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post #1 of 119
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I just recieved my Sound & Vision mag today and noticed the advertisement for the Nuforce AVP-18 which sounds very promising and exactly what I would be interested in for running my modest HT. I have searched and searched but have not seen anything either on the web, forums or Nuforce' own website.

Does anyone have any info? I like what I saw in the S&V ad and it would be perfect in my all digital set up.
post #2 of 119
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Does anyone have any news about this piece?
post #3 of 119
Do you have a link for the S&V ad? I recall the AVP16 and the AVP17 which were basic prepros that seemed to be focused on SQ more than anything else. I just did a google search for the AVP18 and came up with no information at all. That includes the NuForce site as well. I would be very interested in the AVP18 to see what it offers over the AVP16/17.

Bill
post #4 of 119
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Bill,

I don't have a link but it in on page 31 and it is a full page add. The add mentioned that it is an all digital preamp / processor. It has true 24/192 digital audio performance and HD video. Four HDMI inputs with one HDMI output with ARC. Eleven programmable fully parametric equalizers per channel. Intelligent room acoustics analysis. Digital crossover filters.

It supports the latest HD Audio decoding like Dolby True HD, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS Master Audio, DTS Hi Res Audio. The Intelligent room acoustics analysis package includes software and calibrated mic. Quadruple bass management for individual adjustments of front, center surround and rear speakers.

This sounds exactly what I am looking for. Other than the ad I just can not find any info out about it. I heard the old AVP 16 and it was impressive.
post #5 of 119
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And the best part about it the ad says the MSRP is $995.00.

WOW
post #6 of 119
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The pic of the unit is about the same size of the Outlaw Audio Model 975.
post #7 of 119
I also just noticed this unit in S&V. I have Denon 4311 but run my speakers using external power. I don't use 90% of the network and analog functions of the denon. There was an article on the main avs page about the receiver needing a facelift. This is what it should look like (albeit a pre/pro). I guess it could also be compared to Emotiva.
post #8 of 119
It's going to come out, probably next month.

I was told by a dealer that there will be two versions, one more HT oriented and the other one more audiophile oriented (two channel preamp with HT functions).
post #9 of 119
Here is a link from the NuForce site for the AVP-18. I would be curious as to what the chip set is as the specs (PEQ etc.) do look similar to the Emotiva UMC-200. There is only one version of the AVP-18 shown but a preamp version with HT Bypass would be nice. The AVP-18 does look very interesting.

Bill
post #10 of 119
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I see it is being released on April 30th which is about the time I'm looking to get rid of my Marantz AV7005. I'm looking forward to giving this pre/pro a run and getting rid of Audyssey once and for all.smile.gif
post #11 of 119
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

I see it is being released on April 30th which is about the time I'm looking to get rid of my Marantz AV7005. I'm looking forward to giving this pre/pro a run and getting rid of Audyssey once and for all.smile.gif

Just a thought but you might want to see how close the Emotiva UMC-200 is to the AVP-18. The AVP-18 could very well be a step above the UMC-200 with better DACs and analog section. But it might be worth looking into as the UMC-200 is $400 cheaper. I would think you could contact NuForce and see what they have to say.

Bill
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You guys may have more information than I do, but I only see one version being offered. NuForce is definitely gearing this towards the digital crowd with room correction and folks wanting to allow their processer to decode material. There is NO analog input section.Realistically, it would be difficult to even compare this processer against their previous offerings (AVP-16 and AVP-17) With that being said, I am unsure how this could even be compared to the Outlaw 975 or the Emotiva UMC-200 with both of these units include analog inputs.

It will be interesting to see some reviews when this unit comes out and expose more of the internals on the unit. Based on the pictures of the back of the unit, it does appear it can be used as a USB DAC.





Edited by sac8d4 - 4/19/13 at 8:00am
post #13 of 119
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Originally Posted by sac8d4 View Post

You guys may have more information than I do, but I only see one version being offered.

There will be an analog offering. I cannot divulge my sources, but stay tuned [Hint...hint.... MCP-xx]. When taking a very cursory look at the UMC 200 and AVP-18 (just the specs and the rear panel), it appears the Nuforce AVP-18 is just offering the digital subset of the UMC-200 without the tuner. It remains to be seen how the Nuforce product is differentiated from the UMC 200 in terms of better DACs/components, build quality, featureset, and functionality, especially for double the price. Time (and some serious head-to-head comparisons) will tell. I have been a loyal Nuforce fan and user, so I'm hoping the step-up in price is worth the difference.
post #14 of 119
I currently own the Avp-17 with their MCH-3SE-C7 multichannel amp. I must say, I am a fan as well. I am very interested in an analog preamp/processor that builds on the features and sonics of the Avp-17.
post #15 of 119
Yeah, me too...I have the MCH-300SE-C7 paired with the AVP-17 and love the combo.
post #16 of 119
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I'm thinking about the AVP-18 as my home theater processor paired with the Emotiva XSP-1 for two channel if the AVP-18 incorporates better dacs than the Emotiva UMC-200. The ad in Sound and Vision had an MSRP at $995 but I see it has been increased to $1295 so I would hope the Nuforce would have better dacs and implementation then the UMC-200. I guess we will see on April 30th. I emailed Nuforce yesterday but the only reply I received is that the release date is the 30th and more information will be available at that time.
post #17 of 119
I am unsure if Nuforce is concerned with specs of a particular DAC or the latest DAC offerings. Nuforce's philosophy has been about how their products sounds, not specs. Nuforce has always placed a great deal of attention on getting the most out of the analog circuit, with circuit implementation being clearly very important. The DACs in Nuforce's previous offerings have been Cirrus Dacs (CS42518). I would be shocked if they departed from this same philosophy. It will be interesting to see what will be under the hood in the AVP-18, but they don't generally discuss their circuitry.
Edited by sac8d4 - 4/19/13 at 9:55pm
post #18 of 119
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Has anyone found out if Nuforce released the AVP-18 today? I tried calling with no luck getting thru.
post #19 of 119
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

I see it is being released on April 30th which is about the time I'm looking to get rid of my Marantz AV7005. I'm looking forward to giving this pre/pro a run and getting rid of Audyssey once and for all.smile.gif

I'm planning to use Audyssey. What is it about audyssey that you don't like?

You may change my mind. Because I realy don't know the difference between room correction system and don't know which one is better or worse.

Your comments would be apreciated.
post #20 of 119
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To me in my theater it just sounds sterile if that makes sense. Now that is with XT and not XT32. XT32 was slightly better but not by a ton like others have mentioned. I prefer to use no room correction to Audyssey. I have used and loved the Anthem ARC though with the MRX300. The ARC handled my dual subs perfectly and the overall sound was easier to dial in vs. Audyssey that is why I'm real interested in the Nuforce with the adjustability. Yes, it is harder to dial in but with the adjustability that the Nuforce promises once it is dialed in it should be great. Time will tell.
post #21 of 119
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To me in my theater it just sounds sterile if that makes sense. Now that is with XT and not XT32. XT32 was slightly better but not by a ton like others have mentioned. I prefer to use no room correction to Audyssey. I have used and loved the Anthem ARC though with the MRX300. The ARC handled my dual subs perfectly and the overall sound was easier to dial in vs. Audyssey that is why I'm real interested in the Nuforce with the adjustability. Yes, it is harder to dial in but with the adjustability that the Nuforce promises once it is dialed in it should be great. Time will tell.

I've a Diva stand-alone room correction system from Audio control (24bit/48KHz). It has graphic and parametric equalizer/room correction (I was told by many people and by the documentation on the Audyssey website that audyssey does a much better job than Diva. Also when I use Aydyssey through an AVR, I use only one piece of equipment (Room correction and AVR are in one unit). Dive is adjustable while Audyssey is automated. Another issue with this type of room correction (Diva) is that you need a professional installer to calibrate the system for you.

But I think I know what you're talking about when you say the sound is "sterile". I may do the same and just go with AVP-18. But as you said earlier, time will tell how good AVP-18 is.
post #22 of 119
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sharok,

Have you seen anywhere if it was indeed released on the 30th and if so who is carrying it. I've tried calling but to no avail.
post #23 of 119
I called them and talked to the tech support. I asked for a soft copy of the manual and he did not have one.

I'll cal them today to see whether it's been released or not. I'll let you know today.
post #24 of 119
I just called them and talked to the sales support. AVP-18 has not been released yet and they don't know when it's gonna happen.

Another mismanaged and clueless high-end audio company :-(
Edited by sharok - 5/2/13 at 1:30pm
post #25 of 119
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I just called them and talked to the sales support. AVP-18 has not been released yet and they don't know when it's gonna happen.

Another mismanaged and clueless high-end audio company :-(

sharok,

I called and spoke with Bob who is the head of the high end gear. He actually told me to look on the website and check the eStore and if it is on there for sale then it's been released if not it hasn't and of course it's not and I asked him if he knew when and of course he had no clue. This shocks me in today's time.

Sharok, have you heard that Emotiva might have built this unit for Nuforce? I've heard rumors but no definitive answers of course. The info sounds very similar. I also asked Bob what Dacs are in the AVP-18 and his reply was "Nuforce does not release this information to the public". Wow, shocked me.

I'm still going to order this unit along with the Emotiva UMC-200 and the Anthem MRX300 and do a little shoot out and of course the best sounding in home theater (75%) and two channel (25%) will be kept. Should be interesting. I just have a gut feeling the Anthem (eventhough it's a AVR) will win due to ARC.
post #26 of 119
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

sharok,

I called and spoke with Bob who is the head of the high end gear. He actually told me to look on the website and check the eStore and if it is on there for sale then it's been released if not it hasn't and of course it's not and I asked him if he knew when and of course he had no clue. This shocks me in today's time.

Sharok, have you heard that Emotiva might have built this unit for Nuforce? I've heard rumors but no definitive answers of course. The info sounds very similar. I also asked Bob what Dacs are in the AVP-18 and his reply was "Nuforce does not release this information to the public". Wow, shocked me.

I'm still going to order this unit along with the Emotiva UMC-200 and the Anthem MRX300 and do a little shoot out and of course the best sounding in home theater (75%) and two channel (25%) will be kept. Should be interesting. I just have a gut feeling the Anthem (eventhough it's a AVR) will win due to ARC.

Good Afternoon VT,

I was told by an insider (again, i don't count on their words) about 3 weeks ago that AVP-18 uses an AKM DAC (like Denon 4311ci uses the same DAC and maybe other Denon AVRs).

I do not know whether Emotiva built AVP-18 for Nuforce or not, but I know that UMC-200 does not memorize the surround modes for the input sources. For example if you set HDMI 1 as an input for directv and set the surround mode to dolby PL II , if you move from a stereo channel to a dolby digital channel and back to the stereo channel, you have to set the Dolby PL II mode again. It may have other bugs and issues too that I don't know about. To many people those issues are minor, but I'd like to have features like that.

That is why I prefer Denon to all the rest. With Denon, I don't have any of those issues, It does everything I need it to do with no problems. Yes, it is an AVR and not a separate (just like the Anthem you mentioned). But with the new feature in the Denon (Pre-Amp Mode), it completely disables the internal amps (at least much less interference than before) and you can use your external amps with it, just like a pre/pro
post #27 of 119
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

Sharok, have you heard that Emotiva might have built this unit for Nuforce? I've heard rumors but no definitive answers of course. The info sounds very similar. I also asked Bob what Dacs are in the AVP-18 and his reply was "Nuforce does not release this information to the public". Wow, shocked me.
My guess is they buy from the same OEM, and not that Emotiva makes it for NuForce or vice-versa.
post #28 of 119
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My guess is they buy from the same OEM, and not that Emotiva makes it for NuForce or vice-versa.

I agree and I would bet that Emotiva is the OEM.
post #29 of 119
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Good Afternoon VT,

I was told by an insider (again, i don't count on their words) about 3 weeks ago that AVP-18 uses an AKM DAC (like Denon 4311ci uses the same DAC and maybe other Denon AVRs).

I do not know whether Emotiva built AVP-18 for Nuforce or not, but I know that UMC-200 does not memorize the surround modes for the input sources. For example if you set HDMI 1 as an input for directv and set the surround mode to dolby PL II , if you move from a stereo channel to a dolby digital channel and back to the stereo channel, you have to set the Dolby PL II mode again. It may have other bugs and issues too that I don't know about. To many people those issues are minor, but I'd like to have features like that.

That is why I prefer Denon to all the rest. With Denon, I don't have any of those issues, It does everything I need it to do with no problems. Yes, it is an AVR and not a separate (just like the Anthem you mentioned). But with the new feature in the Denon (Pre-Amp Mode), it completely disables the internal amps (at least much less interference than before) and you can use your external amps with it, just like a pre/pro

Yep, the Denon/Marantz's are rock solid. My AV7005 is rock solid. I just wished it had XT32 that I could give a good listening test to. I would love to have the money to try the Marantz AV8801 with XT32. I might just save my money and test it out.smile.gifbiggrin.gif
post #30 of 119
I wonder if the knobs are metal? I like solid feeling controls.... I wonder why they do not have XLR outputs? Especially since the site calls it "serious".... I would imagine I will be able to check it out at the upcoming hifi show here in SoCal....
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