidance. Since there are none other than harmony with the iview or homeworx codes, your question isn't really about iview but just about learning remotes in general.
post #2402 of 3148
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

Got remote for homeworx today, and the code homeworx uses does not conflict with Naxa code either, Just loaded homeworx v13 and HDD still stays on 3500stbii, so perhaps 5v is hardwired on the iview stbii.

Homeworx firmware is working properly and not showing any no signal problems, It seems tried both VR new remote (v6) and V6 which is really V3 from iview website and neither works correctly with the channel maps and/or tuner on stbii after you press the power button, Only V7 and the V9 which came preinstalled and is being promised from iview work, I don't get how a company has a V9 on their boxes but they don't have a copy yet and are waiting for the makers in china to provide it. Staying with V7 for now.


I also just loaded the Homeworx v13 firmware on my iView 3500STBII (DO NOT do this unless you have a Homeworx remote) and it is working fine so far for OTA. This v13 firmware looks very similar to v7 for the iView.

 

My guess is that neither iView nor Homeworx originate their own firmware.  They probably can only request the firmware from the Chinese manufacturer of the hardware which then provides them with a branded version of the firmware that was developed in China. 

post #2403 of 3148
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

Got remote for homeworx today, and the code homeworx uses does not conflict with Naxa code either, Just loaded homeworx v13 and HDD still stays on 3500stbii, so perhaps 5v is hardwired on the iview stbii.

Homeworx firmware is working properly and not showing any no signal problems, It seems tried both VR new remote (v6) and V6 which is really V3 from iview website and neither works correctly with the channel maps and/or tuner on stbii after you press the power button, Only V7 and the V9 which came preinstalled and is being promised from iview work, I don't get how a company has a V9 on their boxes but they don't have a copy yet and are waiting for the makers in china to provide it. Staying with V7 for now.

In case you haven't found this out yet, v7 is before the fix for the daily/weekly recording bug and also the midnight recording bug. So if that matters to you, you may want to stay on the homeworx firmware until you get either v9 or the upcoming new software Evelyn talked about in her last post.
post #2404 of 3148
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

There seems to be some confusion in regards to "spin down" and turn off(I was also missing the point for a bit). My iView cuts power to the USB socket when off so obviously it spins down when off(my wall powered USB HDD could continue to spin but stops after ~5 minutes of inactivity). When my iView is ON and not recording one of my USB HDDs continues to spin indefinitely, 2 other of my USB HDDs will stop spinning(spin down) after about 5 minutes of inactivity(not recording or playing). I would not want to put up with a iView that not only didn't allow my drive to spin down but also didn't cut power to the USB socket when not in use. If I knew of such a firmware version I would NOT install it but then thats me, others may feel different. It's enough I have a Tivo that the HDD spins 24x7, don't want my iView doing that too.

Given the myriad of different I/O chips used in drive enclosures I would expect differing results. However, iView should have payed closer attention to how its customers would typically use their product. For most customers, it will be the external hard drive that is readily available and well known; Seagate, WD, etc. In this regard I believe Homeworx got it right. If this flaw is not corrected I can pair it with an external hard drive with a physical on/off button as it won't be used as much in its current condition. Unlike my first purchase earlier this year, I won't be returning this model as I really like the new remote and I need the second tuner on Monday nights this TV season.
post #2405 of 3148
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Originally Posted by DD24 View Post
 


I also just loaded the Homeworx v13 firmware on my iView 3500STBII (DO NOT do this unless you have a Homeworx remote) and it is working fine so far for OTA.

One difference that should be noted in using the Homeworx firmware on iView hardware is that the front panel no longer works. When the unit is on, no lights are on and the front display is off.  Also, the front buttons no longer function to turn the power on or off or to change channels.  But the Homeworx remote works fine.

post #2406 of 3148
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Originally Posted by DD24 View Post

One difference that should be noted in using the Homeworx firmware on iView hardware is that the front panel no longer works. When the unit is on, no lights are on and the front display is off.  Also, the front buttons no longer function to turn the power on or off or to change channels.  But the Homeworx remote works fine.

That is very true, when homeworx firmware is on the iview , you wouldn't even know the iview was turned on. Now that could be a good thing or a bad thing on how you look at it (pun).

It is in stealth mode. smile.gif

Also, if in bedroom, the red led's on the iview is turned off with homeworx firmware on it. smile.gif

Now, I can tell the iview with homeworx firmware is working because my hard drive lights flash alot when recording.

I'm regretting getting the iview at this point. I thought both firmwares would work, but iview just doesn't seem to care, I don't think the rep that visits the forum room can even help us. Obviously iview's website has been terrible for weeks and they can't decribe the firmware, but have all 4 firmware's mis-represented. Doesn't seem like she can do much because it's based in china. She seems like a nice person, and I'm sure she is doing all she can. If iview in china is not going to support her, what can she do.
Should we support the homeworx thread more. I'm only in this thread chatting with you guys because of the problems I have with the iview. I don't need to go to the homeworx forum room because it works. smile.gif
post #2407 of 3148
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Originally Posted by jprc View Post


In case you haven't found this out yet, v7 is before the fix for the daily/weekly recording bug and also the midnight recording bug. So if that matters to you, you may want to stay on the homeworx firmware until you get either v9 or the upcoming new software Evelyn talked about in her last post.

I will have to watch out for that issue.

 

Has anyone determined if V9 is any better at catching more QAM channels than v7 and/or Homeworx v13? I may go to Homeworx absent an update from iview.

post #2408 of 3148
I'm thinking the reason iview changed the usb power supply source is because they are now advertising to support up to 3TB hard drives on the II version.
post #2409 of 3148
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

You see that second empty connector port next to the tuner on the homeworx board see above, the pinouts are also on the iview so I suspected that it was used for something.


Heres the bottom of the main board of a 3500stbii, that open port is most likely serial port.
Actually that's stale information.

I reported on the serial console in this post
See post #330 further down and this older post for sample output.

Regards
Edited by blue_z - 11/19/13 at 1:40am
post #2410 of 3148
I'm going to say something that would make Iview sit up and take notice and also "act quickly to resolve this issue" or continue to do nothing.

Everybody write a "bad" review on amazon or newegg or other places. You can spell out the problems you are having with the iview and "alert" other potenial buyers to avoid this unit until problems are addressed.

Maybe even "recommend" the homeview model instead of this model.

If "iview" comes out with "fix", we can go back to amazon and newegg or whatever and "update" the review and share how iview did fix the problem, but if they don't , the "bad" rating continues.

All I know is that I would have liked to read review telling it like it is.

Knowing what you know as "owners", if you were to buy today, which model would you buy, the "homeworx" or "iview". Just be honest.
post #2411 of 3148
Thread Starter 
I think you are forgetting one thing. This is a $40 device, not $400. What on earth do you expect? It works for the most part. Of course there are issues, but TiVo has issues, more so AFAIC, but those are a $500-$800 device (give or take depending on model and subscription).
iView already announced they are working a another model, hopefully a full feature and full sized model.

As far as Amazon, there are enough TSTO; To Stupid To Operate (not my phrase) reviews for every other product that is sold through Amazon, many/most are user error in one form or another. Either the owner didn't research it properly, or doesn't understand it's operation or it's intended use and/or limitations.
post #2412 of 3148
Bruce
If it comes down to homeworx or iview, which version would you recommend to others?

They are both same price.

What would you tell your friend to buy, the homeworx or iview?

I own both, and bought both 1 week ago, and have tested both. Homeworx works and Iview with iview firmware doesn't for me.

Come on Bruce, if Iview has on their website, firmware date of 10/14/2013 and the firmware is older and is screwed up. You can be ok with that, but I'm not. The firmware on their site made it so I lost all my stations. And if others that bought the iview never came to this forum room, they would be upset too. Alerting others on amazon is the right thing to do, sorry we disagree about this. You still are a cool guy and all. smile.gif
Edited by rgtaa - 11/19/13 at 3:58am
post #2413 of 3148
RGTAA,

I own 2 IVIews and they are worth every penny I paid for them and I would highly recommend them. I am a OTA User and there isn't a better OTA product being made period. If you Cable people read this forum you would know there are issues with cable (at least for some) would have bought the IVIEW with some awareness!
post #2414 of 3148
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

Was the iview under a certain code or did the remote learn all the buttons. I have extra 21 remote laying around that might work the same way.


Again to reiterate what others are saying I am using nexstar 3 external enclose with WD HDD, the enclosure cuts power to the light and makes no sounds when the power is off on the Naxa NT-52 and does the opposite and stays on when connected to 350stbii, perhaps the 5v is permanently wired on the stbii model so firmware doesn't matter.

The Dish 20.1 remote learns from the IView remote.
post #2415 of 3148
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

RGTAA,

I own 2 IVIews and they are worth every penny I paid for them and I would highly recommend them. I am a OTA User and there isn't a better OTA product being made period. If you Cable people read this forum you would know there are issues with cable (at least for some) would have bought the IVIEW with some awareness!

Do you own a homeworx?
the Iview device itself seems good enough, I was mostly just upset with the firmware for the iview 2nd version. Owning both (1 homeworx version 2 and 1 Iview version 2) , I am in position to test them both out. I am OTA guy, so I used both for OTA stuff. Now if Iview comes out with fix , I'll be happy with the iview, like you are. smile.gif
post #2416 of 3148
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Originally Posted by jhck66 View Post

Why would I want it to "stop it from spinning down"? I want the iView to stop spinning the hard drive when it(iView) is off. The very same hard drives spin down on the Homeworx when it is not accessing the hard drive or when the Homeworx is off. You are under the impression that I want the hard drive spinning all the time regardless of whether the IView is on or not and that is not what I originally stated.

Having your Hard drive spin down when NOT in use has tradeoffs. There is are strong feelings that hard drives last longer if they stay powered on and spinning. That constant powering on and off are bad for the drive.

A number of DVRS are designed to have the internal drives NEVER spin down.

I really don't see why for some of you it is such a big deal. For me the problem I encountered which was a REAL problem was I had a drive in an external enclosure that would spin down and then NOT be recognized by the IVIEW. I have had that problem with another much more expensive DVR too.

Bottom line if you connect a drive to the IVIEW and it doesn't spin down it is a GOOD thing! Not something to fuss over and blame IVIEW for.
post #2417 of 3148
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Originally Posted by rgtaa View Post

Do you own a homeworx?
the Iview device itself seems good enough, I was mostly just upset with the firmware for the iview 2nd version. Owning both (1 homeworx version 2 and 1 Iview version 2) , I am in position to test them both out. I am OTA guy, so I used both for OTA stuff. Now if Iview comes out with fix , I'll be happy with the iview, like you are. smile.gif

No. I own 2 IVIEWs, 2 PALDVRS and I was a former owner of a PHDVRX. I paid under $40 for both my IViews. One has the new remote. The other I use with the Dish 20.1 remote. For what I paid I think the IVIEW works very well with the firmware fixes. I think I may be one firmware version behind you. Right now my IVIEWS are on vacation as my PALDVRS take on the heavy load of recording during prime TV season (2 tuners in each). In the spring my PALDVRS go on vacation get shut down and the 2 IVIEWS get fired up to take over during rerun season when I don't need 4 tuners. I did use the IVIEWS during most of the summer and into September and like I said they did a decent job especially with the newer firmware and remote. The tuner is decent too. I could go on about all the positives about the IVIEW and the negatives but I think the bottom line is that (as Videobruce agrees I'm sure) for $40 or less it does a darn good job. It could stand a few more fixes sure but it is quite good at doing what it is supposed to do at least for OTA.

The one thing I would like to see is it ditch the analog pass through. Keep it in one model for those that are still using analog TVS and take it out in another model and have digital pass through.
post #2418 of 3148
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Having your Hard drive spin down when NOT in use has tradeoffs. There is are strong feelings that hard drives last longer if they stay powered on and spinning. That constant powering on and off are bad for the drive.

A number of DVRS are designed to have the internal drives NEVER spin down.

I really don't see why for some of you it is such a big deal. For me the problem I encountered which was a REAL problem was I had a drive in an external enclosure that would spin down and then NOT be recognized by the IVIEW. I have had that problem with another much more expensive DVR too.

Bottom line if you connect a drive to the IVIEW and it doesn't spin down it is a GOOD thing! Not something to fuss over and blame IVIEW for.

 

Amen!

 

Drive mfgrs used to have a MTBF stat but today rate their Reliability in "start/stop" or "load/unload" cycles, not spin or working time. A start/stop cycle is defined here as a power-on/power-off cycle. (Article mentions air bearings but Hitachi, for one (now WD), used fluid bearings. More info here.)

post #2419 of 3148
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

Notice the 5v for the usb is coming directly from the power supply on the 3500stbii, which would explain why it never shuts off and does not behave like the old version 3500stb or the naxa. Also notice the new board has an empty slot on the usb end of the connector on the main board.

My though on this is that if you read the earlier posts you will see that there were questions about whether the power supply in the original version would handle a 2 1/2" drive. By running a dedicated line to the USB port they are changing how the power gets to the port (i.e. directly from the power supply). The question for me is, does the power supply on the STBII run cooler than the original. Also, does the tuner on the STBII running the V9 firmware it ships with still have the double searching "hiccup" on channels that the original has. If the power supply runs cooler and the "hiccup" is fixed I certainly may throw another 40 some dollars iView's way.
post #2420 of 3148
Thread Starter 
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What would you tell your friend to buy, the homeworx or iview
Get a VRX.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Is he OTA or CATV? Seems to be more of a issue if you wnat to use it on your CATV service and then it depends on their system. I really wouldn't recomend either since they are too basic a unit. Fine for a kids room or a spare room though, but not as a main DVR.

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if Iview has on their website, firmware date of 10/14/2013 and the firmware is older and is screwed up. You can be ok with that, but I'm not.
I'm sure not ok with that and never said so. I've stated more than once that their sites firmware postings are confusing which is why I posted them in post 5.

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Alerting others on amazon is the right thing to do, sorry we disagree about this.
"Alerting" is one thing, but posting one star reviews to bring attention to issues is another. There are no shortage of one start reviews there and at Newegg.
post #2421 of 3148
Purchased a 3500STBII from Newegg.com for the purpose of Cable QAM tuning. This will be utilize for the HDMI IN function on the new Xbox One.

I currently allow the LG to perform the "in the clear" tuning, thus I have the channel numbers mapped. After reading the numerous posts on the matter, jumped into the MANUAL tuning. I entered in a tuned channel number, saw the signal meter jump and pressed OK. This resulted in no marked channel. I then proceeded to let the unit perform an AUTO scan with no results.

The unit was setup to CABLE and USA. It currently operates V9 software and after reading the posts, I will be downgrading to V7 later this evening and will post back the results.

Any feedback on the matter will be appreciated.
post #2422 of 3148
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Originally Posted by zeemdeel View Post

Purchased a 3500STBII from Newegg.com for the purpose of Cable QAM tuning. This will be utilize for the HDMI IN function on the new Xbox One.

I currently allow the LG to perform the "in the clear" tuning, thus I have the channel numbers mapped. After reading the numerous posts on the matter, jumped into the MANUAL tuning. I entered in a tuned channel number, saw the signal meter jump and pressed OK. This resulted in no marked channel. I then proceeded to let the unit perform an AUTO scan with no results.

The unit was setup to CABLE and USA. It currently operates V9 software and after reading the posts, I will be downgrading to V7 later this evening and will post back the results.

Any feedback on the matter will be appreciated.

If you are unsuccessful with v7 and autoscan like I was, and you have access to a harmony remote, you can load the Homeworx v13 QAM firmware, which may help you to identify channels. It is not a good sign that V9 doesn't work with autoscan when able to obtain a manual signal. When it was in manual, the signal popped and you pushed ok, did you get a list of stations from that channel? Sounds like it didn't save it for you after?

post #2423 of 3148

Hello,

 

I am a long time lurker on the AVS forums, but had to sign up to ask a few questions. I just purchased a version II box and also noticed it won't power down the USB port. I see that satpro has posted a hardware mod that will fix this issue, but I wondered if that mod could be further enhanced by using an A/B type switch so you could easily put the device back to powering the USB port directly from the power supply?

 

My current DVR setup is a HTPC running WMC and 2 Silicon Dust HDHR's. The system was switched from a pair of  ZAT 502's outputting to a HDDVR and HDPVR due to constant compatibility issue's between the Hauppage and AverMedia recorders. Though I do miss the stronger tuners that the ZAT 502's have as well as the smaller file sizes for the recordings.

 

The reason for that last paragraph was so you would understand why I have an interest in a "simpler" backup DVR. I have no intention of replacing the WMC setup, but as I tend to tinker with things, I would like to not give up TV recording while I decide to mess with all the various things that can go wrong when I decide to "add functionality" to my current setup. I'm going to test hooking up a self powered 1.5 TB Fantom Green Drive to the iView and see if it will hopefully go into standby mode without needing the hardware mod.

 

On a side note, since this is an iview sub forum, I am currently using the IVIEW-420TPC-WT mini tablet as my Chromecast's "remote control". Though it was a pain to root and battery life isn't great, it does a fine job at this and prevents me missing phone calls because I ran the phone battery down using it for this function. So I will vouch for the fact that iView is a solid company in the budget gadget arena.

 

post #2424 of 3148
Using the default V9 software, I was not able to save any of the channels that I manually entered in, even though it was able to identify a signal was present.

After updating to V7 I was successful in the total setup. I could enter into MANUAL turning and was able to save the entered channel. It would appear that the signal meter was showing a weaker signal on this version compared to the V9 meter, though the picture is excellent when compared to the original LG tuner.

Please note, use a small USB flash drive when upgrading. I attepted to upgrade using a 4 GB FAT32 formatted flash drive with no success. I had to scavange an older 512 MB flash drive for the downgrade to take place. I was able to use the 4 GB flash drive succesfully for the PVR and RECording functions without issue.

I have a few questions, but I will scan through the posts to see if they have already been answered. They include Audio Lip Sync when RAW HDMI ON mode is engaged, automatic PVR versus manual engament and Relabeling Channel IDs since my QAM broadcast gives garbage/no station ID or EPG information. Thanks to @videobruce and all the other users on this forum for doing the reasearch and taking the time to share their results.
post #2425 of 3148
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Having your Hard drive spin down when NOT in use has tradeoffs. There is are strong feelings that hard drives last longer if they stay powered on and spinning. That constant powering on and off are bad for the drive.

A number of DVRS are designed to have the internal drives NEVER spin down.

I really don't see why for some of you it is such a big deal. For me the problem I encountered which was a REAL problem was I had a drive in an external enclosure that would spin down and then NOT be recognized by the IVIEW. I have had that problem with another much more expensive DVR too.

Bottom line if you connect a drive to the IVIEW and it doesn't spin down it is a GOOD thing! Not something to fuss over and blame IVIEW for.

All I did was to confirm another member's observations on the new 3500STBII's functionality. Since iView has not made the V9 firmware available isn't it nice to learn something about them for good or ill depending on one's needs or wants? I personally need it to record one show a week as a backup to my primary DVR (not the Homeworx) as they are hooked up to two different antennas. I am not as passionate about these toys as you seem to be but it is fun to play with them.
post #2426 of 3148
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Originally Posted by zeemdeel View Post

Using the default V9 software, I was not able to save any of the channels that I manually entered in, even though it was able to identify a signal was present.

After updating to V7 I was successful in the total setup. I could enter into MANUAL turning and was able to save the entered channel. It would appear that the signal meter was showing a weaker signal on this version compared to the V9 meter, though the picture is excellent when compared to the original LG tuner.

Please note, use a small USB flash drive when upgrading. I attepted to upgrade using a 4 GB FAT32 formatted flash drive with no success. I had to scavange an older 512 MB flash drive for the downgrade to take place. I was able to use the 4 GB flash drive succesfully for the PVR and RECording functions without issue.

I have a few questions, but I will scan through the posts to see if they have already been answered. They include Audio Lip Sync when RAW HDMI ON mode is engaged, automatic PVR versus manual engament and Relabeling Channel IDs since my QAM broadcast gives garbage/no station ID or EPG information. Thanks to @videobruce and all the other users on this forum for doing the reasearch and taking the time to share their results.

I don't believe the signal meter is reliable. In V9 firmware one of my channels show 20% signal strength yet I get perfect picture and sound as does the TV's tuner that is hooked up to the same antenna. The TV's signal meter reads 98%. On other channels it varies from mirroring the TV's tuner to oh that can't be right. Since the picture doesn't pixelate and the sound is clear I ignore it.
Edited by jhck66 - 11/20/13 at 11:19am
post #2427 of 3148
FYI. I was at BB earlier today and saw the DISH211 learning remote on clearance sale. It was a penny less than ten bucks if anyone is interested.
post #2428 of 3148
Though not directly related to the 3500STBII, this is rather disappointing (out of the box) for me ...
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For starters, passing my TiVo through the Xbox One darkened the picture and stripped the signal of its Dolby Digital audio encoding, taking away surround sound. There’s a beta option to transcode Dolby into DTS or PCM audio, but it didn’t seem to work for me, and Microsoft says it might cause additional video distortion with some cable boxes until it’s out of beta. If you have a home theater system, this is an immediate deal breaker; I wouldn’t let the Xbox One near your cable box until it can pass the signal unmolested.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/20/5117320/microsoft-xbox-one-review

A proposed solution from Microsoft: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/live-tv/connect-console-to-home-theater#4bbc2efdad2d4ab198cb8cbd384100a6

I will be sure to continue this line of conversation over at

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1500679/xbox-one-does-not-pass-surround-sound-through-hdmi-say-what
and
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1499754/xbox-one-with-avr
post #2429 of 3148
Hi,

For all those who are currently own the IVIEW 3500STBII and want to have the V9 firmware, I have attached it to the forum. Please email me at evelyn@iviewus.com if you have any other questions or need anything else. Please let me know any feedback on this version or if any problems arise. V10 will be available shortly and please email me if you wish to test it before we confirm the final version.

For all the Logitech Harmony Remote users, both the 3500STB and 3500STBII have been added to the Logitech Harmony remote database. Please visit myharmony.com to register your remote. You can find the 3500STB or the 3500STBII under “iView.”

-Evelyn
usb_upgrade_all_flash.zip 3026k .zip file
post #2430 of 3148
Evelyn
Thanks a lot for your assisting us. So far vierson 9 works GREAT for OTA.
It's good to be back in business with my iview!

Also, good to see you guys are hard at work getting version 10 ready.

I have not posted any review on amazon yet, but , with your contined presence and help, I'm going give IVIEW very high grade of 5 stars.

I was just frustrated last week when I went to your website and screwed up my iview with something that did not work. I see you have POWER because the offending firmware page no longer is their, when I just checked.

All my channels are BACK, and the recording features work for me.
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