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post #1951 of 3304
I did....I'm an idiot....its even in bold....lol
post #1952 of 3304
Does it take long to learn how to calibrate a panel yourself with the right equipment? I'm a big DIY'er, but I don't want to spend months learning how to calibrate a panel then not getting good results. My other option is to pay someone to do it, but if I'm going to pay $400 or so, might as well use the money to buy the equipment and learn a useful skill.

So can someone get decent results within a month if you are a complete newbie at this, or do you really need to take some sort of course and have lots of experience?

Right now, my ST60 looks great on Netflix, but not so good on Blu-Ray. Skin tones are too yellow, and I'm not sure what settings I can play with to reduce the yellow skin tones. I'm assuming the settings all depend on each other, so this might not be easy at all without the right equipment... hence my interest in learning how to calibrate a panel.
post #1953 of 3304
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Originally Posted by beezar View Post

Does it take long to learn how to calibrate a panel yourself with the right equipment? I'm a big DIY'er, but I don't want to spend months learning how to calibrate a panel then not getting good results. My other option is to pay someone to do it, but if I'm going to pay $400 or so, might as well use the money to buy the equipment and learn a useful skill.

So can someone get decent results within a month if you are a complete newbie at this, or do you really need to take some sort of course and have lots of experience?

Right now, my ST60 looks great on Netflix, but not so good on Blu-Ray. Skin tones are too yellow, and I'm not sure what settings I can play with to reduce the yellow skin tones. I'm assuming the settings all depend on each other, so this might not be easy at all without the right equipment... hence my interest in learning how to calibrate a panel.

FWIW, as a fellow "tinkerer", with "no formal training/experience", having fiddling around with my Panny 700U service menu settings, and more recently ZT60, what I've noticed, in both sets, is that Red is the dominant color, and usually has the "higher" values. Followed by Green then Blue respectively. So if you want to lessen the effect of one color, "one way' to do it would be to move that color in the opposite direction of whatever red is (relative to the Red being a positive or negative number). For instance, while flipping channels, I came across "Finding Nemo", where the color Blue, was way too strong (also, in the Eagles/Giants game, the Giants' blue uniforms looked way to "neon". In the settings, Red saturation was set at (12) or so, and Blue at (8). To "turn down the Blue", I set Blue saturation down to (2) or (3). Conversely, if Red was (-12), I would move the blue from (-8) to (-2) or (-1) to get a similar effect.

**** In no way is this GOSPEL!!!! Just some general observation to get started by "eyeballing" settings changes to get some desired effects with color balance. One caveat, is that "Red, may control Green and Blue at the same time...at least that's how my 700U behaved. Whatever I set "Red CUT" and "Red DRV", the "All CUT" and "All DRV" were moved in lock-step. So if you're happy with your Red levels, which may affect your Grayscale, I wouldn't move Red around too much.

Good luck...and "Knowledge is power" (read, I'm just some dude on the internet who wanted to tone down some strong Green color on his set, and lowered the Green values in the service menu on his sets and it worked). I will also be scheduling a professional calibration soon.
Edited by colnago - 10/28/13 at 1:43pm
post #1954 of 3304
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Originally Posted by beezar View Post

Does it take long to learn how to calibrate a panel yourself with the right equipment? I'm a big DIY'er, but I don't want to spend months learning how to calibrate a panel then not getting good results. My other option is to pay someone to do it, but if I'm going to pay $400 or so, might as well use the money to buy the equipment and learn a useful skill.

So can someone get decent results within a month if you are a complete newbie at this, or do you really need to take some sort of course and have lots of experience?

Right now, my ST60 looks great on Netflix, but not so good on Blu-Ray. Skin tones are too yellow, and I'm not sure what settings I can play with to reduce the yellow skin tones. I'm assuming the settings all depend on each other, so this might not be easy at all without the right equipment... hence my interest in learning how to calibrate a panel.

You can learn how to do a decent DIY calibration in a relatively short amount of time, depending on your interest level, available free time and competency. There are a number of options for pattern generation, meters and software. Some are free and some are not. I chose to try using an i1display2 meter ($150 at the time), with HCFR software (free) and AVSHD 709 (free) on my 2011 pn59d8000. I was very pleased with the results, however it did consume quite a bit of time (very significant if you ask my wife smile.gif), and after doing the same on my VT60 I have decided to hire a professional to make sure I am getting the most out of the set. I would suggest that at a minimum you get a set up disk, (AVSHD, Disney WOW or Spears and Munsil) to properly set your brightness and contrast controls. There is a lot of information on the Display Calibration Thread here. You can definitely end up spending a significant amount of time pursuing perfection if you go the meter and software route, there is a reason why there are a number of professionals in this business. If you choose to go that route, spectracal has a number of software and meter bundles that are popular. In the end it is really just a personal preference/decision, do you want to spend the time and effort on a new hobby or just hire someone with skills honed over years with access to $1000's of equipment that will squeeze every last ounce out of the display. Below are some links that I found helpful when I was getting started.

AVSHD disk (test patterns)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496
Grayscale For Dummies (calibration guide)
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
Basic CMS calibration guide (calibration guide)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852536
colorHCFR (software)
http://www.homecinema-fr.com/colorimetre/index_en.php
TV Info Basics
http://www.tweakguides.com/HDTV_1.html
PS3 Settings
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/blu-ray-dvd-disc-media-players/55735-how-properly-set-up-your-sony-ps3-blu-ray-player.html
post #1955 of 3304
I tried looking through the forum for info on the 3d settings, it seems like it's not too popular on this set not alot of info. If anyone else has any info on this it would be greatly appreicated! I watched life of pi in 3d and the effects are great! (movie is too) but the screen looks so dim. I just got avatar in 3d and looking forwrd to checking it out this weekend. There's an option under the 3d settings to increase and decrease the amount the picture will I guess pop of the screen is it good to adjust this??? Will it distort the picture in some way


ANy tips would be greatly appreicated!
post #1956 of 3304
Posting the same question in multiple threads is frowned upon.
post #1957 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Posting the same question in multiple threads is frowned upon.


Not trying to post the question in multiple threads, I'm trying to post the question in the right thread. seeing this was the 2013 panasonic settings thread I thought THIS would be the proper forum.

And this thread when you do a search on avsforums isn't one of the first threads to pop up.

However, I guess I'm sorry for posting in too many places.


Regards,



FYI- Goldfinger is a great film; OHMSS is better wink.gif
post #1958 of 3304
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Originally Posted by glantern30 View Post

FYI- Goldfinger is a great film; OHMSS is better wink.gif
From Russia, With Love is better than both. smile.gif
post #1959 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

From Russia, With Love is better than both. smile.gif

"2nd-ed".
post #1960 of 3304

glantern30, I made note that "SoundandVision.com" had both 2D & 3D settings for the ST60. Check it out?

I want to say thanks to Mr. Bond for his help getting me going with D-Nice's slides, which I just finished running for 150 hours. Made my way through the "not most intuitive" menu for the settings to be inputted after the slides.

Had Avatar in my BR player, which is my source for now to check out the picture. What a great picture! Think I need to adjust the refresh rate for 24p input as I noticed a slight blurring in some screens I checked out. Might be my eyes?

Obviously, I have to thank D-Nice for his hard work, resulting in starting this thread & posting his calibration results. Not all sets are the same but the detailed settings will stay untouched, maybe main screen ones tweaked down the road. As of now, GREAT picture!

Can't wait to check out my U-verse channels after moving the ST60 into my bedroom on Friday with my wife's help. Swapping out a Sony Bravia XBR4 40", a really nice TV that is going into a brighter living room. And the 40" screen will be perfect viewing for how far the couch is.

Wish Panasonic gave you a hard copy of the manual instead of an onscreen one. But down-loaded it to my new Nexus 7 so that works!

I have a pile of BR's to check out in full screen of course, most 2:34:1 format, my preferred way to watch a movie. In it's original format?

To be continued...

Jeff

post #1961 of 3304
I downloaded Dnice's slides and put them onto a flash drive. Now when I open them on the TV, they pop up fine, but also pop up duplicates, but in the form of "cannot read file" screens. I don't know what the problem is. I reformatted the drive, erased everything, still getting 12 of the slides in a "cannot read file". Anyone have this problem??
post #1962 of 3304
Use FAT32?
post #1963 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Use FAT32?
Did that. I'm using Mac if that matters.
post #1964 of 3304
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Originally Posted by NU2PLAZ View Post

glantern30, I made note that "SoundandVision.com" had both 2D & 3D settings for the ST60. Check it out?
I want to say thanks to Mr. Bond for his help getting me going with D-Nice's slides, which I just finished running for 150 hours. Made my way through the "not most intuitive" menu for the settings to be inputted after the slides.
Had Avatar in my BR player, which is my source for now to check out the picture. What a great picture! Think I need to adjust the refresh rate for 24p input as I noticed a slight blurring in some screens I checked out. Might be my eyes?
Obviously, I have to thank D-Nice for his hard work, resulting in starting this thread & posting his calibration results. Not all sets are the same but the detailed settings will stay untouched, maybe main screen ones tweaked down the road. As of now, GREAT picture!
Can't wait to check out my U-verse channels after moving the ST60 into my bedroom on Friday with my wife's help. Swapping out a Sony Bravia XBR4 40", a really nice TV that is going into a brighter living room. And the 40" screen will be perfect viewing for how far the couch is.
Wish Panasonic gave you a hard copy of the manual instead of an onscreen one. But down-loaded it to my new Nexus 7 so that works!
I have a pile of BR's to check out in full screen of course, most 2:34:1 format, my preferred way to watch a movie. In it's original format?
To be continued...
Jeff

thanks will give them a shot!
post #1965 of 3304
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Originally Posted by shrex View Post

Did that. I'm using Mac if that matters.


http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7271&postcount=108
post #1966 of 3304
Would love to see some detailed, post-calibration 3D settings posted. Anyone?
post #1967 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

From Russia, With Love is better than both. smile.gif

And if 'Bond 007' says it, believe it!cool.gif
post #1968 of 3304
hdspringer98, I posted above that "SoundandVision.com" has detailed 2D & 3D calibration settings. Just search the site & you'll find them. Both are detailed, full settings. I have no interest in 3D viewing but have at it!
Have been playing the BBC Planet Earth "Life" set all day until moving the set to it's final resting spot in my bedroom tomorrow. The Oprah Winfrey narrated one I got on sale (bummer but can turn her off) with the David Attenborough narrated "Frozen Planet" for $20 on sale. These were what blew me away years ago on blue ray & still do! Absolutely stunning photography that D-Nice's settings make breathtaking.
Easiest thing I've done was putting D-Nice's 12 slides on my USB stick from a PC.
After hooking up my cable I can comment on 1080i content with these settings. For now will copy to all of the HDMI inputs.
So far, amazing PQ!
Jeff
post #1969 of 3304
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Thank you, I just beat around that bush and used a PC haha
post #1970 of 3304
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Originally Posted by shrex View Post

Did that. I'm using Mac if that matters.
Format it on a PC if possible. MACs are known to add hidden files... not sure how to get around it (don't have a MAC).
post #1971 of 3304
Noticed when I started running the slides that it seems like they all do not stay on the screen an equal amount og time....it seemed like the red green blue came off more quickly...it may be my mind playing games with me but it just seemed that way...
post #1972 of 3304
for a slight image retention, should one use D-nice slides or scrolling bar? or is it just strictly for prep?
post #1973 of 3304
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Originally Posted by dioxholster View Post

for a slight image retention, should one use D-nice slides or scrolling bar? or is it just strictly for prep?
For me the slides seem to work better than the scrolling bar.
post #1974 of 3304
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Originally Posted by maseline_98 View Post

Noticed when I started running the slides that it seems like they all do not stay on the screen an equal amount og time....it seemed like the red green blue came off more quickly...it may be my mind playing games with me but it just seemed that way...

Nevermind....I threw a stop watch on them and they were all staying on the screen for 15 seconds. I just wasn't paying close enough attention. The lighter slides are closer in color and didn't notice that the slide changed until I calculated the time.
post #1975 of 3304
Would like some help please.

I have a two week old ST60 and the only fault I can find is audio lag using OTA into antenna in on the TV and the built in speakers. This is across all 6 channels that I receive and is worse on some than others. Hd channels being broadcast from Omaha.


Anyone have any suggestions as to a fix or settings that could effect this. Its my only issue but I cant get over the out of sync lips when people are talking, so I may have to send it back which would be a real pain.
post #1976 of 3304
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Originally Posted by cfi on the fly View Post

Would like some help please.

I have a two week old ST60 and the only fault I can find is audio lag using OTA into antenna in on the TV and the built in speakers. This is across all 6 channels that I receive and is worse on some than others. Hd channels being broadcast from Omaha.


Anyone have any suggestions as to a fix or settings that could effect this. Its my only issue but I cant get over the out of sync lips when people are talking, so I may have to send it back which would be a real pain.
There ar no settings that I am aware of since thats never supposed to happen. Return it.
post #1977 of 3304
So after having burn-in on last years VT-50, and returning this years VT-60 due to fan noise - picked up a ST-60 instead. Ran D-nice's prep slides for 100 hours, and plugged in his settings. My room has 100% light control.

This TV looks spectacular. I would be hard pressed to tell someone to buy the VT or ZT series over this set at this point considering the fan noise in particular. The VT and ZT do look a bit nicer with the Flat glass, which looks a bit more upscale.

That said, this set after plugging those settings in is just outstanding. I have the 65 inch and it's just a great set, and so much more quiet than the VT was. I never tried the "fix" for the fan noise, as the service rep that came to my house was completely clueless and scared the heck out of me. So, just returned it, saved $700 bucks and can honestly say I'm really happy with the ST60.
post #1978 of 3304
Is are these settings ok to use on a TC-65PS64 ?
post #1979 of 3304
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Format it on a PC if possible. MACs are known to add hidden files... not sure how to get around it (don't have a MAC).

Yes MACs add hidden files to each jpg image file.

There are at least a few different methods to edit these files out on a MAC without having to resort to using a PC

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1461177/official-panasonic-s60-series-discussion-thread/2670

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1232441/the-official-2010-panasonic-settings-issues-thread/510#post_18704800
post #1980 of 3304
Woot! New 50ST60 running slides!! Very exciting, indeed. 98.5 hours to go.

Been reading this forum for several weeks, deciding on a model and researching proper set-up, break-in, calibration, etc. Y'all are the greatest! Thanks for the help

-Gabe.
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