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post #2761 of 3152
The tuner in the TViX 6620 is equally sensitive to my Zenith DTV converter box, not that I use it now that I have an HDTV with an ATSC tuner. Zenith is owned by LG, so I bought an LG TV in order to take advantage of the good tuners the company makes.
post #2762 of 3152

3500stb scheduled recording problems

 

I bought the 3500stb for the dvr. I have cable tv and the tuner found about 100 channels, but when I try to do a scheduled recording there is only 3 channels to choose from. I also had the 3500stbii with the same problem. Am I doing something wrong. I don't understand why the tuner found some many channels but I cant see those channels to chose from when I try to set up a recording.

 

Help. Thanks,

post #2763 of 3152
Thread Starter 
DMETT;
See post 5, probably most, if not all of those other channels are encrypted. Try another FW version.

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Edited by videobruce - 1/5/14 at 9:54am
post #2764 of 3152

I'm not sure if that is my problem.  I can see and hear the 100 channels and I can record them,so I don't think they are encrypted.  But when I try to set up a scheduled recording there is only about 3 channels to chose from.  I don't understand why the 100 channels that work just fine, don't show up when you try to set up a recording.

post #2765 of 3152
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Originally Posted by seatacboy View Post


Thank you. Your overview is very helpful. On one of my TVs - the old HD CRT with the damaged ATSC tuner - I've ended up using a standard-def converter box, either the Zenith DTT900 or the (standard def) Channel Master CM-7000. Their tuner sections are first-rate, but obviously we end up stuck with 480i SD output, using the S-Video on the CM-7000 is a bit better. It does sound like both the iView and the Homeworx are buggy, unreliable pieces of gear, both as simple tuners and as front-end units for DVR recording. Reviews of the newer High Definition Channel Master CM-7001 and 7002 don't sound positive either.

Rather than wasting my time and money monkeying around with the iView, which seems to have serious deficiencies, I'll wait until I can find a used Samsung DTB-H260F in working condition for a reasonable price. Perhaps another possibility: somebody out there sees the market for a truly dependable, easy-to-use 720p/1080i HD OTA set-top-box and DVR unit offering the excellent RF performance and ease-of-use of my vintage 480i Zenith and Channel Master CECBs.

 

Hey, don't give up on that "damaged" ATSC tuner...mine came back from the dead and works fine again! Just keep trying it every day unless you're sure there is an actual irreversible hardware failure.

 

To be fair to the iView, there is a better remote available, but I got the old one and am not really interested at this time to get a replacement, either from iView (which might be free) or some kind of learning remote. To be fair to the Homeworx, I don't think the firmare is AS buggy as the iView, and the remote is allegedly better, but it might be like comparing manure to rotten apples.

 

The s-video connection is important to me, which is one reason I decided to not use the iView to replace my ChannelMaster CECB...the picture on that old CRT is so good with the s-video I actually watch SD content preferentially on the CRT rather than on the flat-screen right above it. And the ChannelMaster is, while not perfect (like everything made by the hand of man), many orders of magnitude easier to use and less buggy. So I'm surprised that the ChannelMaster HD tuner would not be also pretty good (I passed on it in favor of the iView based strictly on the three times plus price differential).

 

There IS a market for a reasonably-priced DVR, since I would buy one, but the only hang-up right now that I can see is the friggin' firmware (oh, and the ridiculous manual, but that's almost a given these days). I've offered to WRITE reliable firmware for these boxes (iView, Homeworx, Naxa) on an open source basis since this would reduce their cost basis to basically manufacturing cost, but that ain't gonna happen, and like most buggy software, they ain't gonna fix the REAL bugs cuz that's all hard and stuff...it's kind of weird economic fact of life, hardware designs can be produced by the millions with much greater complexity (which is why these boxes are so cheap but still work well), but software design is still largely done on a cottage-industry handmade mentality, which means it's both expensive per unit and largely reliant in quality on the individual programmer...

post #2766 of 3152

DMETT,

Try going to the left instead of the right on schedule screen. Strangely, with one version of the firmware, this gave me the channels.  I have tried all the versions so I don't remember which one did this..

 

Otherwise I have a Seagate BackUp Plus 1TB drive connected and it works pretty well although I do get some pixelation. I don't really understand why this is.

 

Incidentally, found out that it is possible to change the aspect ratio when viewing a recording but it must be changed while viewing a channel and then go to the recording and view it.  

 

Best luck in 2014.

post #2767 of 3152

I tried going right and left and that gave me  1  more channel,  Hoping to get this figured out, the only reason I bought this was for the dvr function.  For firmware are you talking about post 5.

post #2768 of 3152
If you want to see a missing channel on the record list, just move it to the top of the channel list. That's the only certain way I found of having the desired channel show up for recording. I don't know why having it on the top of the list makes a difference, but it does.
post #2769 of 3152

Hi, 

 

I'm not sure what you mean by moving it to the top of channel list.  More detail please,

 

Thanks

post #2770 of 3152
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Originally Posted by DMETT View Post

Hi, 

I'm not sure what you mean by moving it to the top of channel list.  More detail please,

Thanks

Go into Program Edit in the menu and you can move charnels there.
post #2771 of 3152
Anyone own this one? It's on sale:
Amazon with Super Deal has the Viewtv VT-163 ATSC Digital TV Converter Box Media Player for $70 - $30 off with coupon code 30ofsale = $40 with free shipping. Sells for $70+ elsewhere. Features Recording PVR function, USB input, and includes remote control, HDMI and composite cables.

Viewtv Digital TV Converter Box Media Player $40 at Amazon Ben's best silver award
Retail: $100
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00GGVPKKC
post #2772 of 3152
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Originally Posted by afterlife2 View Post

Anyone own this one? It's on sale:
Amazon with Super Deal has the Viewtv VT-163 ATSC Digital TV Converter Box Media Player for $70 - $30 off with coupon code 30ofsale = $40 with free shipping. Sells for $70+ elsewhere. Features Recording PVR function, USB input, and includes remote control, HDMI and composite cables.

Viewtv Digital TV Converter Box Media Player $40 at Amazon Ben's best silver award
Retail: $100
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00GGVPKKC

The double discounted price is still just the same as the regular price of the iview and they do the same thing except there is no official Qam support on that one (not that QAM support on the iview has much to brag about). Unless you just like collecting boxes as a hobby, better to go with one of the ones that have a history of support (limited as that is).
post #2773 of 3152
Thread Starter 
One thing for sure, it's a hell of a lot better looking. It gets 5 stars on that alone.
Anyone make out the additional buttons on the font panel?
post #2774 of 3152

Thanks  I tried that and it worked.  Obviously the firmware needs work since this is the way to find a channel to do a scheduled recording.

post #2775 of 3152
Quote:
Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

One thing for sure, it's a hell of a lot better looking. It gets 5 stars on that alone.
Anyone make out the additional buttons on the font panel?

Power, Menu, OK, VOL -/+ and CH -/+

There's no webpage that I can find anywhere so I wouldn't expect software updates. That also means it may very likely ship with that very broken original firmware that all these other boxes shipped with. Unless someone is just buying a hobby box and didn't care if it works, I wouldn't buy it until I could confirm that is not the case. They certainly don't make it easy to find contact info for the manufacturer.
post #2776 of 3152
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Originally Posted by jprc View Post

Power, Menu, OK, VOL -/+ and CH -/+

There's no webpage that I can find anywhere so I wouldn't expect software updates. That also means it may very likely ship with that very broken original firmware that all these other boxes shipped with. Unless someone is just buying a hobby box and didn't care if it works, I wouldn't buy it until I could confirm that is not the case. They certainly don't make it easy to find contact info for the manufacturer.

I was gonna get it as a backup, but you are right so I will wait till a legit review comes around. I'm awaiting the Homeworx any day now from newegg. I hope no problems arise with my OTA.
post #2777 of 3152

How long can a 3500 record with, lets say a 1Tb HDD?

post #2778 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Pilule View Post

How long can a 3500 record with, lets say a 1Tb HDD?

Well, you can do the math. It's about 8GB per hour for highest bitrate 1080i. Many broadcast will be less than that.
post #2779 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Pilule View Post
 

How long can a 3500 record with, lets say a 1Tb HDD?


I rarely record SD and my 1TB generally holds ~160 hrs of mostly 1080i and some 720p channels.

post #2780 of 3152

That's more than I thought.

 

Thanks

post #2781 of 3152

Can you record  one channel while you watch another like we used to do with our VCR?

 

Thanks

post #2782 of 3152
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Originally Posted by Pilule View Post

Can you record  one channel while you watch another like we used to do with our VCR?

Thanks

No, unless you are using a splitter to your TV or loop through (which does not work well on the iview). You might want to read at least the first page of this thread for some basic info.
post #2783 of 3152

I did read the first page, I read everything all the way to the about the 20th post when I realized that threre are over 2700 posts. I read that you can't use a HDD bigger than 500Meg but some people tried a 1Tb and it worked. It says not to use a thumb drive, some people tried and it worked, so I thought somebody found a way to make the pass-through work.

I tried to get some information through "search" but it didn't work, so that's why I'm asking here, I want to find out from people that tried it.

I want to get this for my mother because now, with DTV, we can't use our old VCR and she misses some of her programs because of that, so I want to get a 3500 specifically to record some of her shows.

 

Thanks

post #2784 of 3152

Has anyone reported whether the firmware versions after V9 eliminate the midnight recording bug which interrupts recordings that extend over midnight?

 

Is there a website that describes the changes in the newer firmware updates?

 

thanks

post #2785 of 3152
My recording consumed approx 8-10gb per hour
post #2786 of 3152
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilule View Post

Can you record  one channel while you watch another like we used to do with our VCR?

Thanks

I'm going to test my older iview soon to see if pass through works with the v13a software I am running. At present I just pipe the tuned signal or recorded show to an old analog tuner crt in the kitchen, so I have pass through turned off. I will take my small 19" HDTV down and test tomorrow. Stay tuned for details.

Note that my newer Homeworx HW-150 DOES pass through the antenna signal whether the unit is turned off OR on. Some have reported no pass through when unit is turned off. Not sure if this is a hardware or software bug. I have a newer HW-150 and the newest v14QAM software. I am going to test my older iview with the newer HW-150 firmware to see if that affects pass through.
Edited by chazdole - 1/8/14 at 11:53pm
post #2787 of 3152
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Originally Posted by csrini1 View Post

My recording consumed approx 8-10gb per hour

My locals must be compressing more. The most I've seen is about ~6.5GB~ per hour full HD, (often less) and ~1.4GB/HR~ SD.
post #2788 of 3152

Thanks everybody for your replys on the Bytes consumption.

 

I read that that the pass-tru works better if you leave the device on. I was hoping that the pass-tru worked better, I didn't want to split the signal and weaken it, also less gadgets and wires. 

post #2789 of 3152
After some testing, I can say loop thru works fine on my older ivew running v13a firmware.

For my test, I used a Dish DTVPal Plus OTA digital tuner, which has a good signal strength meter. I wanted to use a 19" HDTV, but mine doesn't have a signal meter. I sent the signal thru coax cable from the iview to the digital tuner located in the kitchen, a distance of maybe 25'-30' of cable.

Even with loop thru turned off, my digital tuner in the kitchen got about 80% of the full signal that I got when enabling loop thru, which surprised me. IT DIDN"T MATTER IF THE IVIEW WAS OFF OR ON. With loop thru on, signals were about 90% of what I get when connected directly to the antenna. Again, it made no difference whether the power was off or on, the signals didn't change. Antenna power in the menu had no effect.

Your mileage may vary, but I but mine is the "older" iview-3500STB, that came with the older, small remote, not the newer STBII.

I DID NOT test this with older firmware.
Edited by chazdole - 1/9/14 at 8:27am
post #2790 of 3152
Quote:
Originally Posted by chazdole View Post

After some testing, I can say loop thru works fine on my older ivew running v13a firmware.

For my test, I used a Dish DTVPal Plus OTA digital tuner, which has a good signal strength meter. I wanted to use a 19" HDTV, but mine doesn't have a signal meter. I sent the signal thru coax cable from the iview to the digital tuner located in the kitchen, a distance of maybe 25'-30' of cable.

Even with loop thru turned off, my digital tuner in the kitchen got about 80% of the full signal that I got when enabling loop thru, which surprised me. IT DIDN"T MATTER IF THE IVIEW WAS OFF OR ON. With loop thru on, signals were about 90% of what I get when connected directly to the antenna. Again, it made no difference whether the power was off or on, the signals didn't change. Antenna power in the menu had no effect.

Your mileage may vary, but I but mine is the "older" iview-3500STB, that came with the older, small remote, not the newer STBII.

I DID NOT test this with older firmware.

Not sure what you are saying or trying to confirm. The IView is a converter box with DVR ability. If you are passing an RF signal to your TV it is converted from digital to analog ...yes? I think what people want is to have the IVIEW able to record and at the same time watch HD programming. That doesn't happen as far as I know.
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