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post #1021 of 3314
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Originally Posted by Heywould View Post

I leave it off, dark as possible.. some say light, some say dark, I say what ever you want. I leave it dark and I do not see any difference in screen brightness on full 16:9..


Okay but not sure I understand why it would change screen brightness on 16 x 9 full viewing since the 3 settings for the vertical bars used on 4 x 3 viewing. Still it seems it doesn't matter much. Seems some say medium or darkest is probably best.
post #1022 of 3314
I finally received my 60ST60 and have been running slides for almost 5 hours. I followed D-Nice's post from the beginning of this thread. I have a quick question. It seems like all the slides are running properly except the white slide is more of a light grey and the black slides are more of a dark grey. I guess I was expecting the black slide to black out my screen and the white slide to actually be, well, white. Is this normal?
post #1023 of 3314
There is no black slide, its dark grey and when the white slide shows the ABL (automatic brightness limiter) kicks in and therefore the picture gets a bit dull.
post #1024 of 3314
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Originally Posted by tlinnert View Post

I finally received my 60ST60 and have been running slides for almost 5 hours. I followed D-Nice's post from the beginning of this thread. I have a quick question. It seems like all the slides are running properly except the white slide is more of a light grey and the black slides are more of a dark grey. I guess I was expecting the black slide to black out my screen and the white slide to actually be, well, white. Is this normal?
Yes. That's normal
post #1025 of 3314
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Originally Posted by tlinnert View Post

I finally received my 60ST60 and have been running slides for almost 5 hours. I followed D-Nice's post from the beginning of this thread. I have a quick question. It seems like all the slides are running properly except the white slide is more of a light grey and the black slides are more of a dark grey. I guess I was expecting the black slide to black out my screen and the white slide to actually be, well, white. Is this normal?

Don't worry. On normal content black will be "inky" black! And whites will not be as gray. You are all good.
post #1026 of 3314
Awesome, thanks for all the quick responses guys. Now can someone tell me how to last the other 95 hours? I am sitting here watching the slides on my TV. Sad.
post #1027 of 3314
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Originally Posted by tlinnert View Post

Awesome, thanks for all the quick responses guys. Now can someone tell me how to last the other 95 hours? I am sitting here watching the slides on my TV. Sad.

hahaha. Well, you could just watch normal content, then use the slides at night. This is not "recommended" if you want to use D-Nice's settings, (and get the full benefit of the same phosphor break in process he used) but there are plenty of AVS members who have done that. I did the slides for the first 100 hours, and the ironic thing is... I am now not even using D-Nice's settings. lol. I ended up using CNET's settings and Cadett's settings because I liked them better. I don't feel like the slides were a waste of time though, because I believe in evenly aging the phosphors. But, new reports are that the phosphors are actually shifting well past 200 hours, and into the 300+ hour mark on the ST60 panels. D-Nice himself has stated that he needs to do a re-calibration because of the shift. Bottom line is... do whatever you want, if you want to watch some TV or a movie, do it.... just enjoy your TV, and welcome to the owners club! smile.gif
post #1028 of 3314
I just received my Panasonic TC-P55ST60 TV and Calman 5 Home Tutorial calibration kit with Spectracal C3 meter and AVS HD calibration disc. Out of the box, on the custom picture mode, I measured a gamma of 1.5, using a two point test with 100% white and 60% grey windows. (There is no 10 point gamma reading in this version of Calman 5.) On another Panasonic plasma TV with more hours use, I also measured 1.5 in the same mode. I am unable to achieve a gamma reading greater than 2.0, even when I adjust the gain at 100 IRE to max and gain at 60 IRE to minimum, and the picture looks horrible at this setting. I used another copy of the AVS HD disc, and the results are the same.

So what is the most likely cause of this error? The meter is defective, I am doing something wrong, or something else?
post #1029 of 3314
Kent what gamma setting are you using in custom ? you should pick the one that measures closest to 2.2
post #1030 of 3314
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Originally Posted by KenT in SLC View Post

I just received my Panasonic TC-P55ST60 TV and Calman 5 Home Tutorial calibration kit with Spectracal C3 meter and AVS HD calibration disc. Out of the box, on the custom picture mode, I measured a gamma of 1.5, using a two point test with 100% white and 60% grey windows. (There is no 10 point gamma reading in this version of Calman 5.) On another Panasonic plasma TV with more hours use, I also measured 1.5 in the same mode. I am unable to achieve a gamma reading greater than 2.0, even when I adjust the gain at 100 IRE to max and gain at 60 IRE to minimum, and the picture looks horrible at this setting. I used another copy of the AVS HD disc, and the results are the same.

So what is the most likely cause of this error? The meter is defective, I am doing something wrong, or something else?

Set the main gamma control to 2.6 & remeasure. I know it doesn't sound right, but it will probably give you the result you are looking for.
If you have the funds, jump ip to Control Cal. You'll then be able to fully calibrate the ST60.
post #1031 of 3314
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Originally Posted by tlinnert View Post

Awesome, thanks for all the quick responses guys. Now can someone tell me how to last the other 95 hours? I am sitting here watching the slides on my TV. Sad.

I finished mine on Monday night... It was torture to go through the weekend and not be able to watch this set.
I'm feeling a lot better now smile.gif
post #1032 of 3314
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Originally Posted by mkaplan View Post

I finished mine on Monday night... It was torture to go through the weekend and not be able to watch this set.
I'm feeling a lot better now smile.gif

I couldnt, I ran the slides at night and while at work. I surfed for the first 100 hours when I was at home.. I thought... its a TV and it needs to be watched, others have done what I did and on top of that, 99% of the people that will buy the tv wont run slides and will never have any complaints.. the TV has great PQ weather you run the slides or not.. AND, the slides are ONLY to prep the tv for calibration and NOTHING else.. (Per Dnice) so.... hey.. why not just use the thing? lol... im impatient that way.. wink.gif
post #1033 of 3314
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Originally Posted by tlinnert View Post

Awesome, thanks for all the quick responses guys. Now can someone tell me how to last the other 95 hours? I am sitting here watching the slides on my TV. Sad.
Seriously people, just watch the TV when you are home!!!

This thread started by dnice has ruined the first 100 hours of people owning this TV. Unless you are strictly going to run D-Nice settings and want exactly what he calibrated at 100 hours which anyone here would not even be able to tell the difference no matter when you entered in the settings, just enjoy watching the TV.

After the 100 hours your watching habits are going to change what the calibration did anyway unless you watch the exact same content as D-NICE after that. Plus you will probably end up changing some settings anyway because it might look to green or to red or you want to try CNET's settings or someone elses settings. At that point it makes the 100 hour slide prep even more useless then the original amount of useless!!!

The slides are good to run just to add hours on the panel when you are not watching the TV so the colors can start to settle in and calm down and if you are not going to professionally calibrate it you don't even need to run slides at all becuase there is no rush to put hundreds of hours on it just to run the Disney WOW disc. lol
post #1034 of 3314
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Seriously people, just watch the TV when you are home!!!

This thread started by dnice has ruined the first 100 hours of people owning this TV. Unless you are strictly going to run D-Nice settings and want exactly what he calibrated at 100 hours which anyone here would not even be able to tell the difference no matter when you entered in the settings, just enjoy watching the TV.

After the 100 hours your watching habits are going to change what the calibration did anyway unless you watch the exact same content as D-NICE after that. Plus you will probably end up changing some settings anyway because it might look to green or to red or you want to try CNET's settings or someone elses settings. At that point it makes the 100 hour slide prep even more useless then the original amount of useless!!!

The slides are good to run just to add hours on the panel when you are not watching the TV so the colors can start to settle in and calm down and if you are not going to professionally calibrate it you don't even need to run slides at all becuase there is no rush to put hundreds of hours on it just to run the Disney WOW disc. lol

+ 1,000,000 so much wasted time on slides imo
post #1035 of 3314
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

+ 1,000,000 so much wasted time on slides imo

Is your opinion grounded in personal experience? You seem fairly confident. I'm guessing D-Nice has more experience that the "experts" here.
post #1036 of 3314
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Seriously people, just watch the TV when you are home!!!

This thread started by dnice has ruined the first 100 hours of people owning this TV. Unless you are strictly going to run D-Nice settings and want exactly what he calibrated at 100 hours which anyone here would not even be able to tell the difference no matter when you entered in the settings, just enjoy watching the TV.

After the 100 hours your watching habits are going to change what the calibration did anyway unless you watch the exact same content as D-NICE after that. Plus you will probably end up changing some settings anyway because it might look to green or to red or you want to try CNET's settings or someone elses settings. At that point it makes the 100 hour slide prep even more useless then the original amount of useless!!!

The slides are good to run just to add hours on the panel when you are not watching the TV so the colors can start to settle in and calm down and if you are not going to professionally calibrate it you don't even need to run slides at all becuase there is no rush to put hundreds of hours on it just to run the Disney WOW disc. lol

Agreed. Not only that, D-Nice has came out & said that that the tv needs 300 hours to break in due to drifting & I agree. So who the hell knows which way your tv will drift. The best thing to do is set your tv in cinema mode, set gamma to 2.4(on a 60") set your contrast/brightness with a reference disk & call it a day. I've published settings myself. The reason I do this is for others who have calibrated their sets themselves can compare. Once again, the cinema mode on this set is probably accurate enough for most of the people out there. If you want reference then spend the money & hire a pro or do the research & buy the software/hardware.
post #1037 of 3314
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Originally Posted by praktik View Post

Can anyone confirm if the older app works w/ the 2013 models? or do they *require* remote 2?

Yep, they both work with my ST60. : )

I still haven't figured out what all they do, but Swipe & Share is pretty handy...
post #1038 of 3314
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Is your opinion grounded in personal experience? You seem fairly confident. I'm guessing D-Nice has more experience that the "experts" here.

I'm not questioning the value if you are going to use Dnice's settings follow his procedure to the letter obviously people get good results with that but outside that strict procedure for that purpose I don't see a value to running slides continously for 100 to 300 hours. I've used slides myself at night just as a safe way to put hours on the panel when it is unattended. But that was just to speed the aging so I could get my calibrator out to do my set. You can age your panel with mixed content and call your calibrator do it yourself or just put in someone's settings. Again not questioning the slides for their intended purspose but their use has been morphed into something that is mandatory, mitigation of IR etc etc . IMO opinion it has lead to alot of panel uniformity and IR hysteria.
post #1039 of 3314
Got the red blinking light of death on my P50ST60. Less than 2 months old :-/. Panny is sending someone to repair it, if they can't fix it only then will they replace. So glad I got the SquareTrade warranty so I'm covered after Panny's warranty! Also kinda wish I got the 55". I thought the upgrade from a 46 to a 50 would have been big, but doesn't seem like it.
post #1040 of 3314
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

+ 1,000,000 so much wasted time on slides imo
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Agreed. Not only that, D-Nice has came out & said that that the tv needs 300 hours to break in due to drifting & I agree. So who the hell knows which way your tv will drift. The best thing to do is set your tv in cinema mode, set gamma to 2.4(on a 60") set your contrast/brightness with a reference disk & call it a day. I've published settings myself. The reason I do this is for others who have calibrated their sets themselves can compare. Once again, the cinema mode on this set is probably accurate enough for most of the people out there. If you want reference then spend the money & hire a pro or do the research & buy the software/hardware.
+1 Slides are for calibration prep, nothing else.
post #1041 of 3314
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Originally Posted by random205 View Post

Got the red blinking light of death on my P50ST60. Less than 2 months old :-/. Panny is sending someone to repair it, if they can't fix it only then will they replace. So glad I got the SquareTrade warranty so I'm covered after Panny's warranty! Also kinda wish I got the 55". I thought the upgrade from a 46 to a 50 would have been big, but doesn't seem like it.
When it comes to TV size, pick the largest size you think you could possibly need, and then get one size larger. biggrin.gif
post #1042 of 3314
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Originally Posted by spuj View Post

Has anyone else seen the following on their VT60/65?

The pictures is of the left and right side when displaying a white picture from an usb-stick and the text is from the menu.

This can be seen on all content and is most visible on white edges against a darker background. I have never seen this being mentioned before.

Adding a link to my photbuck-gallery instead of big pictures.

http://s1266.photobucket.com/user/spuj/library/VT60

No one?

It's very easy to check.. Just open the settings menu and look closely at the white text against black background.
post #1043 of 3314
I think I am returning the Disney WOW DVD. I find it incredibly useless and I find myself going back to D-Nice and Cnet's settings instead. Plus the WOW disc really only helps you control brightness/contract/color/tint and gamma. I don't know what an IRE is, but there are so many other settings on the Panasonic that I don't think the WOW disc really tackles much to customize settings altogether with this set.
post #1044 of 3314
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

I think I am returning the Disney WOW DVD. I find it incredibly useless and I find myself going back to D-Nice and Cnet's settings instead. Plus the WOW disc really only helps you control brightness/contract/color/tint and gamma. I don't know what an IRE is, but there are so many other settings on the Panasonic that I don't think the WOW disc really tackles much to customize settings altogether with this set.

You are correct if only addresses basic settings the more advanced setting require a meter and software to set correctly, honestly you can accomplish the exact same thing on the free AVS709 disc just takes a little more experience with the patterns.
post #1045 of 3314
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

I think I am returning the Disney WOW DVD. I find it incredibly useless and I find myself going back to D-Nice and Cnet's settings instead. Plus the WOW disc really only helps you control brightness/contract/color/tint and gamma. I don't know what an IRE is, but there are so many other settings on the Panasonic that I don't think the WOW disc really tackles much to customize settings altogether with this set.

Obviously its up to you but I found that if I put in Cnets settings and then use the WOW disk to fine tune (short of a pro cal) then I can get the tv to look better. I found the Cnet and or Dnice settings are close but not perfect (as others will attest to) there is still a little room for improvement in contrast and brightness.

I also find the pixel flipper useful (somewhat)
I have the bluray though ( I read that the DVD is less useful but I have no proof of this info
Edited by Heywould - 6/7/13 at 10:28am
post #1046 of 3314
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

I think I am returning the Disney WOW DVD. I find it incredibly useless and I find myself going back to D-Nice and Cnet's settings instead. Plus the WOW disc really only helps you control brightness/contract/color/tint and gamma. I don't know what an IRE is, but there are so many other settings on the Panasonic that I don't think the WOW disc really tackles much to customize settings altogether with this set.
To be fair I don't think Disney intended the WoW disc to be used in detailed calibration. Those features you mentioned are all that's needed by 99% of the population.
post #1047 of 3314
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Originally Posted by spuj View Post

No one?

It's very easy to check.. Just open the settings menu and look closely at the white text against black background.
I'm not really sure what you're asking. If you zoom in close enough on any TV you're going to see pixels.
post #1048 of 3314
Right, slides are only prep for D Nice settings.
post #1049 of 3314
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

I'm not really sure what you're asking. If you zoom in close enough on any TV you're going to see pixels.

The left side of the text is blue and the right is green. This is visible on all edges of white objects.
post #1050 of 3314
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Set the main gamma control to 2.6 & remeasure. I know it doesn't sound right, but it will probably give you the result you are looking for.
If you have the funds, jump ip to Control Cal. You'll then be able to fully calibrate the ST60.

I tried adjusting the preset gamma to its max, 2.6; I read 1.8; then I tried adjusting the drive gain controls at 100% white to its max and at 60% grey to min, I read 2.0; I reset the Pro settings to default and tried a different Blu-ray player, I again read 1.5; I tried a different HDMI input with a different HDMI cable, no change; I tried a different AVS HD calibration disc, no change; I downloaded and installed the latest release to Calman 5, which release notes say “support for Panasonic 60 series”, no change. This is driving me nuts!

If I can't get a basic calibration to work, then I can have no confidence that a version of this software with more features will work either, until i find the source of this problem.
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