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post #511 of 782
I had so many issues on my ES6100 with the netflix app. It would have huge lag periods after ending an episode to even display the season. It did not have the autoplay feature that the F series netflix app has had since i purchased it.

There was an overlap period when I had the F6300 and the ES6100 and did a sidebyside, the netflix app on the ES was garbage. I'm so glad i upgraded just even for smart hub v2.0, which is tons better.
post #512 of 782
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Originally Posted by jprc View Post

The Netflix issue isn't related to the wireless. That's happening to everyone. Samsung needs to update the app.

Are you connected wirelessly on 5GHz or 2.4 GHz? 5GHz is best for streaming but you need to keep the router close. 2.4 GHz can be further away and if you live in an area where the 2.4 band is not crowded can stream just fine as well. But if you live in a crowded area, you can get a lot of interference.

Yea i know, but waiting on samsung to update the netflix app is like pissing in the wind, Netflix blames samsung, samsung blames netflix, and the consumer is left in the middle.

my current router is probably to blame, Linksys 160N, POS needs a reboot every couple days. I'm only running 2.4N with this thing. Once newegg gets their act together and ships me my black friday purchase Asus RT-56U I can run both 2.4 and 5 with a reliable access point , the dropping problem should be resolved.
post #513 of 782
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Originally Posted by jprc View Post

Not sure why you deleted this, but about your previous post here, I upgraded to 1118, with no noticeable change from the previous version. I was hoping it would upgrade the Netflix app but it's still the same.

I wasn't sure if this TV uses the same firmware I have the f6300.
post #514 of 782
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Originally Posted by snorge View Post

I wasn't sure if this TV uses the same firmware I have the f6300.

Ok. They apparently use the same FW for F5500/F6300/F6350/F6400/F6800/F7050/F7100/F7150, PDP F5500 on the North American models, although I suppose they could have a separate update for one model if necessary.
post #515 of 782
^^ Firmwares are the same between models that share the same processor.
All those models you listed use the same dual core processor, all other Samsung HDTVs are using single core, I think.
But there are different processors among the models employing single core, I'm not sure why but I suspect it is to avoid cross firmware hacking. For example the F6100 is using a different single core processor from the F5000, so it's not possible to install the F6100 firmware on the F5000 to have 100Hz refresh rate nor 3D.
post #516 of 782
Today I checked what panel I have on my UE32F5000 and it's actually a sharp panel tongue.gif which was quite a surprise as I luckily don't have any problems mentioned in this thread.
post #517 of 782

hi... i have the samsung ue46f5000 panel: 46a6af0s

it is a samsung panel?

Some settings for movies and tv channels?

post #518 of 782
Quick 42f5000 or 42f5500 question:

Is there a way to disable auto dimming in any of the picture modes?

Thanx.
post #519 of 782

Look for Eco-sensor in normal menus and switch off ;)

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466026/official-samsung-unxxf5000-and-unxxf5500-owners-thread/240

 

also have a look at post 262 ;)

post #520 of 782
Thanx a lot smile.gif.

And one last question, input lag between 42f5000 and 42f5500?

I guees there's no difference, but its really important for me to know that.

Same tvs, but 5000 is without smart functiis, right? Same picture quality, same input lag?

Thanx again guys and sorry for repeating, I need quick answers.
post #521 of 782

Ive been told the best way to see a difference in Input lag, when gaming at least, is to switch on Game Mode, apparently it strips out non-essential info that the TV is recieving...or something.

This is a list I read..

 

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag

post #522 of 782
In some cases it seems that just selecting Movie preset or PC mode is enough to totaly defeat autodimming...
I have come to notice that this sometimes actually works on my TV and sometimes doesn't... seems to be a bit aleatory, I don't know why...

Between F5000 and F5500 series picture quality is the same and lag is also mostly the same from what I've seen in reviews (assuming that both are in Game or PC mode).
With the F5500 you are really forced to use PC or Game mode, to lower lag to acceptable levels, on the F5000 this is not so critical.
In my experience, PC mode is more desirable for gaming, than Game mode. Not necessarily due to a lower lag but simply because it's the simplest mode to use.
Edited by kkl10 - 12/13/13 at 10:06am
post #523 of 782
Is there a way to set it when I turn it on it immediately goes to the signal instead of this "smart TV" overlay. Also, about the 500 model, is there any difference in PQ at all? I might prefer that if it is a simpler layout.
post #524 of 782
I don't know about your "smart tv overlay" question as I don't have a smart model.
As for picture quality, it's the same between all F5x00 series and I believe F6x00 series to.
At least, all the f5x00 models have the same base architecture and share the same panels, so any picture quality difference one can find between different units (between a F5000 and a F5500, for example) is probably due to natural manufacturing tolerances/variation.
post #525 of 782
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Originally Posted by Teremei View Post

Is there a way to set it when I turn it on it immediately goes to the signal instead of this "smart TV" overlay. Also, about the 500 model, is there any difference in PQ at all? I might prefer that if it is a simpler layout.

Menu - Smart Features - On TV - Auto Start - Off
post #526 of 782
Picked up a UN32F5500 at BB 2 weeks ago. It's a TS-01 with a manufacture date of Nov 2013, firmware 1117 installed. All 3 of the boxes on the shelf were TS-01 as was the model on display.

Samsung seems to be doing a better job of calibrating (at least in the Movie preset) since my last LCD (not an LED) I got of theirs, a 2007 model (6 years old and still going strong). This one needed only minor tweaking to get a nice picture.

Thanks to all of the previous posters in this thread for helping me decide to get this TV. I am very pleased so far.
post #527 of 782
Differences between F5500/F5000 as far as I can discern: smart/dumb, duel core/single core processor, 3 HDMI/2 HDMI, 2 USB/1 USB, WIFI adapter/no WIFI. One of the USB ports on the 5500 is 5V powered so you can plug in a portable hard drive and watch movies (and play other media) from it. I'm not sure if the USB port on the 5000 allows this. With the 5500 you can play media from other computers or a media server on the same network on the TV through WIFI.

Also, the WIFI adapter on the TV is both 2.4 and 5Ghz capable, which is nice if you have a router that can do 5Ghz. So far, I have only tried the 2.4 band and it works great for me from about 20-25 feet away, but at some point I will probably try turning on my 5Ghz on my router. I will also probably get a wireless keyboard/touch pad combo to plug into the USB to make the web browser easier to maneuver.
post #528 of 782

Ty for info Noworthen, Ive got a f5000, I have a 64gb USB stick and I can put movies on to it and watch through the USB port, not sure if this is what you were meaning, or were referring to whether a external HD can work through it, which Im not sure of, sorry.

Would you mind me asking what the "web browser" is like on the f5500? Ive have a Panasonic PVR with web but there is no ability to surf the net, just allowed to go to their links. Likewise I had a Sony BlueRay player with "browser" that was so appalling I sent it back, it was a pure cheek to call it a web browser, you could get to Google but you couldnt type anything into the search engine?!

Im thinking of getting another Samsung and am tempted to get Smart as connection via the laptop hasnt worked to well for me on the f5000 and I would really like to watch the football on a big tv rather than my laptop.

thanks

post #529 of 782
Auto dimming (the Eco Sensor setting) automatically gets disabled when you change the backlight setting. So if you've changed the backlight setting in say Movie mode, then when you go to that mode dimming will be disabled. You can also set the minimum backlight for the Eco Sensor if you want to use it but don't want to allow the screen to get below a particular brightness. As an example, I have my Min Backlight set to 17 with Auto Motion Plus turned on (which looks good in a bright room with backlight set to 20) so the backlight will decrease to 17 at most in a completely dark room but won't get too dark.
post #530 of 782
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Originally Posted by Rod Creand View Post

Ty for info Noworthen, Ive got a f5000, I have a 64gb USB stick and I can put movies on to it and watch through the USB port, not sure if this is what you were meaning, or were referring to whether a external HD can work through it, which Im not sure of, sorry.
Would you mind me asking what the "web browser" is like on the f5500? Ive have a Panasonic PVR with web but there is no ability to surf the net, just allowed to go to their links. Likewise I had a Sony BlueRay player with "browser" that was so appalling I sent it back, it was a pure cheek to call it a web browser, you could get to Google but you couldnt type anything into the search engine?!
Im thinking of getting another Samsung and am tempted to get Smart as connection via the laptop hasnt worked to well for me on the f5000 and I would really like to watch the football on a big tv rather than my laptop.
thanks
Yes, the 5500 allows you to use an external HDD on the top usb port only (the bottom port can not power a HDD) not just a usb stick. I'm not sure if the lone usb port on the 5000 puts out the necessary power for a HDD.

I have not used the browser extensively as it is a bit clunky to use with the remote control. That's why I want to get a wireless keyboard/touch pad for it. It has 2 search engines built in as defaults that you can pick between: I think they were google and the microsoft one. It has some limitations compared to a regular browser (such as no java script) but does most things like playing flash stuff like youtube, etc. When you go to type something like a url into a field an onscreen keyboard pops up like a smartphone but it is more difficult to use since you have to navigate with the remote instead of a touchscreen as on a smartphone. A wireless keyboard should make it much easier to maneuver.
post #531 of 782

thankyou :)

post #532 of 782
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Originally Posted by snorge View Post

Pretty sure my new 6300 has the Netflix and Amazon buttons so they must have updated the remote at some point.

Pity they didn't completely redesign it so that it doesn't use identically sized and shaped buttons across the surface with an ergonomic design that makes it difficult to figure out which way up the damn thing is when you grab it in the dark. Samsung make terrible remotes. Badly designed with poor tactile recognition.
post #533 of 782
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Originally Posted by noworthen View Post

Yes, the 5500 allows you to use an external HDD on the top usb port only (the bottom port can not power a HDD) not just a usb stick. I'm not sure if the lone usb port on the 5000 puts out the necessary power for a HDD.

I have not used the browser extensively as it is a bit clunky to use with the remote control. That's why I want to get a wireless keyboard/touch pad for it. It has 2 search engines built in as defaults that you can pick between: I think they were google and the microsoft one. It has some limitations compared to a regular browser (such as no java script) but does most things like playing flash stuff like youtube, etc. When you go to type something like a url into a field an onscreen keyboard pops up like a smartphone but it is more difficult to use since you have to navigate with the remote instead of a touchscreen as on a smartphone. A wireless keyboard should make it much easier to maneuver.

The 5000 does not allow a hard drive, only USB flash drives.

I also really like the network share function on the 5500 you mentioned earlier. Before I bought it, I didn't realize it had that function and then after I connected it to my network, it automatically found my media server and I saw it in the source list to my surprise with all my videos/music/photos available to play on my TV.

You can also get media content from your smartphone over wifi with the proper apps on your phone. It's part of the AllShare function. It has two sections - Content and Mirroring. Mirroring is limited to Samsung devices but Content is for any phone/tablet and if you have a media app on your mobile device that can connect to TVs you can connect it through that and send your media from your phone to TV.

Also, using the wireless connection allows for remote control of your TV through remote control apps on your phone connected to the same network. I use my phone to change volume or change channels when I'm in different room from the TV that the IR remote can't work from.

The browser is better than most smart device browsers. It's not a computer replacement but it's not meant to be. It's meant to primarily view media content and it's useful for that. You won't be able to view everything of course and it has it's limitations, but I can watch video from all the sources I'm personally interested in on it so it works for me. As I stated earlier in this thread, the navigation is very slow so have a bit of patience, but that does not affect the video quality. Once you get the video playing, it's smooth (as long as you have a decent internet connection of course) and all the videos I've played I've had no problem going fullscreen either. To make navigation less tiresome, just bookmark the pages you go to most, as close as you can get to where you would be choosing the video to play. When you are not playing video, PIP even works in the browser so you can watch TV while you're waiting for those webpages to load (PIP will stop when you play a video). Keyboard and mouse and definite improvement and I got a cheap $20 wireless combo that works great - no need to buy the more expensive Samsung one.

Also, make sure to check out all the apps that are not pre-installed in the Smart Hub. When you go to the Smart Hub, find the app called Samsumg Apps and you will be able to browse the whole library of apps you can install. For instance, Plex has an app if you have a Plex server set up. Lots of video and music apps in there too, some news stuff, and there's some kids stuff like the Angry Birds Toon channel (or maybe some adults watch that too - ha) and some very simple games. Most apps are free to install - occasionally something is paid, but all the ones I wanted are free - that's up to the developer, not Samsung.

Anyway, so much you can do on this TV when you utilize all it's features, it's pretty impressive for the price.

Oh, one more thing to add to the difference between the 5000 and 5500 is the IR extender that allows you to use the Samsumg remote to control your other devices.
Another thing, is an ethernet port.

And this doesn't apply to the North American models, but some (maybe all?) of the the European/Asian 5500 models allow recording/PVR to a hard drive.
Edited by jprc - 12/14/13 at 3:17pm
post #534 of 782
Just to clarify:
The USB port on the F5000 can accept hard drives as long as these have no higher than 2TB storage capacity and are self-powered (external power supply). It may accept HDDs that are powered by the USB port if the power requirements don't exceed 5V 500mA.
I use a flash MP3 player and an old 3,5" 360GB self-powered HDD through the USB port without problem.
The HDD is partitioned in 2 volumes and the TV recognizes both, but it doesn't recognize 3 partitions.
post #535 of 782
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Originally Posted by kkl10 View Post

Just to clarify:
The USB port on the F5000 can accept hard drives as long as these have no higher than 2TB storage capacity and are self-powered (external power supply). It may accept HDDs that are powered by the USB port if the power requirements don't exceed 5V 500mA.
I use a flash MP3 player and an old 3,5" 360GB self-powered HDD through the USB port without problem.
The HDD is partitioned in 2 volumes and the TV recognizes both, but it doesn't recognize 3 partitions.

Oh, that's good. I wonder if that's a difference between the N. American and European versions. Maybe someone with an American version can try it. Samsung might just say it's not officially supported but it can still work. Or maybe Samsung just has some incorrect or old info on their website. Anyway, that's good to know. HD video files are so large, much better to be able to use a HDD. Here's the N. American info: http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/iframe/pop_troubleshooting_fr.jsp?idx=445292&modelname=UN40F5000AF&modelcode=UN40F5000AFXZA&session_id=SsfJV635mLbGSNn4J0v7ThGzZTNQlyjnPwCpzyNLfQ906BD222W1!1677130453!-1214040522!1387061076504&from_osc=&homeid=57329
Edited by jprc - 12/14/13 at 3:04pm
post #536 of 782
The UK User Manual of the F5000 also states that HDD is not supported on one sentence... but on a line shortly after states that a particular eco power saving behaviour, or something like that, might be triggered with the connected HDD... kind of confusing.
I think Samsung just didn't care to write things in an inteligible way or they just don't want to have people yelling at them because of some annoying issue with the player, so I take their words on this subject with a grain of salt and just test it myself.
I'm pretty sure that most TVs nowadays support 2 TB HDDs as long as the power requirements are satisfied, I see no reason why the F5000 either american or european, wouldn't support it.
Actually it wouldn't make sense to not support HDDs, seeing how prevalent is the marketing for the USB video playback feature and seeing how in fact the media player has such an high amount of video format compability and has more than enough hardware capability to playback bluray quality video (it can in fact play video with bitrates and framerates which go beyond the specs, although less reliably, tested myself).
To have such an high quality player and not be able to use an HDD would be a major negligence by Samsung and I think they know it but also don't want to take responsability for any problems people might be experiencing yet.
As far as I can discern, the USB/AllShare mediaplayer is still a bit of a work in progress.

For those in doubt I suggest you just try by yourselves.
HDDs work fine on mine and many other F5000 and F5500 in my country and should work with most others.
post #537 of 782
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Originally Posted by kkl10 View Post

After weeks of tweaking,


For Xbox 360 (Games) and PC:

PC mode
Preset: Standard
Color Tone: Standard
Backlight: 10 - 12
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 46
Sharpness: 50 (for 1080 material, if less than that I'll go higher)
Screen Size: 16:9
Gamma: -2
White Balance: 24, 25, 25, 10, 35, 35
HDMI Black Level: Normal
Everything else is grayed out.

Settings on Xbox:
Resolution: 1080p
Color Space: RGB
Reference Level: Expanded
Display find (or something like that): Enabled

Thanks, I really like this for PS4 too. Makes Black Flag seem even more natural and the colors just "pop" more. I think it helped that I went into the PS4 settings and changed from "auto" or whatever and selected 1080p. Because it looks naturally more sharp now. I don't use the same settings for WiiU because those games tend to be more "colorful and gamey" graphics as opposed to going for realism. So I set backlight and color a bit higher. I also tend to like Dynamic contrast higher or black levels low or "darkest". I enjoy the look of that.

I have a concern though. I am not sure but my best guess is it is "clouding"? When playing Assassin's Creed Black Flag on PS4 and there is a bright sky when a rotate the camera around it almost seems there is some un-uniformity in the lighting. It's not constant and hard to see, but once you see it, it cannot be unseen. I want to know should I just expect some or is it possible to get a 32" F550 with hardly any at all? Kinda sucks to be replacing a 4 year old 26" LCD with a beautiful display that adds a new, very annoying problem. I can't unsee it now and I need some encouragement that a replacement might not have that problem. It is a TS01 panel.
post #538 of 782
That's not clouding, it's probably some form of "banding" or "Dirty Screen Effect".
See if changing the backlight setting minimizes the problem.
My TV also has faint DSE or banding but I barelly notice it most of the time and I'm not bothered by it.
Uniformity imperfections are common in LCD screens due to the way they are manufactured.
People should already expect this with LCD technology.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1500841/dark-corners-normal-on-my-new-led-tv#post_24025509

If your banding is minimal and you only see it in rare or particular circumstances I would advice you to keep it and just don't look for it.
A replacement may or may not have the same or others issues to a perceivable extent, it's a lucky guess.
Even high end LCD displays can suffer from uniformity issues.

To improve your TV calibration I would suggest that you get the free AVS HD 709 calibration suite and use it to reach your own optimal results.

EDIT: I realised your issue might be something else... if you mean to say that when you are supposed to see a smooth gradient in a monochromatic color background you see instead several clearly delineated steps of different shades of color, then that's color banding/posterization and that is an issue of the source or the content itself or simply due to the fact that the F5000 is an 8 bit per pixel display. If this is what is going on (you should clarify further) then there's nothing you can do and replacing your TV by another won't do anything to eliminate the issue. In this case you should try to see if your PS4 is correctly configured and if it has an option to send higher than 8 bit per pixel of color depth then you could see if playing with it would help...
Edited by kkl10 - 12/15/13 at 8:06am
post #539 of 782
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Originally Posted by kkl10 View Post

The UK User Manual of the F5000 also states that HDD is not supported on one sentence... but on a line shortly after states that a particular eco power saving behaviour, or something like that, might be triggered with the connected HDD... kind of confusing.
I think Samsung just didn't care to write things in an inteligible way or they just don't want to have people yelling at them because of some annoying issue with the player, so I take their words on this subject with a grain of salt and just test it myself.
I'm pretty sure that most TVs nowadays support 2 TB HDDs as long as the power requirements are satisfied, I see no reason why the F5000 either american or european, wouldn't support it.
Actually it wouldn't make sense to not support HDDs, seeing how prevalent is the marketing for the USB video playback feature and seeing how in fact the media player has such an high amount of video format compability and has more than enough hardware capability to playback bluray quality video (it can in fact play video with bitrates and framerates which go beyond the specs, although less reliably, tested myself).
To have such an high quality player and not be able to use an HDD would be a major negligence by Samsung and I think they know it but also don't want to take responsability for any problems people might be experiencing yet.
As far as I can discern, the USB/AllShare mediaplayer is still a bit of a work in progress.

For those in doubt I suggest you just try by yourselves.
HDDs work fine on mine and many other F5000 and F5500 in my country and should work with most others.
Yeah, it seems the main reason that they say it's not supported is the power requirement for the HDD. On the 5500 the HDD usb port says it's 1 A, so it puts out twice the current of a normal usb 2.0 port (maybe it's usb 3.0 which is 900 mA?). Some of the older external HDD that didn't have their own power connection had some problems getting enough power directly from the usb port. Most of the newer ones seem to work fine on 500 mA but some ports on devices don't even supply that even though they are supposed under usb specs.

There is an Eco setting that turns off the tv if there is no response from the user within a specified time. This might be what they were referring to. If the tv shuts the power off to the HDD during read/write operations you could lose data or corrupt the file (possibly even brick the drive). It is best to make sure this setting is turned off if ANY storage device is connected to the usb port.
post #540 of 782
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Originally Posted by kkl10 View Post

That's not clouding, it's probably some form of "banding" or "Dirty Screen Effect".
See if changing the backlight setting minimizes the problem.
My TV also has faint DSE or banding but I barelly notice it most of the time and I'm not bothered by it.
Uniformity imperfections are common in LCD screens due to the way they are manufactured.
People should already expect this with LCD technology.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1500841/dark-corners-normal-on-my-new-led-tv#post_24025509

If your banding is minimal and you only see it in rare or particular circumstances I would advice you to keep it and just don't look for it.
A replacement may or may not have the same or others issues to a perceivable extent, it's a lucky guess.
Even high end LCD displays can suffer from uniformity issues.

To improve your TV calibration I would suggest that you get the free AVS HD 709 calibration suite and use it to reach your own optimal results.

EDIT: I realised your issue might be something else... if you mean to say that when you are supposed to see a smooth gradient in a monochromatic color background you see instead several clearly delineated steps of different shades of color, then that's color banding/posterization and that is an issue of the source or the content itself or simply due to the fact that the F5000 is an 8 bit per pixel display. If this is what is going on (you should clarify further) then there's nothing you can do and replacing your TV by another won't do anything to eliminate the issue. In this case you should try to see if your PS4 is correctly configured and if it has an option to send higher than 8 bit per pixel of color depth then you could see if playing with it would help...

"Dirty Screen Effect" DSE, yeah that is probably what I have. It's not rare it is very very often. I mean pretty much any time I slightly rotate the camera. I can handle it if it's rare, but mine seem to be very noticeable, and very frequently. I will return mine and try another set.
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