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post #121 of 417
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Originally Posted by broseanrichard View Post

Tried your settings on mine and it looks much better then the stock settings. Did you change any of the other setting like dymanic contrast, black level, edge enhance, noise cancelling etc. thanks

I keep all post processing effects off. Sorry, I should have specified that. Black level should be set to your source, preferably to high for RGB sources. Make sure the device you are playing from is set to expanded black levels as well.

To reiterate:

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Edge Enhance: Off
Noise cancelling/smooth motion: Off
Black level: High for RGB signals, Low for YCbCr signals. Auto will usually choose those settings for you depending on the source. Just make sure your device output matches what the TV is expecting.
post #122 of 417
Ok thanks.
post #123 of 417
Ok thanks.
post #124 of 417
Good evening, just wanted to ask a simple question. With this TV you can connect to the Internet via WiFi?
post #125 of 417
this tv's firmware can be updated in the future? (if lg launches an update)
i'm talking about the 42ln5300 model
post #126 of 417
Hi, what is the best UK version I can get, is it the LN5400? Or another model. Will use for general PC work and gaming (FPS)
post #127 of 417
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Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post

1.) - PC mode would probably be best for the PS3, although I think 4:4:4 is on by default on most of the picture modes.

2.) - Ghosting is not a problem at all. There is still the typical "blur" associated with all lcds, of course. The only way to get perfect motion in games is to have a 120hz TN panel with lightboost enabled via a higher end Nvidia GPU.

I have done a very unscientific test on the input lag using http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/. It is a simple test that tests your reaction time by having you click when the light changes from red to green. I average 170 ms reaction time on my TN panel with less than 5 MS of input lag. On the LG LN5300, I average 200 ms. I would say the input lag is likely 20-30 MS. I tested this in game mode, and not PC. It may be more responsive in PC mode. The mouse pointer was responsive, but I could sense a little bit of the "floating" feeling that latency can have on the cursor. I played a few hours of Battlefield 3 on the PC, and I had no trouble with precisely targeting enemies.

3.) - I assume your monitor is one of the Korean displays. The PS3 should look better on the LG TV, as I have found 720P (most console game's native resolution is 500-720p) has a lot of jaggies and other artifacts when upscaled on native 1440 displays. The colors on this set will look at least as good as your monitor, but I am unsure of how their black level would compare.

4.) - The problem with cheaper TVs like this one is the strong likelihood of a panel lottery. I suspect my 39" LN5300 has a different panel than my 32". I didn't write down the model number of the 32", so I am afraid I can't compare them. The viewing angles on my LG 39" are not the greatest. I can notice a shift in gamma when viewing from anywhere other than the dead center (Nowhere near as pronounced as it is on a VA or TN panel). I don't remember having that problem on the 32", but unfortunately can't be 100% certain. I will try and get a 10x magnifying glass to determine the panel type sometime this week.

My model was manufactured February of 2013 in Mexico. Model ends in UB-AUSJLJM.

I am unfamiliar with Microcenter's return policy, but Best Buy has a very reasonable return policy. There is little risk to buy and give it a try.

Edit: I did some more research, and I am wondering if this set (or at least the 39" version) uses a VA panel with decent overdrive control. The size is technically 38.5. The closest size on the Panelook.com database is 39" and they are all VA panels. The VA panel would also explain the above average black level and inferior viewing angles that I have observed.

Edit 2: I tested the screen by applying light pressure with a cloth on the screen surface, and noticed the usual response VA panels have. A light circle with a geometric pattern appears at point of contact, and moving the point of contact leaves a trail that takes time to fade. I am now almost positive this is a VA panel. Now to find out what type of VA panel it is and who manufactured it.

http://www.panelook.com/sizmodlist.php?order=panel_id&by=desc&pagesize=30&sizes[]=39&product_composition=LCM&resolution_pixels=19201080&lamp_type=WLED


I currently use a 42lh40 and get a reaction time of 295.6ms and on my laptop led lcd i get about 267.4ms. I do not have a CRT to truly measure but if I can decrease my response time to 200ms (don't know if im just not fast enough lol) i will buy this. Input lag is holding me back on getting a new 42" vs a 27". With my setup (using one screen in my living room for PC gaming and Netflix) I don't have a choice with choosing a 42" over a 27" monitor.

On my 42lh40 I do notice I suck a lot more in FPS's (actually since I've been using TV's) and I used to be a top 10 player in UT2k4 in the world on their global ranking system so I am no noob.

I want to know if I can expect a much closer reflection in regards to input lag to monitors with this tv over my current 42lh40?

Just trying to make sure its worth buying a new TV as reselling a TV is a PITA.
post #128 of 417
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Originally Posted by saga414 View Post

I currently use a 42lh40 and get a reaction time of 295.6ms and on my laptop led lcd i get about 267.4ms. I do not have a CRT to truly measure but if I can decrease my response time to 200ms (don't know if im just not fast enough lol) i will buy this. Input lag is holding me back on getting a new 42" vs a 27". With my setup (using one screen in my living room for PC gaming and Netflix) I don't have a choice with choosing a 42" over a 27" monitor.

On my 42lh40 I do notice I suck a lot more in FPS's (actually since I've been using TV's) and I used to be a top 10 player in UT2k4 in the world on their global ranking system so I am no noob.

I want to know if I can expect a much closer reflection in regards to input lag to monitors with this tv over my current 42lh40?

Just trying to make sure its worth buying a new TV as reselling a TV is a PITA.

The LN5300 is more a monitor than a TV, at least the VA panel 32" and 39" ones are. The 42" is some type of IPS, and I believe the 42LH50 is a S-IPS. IPS panels usually have higher input lag, although a lot of IPS monitors have recently gotten input lag down to the imperceptible levels (Eizo Foris comes to mind, using the Samsung PLS panel). If you were to buy the 32" or 39" version of the LN5300, it is highly unlikely you will notice any input lag. I would put the lag between .5 and 1 frames/15-20ms, generally not noticeable except for the most sensitive of individuals. I CAN notice it in some games that run at 30 frames per second, but it will have a very minor effect on things like sniping moving targets and blocking/countering attacks in fighting games. On Console games that run at a steady 60 fps, there may as well be 0 input lag (Call of Duty is known for running at 60 FPS). Hopefully the next gen consoles will make 60 FPS the norm for all games. Again, there will still be input lag to some degree that can have a minor effect on your performance. But for 99.99% of gamers, it is doubtful it will be noticed or affect your performance. If you are part of the niche group of ultra competitive gamers, then you likely already have a TN panel specifically for competitive play.

In other words, this TV is the fastest 32"/39" on the market other than the Samsung EH5000. This display also handles motion a lot better than the EH5000, or at least better than the EH5000s I have seen. The VA panel will also have better black levels than your current IPS 42LH40, and should make a noticeable difference in perceived contrast (IPS is usually between 500:1/1200:1, VA is 2500:1/5000:1). Your 42LH40 also uses 120hz interpolation (not the same thing as true 120hz found on TN panel monitors) which can smooth motion significantly, but introduces a LOT of input lag. Always keep smoothing functions disabled if input lag is your primary concern, as interpolation adds more input lag than anything else.

To answer your original question... Yes. This TV in the 32" or 39" version will noticeably improve your response time and picture quality. Another bonus it has over monitors is that this display uses a direct backlight, rather than the typical edge lighting used in monitors and most cheaper TVs. This results in much better uniformity and very little backlight bleed. There is also no IPS glow, which drives many IPS owners crazy. Instead there is a VA gamma cone, which can cause some of the extreme edges and corner to shift to gamma a bit, creating a "viewing cone". It is only noticeable if you look for it (staring at the extreme corners of your screen). I can not emphasize enough just how subtle it is. Some users in this thread have reported some clouding/bleeding issues, but I am willing to bet that it is a manufacturing defect and should prompt an immediate return. Quality control on these cheaper TVs isn't the greatest, and the consistency of quality can vary greatly from one display to another. Try and buy from a brick and mortar store if you can, as it makes exchanging as hassle-free as possible.

If your primary concern is competitive gaming, then pick up one of the 120hz TN panels, or a 27" panel with less than 10ms of lag. If you care more about immersion and contrast in all forms of media, then stick with this TV or the Samsung EH5000. For me, immersion and having a display that handles all media is much more important than increasing my K/D ratio by 0.1 for a few select games.
Edited by Tralfamadore - 5/28/13 at 12:49am
post #129 of 417
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Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post

The LN5300 is more a monitor than a TV, at least the VA panel 32" and 39" ones are. The 42" is some type of IPS, and I believe the 42LH50 is a S-IPS. IPS panels usually have higher input lag, although a lot of IPS monitors have recently gotten input lag down to the imperceptible levels (Eizo Foris comes to mind, using the Samsung PLS panel). If you were to buy the 32" or 39" version of the LN5300, it is highly unlikely you will notice any input lag. I would put the lag between .5 and 1 frames/15-20ms, generally not noticeable except for the most sensitive of individuals. I CAN notice it in some games that run at 30 frames per second, but it will have a very minor effect on things like sniping moving targets and blocking/countering attacks in fighting games. On Console games that run at a steady 60 fps, there may as well be 0 input lag (Call of Duty is known for running at 60 FPS). Hopefully the next gen consoles will make 60 FPS the norm for all games. Again, there will still be input lag to some degree that can have a minor effect on your performance. But for 99.99% of gamers, it is doubtful it will be noticed or affect your performance. If you are part of the niche group of ultra competitive gamers, then you likely already have a TN panel specifically for competitive play.

In other words, this TV is the fastest 32"/39" on the market other than the Samsung EH5000. This display also handles motion a lot better than the EH5000, or at least better than the EH5000s I have seen. The VA panel will also have better black levels than your current IPS 42LH40, and should make a noticeable difference in perceived contrast (IPS is usually between 500:1/1200:1, VA is 2500:1/5000:1). Your 42LH40 also uses 120hz interpolation (not the same thing as true 120hz found on TN panel monitors) which can smooth motion significantly, but introduces a LOT of input lag. Always keep smoothing functions disabled if input lag is your primary concern, as interpolation adds more input lag than anything else.

To answer your original question... Yes. This TV in the 32" or 39" version will noticeably improve your response time and picture quality. Another bonus it has over monitors is that this display uses a direct backlight, rather than the typical edge lighting used in monitors and most cheaper TVs. This results in much better uniformity and very little backlight bleed. There is also no IPS glow, which drives many IPS owners crazy. Instead there is a VA gamma cone, which can cause some of the extreme edges and corner to shift to gamma a bit, creating a "viewing cone". It is only noticeable if you look for it (staring at the extreme corners of your screen). I can not emphasize enough just how subtle it is. Some users in this thread have reported some clouding/bleeding issues, but I am willing to bet that it is a manufacturing defect and should prompt an immediate return. Quality control on these cheaper TVs isn't the greatest, and the consistency of quality can vary greatly from one display to another. Try and buy from a brick and mortar store if you can, as it makes exchanging as hassle-free as possible.

If your primary concern is competitive gaming, then pick up one of the 120hz TN panels, or a 27" panel with less than 10ms of lag. If you care more about immersion and contrast in all forms of media, then stick with this TV or the Samsung EH5000. For me, immersion and having a display that handles all media is much more important than increasing my K/D ratio by 0.1 for a few select games.

Thanks that helps my decision in buying this monitor. However I am looking at the 42" as I don't wish to downgrade from my current size now. Does all of what you say about the 32/39 apply to the 42"?

My reaction time on my 27" viewsonic monitor at work is 239ms avg and on my 42lh40 without any postprocessing effects is about 290ish ms. Considerable difference.
post #130 of 417
I picked up the 39LN5300 to replace an aging Westinghouse LVM-37W3 37" and I'm having a lot of trouble.

I have it set up with a DVI to HDMI cable using 4:4:4 from my PC. Text is clear, but the whites are a little too bright and colors a little too muted. I'm sure that can be fixed with more extensive tweaking, but there is another issue that is making me want to send it back...

Sitting about 3.5 feet back (same distance as my Westinghouse if not 6 inches farther) I am seeing substantial brightness issues on the left and right edges. It's very evident if I move my head side to side as it shifts more or less depending on the side. I never had any of these issues on my old LVM-37W3. Am I don't something wrong?

I took some images with my phone:




Thanks.
post #131 of 417
I returned the LG... beware anyone who is looking for a Westinghouse replacement for the PC. I can only assume it is a panel lottery because of all the other good reports. Mine was purchased through Amazon.com.
post #132 of 417
Finally purchased the 39LN5300! And I'm not sure what I think. I've only watched TV and played PS3 games with it so far (no time too hook it up to my PC but I'll get to it!). Using Tralfamadore's latest calibrations, the colors overall do look better, but it looks a little blurry. Hard to tell with a picture taken by my smartphone, but it's there and I hope this could be of any use:



Infamous 2 especially, it looks really bad. And I heard this was supposed to be one of the best looking games on the PS3. The edges and lines are super jaggy, while the overall picture quality is kind of blurry.



(that's my window on the right, ignore that :P )



I don't know if this is how the TV looks, or I have the settings wrong, or if its just because PS3 games look old. The ultimate test will be hooking it up to my PC and playing games on it, then I will let you know! But in the meantime did anyone get any ideas from what it might be from these pictures?

Also I can hear a pretty audible buzzing noise coming from the back of the TV. Is that normal for you as well?
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Originally Posted by anonuser1 View Post

I picked up the 39LN5300 to replace an aging Westinghouse LVM-37W3 37" and I'm having a lot of trouble.

I have it set up with a DVI to HDMI cable using 4:4:4 from my PC. Text is clear, but the whites are a little too bright and colors a little too muted. I'm sure that can be fixed with more extensive tweaking, but there is another issue that is making me want to send it back...

Sitting about 3.5 feet back (same distance as my Westinghouse if not 6 inches farther) I am seeing substantial brightness issues on the left and right edges. It's very evident if I move my head side to side as it shifts more or less depending on the side. I never had any of these issues on my old LVM-37W3. Am I don't something wrong?

I took some images with my phone:




Thanks.
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Originally Posted by anonuser1 View Post

I returned the LG... beware anyone who is looking for a Westinghouse replacement for the PC. I can only assume it is a panel lottery because of all the other good reports. Mine was purchased through Amazon.com.

I'm afraid you got a lemon. Mine looks nothing like that. frown.gif I've heard of a few issues with these TV's, but fortunately I haven't had a problem yet *knock on wood*
Edited by suade - 6/16/13 at 7:36pm
post #133 of 417
Sorry to double post, just wanted to continue reporting my findings as well as ask you guys a question.

So I did the LAGOM test for viewing angles.
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php

When looking directly head on, the grey background turns a pinkish hue towards the left and right edges of the screen, and turns that color completely when looking on an angle. It definitely is VA then. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that all 32" and 39" LN5300's are VA, and all the 42"s are IPS. I don't think the $80 price difference between the 39" and 42" inch is from the 3 inch screen size difference.

With that being said, I'm looking to upgrade to 42" for two reasons. After comparing the 39LN5300 with my PLS monitor, I could instantly tell that the TV (even calibrated) looks noticeable more washed out than my monitor. That is not to say that this is a good looking TV, I'm just probably a snob who will not settle for anything less than IPS/PLS colors tongue.gif. This monitor has changed my expectations in displays completely! Also, a more reasonable reason. My TV will much higher up than where I'm sitting, so the colors are definitely distorted at the angle I'll be viewing it. Even looking directly at the monitor, the LAGOM test did show the colors getting distorted a little around the edges. An IPS monitor should be better to look at if you need to look up more at the TV.

I can deal with the backlight bleed and IPS glow, but my question to you guys is how will the input lag/overall responsiveness of the TV compare between the 32"/39" and 42" versions? Is the IPS panel in the 42" TV noticeably worse? I don't know how this TV fares with an IPS panel. It would be easy to say that all IPS panels have more lag, but I was proven wrong with my 6ms IPS monitor and a 5ms PLS monitor.

Thank you smile.gif
post #134 of 417
Just a heads up, there is new firmware (ver 03.11.13) for LG LN5300 series TV's. No change log has been released. I have contact LG support for this information and have yet to hear anything back. The firmware specifically applied to:
32LN5300-UB, 32LN530B-UA, 39LN5300-UB, 42LN5300-UB and 50LN5310-UB.
post #135 of 417
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Originally Posted by mediatrek View Post

Just a heads up, there is new firmware (ver 03.11.13) for LG LN5300 series TV's. No change log has been released. I have contact LG support for this information and have yet to hear anything back. The firmware specifically applied to:
32LN5300-UB, 32LN530B-UA, 39LN5300-UB, 42LN5300-UB and 50LN5310-UB.

Since I have the 5300 version, I cannot get the update I guess frown.gif Unless it's covered under warranty. Do you know if LG will come to your house and install the update for free? I'd do it myself, but since it involves the service port I really don't know what to do.
post #136 of 417
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Since I have the 5300 version, I cannot get the update I guess frown.gif Unless it's covered under warranty. Do you know if LG will come to your house and install the update for free? I'd do it myself, but since it involves the service port I really don't know what to do.

You have a blank USB flash drive?

On the empty drive make a folder called "LG_DTV." Then copy the .bin firmware file into that folder. With the TV on, plug the USB flash drive into your LN5300, which does come with a USB port. It will come up prompting you showing your current firmware version and what you will be upgrading to. Confirm that you want to upgrade. It will show a progress bar as it updates and then your TV will shut off. Remove the USB flash drive and then turn your TV on. You are then updated.
post #137 of 417
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Originally Posted by sweeper240 View Post

You all need to understand something...

This is the pixel pattern of the 39inch (along with a dead pixel) (39LN5300)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-k54aZYXQ1r4/UZ69CtDDxYI/AAAAAAAAFSI/o7IS0gM1CKY/w412-h611-no/IMG_20130522_182234_572.jpg
NOT IPS

This is the pixel pattern of the 42inch LN5700 by LG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PPODN2g65eI/UZ68nxPlggI/AAAAAAAAFRc/zx7HrESCOek/w430-h302-no/IMG_20130523_161830_073.jpg
should be S-IPS

Correct me if I am wrong, but the 42 is going to be the superior option.

Could someone please verify if the 42LN5300 is IPS or MVA? Or is it just the 42LN5700 that has an IPS panel?
post #138 of 417
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Originally Posted by freedome View Post

Could someone please verify if the 42LN5300 is IPS or MVA? Or is it just the 42LN5700 that has an IPS panel?

I really hope this isn't true frown.gif but I will be getting the 42" soon hopefully so I'll let you know. This actually sounds plausible, because the price difference between the 42LN5300 and 42LN5700 is over $200, whereas the price difference between the 5300 and 5700 for the 32" and 39" models are only $100. You have me worried now, I can't afford the 42LN5700 eek.gif
Edited by suade - 6/17/13 at 6:01am
post #139 of 417
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Originally Posted by suade View Post

I really hope this isn't true frown.gif but I will be getting the 42" soon hopefully so I'll let you know. This actually sounds plausible, because the price difference between the 42LN5300 and 42LN5700 is over $200, whereas the price difference between the 5300 and 5700 for the 32" and 39" models are only $100. You have me worried now, I can't afford the 42LN5700 eek.gif
I also can't afford the smart version, and was planning on buying the 32LN5300 which has a MVA panel. But I would rather get the 42LN5300 if it has an IPS panel. Please let me know what you find out.
post #140 of 417
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Originally Posted by suade View Post

. Using Tralfamadore's latest calibrations, the colors overall do look better, but it looks a little blurry . . .The edges and lines are super jaggy, while the overall picture quality is kind of blurry.

I'd recommend adjusting your sharpness setting using a sharpness test pattern image. Ensure the image is 1080p (1920x1080). Also check to make sure any sort of edge enhancement and noise reduction settings are disabled.

A good thread on the topic.
post #141 of 417
so I just typed up a long post that had all my current settings for achieving near perfect PQ until my browser crashed. So I don't want to take the time to type it again because much of it is similar to others' setting, but I will say that WARM1 is the correct color temperature to start towards 6500k and that 4:4:4 is recommended to calibrate for perfect sharpness.

Why I say WARM1 is because all the other's either boost red or blue over green. Only WARM1 boosts green AND red to offset the blue saturation. Warm2 only boosts red and is too warm.
post #142 of 417
Is the UK version of this set the 32LN540V? I imagine it is, but I would just like to double check. Also I am mostly used to using pc monitors as displays which is why I am interested in this tv as it seems like a good monitor replacement. I am thinking of using this in my bedroom desk setup for pc and console gaming, is 32 inches a problem for up close use? I don't have the luxury of a large bedroom unfortunately which is why I ask.
post #143 of 417
I'm returning my 39" and I'll be picking up the 42LN5300 on Friday. Hopefully will have a confirmation by then.

I just want to repeat the question, because if we get a confirmation that it isn't IPS, I don't want to look like an ass at my job and return 39" for the 42", to go back to a 39" :P

Can anyone with a 42LN5300 confirm if the panel is an IPS? You can use this test
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php

If the image turns a pink hue when viewing at an extreme angle it is not IPS. Also you can take a magnifying glass or a really good camera and take a look at the pixels. If they are chevron shaped then you got an IPS.

Thanks again!
post #144 of 417
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so I just typed up a long post that had all my current settings for achieving near perfect PQ until my browser crashed. So I don't want to take the time to type it again because much of it is similar to others' setting, but I will say that WARM1 is the correct color temperature to start towards 6500k and that 4:4:4 is recommended to calibrate for perfect sharpness.

Why I say WARM1 is because all the other's either boost red or blue over green. Only WARM1 boosts green AND red to offset the blue saturation. Warm2 only boosts red and is too warm.

You can find my post with my results on page 4 where I found Warm2 is much closer to 6500k. The Warm1 setting had blue jacked WAY up, and it was reading a color temperature over 1100k. I have since done repeated calibrations trying to dial the gamut closer to reference, and will have a lot more results to share. I will generate two .chc files with colorhcfr using the Warm1 and Warm2 defaults to give you an idea of the difference between them. I will also post the after calibration .chc file as well. You only need to download the HCFR software to load the files and see the results.

I achieved these results with the 39ln5300, and it is entirely possible the 42" behaves very differently. I used the i1 pro Rev. D, and used a Colormunki Photo to double check my results. Both are spectrometers. I have been very busy lately, so it may be a bit longer for me to get around to it.
post #145 of 417
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I'm returning my 39" and I'll be picking up the 42LN5300 on Friday. Hopefully will have a confirmation by then.

I just want to repeat the question, because if we get a confirmation that it isn't IPS, I don't want to look like an ass at my job and return 39" for the 42", to go back to a 39" :P

Can anyone with a 42LN5300 confirm if the panel is an IPS? You can use this test
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php

If the image turns a pink hue when viewing at an extreme angle it is not IPS. Also you can take a magnifying glass or a really good camera and take a look at the pixels. If they are chevron shaped then you got an IPS.

Thanks again!

I have the 42LN5300, it is IPS. I actually tried to find it in VA locally but could not, it seems to follow the same box coding as previous years models, where a 'Y' 4 characters from the end means IPS. The 39" had a different letter there and the display model was VA. Viewing angles for colorful pictures are great, but darks have a distracting IPS glow most noticeable in a dark room. I will probably return mine soon because of that glow. It may be fine for a monitor, but not for a tv.


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Originally Posted by suade View Post


I can deal with the backlight bleed and IPS glow, but my question to you guys is how will the input lag/overall responsiveness of the TV compare between the 32"/39" and 42" versions? Is the IPS panel in the 42" TV noticeably worse? I don't know how this TV fares with an IPS panel. It would be easy to say that all IPS panels have more lag, but I was proven wrong with my 6ms IPS monitor and a 5ms PLS monitor.

Thank you smile.gif

Input lag is low.
I briefly had this and the samsung 46EH5000 at the same time before I returned it (T02 version, samsung made VA panel), which I've read has low input lag for a lcd hdtv. I used http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/response_time.php to compare them to my old TN panel monitor. They both were slightly slower than the monitor by about the same amount. I don't perceive any lag when using it as a desktop monitor or playing a FPS on it. Rename input to PC to get the lowest input lag.


I returned the sammy primarily due to buzzing noticeable from normal sitting distance. I can't hear this LG buzz from a distance, though I can hear buzzing when I stick my head behind it.

Also since it was mentioned in the samsung thread I wanted to mention that this LG does use a PWM backlight like the sammy.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406151/the-official-2012-samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread/1050#post_23055735
Comparing side by side the LG just seemed to give less eye strain at comparable backlight settings.

I don't have the setup to test like the guy in the samsung thread, but using this test: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/pulse_width_modulation.htm
with a basic camera gave similar results to what he got for the sammy, ~133hz and still pulses at full backlight.
I don't know how much this is of an indicator, but when viewing both tv's through my ipad's camera the sammy pulses while the LG does not. Viewing through my digital camera they both pulse.

If you want to see for yourself an indication of PWM you can just wiggle your finger in front of the tv and watch how the blur of your finger changes as you adjust the backlight setting from 0 to 100.
post #146 of 417
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Originally Posted by Xidus View Post

I have the 42LN5300, it is IPS. I actually tried to find it in VA locally but could not, it seems to follow the same box coding as previous years models, where a 'Y' 4 characters from the end means IPS. The 39" had a different letter there and the display model was VA. Viewing angles for colorful pictures are great, but darks have a distracting IPS glow most noticeable in a dark room. I will probably return mine soon because of that glow. It may be fine for a monitor, but not for a tv.
Input lag is low.
I briefly had this and the samsung 46EH5000 at the same time before I returned it (T02 version, samsung made VA panel), which I've read has low input lag for a lcd hdtv. I used http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/response_time.php to compare them to my old TN panel monitor. They both were slightly slower than the monitor by about the same amount. I don't perceive any lag when using it as a desktop monitor or playing a FPS on it. Rename input to PC to get the lowest input lag.


I returned the sammy primarily due to buzzing noticeable from normal sitting distance. I can't hear this LG buzz from a distance, though I can hear buzzing when I stick my head behind it.

Also since it was mentioned in the samsung thread I wanted to mention that this LG does use a PWM backlight like the sammy.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406151/the-official-2012-samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread/1050#post_23055735
Comparing side by side the LG just seemed to give less eye strain at comparable backlight settings.

I don't have the setup to test like the guy in the samsung thread, but using this test: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/pulse_width_modulation.htm
with a basic camera gave similar results to what he got for the sammy, ~133hz and still pulses at full backlight.
I don't know how much this is of an indicator, but when viewing both tv's through my ipad's camera the sammy pulses while the LG does not. Viewing through my digital camera they both pulse.

If you want to see for yourself an indication of PWM you can just wiggle your finger in front of the tv and watch how the blur of your finger changes as you adjust the backlight setting from 0 to 100.

Thanks for the insightful post. That's good to hear about the input lag. Being a multi input IPS TV, I was very concerned about how it could handle fast paced movies and games. However, I'm still wondering about the IPS glow. I used to own an IPS monitor, and now I have a PLS monitor. I definitely had trouble viewing darker images (for instance, a scene in a dim lit room in a movie is really hard to make out), but I don't know if that was due to the IPS glow. Both monitors are the Korean 1440p monitors, which have (for the most part) bad to horrible backlight bleed. The QC and build quality on these are pretty much abysmal, but you get what you pay for. I've come to tolerate it, but I'm still worried that having the same issue with a TV could still be a problem. Unlike my monitor, I will be sitting far away from it. And for the most part I will be using it in a dark room. Can you go into detail about this a little more? Like how much of a problem is it to you and do you think it would be one for me? I really appreciate it.

Speaking of backlight bleed, another reason I'm returning the 39" is because of a huge blob of brighter light coming from the bottom corner and stretching to the center. I noticed it the other day when I turned the TV on and the backlight came on before the input. It's pretty noticeable, it looks almost like a cloud over a black screen. This still makes me want to try my luck with the 42". There's still no comparison to a calibrated 39LN5300 and my PLS monitor.
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Movies aren't going to have anything to do with input lag. You're talking about motion, and that's a whole different ballpark. All I can say is motion looked about the same as on the sammy, which is probably all you can expect out of a 60Hz lcd tv. I haven't compared it to a plasma or 120Hz+ sets or anything. As for dimly lit scenes I think you are talking about black crush.
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
I can eliminate black crush with the right settings, but it looks to reduce the perceived contrast ratio. Sometimes I've found myself setting it to crush blacks for some scenes to make them look better then setting it back for dark scenes so I can actually see what's going on.

If that blob on your 39" is there no matter what angle you look at it, that's blacklight bleed. Viewing a completely black image this 42" has no bleed, just glow (the glow goes away if looking right at it). I'm not sure if there is a certain distance where there is no glow on the entire screen, I'll have to check tonight when the room is dark. But if there is it's likely a pretty narrow viewing angle & distance for the sweet spot. You said in an earlier post the tv will be higher up than where you're sitting. Unless you angle it down there will be glow along the top portion of the screen in dark scenes.

It bothers me enough to want to keep looking for another tv. How much it will bother you I don't know. I've found the best tool for tv shopping is a good return policy.
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Any info on the limitations of video playback through USB connect? How can I convert formats to one that works?

LG states..."you can only play DivX HD, JPEG, JPG, MPO, AC3 (Dolby Digital), EAC3, HAAC, AAC, MPEG, MP3, PCM, DTS."
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My model (42LN5300) does not play videos from usb, only music/photos.
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Can the LN5300 display 1080p24 native? (i.e., without uneven frame insertion / 3:2 pulldown etc)

It's listed as a 60hz display and there's a lot of conflicting (old) information about whether such sets can do 24p properly.
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