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post #31 of 56
The TV handles quite a few different refresh rates @ 3840x2160 up to 31 Hz, and 24 Hz is specifically supported. Are you using the HDMI cable that came with the display or a third-party one?
post #32 of 56
Just got this TV in yesterday and hooked it up to my OPPO.

Put in Wreck it Ralph for the kids and put it on 4k. There is a noticable difference in quality between the upscaled 4k BD and 1080p BD.

My kids noticed it and so did my wife, without telling them what was happening.

But we were all sitting about 3-6 feet away, so that's probably why it's so noticeable.

I have a problem with the set in 4k mode though. It keeps blanking out for a few seconds then coming back.
It seems like this might be a firmware problem, so I emailed Seiki, but haven't heard back.
Is there a new firmware download/procedure for this TV?

Also, does someone have a link for calibrating the set? I don't think I need the service level calibration, just some common settings tips from other users with regular menu settings.

Thanks guys!
post #33 of 56
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Originally Posted by jimmyg View Post

The TV handles quite a few different refresh rates @ 3840x2160 up to 31 Hz, and 24 Hz is specifically supported. Are you using the HDMI cable that came with the display or a third-party one?

I used the one that came with the TV. I also ordered some 1.4 rated cables from monoprice.
post #34 of 56
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Originally Posted by Sterling View Post

Just got this TV in yesterday and hooked it up to my OPPO.

Put in Wreck it Ralph for the kids and put it on 4k. There is a noticable difference in quality between the upscaled 4k BD and 1080p BD.

My kids noticed it and so did my wife, without telling them what was happening.

But we were all sitting about 3-6 feet away, so that's probably why it's so noticeable.

I have a problem with the set in 4k mode though. It keeps blanking out for a few seconds then coming back.
It seems like this might be a firmware problem, so I emailed Seiki, but haven't heard back.
Is there a new firmware download/procedure for this TV?

Also, does someone have a link for calibrating the set? I don't think I need the service level calibration, just some common settings tips from other users with regular menu settings.

Thanks guys!

Is that OPPO the 103 or 105? I may just go ahead and order one since it's confirmed as working with the Seiki.

I read in other threads that the 'blanking' may be a known issue with the 4k mode.
post #35 of 56
A new firmware will be up soon for the blinking issue.
post #36 of 56
The people who are saying they see a huge difference in HD and 4K at normal viewing distances either have superhuman acuity, or are a victim of hype.

I drove 3 hours in anxious anticipation wanting to see the new 4K technology. I walked into the Sony store in Houston and to their 84" display. At first, I was disappointed because I didn't understand why they were running a demo in 1080P. I was about to go ask a sales clerk to put it in 4K and I passed about 3 feet away from the screen. Only then could I see the big jump in resolution. I got back about 6 or 7 feet, and I was quite underwhelmed. I suppose if they had an 84" display right next to it running in 1080P, I might have been able to discern the extra resolution. But after staring at the demo for quite some time at around 7 feet away, there was nothing at all that jumped out screaming higher resolution.
post #37 of 56
the 55" and 65" sony 4k tvs are newer and have a better display than the 84" counterpart just to let you know. So you should check out the 55" and 65" versions instead if you weren't satisfied with the 84" but I personally do notice the difference and it doesn't take someone with accurate eyes to notice it either.
post #38 of 56
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Originally Posted by orijin View Post

the 55" and 65" sony 4k tvs are newer and have a better display than the 84" counterpart just to let you know. So you should check out the 55" and 65" versions instead if you weren't satisfied with the 84" but I personally do notice the difference and it doesn't take someone with accurate eyes to notice it either.

Disagree. Saw all three over the weekend running the same Sony server-streamed content, and my thoughts are exactly the same as kdog's.

From 3' on in, there's a noticeable improvement in detail and precision in the 4k native content versus 1080p. Outside of that distance, even with 20/10 vision, it barely registers. Yes you can still see extremely slight improvements from say 7' on the 84", but it mostly looks like you're viewing a well-calibrated set running a recent Blu-ray release.

And the 55/65' were not noticeably "better displays" versus the 84", even when positioned next to each and running the same matieral, fyi.
post #39 of 56
the firmware to correct the blinking and sound issues is out on their Seiki site. http://www.seikidigital.com/support/downloads.php#remote
post #40 of 56
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Originally Posted by budbuzz350 View Post

be careful on going into the service menu. this will void your warranty! i had my 4k tv stuck in burn mode. i had to call them. I'm surprised they are not after that guy that posted that code. they wanted to know how i got the code. i didn't say. If they do there research they will get that person. or someone rats him out. It's a service menu only. you screw up adjustments kiss your money good bye.

LOL and they're going to do exactly what about it? Absolutely NOTHING.
post #41 of 56
I am thinking about picking one of these up for use as a computer monitor.
Anyone try this and if so, what were your impressions?
Thanks!

(Can we also get some pictures from those who own this set?)
post #42 of 56
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Originally Posted by ptysell View Post

I am thinking about picking one of these up for use as a computer monitor.
Anyone try this and if so, what were your impressions?
Thanks!

(Can we also get some pictures from those who own this set?)

Works quite well with my MacBook Pro 15" Retina over HDMI as an external monitor. I'm using a hacked NVIDIA driver to enable 30Hz 4K output over HDMI and SwitchResX to force HiDPI (retina) mode on it. So basically it is running as a 1920x1080 HiDPI monitor. The advantage is that I was able to mount it on a stand behind my desk and all the menus/controls are easy to see/read, but when I open any media (images, videos) they are displayed at the native 4K resolution of the display. Using this as a 4K 50" computer monitor is even more viable now that the price has dropped below $1k...as long as you have a graphics card capable of driving it at 4K.





post #43 of 56
was anyone able to solve the blanking out issue?

I upgraded to the new firmware but it is still blanking out.

Using a new PC I built (i5 4th gen, 8 gb ram, ati 7950 video card with 3GB).
post #44 of 56
Amazon has this tv for only $966 now.

Linky.

The first time I ever saw the Seiki 4k, it was $1299.
post #45 of 56
I am also considering this thing. I know that some people report low features but for that price this is worth it.
I only wish it had display port so that i can run it at more than 30hz for a PC monitor. What about the dual-link-DVI port? Is it capable of running it at 60hz on 4k res?
post #46 of 56
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Originally Posted by Dave-Blu-Ray View Post

I am also considering this thing. I know that some people report low features but for that price this is worth it.
I only wish it had display port so that i can run it at more than 30hz for a PC monitor. What about the dual-link-DVI port? Is it capable of running it at 60hz on 4k res?

The only inputs are HDMI, and at 4K the max refresh rate is 30/31Hz. At 1080p, you can push up to 120Hz. The panel itself can handle 4K at 120Hz, but there is no single digital input available that can handle that.
post #47 of 56
My thoughts on Seiki, Hisense, and Westinghouse.

''They can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig''.
post #48 of 56

Then why bother posting or even wasting your time on this forum?

post #49 of 56
I fixed it by changing the color space in my Nvidia control panel. I does not like 4-4-4
post #50 of 56
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Originally Posted by calearne View Post

My thoughts on Seiki, Hisense, and Westinghouse.

''They can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig''.

Read the reviews on Amazon - Good and Bad - will give you my opinion once I have it set up and calibrated. Not expecting the Seiki to have the same Blacks as my LG 55LHX, but PQ wise should be interesting. This will not be run off a CPU, nor used for gaming - being used as a challenge to see just what I can do with it.
PS. Read somone actually got 3D from this unit using Passive Glasses - will also check this out.
post #51 of 56
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Originally Posted by calearne View Post

My thoughts on Seiki, Hisense, and Westinghouse.

''They can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig''.


Once calibrated this is an Amazing TV - will be posting my observations and results in the Official Seiki Forum. (Secret to the Seiki, after calibrating, shut down overnight, restart the next day. Milky Blacks gone, to be replaced with Excellent Blacks!)
post #52 of 56
Don't run my panel off a computer
You may want to check out the reduser.net forum for the Seiki.

Addendum.
Florescent Green with Red Push, and overdone Blues. Have e-mailed Seiki if this is Normal, or just my Panel. 4K and Blacks looked good, except for the previously mentioned. Also won't pass the S&M 2 Video Processing 24 Motion Tests.

Improved results - check under Official Seiki Forum
Edited by p5browne - 7/30/13 at 7:34am
post #53 of 56
Hi,

I serach the patch to use a 4K Display with a MacBook Pro.

Is this possible to have a link ?
post #54 of 56
@ Otty Pylot
Re.: Speaking of which, I'm surprised one of the posters had to go into the SM for a firmware upgrade. That should be done via USB.

Just so you guys know, the Seiki 4k tv firmware update works differently than any other tv I have had. You have to copy the install.img file to a blank USB flash drive, turn the tv off, disconnect the power cable from the wall socket, insert the USB flash drive, go into the Service Menu and select Firmware upgrade.
That is the only way the firmware can be upgraded on this tv.

I do agree that no other options in the Service Menu should be tampered with, unless someone from Seiki support gives instructions to do so.

I also want to note that after I did the firmware upgrade, the blinking off and on issue stopped that day (yesterday), but after turning the tv back on this morning, the blinking issue returned and was far worse than before (every two to three seconds it was blinking off and on - totally unusable in that state).
I turned the tv off and back on - same issue.
I switched from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 - blinked off and on once in the last two hours.

I am using this tv solely as a pc monitor. I do watch Netflix on it (from my pc) and the HD movies on Netflix streaming are totally awesome in full screen view.

PC Specs:
Intel i7-3970X
Nvidia GeForce 690GTX
32 GB RipJaws RAM
Corsair 240 GB SSD

I have only had this tv for three days, so will report back after more playing around with it.

Screenshot of the Desktop in 4k mode (3840x2160):
post #55 of 56
Ok, here's my report...

4K Mode

My connected hardware to the Seiki 4K 50" TV:
1. Custom built PC with Intel i7-3970X processor
2. 32 GB RAM
3. Corsair Neutron GTX 240 GB SSD
4. NVidia GeForce 690 GTX, which has 3 DVI + 1 mini DisplayPort on the card (odd having no HDMI ports on this fairly new $1000 flagship card from NVidia).
I'm using an DVI to HDMI adapter that's plugged into my computer and running an HDMI cable from the adapter up to the Seiki 4K TV's HDMI 2 port.

NetFlix (streaming from my pc computer):
Movies with HD enabled look absolutely fantastic in window and full screen modes!
Movies that are not in HD look very good in window mode, but horrible in full screen mode. I suppose that's to be expected.
Note that in window mode, you should resize the window to the largest size you can get while maintaining a good picture. I like to start with a big window and slowly reduce its size until the blurry picture becomes picture perfect.

Diablo 3: Selecting 3840x2160 @30 Hz - screen goes blank and comes back with "NOT SUPPORT" (not supported).
Runs in 1080p mode (1920x1080) @60 Hz, but the ground blurs really bad when moving in any direction and the things in whichever direction you move towards either disappear or blurs out really bad, until you come to a complete stop, then magically everything looks great (very weird). Also, in 1080p mode the game screen is not centered on the TV, it's shifted about an inch down from the top and about an inch to the left, making spells and items located at the bottom of the game screen hard to access (this can get you killed quickly when facing tough elite packs in the game).
Although Diablo 3 is playable on this 4K TV, I prefer to switch back to my Samsung monitor for games of that type (motion driven, fast action, etc).

Playing Solitaire in 4K mode is truly AWESOME. The cards are huge; each one measures 4 1/2 inches tall x 3 1/2 inches wide!

Spreadsheets: Google Docs
one word for the 4K view. Amazing!
I created a blank new spreadsheet, so I could see and base the results off of default columns and rows.
How much of it can I see?
Rows: 107
Columns: 31 (A to AE)


VGA Mode (yes, this 4K TV has that too, LOL)
My connected hardware to the Seiki 4K 50" TV:
1. HP m9040 with QuadCore processor
2. 3 GB RAM
3. Maxtor 320 GB HDD
4. NVidia GeForce GT545

The 4K TV defaults to 1920x1080 when connected via the VGA port to my old NVidia GeForce GT545 graphics card. The specification sheet lists 3840x2160 as one of the VGA modes, but Seiki's website lists 1920x1080 as the max VGA resolution (http://www.seikidigital.com/products/tv/SE50UY04-detail.php).

Anyway, in VGA mode running 1920x1080 @60 Hz, I'm seeing the same screen-shift issue as with HDMI in this exact same mode (the screen is not centered on the TV, it's shifted about an inch down from the top and about an inch to the left). Either I cannot find the controls to adjust the screen position or they simply don't exist. The text is not nearly as clear as the 4K mode, but it is readable.
As I'm not really interested in its 1080p format, that's it for the VGA mode. Back to 4K!

Just an FYI:
If your TV shows up as SE50UY04, it already has the firmware upgrade installed, which fixes a weird blanking out issue and some other issues.
This 4K TV weighs 43 pounds without the stand and 49 pounds with the stand. The above link will give all the basic details on this Seiki 4K TV.

Enjoy!
post #56 of 56
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Originally Posted by W.Mayer View Post

I try than to feed a 1920x1080 60p signal from my computer and i like to see how and if the monitor just use the native 1920x1080 pixels or as i hope bring it
to the full panel.
it not fill the whole panel and picture not looks sharp as it scales and as i found in the service menu a part that is the overscan and both V and H are at only 96 i like to bring it up to 100 each.
but than all the numbers went to 0 without any possibilty to bring it back.
there was not any picture anymore visible.
i found that inside the service menu i can do a factory reset and i did it and now the numbers are back and i have a picture.

I've found that the trick to the H Ratio and V Ratio in the service menu is that after you change either value (by 1), you need to wait for the screen to redraw (takes about 5 seconds each time) before you change it again. If you try to go up/down more than 1 at a time, it will reset them all to 0.

Of course, I think the latest firmware supports a "Just Scan" Aspect that solves this issue (push the Aspect button in 1080p, or use the Setup menu.

Boggles my mind why Seiki has such odd default settings on this TV. From the non-zero sharpness to the crazy colors to this overscan at 1080p60.
Edited by voyager6868 - 1/12/14 at 7:12pm
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