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post #1561 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Rick Pott View Post

Answer to this question is incorrect. You can use a Mac to create the SD card slides. You just need to open a terminal session and go to the directory containing the slides and 'rm' the files that aren't necessary. I issued the following command in my Break-In Images path to delete the extra files: rm ._Slide*

An even easier solution is to do this in the terminal:

1. Type: dot_clean
2. Hit the space bar once
3. Drag your USB/SD to the terminal window
4. Press enter

Example: dot_clean /Users/You/Your USB Stick

Now all the hidden files are removed
post #1562 of 3315
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Originally Posted by bosundave View Post

I have been asked by a Senor member of Calibration Forums to do an FAQ on Dnices procedures. It needs one desperately. I wil actually present my FAQ here and in the S60 Dnice sticky on AVS.
I need yo guys to chime in and HELP me with the FAQ. I got the questions..most of them. Dave

Who asked you to do this? Have you spoken to a mod? You can't make your own sticky, or put something in someone elses post (dnice). Do you plan to USE CAPITAL letters like you have in your posts? That makes it difficult to read and people equate that to "yelling".

Unless a mod has asked you to make the FAQ, I don't see it going anywhere.
post #1563 of 3315
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

Who asked you to do this? Have you spoken to a mod? You can't make your own sticky, or put something in someone elses post (dnice). Do you plan to USE CAPITAL letters like you have in your posts? That makes it difficult to read and people equate that to "yelling".

Unless a mod has asked you to make the FAQ, I don't see it going anywhere.
He can always post it and then all of us regulars can reference it to the newbies. Certainly not a waste of time. I say Have at it.
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Turbe asked me to do it for Calibrations forum. I told him that I would, but had more help here(from some people...).
If you dont want me to post an FAQ here I wont.

I am about done here anyways do to negative feedback. I thought it would be of immense help to have a vetted FAQ with correct steps for 2013 sets. I thought I was making some great headway doing that. See ya.
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Originally Posted by djsketchie View Post

An even easier solution is to do this in the terminal:

1. Type: dot_clean
2. Hit the space bar once
3. Drag your USB/SD to the terminal window
4. Press enter

Example: dot_clean /Users/You/Your USB Stick

Now all the hidden files are removed

Thanks. I will use this. But you wont see the results on this forum. Too much negativity.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

Who asked you to do this? Have you spoken to a mod? You can't make your own sticky, or put something in someone elses post (dnice). Do you plan to USE CAPITAL letters like you have in your posts? That makes it difficult to read and people equate that to "yelling".

Unless a mod has asked you to make the FAQ, I don't see it going anywhere.
He can always post it and then all of us regulars can reference it to the newbies. Certainly not a waste of time. I say Have at it.
I agree. Have at it. smile.gif
post #1567 of 3315
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Originally Posted by bosundave View Post

Turbe asked me to do it for Calibrations forum. I told him that I would, but had more help here(from some people...).
If you dont want me to post an FAQ here I wont.

I am about done here anyways do to negative feedback. I thought it would be of immense help to have a vetted FAQ with correct steps for 2013 sets. I thought I was making some great headway doing that. See ya.
Thanks. I will use this. But you wont see the results on this forum. Too much negativity.
Too much negativity? You are going to abandon all of your efforts because of one post?
post #1568 of 3315
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Originally Posted by bosundave View Post

Turbe asked me to do it for Calibrations forum. I told him that I would, but had more help here(from some people...).
If you dont want me to post an FAQ here I wont.

I am about done here anyways do to negative feedback. I thought it would be of immense help to have a vetted FAQ with correct steps for 2013 sets. I thought I was making some great headway doing that. See ya.



Thanks. I will use this. But you wont see the results on this forum. Too much negativity.
This is a special purpose thread. The two threads linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post are also special purpose threads. If you start a thread to build a FAQ, then that would also be a worthwhile special purpose thread regardless of which forum it's in. People will pass the link around.

I reserved the first three posts for expansion. That was a mistake. I should have reserved six! biggrin.gif

Interested people will come to you with assistance and contributions.

Enjoy. smile.gif
post #1569 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Too much negativity? You are going to abandon all of your efforts because of one post?

I agree! And really i wasn't trying to be "negative" with my post. I just asked questions about his FAQ. Kind of an over reaction on his part.

If that was taken as "negativity", he won't last long here.
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

I agree! And really i wasn't trying to be "negative" with my post. I just asked questions about his FAQ. Kind of an over reaction on his part.

If that was taken as "negativity", he won't last long here.

I was surprised at the bite to your original post... Take a Dale Carnegie class.... (old joke)
post #1571 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Too much negativity? You are going to abandon all of your efforts because of one post?

No, I have had hate PM.s Some real nasty stuff like I am a teenager with OCD. I am 56 and disabled and have limited income. I dd not want to scew up a major appliance purchase.
Look back therr were 2 or 3 nasty posts. it was plenty. Trust me. It was so weird.

I have only abadoned expanding things here. I am pretty much done, really. I had help elsewhere too. My step by step has been corrected and updated to 2013, I have an hour meter how to list, and a decent FAQ with pretty good answers. It will be posted on Calibration Forums who came to me, personally to ask me to do this.

I thought i would get the most support here. I did, but enough hate that I had to put the brakes on. You know. I was trying to do a really nice thing and got a lot of crap for it. I have no idea why. It did not make any sense. I certainly didnt need it. besides, I am done until I actually do the procedure myself and possible add or tweak my list/FAQ
Monday should be the post, if I get my set this Friday.

Thanks very much to those who did help. It wasnt in vain. I have not abandoned anything. Just dont look for my final draft on this forum. if a mod had jumped in, that would have made all the difference. That never happened.

Jconjason was the last straw....he was no where near the first. Re read his post. Hard not to call that majorly negative. there were much worse in PM.
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Sorry to hear about all that but dont let it bother you too much. Hope you enjoy your tv and have a better one.
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Originally Posted by bosundave View Post

No, I have had hate PM.s Some real nasty stuff like I am a teenager with OCD. I am 56 and disabled and have limited income. I dd not want to scew up a major appliance purchase.
Look back therr were 2 or 3 nasty posts. it was plenty. Trust me. It was so weird.

I have only abadoned expanding things here. I am pretty much done, really. I had help elsewhere too. My step by step has been corrected and updated to 2013, I have an hour meter how to list, and a decent FAQ with pretty good answers. It will be posted on Calibration Forums who came to me, personally to ask me to do this.

I thought i would get the most support here. I did, but enough hate that I had to put the brakes on. You know. I was trying to do a really nice thing and got a lot of crap for it. I have no idea why. It did not make any sense. I certainly didnt need it. besides, I am done until I actually do the procedure myself and possible add or tweak my list/FAQ
Monday should be the post, if I get my set this Friday.

Thanks very much to those who did help. It wasnt in vain. I have not abandoned anything. Just dont look for my final draft on this forum. if a mod had jumped in, that would have made all the difference. That never happened.

Jconjason was the last straw....he was no where near the first. Re read his post. Hard not to call that majorly negative. there were much worse in PM.

Internet is so frustrating. I am a really big guy and nobody, I mean nobody says things like this to me in person ever. I grew up that way. To be an a hole on line is just cowardly in my book. I never treat anyone like that, ever. I have to wonder why people do the things they do. Its depressing, is what it is. Not mad. just dissapointed with the human race sometimes.
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Originally Posted by bosundave View Post

just dissapointed with the human race sometimes.


This is why I have lots of dogs and stay at home.
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Originally Posted by hoosierdsddie View Post

This is why I have lots of dogs and stay at home.

Man your house must stink! biggrin.gif joke
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I used to work in customer service where I was always disappointed in the human race. It is what it is.
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I'm getting a new Panasonic S64 in tomorrow. I was under the impression that it would be a good idea to set the panel to loop the break-in slides with D-Nice's settings for 100 hours or so before using the set, especially since I plan on doing gaming on the set. However, it appears the first post says that these slides should not be used that way? Why is that, will doing what I suggested harm the TV?

Thanks!
post #1578 of 3315
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

I'm getting a new Panasonic S64 in tomorrow. I was under the impression that it would be a good idea to set the panel to loop the break-in slides with D-Nice's settings for 100 hours or so before using the set, especially since I plan on doing gaming on the set. However, it appears the first post says that these slides should not be used that way? Why is that, will doing what I suggested harm the TV?

Thanks!
Read the 2 previous pages.
post #1579 of 3315
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

I'm getting a new Panasonic S64 in tomorrow. I was under the impression that it would be a good idea to set the panel to loop the break-in slides with D-Nice's settings for 100 hours or so before using the set, especially since I plan on doing gaming on the set. However, it appears the first post says that these slides should not be used that way? Why is that, will doing what I suggested harm the TV?

Thanks!
What D-Nice is saying is that he's not claiming that anything you might do in the first 100 hours will have any significant effect on image retention. If you depend on running the slides for 100 hours for anything other than what D-Nice intended, you might be in for a disappointment.

The only thing that might harm the TV, as far as the slides are concerned, is false assumptions put into action. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Read the 2 previous pages.

Just did, thanks. I'd skimmed the thread a little before, but it gets a bit overwhelming with threads of this size. Looks like the consensus is that that is mostly a disclaimer and a warning to people that running these slides does not magically make your slide immune to everything. Running the slides for 100 hours and then calibrating with the Fairchild S64 settings should be safe.

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

What D-Nice is saying is that he's not claiming that anything you might do in the first 100 hours will have any significant effect on image retention. If you depend on running the slides for 100 hours for anything other than what D-Nice intended, you might be in for a disappointment.

The only thing that might harm the TV as far as the slides are concerned is false assumptions put into action. wink.gif

Gotcha, sounds like the conclusion I reached after just reviewing the last two threads. Thanks!
post #1581 of 3315
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

Looks like the consensus is that that is mostly a disclaimer and a warning to people that running these slides does not magically make your slide immune to everything. Running the slides for 100 hours and then calibrating with the Fairchild S64 settings should be safe.
Exactly.
post #1582 of 3315
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Originally Posted by DWells55 View Post

Running the slides for 100 hours and then calibrating with the Fairchild S64 settings should be safe.

Just to clarify, plugging in all of someone else's settings is not calibrating. You are better off using Cinema/Custom, setting the basic adjustments (turn off enhancements, etc.), getting a disc like Disney WoW and using it to calibrate basic settings like brightness, and leaving the rest of the settings at default. Plugging in someone else's settings is not going to make your set look better or more accurate, just different.
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

Just to clarify, plugging in all of someone else's settings is not calibrating. You are better off using Cinema/Custom, setting the basic adjustments (turn off enhancements, etc.), getting a disc like Disney WoW and using it to calibrate basic settings like brightness, and leaving the rest of the settings at default. Plugging in someone else's settings is not going to make your set look better or more accurate, just different.
If youre lucky it will make it look different and better.
post #1584 of 3315
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

Just to clarify, plugging in all of someone else's settings is not calibrating. You are better off using Cinema/Custom, setting the basic adjustments (turn off enhancements, etc.), getting a disc like Disney WoW and using it to calibrate basic settings like brightness, and leaving the rest of the settings at default. Plugging in someone else's settings is not going to make your set look better or more accurate, just different.

Agreed.
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I just got a P50ST60 on Monday...

So I've been taking some readings with HCFR using D-Nice's settings using the .mp4 versions of the calibration patterns found on the AVS calibration disc and playing them on the built in media player on the ST60.

I'm also taking my readings with the assumption that he was targeting a gamma of 2.5. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I've only broken the set in for approximately 60 hours though. 80% of the time with the slides, the other 20% of the time with other logoless 16:9 content.

I'm surprised how close things are considering how much panels can differ. It could be better at the higher end of the gray scale, but I'll smooth those out later after I've aged the set just a bit more. It's possible that it will get closer after I age it more with D-Nice's slides, but I was too anxious to take some readings now.





Gamma:


75% Color:




When I play the same .mp4s in MPC-HC off of my HTPC things are skewed a bit more. I'll definitely need to calibrate specifically for it on the input it's plugged into. I'm getting 42ftL with 100% white w/ MPC-HC from my HTPC vs 37ftL when I play the same pattern with the same settings from the built in movie player.




I'm a noob at this... So when I do my own calibrations, they will be my first 10 point grayscale, gamma, and primary color calibrations. I've only done 2 point grayscale before. So if anyone wants to give me any tips I'd appreciate it. biggrin.gif

I just thought it might be useful info to some to show how close D-Nice's settings are on my specific panel.

Using I1 Display Pro.

Edit: As far as people who do their own calibrations, which gamma do you recommend for this set? 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, or what?
Edited by damag0r - 8/29/13 at 6:21am
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The panel will continue to age/change until about 300 hours. So you can do an initial cal at around 100, but will need to redo it at 300+.
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Originally Posted by damag0r View Post

I just got a P50ST60 on Monday...

So I've been taking some readings with HCFR using D-Nice's settings using the .mp4 versions of the calibration patterns found on the AVS calibration disc and playing them on the built in media player on the ST60.

I'm also taking my readings with the assumption that he was targeting a gamma of 2.5. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Gamma is a moving target on plasmas... depending on which patterns you use, your gamma measurement will be different. I'm not speaking for D-Nice, but I can almost guarantee you that he does not target 2.5 in any case. Patterns also slightly affect your RGB tracking measurements (much less so than gamma though).
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I've only broken the set in for approximately 60 hours though. 80% of the time with the slides, the other 20% of the time with other logoless 16:9 content.

I'm surprised how close things are considering how much panels can differ. It could be better at the higher end of the gray scale, but I'll smooth those out later after I've aged the set just a bit more. It's possible that it will get closer after I age it more with D-Nice's slides, but I was too anxious to take some readings now.



Gamma:


75% Color:
Indeed, that's not bad for plugging in settings. As cyberbri said above, your panel will continue to drift until ~300hr mark, then it will settle. It will still drift afterwards, like all displays, but it will drift at a much slower rate. You will definitely want to re-calibrate at the ~300hr mark.

BTW, you're using an older version of HCFR... use this one instead.
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When I play the same .mp4s in MPC-HC off of my HTPC things are skewed a bit more. I'll definitely need to calibrate specifically for it on the input it's plugged into. I'm getting 42ftL with 100% white w/ MPC-HC from my HTPC vs 37ftL when I play the same pattern with the same settings from the built in movie player.
There shouldn't be a significant difference between your HTPC and other media players, assuming all of your levels are matched (ie, both set to 16-235 or 0-255).

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I'm a noob at this... So when I do my own calibrations, they will be my first 10 point grayscale, gamma, and primary color calibrations. I've only done 2 point grayscale before. So if anyone wants to give me any tips I'd appreciate it. biggrin.gif

I just thought it might be useful info to some to show how close D-Nice's settings are on my specific panel.

Using I1 Display Pro.

Edit: As far as people who do their own calibrations, which gamma do you recommend for this set? 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, or what?
-Do a 2pt calibration first, then do a 10pt afterwards. Reason being is they overlap, so if you do a 2pt calibration + 10pt calibration, it will help with banding in gradients or in-between measure points.
-For color gamut, I recommend using 75% luminance / 75% saturation patterns, because it better represents real world content. You can find these patterns on the GCD disc.
-For patterns, I recommend either using GCD or mascior's calibration disc, either the 10% APL or 10% window patterns. Just my opinion... it's subjective which patterns are best.
-As for gamma, that's mainly up to you and your lighting conditions. IMO 2.1-2.2 would work well for a brighter room, 2.2-2.4 would work well for a darker room. You might also want to try BT.1886 gamma. Use the gamma slider and set it to whatever setting that is closest to your desired gamma target, then use the gamma gain to do any fine tuning.

If you have any questions, I would ask them in the HCFR thread or the Display Calibration forum.

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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

The panel will continue to age/change until about 300 hours. So you can do an initial cal at around 100, but will need to redo it at 300+.
Technically the panel will continue to drift after 300hrs, just at a much slower rate.
Edited by rahzel - 8/29/13 at 2:38pm
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hi, rahzel, I have never seen a calibration report by D-Nice where the point gamma was not about 2.22. His report on a ST60 in post #2 of this thread shows that. Because of the low minimum black levels on these new Panasonics, using bt.1886 yields a gamma that is too high for my taste. I agree with everything else that you said. And the latest version of HCFR (3.0.4.4) by zoyd is terrific.

Larry
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Ya, D-Nice seems to usually target ~2.22. I personally like my gamma ~2.3 in my dark viewing area.
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Gamma is a moving target on plasmas... depending on which patterns you use, your gamma measurement will be different. I'm not speaking for D-Nice, but I can almost guarantee you that he does not target 2.5 in any case. Patterns also slightly affect your RGB tracking measurements (much less so than gamma though).

Yeah, I missed the report before which has the gamma of 2.22. Which is very confusing considering he says to set the gamma to 2.6 on 50" and 55" panels, and 2.4 on the larger ones under the gamma settings in the Pro menu. Also, when I use his settings my average gamma was coming out to about 2.5 and if I kept the reference gamma at 2.22 my deltaE's were much further off. I guess that means D-Nice's settings didn't actually get as close as I thought they did or either there was some sort of mistake or odd reason he had for telling us to set it to 2.6 or 2.4 in the Pro menu... Any idea why?
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

There shouldn't be a significant difference between your HTPC and other media players, assuming all of your levels are matched (ie, both set to 16-235 or 0-255).

They are set the same. I switched all of the HDMI content types to "OFF" and all ranges are set to "standard" (16-235). Neither of these options are available under advanced options when in the built in movie player though. It's probably Nvidia's drivers boosting the contrast or maybe there is a setting I'm missing somewhere in the Nvidia control panel? Maybe I should set the content type back to "auto" instead of "off", but I can't see how this wouldn't just mess up things.

Anyway thanks for the info. I'll target 2.22 or 2.3 when I do my actual calibration. I was going to originally wait until 250 hours were up to do it, but I don't think I can wait that long. wink.gif

Oh and I'll definitely upgrade my HCFR.
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