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Onkyo TX-NR818 vs. Pioneer SC-1522-K: Please help with purchase decision!

post #1 of 32
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So, I can get either within $100 of each other, which makes the price difference a non-consideration in deciding.

I don't really need the 9.2 channels of the Pioneer and would just use the two 'extra' to bi-amp my mains (which really don't need it in my ghetto living room/theatre setup).

I hear that Audyssey XT32 is the second coming of Christ and smites Advanced MCACC verily for room imaging.

They both have an impressive feature set and a disgusting amount of HDMI inputs. So, I'm just kind of at a loss as to which one I should lay down the cash for.

I haven't been able to locate any direct comparisons and individual reviews haven't cleared up the muddy waters any, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

Theatre configuration:

Display: LG 60LM7200
Blu-ray: Panasonic DMP-BDT230
Consoles: XBOX 360, PS3, OUYA
HTPC: Repurposed Alienware x15m
Receiver: None (sold to offset cost of upgrade)
Mains: Unisound DAC 2.6 towers (4Ω)
Center & Surrounds: Energy Classic Take 5
LFE: tSc ASW-10
Edited by Knightwulf - 4/1/13 at 8:13am
post #2 of 32
Both good receivers. people say these Pioneer digital amps are more efficient, run cooler, etc.
post #3 of 32
I have not messed with the 818 at all, but I have a 1522k and I like its sound better than my Denon 1913.

I posted this in the Official 1522k thread, but as a quick synopsis: I did an A/B test with my Denon with Audyssey and without Audyssey. I liked with Audyssey much better. I then did an A/B test with my Denon 1913 with Audyssey vs the Pioneer 1522k without MCACC (same speakers, same room, same placement). The Pioneer was very noticeably better. Since then I have tested the 1522k with MCACC vs without. I like it with better.

That should give you a bit of an idea of where the 1522k stands. But with that said, I imagine you might get similar results if you did an A/B test with the Denon 1913 vs the Onkyo 818.


The Audyssey on the Onkyo will auto EQ the sub better than the Pioneer. However, the Audyssey xt32 that the 818 has does not include subEQ, so it will not be as great as it could be.

While MCAAC does not auto EQ the sub, you do have the ability to manually adjust all your settings (sub and speakers). WIth Audyseey you do not have this ability. It auto EQs things, and then that is it, you only have minimal abilty to adjust things further. With MCAAC you can fine tune everything to your specifications.

Audyssey seems to do better automatically adjustings things, but MCAAC gets you pretty darn close, and then you can adjust it manually to make it as good, or even much better than Audessey will do.

If you do not need the 9.2 ability or the extra zone features, and some of the stuff like that that the 1522k offers, then I would surmise it comes down to this:

Are you willing to use a program like REW and manually make adjustments? If so, then the 1522k will likely give you the ability to get better results. If not, then the 818 will likely yield better results.
post #4 of 32
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Originally Posted by Goride View Post

Are you willing to use a program like REW and manually make adjustments? If so, then the 1522k will likely give you the ability to get better results. If not, then the 818 will likely yield better results.

Thanks a bunch for the great information and informed/informative reply. So, it really just comes down to the room imaging in these two units when you strip away the number of channels and price consideration? You would consider them both to be in the same 'tier'?
post #5 of 32
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Any other input?
post #6 of 32
How much can you get for 818? On Amazon right now, Onkyo 818 is around $900 new. That is way higher than Pioneer 1522 deal going on right now. Otherwise, two are similar with some minuses and pluses on each side. So it is all ends up with personal preferences.
post #7 of 32
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

How much can you get for 818? On Amazon right now, Onkyo 818 is around $900 new. That is way higher than Pioneer 1522 deal going on right now. Otherwise, two are similar with some minuses and pluses on each side. So it is all ends up with personal preferences.

I'd say the biggest difference MCACC vs Audyssey. Other than that, all else is pretty equal in my opinion. I have an Onkyo 809 as well as a Pioneer 1222 and a Pioneer Elite SC-35. I'd say all three of them sound equal, in the power and dynamics dept.

I will say, from what I've read over the years, that Onkyo, might have the most abysmal, non-existent customer service. So if a potential device failure worries you, Onkyo might be the company you don't want to deal with.
post #8 of 32
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

How much can you get for 818? On Amazon right now, Onkyo 818 is around $900 new. That is way higher than Pioneer 1522 deal going on right now. Otherwise, two are similar with some minuses and pluses on each side. So it is all ends up with personal preferences.

OneCall has an open box for $699, which is 'like new' with full warranty, but if you inquire about this one, they'll offer to sell you a completely new one for $749 so they can keep the $699 up for hits.
post #9 of 32
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I will say, from what I've read over the years, that Onkyo, might have the most abysmal, non-existent customer service. So if a potential device failure worries you, Onkyo might be the company you don't want to deal with.

Thanks for your input on this. I have heard many poor things about Onkyo's support. I had an TX-SR707 since late '09 that I never had an issue with, so I never had to deal with support. I suppose I'm amongst the lucky ones.

Having an expensive component fail and having to deal with an unresponsive company is definitely one of my concerns, so I think I'll just go with the SC-1522-K from Costco and be covered by their legendary customer service.

That, and it matches my BRP better... tongue.gif
Edited by Knightwulf - 4/3/13 at 5:59am
post #10 of 32
That's good choice. Pioneer SC-1522 simply offers more features (9.2) for less. It is the best deal right now. And Costco return policy for this item is life time. You can't beat that.
post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

That's good choice. Pioneer SC-1522 simply offers more features (9.2) for less. It is the best deal right now. And Costco return policy for this item is life time. You can't beat that.

+1
post #12 of 32
Thread Starter 
Thanks again for the help, folks.

Now, I just need to play the waiting game for the SC-1522-Ks to arrive at my local Costco.

I could take a 4 hour round-trip roadtrip to get to the closest one who has them in stock, but I think I'll just wait until next week.
post #13 of 32
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465612/official-pioneer-sc-1522-9-2-network-ready-av-receiver-owners-thread

I couldn't agree more, I grabbed SC-1522 from Costco @ 599 but I think my Onkyo TX-SR705 sounds much better with MUSIC, the high frequencies of SC-1522 is making my music 'annoying' - hyper-active tweeter - I will try various adjustments and post back. Any thoughts on tweaking higher frequencies? Otherwise, I think SC-1522 is awesome! Please check the official SC-1522 thread.
post #14 of 32
Hey guy's
I need some help choosing speakers and sub setup for my new AV Receiver, I'm new to these digital av receivers, my living room is like 18x40 with a 12 foot ceiling.
I recently bought a Pioneer SC-1522 k.
I chooses it over the Onkyo TX NR818
I was thinking about getting some klipsch synergy like the F2 towers and the Klipsch SUB10
I heard they play pretty good, I been looking at some other Subs also in the price range of $180 - $250.
I was wondering if I could mix Klipsch speakers with other brands sub like BIC PL-200, SVS SB1000, BIC F12 etc.
post #15 of 32
I am glad you asked this question because I have been close to buying both of these receives. I had settled on the Onkyo 818 until the Pioneer 1522 went on sale at Costco for $599. They don't have a Costco in New Orleans yet so my brother was going to pick one up in Alabama were he lives. Unfortunately it doesn't look like they are going to get it in stock. I'm OK with buying an open box & I have seen both for about $650 in Amazon. Back to square one when I was wondering if I should consider any other models. I am newly divorced & living in an 11x12 bedroom at my sister's house. The most important thing to me (besides the obvious) is being able to stream my music collection from my Mac Book Pro from the bedroom/office next to me. I haven't kept up with stuff for over ten years. I am using a 55" samsung & either NHT or Martin Logan speakers. I have some older 2 channel high-end equipment in storage, but I don't have the room to set up a lot of separates. However, are there any Processors/Tuners that I could buy that would turn my Krell amps & pre-amp into a theater system with all the bells & whistles that come in a modern A/V receiver for less than $700-$800? No...well then which of any av receivers? Any suggestions will be very helpful. I am sorry this is long. Thanks to anybody willing to answer. eek.gif
post #16 of 32
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Originally Posted by dre3000 View Post

Hey guy's
I need some help choosing speakers and sub setup for my new AV Receiver, I'm new to these digital av receivers, my living room is like 18x40 with a 12 foot ceiling.
I recently bought a Pioneer SC-1522 k.
I chooses it over the Onkyo TX NR818
I was thinking about getting some klipsch synergy like the F2 towers and the Klipsch SUB10
I heard they play pretty good, I been looking at some other Subs also in the price range of $180 - $250.
I was wondering if I could mix Klipsch speakers with other brands sub like BIC PL-200, SVS SB1000, BIC F12 etc.

You can buy any kind of sub you like, it doesn't have to match the speakers. For the money, I've heard good things about the entry level BIC subs.
post #17 of 32
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Originally Posted by varan View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465612/official-pioneer-sc-1522-9-2-network-ready-av-receiver-owners-thread

I couldn't agree more, I grabbed SC-1522 from Costco @ 599 but I think my Onkyo TX-SR705 sounds much better with MUSIC, the high frequencies of SC-1522 is making my music 'annoying' - hyper-active tweeter - I will try various adjustments and post back. Any thoughts on tweaking higher frequencies? Otherwise, I think SC-1522 is awesome! Please check the official SC-1522 thread.

Try turning on bi-amp mode and using one just front of the front channel binding posts and one of the rear surround binding posts.

When I had the SC-25 (had two different ones), they both behaved the same, the tweeter made a very loud passive whine whenever two consecutive binding posts were used. If I used one front and one rear surround with bi-amp mode on, there was no problems. Basically there's some kind of crosstalk problem with consecutive amp outputs.
post #18 of 32
Thanks guy's for the suggestions
@mreast. So you think the BiC SUB would perform better than the Klipsch Sub12?
I'm looking to find a klipsch sub12 in $200 range, I missed a sale on newegg $186 the
other day
Also what do you think about the Klipsch F2 vs the Jbl studio 180 6.5?
@Brandtwi. I'm in MS, I bought a Onkyo TX NR818 for $699 online until my Bro in MN told me about the Cosco sale $599 with tax and shipping I end up paying roughly $700
I returned the Onkyo, my only regret, I didn't have no speakers to try them both side by side, I wanted to run a full test on them both including video upscaling.
My other disappoint with these av receivers
I cannot find none that do video streaming.
Technology is too far advance for them not to do video streaming.
I guess some that that know about firmwares could create a firmware that allow them to do that.
post #19 of 32
I think the BIC and Klipsch are probably pretty comparable. You'd probably be happy with either of them. I might just get whichever one has the best price. I'd definitely be leaning to a 12" woofer though. You'll definitely get a little more rumble out of a 12".
post #20 of 32
That's exactly what I'm looking for
Something to move the house not for movies but for music
post #21 of 32
For the overactive tweeter try setting up the MCACC microphone tilted slightly to the front . This way it will pick up the highs better and may be able to help with this. Just something to try as I haven't had that issue so cannot confirm it will resolve the problems.
post #22 of 32
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Originally Posted by dre3000 View Post

Hey guy's
I need some help choosing speakers and sub setup for my new AV Receiver, I'm new to these digital av receivers, my living room is like 18x40 with a 12 foot ceiling.
I recently bought a Pioneer SC-1522 k.
I chooses it over the Onkyo TX NR818
I was thinking about getting some klipsch synergy like the F2 towers and the Klipsch SUB10
I heard they play pretty good, I been looking at some other Subs also in the price range of $180 - $250.
I was wondering if I could mix Klipsch speakers with other brands sub like BIC PL-200, SVS SB1000, BIC F12 etc.

As someone that worked in the industry for about 15 years (1984-1999) I can tell you that there are many things to consider when buying new speakers. First, I would suggest you read some articles on buying new speakers. Then I would go out to as many audio shops and listen to as many different speakers as possible. This has become difficult because they have all gone out of business (like me) due to people buying everything off of the internet. Keep in mind your room size & the electronics you have. I have read about the Pioneer SC-1522 = "the high frequencies of SC-1522 is making my music 'annoying' ". If this is correct you may not want Klipsch. I have sold & owned Klipsch (& Pioneer) and I like them a lot, but I wouldn't mate Klipsch with a receiver with "aggressive" high frequencies. A speaker with a "warmer" sound may be a better choice. Again, the room makes a BIG difference. You can always do things to your room to help "eq" the sound like hanging thick drapes, carpet, book shelves, bass traps, etc. I would consider NHT speakers as a match with a Pioneer SC-1522. www.nhthifi.com/‎ I have also sold & still own several pairs of their speakers & sub woofers. Also, to save money and get the most speaker for the money consider buying second hand speakers. If you buy them from the right sites you can get a great deal. I care first how it sounds & if I can get a better speaker then I'll excuse a scratch or two. You can read some reviews on NHT speakers in Stereophile magazine. http://www.stereophile.com
Quote:
Huh-huh, huh-huh
I was totally knocked out by the NHT SuperZeros, either by themselves or in conjunction with NHT's SW2P active subwoofer. While there are several inexpensive speakers on the market that are good at presenting an illusion of near-high-end sound, the SuperZeros are true high-end minimonitors that I would feel completely comfortable using as my reference speakers above 100Hz. They are really that good.

Mated with the SW2P subwoofer and a pair of passive in-line high-pass filters like those I described above, the SuperZeros are capable of delivering the kind of audiophile-quality, full-range sound that bears close comparison with some of the most well-regarded high-end speakers on the market. The SuperZero/SW2 system is one of the best values I know of in a full-range, high-end loudspeaker system.

Highly recommended!—Corey Greenberg/QUOTE] of Stereophile Magazine.

Sorry, but I can't figure how to end this quote!confused.gif
All of their speakers are excellent. Again, read some articles on what to listen for when shopping for speakers and let your ears tell you what to buy. I hope this helps. ......Billcool.gif
post #23 of 32
Thanks Guy's

What do you'll think about Drivers vs IC Chip output
Reason be I was told by Pioneer that their 1522 and all their receivers got IC chip driving their output, drivers were too expensive, the last Pioneer that has drivers driving the output was sold for like $7000.00, and has been discontinued for the past three years for lack of sales.
Although their now a days AVR got a big transformer in them, in my opinion drivers make a big different in power output, I think they sound more solid, considering external power amplifier is always an option
Because I was planning and getting two Klipsch towers(for music) which I don't known if that's a good idea with their peak power of 400 watts
have anyone try the Pioneer sc1522 with a klipsch tower?
I once heard a Denon AVR1913 playing music on a Klipsch F30 at high volume and it sound pretty good, so I was wondering if that would work for the sc1522?
I think I can get two of them for $200
Edited by dre3000 - 5/3/13 at 9:28am
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Thanks Guy's

What do you'll think about Drivers vs IC Chip output
Reason be I was told by Pioneer that their 1522 and all their receivers got IC chip driving their output, drivers were too expensive, the last Pioneer that has drivers driving the output was sold for like $7000.00, and has been discontinued for the past three years for lack of sales.
Although their now a days AVR got a big transformer in them, in my opinion drivers make a big different in power output, I think they sound more solid, considering external power amplifier is always an option
Because I was planning and getting two Klipsch towers(for music) which I don't known if that's a good idea with their peak power of 400 watts
have anyone try the Pioneer sc1522 with a klipsch tower?
I once heard a Denon AVR1913 playing music on a Klipsch F30 at high volume and it sound pretty good, so I was wondering if that would work for the sc1522?
I think I can get two of them for $200

Well first off, I had bought the Onkyo 818 back last November, and I had a few issues with it, even the 24p bug, even though most of the issues may have been firmware fixed, I totally despised Onkyo's flaky customer service, and the previously known HDMI main board failures, I really wanted to keep it mostly for the Audyssey MultiEQ XT32, I really hated to send it back, but since I was given a 30 day time frame, I returned it, so just two weeks ago, I grabbed one of these 1522's at my local costco.

Currently I'm running 2 sets of Klipsch KG 5.5 towers, one front and one rear, front and rear effects, and 2 klipsch rw-12 powered subs, so let's just say that I have absolutely no issues with having enough bass, and it sounds awesome!!, my kg 5.5's are several years old, so they are not as super high pitched as the RF'7's, but not too far off, for me I'm use to the klipsch towers sound as they do have their own sound, one thing I did notice was how they brought my Klipsch towers back to life !! The 1522 should run your F30's with out any issue, as my Yamaha 2095 was rated at 95 watts/ ch, where my KG 5.5's were rated at 100 watts, 500 watts peak.

It's difficult giving people feedback on how any particular system sounds, I've been using a Yamaha RX-V2095 for almost 10 years, I've been running all my klipsch speakers on this receiver up to 2 weeks ago, and it sounded great for being 10 years old, I only wanted HDMI switching control with using multiple sources with HDMI, so I needed to get something...
post #25 of 32
Thanks Again
I'm on the hunt for a klipsch sub 12 right now
I'm willing to buy used also...
post #26 of 32
Have anyone compare the Klipsch RW 12D
to the Klipsch SUB 12?
They are basically the same price
Which one you think would drive the neighbour crazy with music?
post #27 of 32
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Originally Posted by dre3000 View Post

Have anyone compare the Klipsch RW 12D
to the Klipsch SUB 12?
They are basically the same price
Which one you think would drive the neighbour crazy with music?

All I know is that the RW series is their Reference line, just like the RF-7 II speakers which are top shelf!, I have not heard anything with the Klipsch Sub 12, maybe compare the specs or:

You can check out this thread over at Klipsch's support forum as well as use their search

Also Check out some info here at AVS

After I found Gorilla's dual Dayton 18" DIY build thread, I would build these, as you would only spend a bit more, but have so much more bass, you'd never need any more, even it you only made one of them

If money is the main factor, I think nothing can beat the Klipsch RW-12, and even more if you run two of them, especially if they are on fire sale at new egg, ( that's where I bough mine ) but I'm selling mine when I sell my house in the near future, I'm going to build the very same subs Gorilla made, as well as the DIYsound Fusion 15 main speakers for a real dedicated HT room.
Edited by TheaterChad - 5/18/13 at 8:43am
post #28 of 32
Thanks for the info
Do you know where I can find a PDF specs on how to build that dual 18" sub and what kind of amplifier is it using?
I will be doing a project like that in the future,
Because I already pull the trigger on Klipsch SUB 12HG $200.00 I'll see how it works when I get it
post #29 of 32
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Originally Posted by dre3000 View Post

Thanks for the info
Do you know where I can find a PDF specs on how to build that dual 18" sub and what kind of amplifier is it using?
I will be doing a project like that in the future,
Because I already pull the trigger on Klipsch SUB 12HG $200.00 I'll see how it works when I get it

specs on the 18" Dayton HO subwoofer are here

Click on the link in my previous post, that says Gorilla's dual Dayton 18" DIY sub build, that goes directly to Gorilla83's sub biuld, he show's a great deal of info in his thread, and lot's of pics, and you can buy a crown, or Behringer, or other brand of mono amps, I can try to find more info, but you would find a bunch in the DIY speakers and subwoofer section of this forum, after doing a-lot of reading in that section of the forum, DIY speaker building is the way to go, if you have the time, patience, and tools...
post #30 of 32
Anyone else trying to decide between these models? Pricing and remaining availability will be hard to decide between either one of these models.
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