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post #1051 of 3303
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Kent what gamma setting are you using in custom ? you should pick the one that measures closest to 2.2

I started with 2.2 and read 1.5; then I tried adjusting the preset gamma to its max, 2.6, I read 1.8; then I tried adjusting the drive gain controls at 100% white to its max and at 60% grey to min, I read 2.0; I reset the Pro settings to default and tried a different Blu-ray player, I again read 1.5; I tried a different HDMI input with a different HDMI cable, no change; I tried a different AVS HD calibration disc, no change; I downloaded and installed the latest release to Calman 5, which release notes say “support for Panasonic 60 series”, no change. This is driving me nuts!
post #1052 of 3303
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Originally Posted by KenT in SLC View Post

I started with 2.2 and read 1.5; then I tried adjusting the preset gamma to its max, 2.6, I read 1.8; then I tried adjusting the drive gain controls at 100% white to its max and at 60% grey to min, I read 2.0; I reset the Pro settings to default and tried a different Blu-ray player, I again read 1.5; I tried a different HDMI input with a different HDMI cable, no change; I tried a different AVS HD calibration disc, no change; I downloaded and installed the latest release to Calman 5, which release notes say “support for Panasonic 60 series”, no change. This is driving me nuts!

You should be measuring gamma with the default custom setttings make sure agc other settings are zeroed out, traditionally that gamma reading is taken with two windows one at 80% one at 30% not sure what you mean when you say you are adjusting 100 and 60 to max and min ?
post #1053 of 3303
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Originally Posted by random205 View Post

Got the red blinking light of death on my P50ST60. Less than 2 months old :-/. Panny is sending someone to repair it, if they can't fix it only then will they replace. So glad I got the SquareTrade warranty so I'm covered after Panny's warranty! Also kinda wish I got the 55". I thought the upgrade from a 46 to a 50 would have been big, but doesn't seem like it.

Did you unplug it from the wall and back in ? I had that issue once on my ST60 and it never came back .. Turning on and off with remote did nothing Bly actually unplugging it worked
post #1054 of 3303
I'm sure it's been covered before but how about a refresher on how to check the hours?
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

I'm sure it's been covered before but how about a refresher on how to check the hours?
Click here.
post #1056 of 3303
I've gone through the break in routine and have followed experimented with several recommended picture settings, and I am now encountering an issue that I've seen mentioned in some of the consumer reviews posted on Amazon and elsewhere about the picture becoming quite dark when viewing Netflix streaming videos. This appears not to be a matter of just changing picture settings, making the screen brighter, etc. At given times the video will be fine but then go dark. I'm wondering if there's a correlation between the amount of time the set has been on and the darkness of the Netflix picture. The tv channels themselves do not seem to be affected. Any ideas? I'd hate to have to spend the time on sending the set back to Amazon. The Sony Hx820 that I bought last year died, the dreaded 4 blinking lies signifying nothing to be done, so I wouldn't want to buy from Sony again, though I thoroughly enjoyed the quality of the picture for as long as it lasted. And I read that Samsung may have similar issues, something to do with capacitors not lasting.
post #1057 of 3303
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Originally Posted by TerryofMPS View Post

I've gone through the break in routine and have followed experimented with several recommended picture settings, and I am now encountering an issue that I've seen mentioned in some of the consumer reviews posted on Amazon and elsewhere about the picture becoming quite dark when viewing Netflix streaming videos.
I don't own a Panasonic display, but, most likely that's a Netflix problem. If it was a display problem you would see it happening on all sources.
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At given times the video will be fine but then go dark. I'm wondering if there's a correlation between the amount of time the set has been on and the darkness of the Netflix picture.
If it doesn't happen when you play DVD, or Blu-ray disks, and it doesn't happen when you watch TV, it has nothing to do with how long your display has been on.
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Any ideas?
You could look for a Netflix forum here at AVS, and ask owner's here who use Netflix. I'm not a Panasonic owner, and I don't use a network connection to the Internet so I can't help you directly.

You must be one great writer to have eight posts here at AVS, and also have ten thumbs up. biggrin.gif
post #1058 of 3303
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Originally Posted by TerryofMPS View Post

I've gone through the break in routine and have followed experimented with several recommended picture settings, and I am now encountering an issue that I've seen mentioned in some of the consumer reviews posted on Amazon and elsewhere about the picture becoming quite dark when viewing Netflix streaming videos. This appears not to be a matter of just changing picture settings, making the screen brighter, etc. At given times the video will be fine but then go dark. I'm wondering if there's a correlation between the amount of time the set has been on and the darkness of the Netflix picture. The tv channels themselves do not seem to be affected. Any ideas? I'd hate to have to spend the time on sending the set back to Amazon. The Sony Hx820 that I bought last year died, the dreaded 4 blinking lies signifying nothing to be done, so I wouldn't want to buy from Sony again, though I thoroughly enjoyed the quality of the picture for as long as it lasted. And I read that Samsung may have similar issues, something to do with capacitors not lasting.

So im glad to hear someone on the same page as myself when it comes to darks being too dark. This seems to be only affected on mpeg, mkv, avi etc playback and amazon prime for me. Im sure other compressed video as well. The fact the matter is this tv is made to put out a high quality picture but only likes HD broadcasts and bluray playback. To fix the issue completly to not lose any detil in dark movies is to use light setting Not DARK and THX Cinema. If you change to bright room it gets brighter but does does not bring out the detail like what i explained above and will eventually give you eye fatigue.. So the only conclusion i have come up with this is the picture the director meant you to view the movie. nothing beats THX Cinema when its comes to blacks and contrast pop. Hopefully D-Nice can explain this to everyone why this set is doing this on compressed movies and not bluray discs. It just came to my mind that this could be a issue with the bluray players themselves maybe because we arent running 96hz ? Idk
i just checked my bluray player settings .. No change ,
I think it could be no 3:2 pullldown or 96hz with compressed movies. Sounds like panasonic should address this issue with a firmware update. Its not a contant issue but can be on dark scenes only
Edited by CSIG1001 - 6/8/13 at 8:24pm
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So if I take my set out of the box and just apply D-Nice settings without running the break in slides, will it harm my set? Should I only adjust the standard picture settings and leave all the sub menu settings as they came from the factory? Is it all right to use his settings without breaking in the set first as long as I am cautious for the first 100-200 hours of viewing?
post #1060 of 3303
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Originally Posted by ccccsdad View Post

So if I take my set out of the box and just apply D-Nice settings without running the break in slides, will it harm my set? Should I only adjust the standard picture settings and leave all the sub menu settings as they came from the factory? Is it all right to use his settings without breaking in the set first as long as I am cautious for the first 100-200 hours of viewing?

Using the D-Nice settings without his panel prep (following the instructions) will, theoretically, be no better than any other random settings. There is little you can do to harm the panel aside from the obvious.

Enjoy the new tv and get it pro calibrated after a few hundred hours.
post #1061 of 3303
Thanks for the advice and I will look into the possibilities that you mention.

I just got off the phone with the Amazon technical support group available for 30 days after purchasing the tv, and the advice was to switch off the Eco Navigation feature and then see what happens. Amazon support will be phoning me back in a couple of days to see how the change goes. I hope I don't have to return the set, it being such a time consuming pain, picking out a new one, etc.
post #1062 of 3303
In checking out the CNET settings for the VT60, I noticed that they ommitted the setting for Shapeness. Should I leave the Shapeness setting at default 50, or set it at 0? Thanks in advance for the response.
post #1063 of 3303
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Originally Posted by rrollens View Post

In checking out the CNET settings for the VT60, I noticed that they ommitted the setting for Shapeness. Should I leave the Shapeness setting at default 50, or set it at 0? Thanks in advance for the response.
Judging by D-Nice's settings and what I experienced with the 2012 models, 0 is the neutral setting, but anywhere between 0-25 should be ok. Anything more there will be noticeable artifacts. I leave my ST50 at 0.
post #1064 of 3303
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Judging by D-Nice's settings and what I experienced with the 2012 models, 0 is the neutral setting, but anywhere between 0-25 should be ok. Anything more there will be noticeable artifacts. I leave my ST50 at 0.

Thank you. Ill leave it at 0.
post #1065 of 3303
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Originally Posted by ccccsdad View Post

So if I take my set out of the box and just apply D-Nice settings without running the break in slides, will it harm my set? Should I only adjust the standard picture settings and leave all the sub menu settings as they came from the factory? Is it all right to use his settings without breaking in the set first as long as I am cautious for the first 100-200 hours of viewing?
If you use D-Nice's settings without doing his procedure then you will get a wider range of results. Even doing the whole procedure won't get you exactly the same results that D-Nice got when he did the calibration. The only way to get close to the exact results is hire D-Nice or an other highly qualified professional to calibrate your display. If you do that then your initial preparation won't make a difference.

You will not harm your display with anyone's settings.

A lot of people use D-Nice's settings without doing any or all of his procedure. The polite ones, who do that, always mention that they didn't do the preparation when they post comments about the results.
post #1066 of 3303
I only have 3 hours left of running the slides that D-Nice linked in the first post. I am excited to finally watch my TV. I know there has been a growing sentiment about the need to actually run the slides or not but i've come this far so hopefully it was worth it. After the slides are done running do I simply apply the settings D-Nice posted in the 2nd post and start watching TV? Does anyone have any other recommendations for settings not covered by D-Nice?
post #1067 of 3303
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Judging by D-Nice's settings and what I experienced with the 2012 models, 0 is the neutral setting, but anywhere between 0-25 should be ok. Anything more there will be noticeable artifacts. I leave my ST50 at 0.
Ditto on the sharpness range my vt50 is set at 25
post #1068 of 3303
Are there any recommended sound settings for the 60ST60? The sound is horrible. I have a surround system, but I don't always want to use it.
post #1069 of 3303
How come when I change the panal brightness from light to Mid, the picture gets darker? Almost like the blacks are getting crushed.
post #1070 of 3303
So I just finished running the slides and getting my settings completed. I ran into one issue. D-Nice recommends setting 3:2 pulldown to "auto" in the advanced picture screen. This is greyed out for me and says "off." I am unable to change it. What am I missing?
post #1071 of 3303
Quick question - ran the Slides for 100 hours...applied D-nice's settings but seems to be a little dark for my preferences...i put the contrast up a little to help but is there a quick fix/adjustment that will basically make the picture "brighter"? Thanks!
post #1072 of 3303
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Originally Posted by blg105 View Post

Quick question - ran the Slides for 100 hours...applied D-nice's settings but seems to be a little dark for my preferences...i put the contrast up a little to help but is there a quick fix/adjustment that will basically make the picture "brighter"? Thanks!
Change the gamma to a smaller number.
post #1073 of 3303
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

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Originally Posted by blg105 View Post

Quick question - ran the Slides for 100 hours...applied D-nice's settings but seems to be a little dark for my preferences...i put the contrast up a little to help but is there a quick fix/adjustment that will basically make the picture "brighter"? Thanks!
Change the gamma to a smaller number.
Or increase the level of Brightness. Try both and see which is better.
post #1074 of 3303
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

Or increase the level of Brightness. Try both and see which is better.
Brightness should really be left alone for the most part. You would have to change it a lot to make the picture brighter and then you will be ruining your black level.
post #1075 of 3303
Thanks for the help. I'll try the Gamma
post #1076 of 3303
Who is running THX Cinema or CNET settings on "dark" for black level in advanced menu for VT60
After further testing of bluray , mpeg 1080p movies i find this setting to dramatically makes certain scenes way too dark to watch . Making the picture suffer alot in background detail which means the background disappears in black. What i dont understand is it does this on almost all my mpeg , mkvs and some scenes on bluray. For example Star Trek .. Or completely night time scenes in movies..
THX bright room is great for HD TV and now i am finding out that for all my movies i have to set it to " light" for black levels in the advance menu so the picture can display the entire movie in detail without losing it to blacks . Seriously thinking either this tv needs a firmware update or needs to be exchanged for a new tv. I am sure this can be fixed by a professional calibrator. I know im not the only one complaining about this as someone on here has mentioned this.
post #1077 of 3303
As I mentioned in the other thread, dark is only good for me when I'm watching between the hours of 2pm and 6pm w/ high ambient light, your picture is already compromised in these conditions and I find "dark" helps with THX bright room in these conditions only...

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Question on some of the picture settings that "enhance" an image: thinking of Video Noise reduction, mpeg remaster - i have these off all the time but was wondering if anyone has found a combo of settings to alleviate some of the issues watching broadcast 720p that is compressed? I'm wondering if this usage model warrants turning some of these on, but when I toggle through I don't seem to see much improvement on the artefacts introduced by the service provider pipeline... Anyone found a magic mix?

I have had my input for my service provider w/ the mpeg remaster set to weak, but im not sure its really doing much, if anything
post #1078 of 3303
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

Who is running THX Cinema or CNET settings on "dark" for black level in advanced menu for VT60

For Blu-Ray and HDTV sources the Black Level control should be set to Light. When you select Dark you are telling the TV that the source is PC (0-255) and dark grays will be crushed into black.
post #1079 of 3303
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

For Blu-Ray and HDTV sources the Black Level control should be set to Light. When you select Dark you are telling the TV that the source is PC (0-255) and dark grays will be crushed into black.

Thanks , i just noticed too for HDTV it looks like dark settings is the best or should i leave this on light?
post #1080 of 3303
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

Thanks , i just noticed too for HDTV it looks like dark settings is the best or should i leave this on light?

It should be set on Light unless you are running the signal through a processor and sending PC levels to the TV.

This is easy to check using the free AVSHD disc - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

Set the display black level with the Brightness control and the disc's flashing pluge pattern with the TV set to "Light". While viewing the pattern, switch to "Dark" and observe what happens to the pluge pattern as all near black gets crushed and is no longer visible.
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