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post #1291 of 3317
I just did a second pass on my 65 VT60. This time I used the most recent AVS709 .mp4 played through my HTPC with MC-HPC/madVR.

Panasonic65VT60HTPCBeforeAfter.pdf 1345k .pdf file

Post calibration I popped the Blu ray version of the AVS709 disc in my PS3 and did a HTPC vs PS3 comparison.

Panasonic65VT60HTPCvsPS3.pdf 1342k .pdf file

All devices are plugged into my Denon AVR1713 and run via HDMI to the Panasonic VT60.

If anyone wants me to post the settings, I certainly could do so...
Edited by slosvt - 7/30/13 at 4:51am
post #1292 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8ohms View Post

Hey members,

I don;t know if this questions has been asked and answered before in this thread. But it's a question begging to be asked. D=Nice was nice enough to adjust the ST60 and posted the number that he said would make this model as close to the perfect. That's great and much appreciated. However! CNET and HD GURU also did the same thing and posted their numbers. And NONE of them are even close to each other. Contrast, Brightness, Sharpness, W/B, Gamma and the rest. So the question is. Which numbers should someone like me who has a TCP-60ST60 with well over 100 hours of viewing on it already use to get my TV as close to the "standard" or as close to perfect as possible if they all have such different and varying numbers????

Unless I and others have one of those calibration tools and all the graphic to see the pre and post adjustments, how would one be able to tell if the CNET numbers, or the HD GURU or D-NICE number are the ones that will best bring the TV as close to perfect????eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

I am really curious to know the answer to this because if the TV are all from the same factory and using pretty much the same component on the same production line. The then I believe the numbers should be very close to each other than what I and others have seen so far.

I would suggest using Cinema or Custom, setting the brightness (black) and contrast (white) and other basic picture settings, and NOT plugging in someone else's full calibration settings.There's a very HIGH chance that you are making the set look further from accurate than closer. I don't have the links handy, but there's only about a 1 in 20 chance that you are actually improving your picture or making it more accurate by using someone else's settings.
post #1293 of 3317
Hi

Would u be so kind and post your settings


Randy
post #1294 of 3317
Just received my 65vt60 going to run the slides.
The viera emblem comes on and moves around
the screen. How do you turn that off? I looked through
menu, but maybe missed something. Thank you.
post #1295 of 3317
Sorry for last post figured it out. Did not have it on slideshow.
post #1296 of 3317
Waiting for the D-Nice calibration settings is like waiting for the Second Coming. Maybe it's time to look for another Redeemer.
post #1297 of 3317
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Originally Posted by TerryofMPS View Post

Waiting for the D-Nice calibration settings is like waiting for the Second Coming. Maybe it's time to look for another Redeemer.
I'm sure that if you buy D-Nice which ever model that you're waiting for, he will calibrate it and post the settings in this thread. Either a VT60 or a ZT60 will do. smile.gif
post #1298 of 3317
Anyone have ST60 settings for the UK model?
post #1299 of 3317
D-Nice settings look great on my 65ST60 but I have one question. Sometimes when the camera switches scenes the picture get pixely for a quick second. Is that a setting issue? Thanks.
post #1300 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by mstrlucky74 View Post

D-Nice settings look great on my 65ST60 but I have one question. Sometimes when the camera switches scenes the picture get pixely for a quick second. Is that a setting issue? Thanks.
That's probably a source problem if you're referring to TV material. Do you see anything like that when you're watching DVD or Blu-ray disks?
post #1301 of 3317
Not sure have not watched disks yet but i will check. thanks
post #1302 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by 06TL View Post

Hi

Would u be so kind and post your settings


Randy

Ask and you shall recieve:

Pro 1

Contrast 100
Brightness +8
Color 50
Tint 0
Sharpness 0
Color Temp: Warm 2
Vivid Color: Off
Color Remaster: Off
Photo Enhance: Off
CATS: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG remaster: Off
Resolution remaster: Off
Caption smoother: Off
Brilliance smoother: Off
Motion smoother: Off
Pro Settings
Panel Bright: Mid
Color Gamut: 709
W/B Detail:
High R: -3
High B: -3
10: 24,0,42
20: 8,0,20
30: 5,0,15
40: 3,0,10
50: -3,0,3,
60: -2,0,0
70: -5,0,4
80: -7,0,0
90: -10,0,4
100: -12,0,0
Color Detail:
Red: -1, -5, -5
Green: 2, -5, -1
Blue: -3, -2, -4
Cyan: -2, 0 ,2
Magenta: 5, -3, -11
Yellow: 0, 0, 2
Gamma: 2.4
-5, -1, 0, 6, 6, 7, 2, 0, -3, 0
post #1303 of 3317
Thanks

I have time later in the week to try these out.


Randy
post #1304 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by slosvt View Post

Ask and you shall recieve:

Pro 1

Contrast 100
Brightness +8
Color 50
Tint 0
Sharpness 0
Color Temp: Warm 2
Vivid Color: Off
Color Remaster: Off
Photo Enhance: Off
CATS: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG remaster: Off
Resolution remaster: Off
Caption smoother: Off
Brilliance smoother: Off
Motion smoother: Off
Pro Settings
Panel Bright: Mid
Color Gamut: 709
W/B Detail:
High R: -3
High B: -3
10: 24,0,42
20: 8,0,20
30: 5,0,15
40: 3,0,10
50: -3,0,3,
60: -2,0,0
70: -5,0,4
80: -7,0,0
90: -10,0,4
100: -12,0,0
Color Detail:
Red: -1, -5, -5
Green: 2, -5, -1
Blue: -3, -2, -4
Cyan: -2, 0 ,2
Magenta: 5, -3, -11
Yellow: 0, 0, 2
Gamma: 2.4
-5, -1, 0, 6, 6, 7, 2, 0, -3, 0

They definitely address the green push on skin tones issue of the THX bright room.

Here a screenshot with THX bright room:


And here's the shot with the above settings:
post #1305 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack25 View Post

Anyone have ST60 settings for the UK model?
Anyone?

Also, for my ST60, I've read that Colour Gamut should be left on normal, but it makes the PQ look so washed out. Any suggestions?
post #1306 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack25 View Post

Anyone?

Also, for my ST60, I've read that Colour Gamut should be left on normal, but it makes the PQ look so washed out. Any suggestions?

Try AVForum, you'll have much better luck since its the UK forum.
post #1307 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by scientifix View Post

They definitely address the green push on skin tones issue of the THX bright room.

[snip]


The THX modes cannot be adjusted for white balance (W/B), color, or gamma. I think what you are seeing is just a placebo effect. (The color rendition in your photos look the same on my calibrated monitor. The only difference seems to be a slightly better shadow presentation.)

Larry
post #1308 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by jconjason View Post



Try AVForum, you'll have much better luck since its the UK forum.
Will do. Thanks
post #1309 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

The THX modes cannot be adjusted for white balance (W/B), color, or gamma. I think what you are seeing is just a placebo effect. (The color rendition in your photos look the same on my calibrated monitor. The only difference seems to be a slightly better shadow presentation.)

Larry

Sure Larry, just piss all over his parade!

Lol jk.smile.gif
post #1310 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

The THX modes cannot be adjusted for white balance (W/B), color, or gamma. I think what you are seeing is just a placebo effect. (The color rendition in your photos look the same on my calibrated monitor. The only difference seems to be a slightly better shadow presentation.)

Larry
I do see less green tint in certain gradients. Overall it looks like an improvement on my screen (also calibrated).
post #1311 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

I do see less green tint in certain gradients. Overall it looks like an improvement on my screen (also calibrated).

Hi, rahzel. Yeah, on a second look there is a bit less green under her eyes and on her cheeks. Probably due more to turning off the "enhancements" than anything else. Definitely an improvement in the contrast ratio though.


Hair looks more natural too. Appears to be the result of a Tint adjustment.


Larry
Edited by LarryInRI - 7/29/13 at 2:42pm
post #1312 of 3317

Here's a zoomed in version where the green blotches are better seen. It's very obvious to me in my regular watching.
post #1313 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by scientifix View Post

They definitely address the green push on skin tones issue of the THX bright room.

Here a screenshot with THX bright room:


And here's the shot with the above settings:

I am confused, was slosvt supposed to be bright room settings? Also which settings did he post, HTPC or PS3 or they did not change between them?
post #1314 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff_DML View Post

I am confused, was slosvt supposed to be bright room settings? Also which settings did he post, HTPC or PS3 or they did not change between them?


His settings are for the Professional 1 picture mode. The source ideally should have no effect.

Larry
post #1315 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff_DML View Post

I am confused, was slosvt supposed to be bright room settings? Also which settings did he post, HTPC or PS3 or they did not change between them?

They are the final settings for my HTPC (day). I showed the PS3 VS HTPC settings for grins and giggles.

I will do a night cal later...
post #1316 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by slosvt View Post

They are the final settings for my HTPC (day). I showed the PS3 VS HTPC settings for grins and giggles.

I will do a night cal later...


Hi, slosvt.

When you do your night calibration with the pro2 setting would you try to get the grayscale as good as possible with the default settings and using only the top level W/B controls first? Then touch it up with the detailed 10 point W/B controls? I'm asking because your Brightness setting is close to mine while others with the same model seem to require a setting closer to zero. I'm curious to see how your cal comes out using my methodology.

BTW, it is almost a necessity to use ControlCAL with this beast in order to get a good calibration in a reasonable time period.


Larry
post #1317 of 3317
Hi Larry,

Regarding the Brightness setting and different calibrations. On the 'Official Panasonic VT60/VT65 Series Discussion Thread' a few owners mentioned that the calibrated 'Custom' picture mode is darker than Cinema/Pro 1/Pro 2, and that the modes calibrate differently. I don't understand why that would be the case, but since you used 'Custom' (unlike CNET for example), could that explain the different Brightness results? Would be interesting to see if you got different results under 'Cinema' or 'Pro 1' (if you have nothing else to do :-)). Having said all of that, slosvt got the same Brightness setting as you using 'Pro 1'.

Thanks,
Tom
post #1318 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by nitzant View Post

Hi Larry,

Regarding the Brightness setting and different calibrations. On the 'Official Panasonic VT60/VT65 Series Discussion Thread' a few owners mentioned that the calibrated 'Custom' picture mode is darker than Cinema/Pro 1/Pro 2, and that the modes calibrate differently. I don't understand why that would be the case, but since you used 'Custom' (unlike CNET for example), could that explain the different Brightness results? Would be interesting to see if you got different results under 'Cinema' or 'Pro 1' (if you have nothing else to do :-)). Having said all of that, slosvt got the same Brightness setting as you using 'Pro 1'.

Thanks,
Tom

Tom,

I have also calibrated my 65VT60 in the Pro mode. With the Gamma control at 2.4 and using three different disks (AVSHD, GSD, and Ryan Masciola's), Brightness needs to be set at +5. Slosvt ended up at +8. Others are getting settings nearer to zero or +1. I am just coming up on the 400 hour mark and will be doing another calibration probably over the next weekend.

The max output can be made the same for the Custom, Cinema, and Pro modes. For example, with all modes set with a Gamma control at 2.4, a Contrast setting of 50 in the Pro mode and 79 in both the Custom and Cinema mode all yield about 29 ftL. And Pro1 and Pro2 are identical. So I don't understand what you mean when you say "the calibrated 'Custom' picture mode is darker than Cinema/Pro 1/Pro 2, and that the modes calibrate differently.". All modes can 'calibrate' differently depending on the initial conditions one chooses. I'm talking 'calibrating' with a spectrometer and colorimeter not simply adjusting.

Once I was a proponent of the method that D-Nice uses. However, during the past six or so years, I have seen the variation among units of the same model/size become larger. This variation increase seemed to become very noticeable in the 2010 models (both Panasonics and Samsungs) and seemed to have become more prominent last year and possibly more so this year. That's why I asked slosvt to do perform the calibration in the same manner that I did -- to reduce other the effect of other variables. I want to see if there is indeed a significant variation in Brightness setting that large among units.

Larry
post #1319 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Tom,

I have also calibrated my 65VT60 in the Pro mode. With the Gamma control at 2.4 and using three different disks (AVSHD, GSD, and Ryan Masciola's), Brightness needs to be set at +5. Slosvt ended up at +8. Others are getting settings nearer to zero or +1. I am just coming up on the 400 hour mark and will be doing another calibration probably over the next weekend.

The max output can be made the same for the Custom, Cinema, and Pro modes. For example, with all modes set with a Gamma control at 2.4, a Contrast setting of 50 in the Pro mode and 79 in both the Custom and Cinema mode all yield about 29 ftL. And Pro1 and Pro2 are identical. So I don't understand what you mean when you say "the calibrated 'Custom' picture mode is darker than Cinema/Pro 1/Pro 2, and that the modes calibrate differently.". All modes can 'calibrate' differently depending on the initial conditions one chooses. I'm talking 'calibrating' with a spectrometer and colorimeter not simply adjusting.

Once I was a proponent of the method that D-Nice uses. However, during the past six or so years, I have seen the variation among units of the same model/size become larger. This variation increase seemed to become very noticeable in the 2010 models (both Panasonics and Samsungs) and seemed to have become more prominent last year and possibly more so this year. That's why I asked slosvt to do perform the calibration in the same manner that I did -- to reduce other the effect of other variables. I want to see if there is indeed a significant variation in Brightness setting that large among units.

Larry

Thanks Larry, appreciate the clarification, and it makes sense (although this significant variation is quite frustrating :-)). Below are the quotes I was referring to, I must have misunderstood the context.

Thanks again,
Tom

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467563/official-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/2550#post_23420330

Quote:
Originally Posted by tbass2k
"Using Calman 4 last night I calibrated my dad's tv in custom mode to compare it to cinema mode (with cnet settings). With a 100% IRE test pattern I measure 33 fl in cinema mode and only 23 fl in custom mode. Panel brightness was set to MID on both modes and no matter what I adjusted in the custom mode I couldn't get higher than ~24 fl. What am I missing here? I even adjusted the individual color luminances to no avail. What gives? Shouldn't I be able to calibrate this mode to look like any other mode if I wanted?"
Sillysally: “Yes you are correct Custom mode is dimmer than Cinema, Pro 1 and 2.
I ran a quick profile on Custom mode and yes the total light output was less, I did find the RGB separation to be better in custom mode than in Cinema, Pro 1 and 2.”
post #1320 of 3317
Tom,

Yes, I read those posts and did not understand them at all. Maybe they meant that with default setting one mode is brighter than another. There is no dispute there. Neither of those posts included all the information needed to make clear statements to draw specific conclusions.


EDIT: Tom, are you talking about brightness as in peak output -- or the Brightness control as in setting the black level? I'm interested in the black level Brightness setting variation not peak output.


Larry
Edited by LarryInRI - 7/30/13 at 3:39pm
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