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post #2011 of 3315
I noticed when you watch trailers and you have the Green tv rating screen on with the white text ex Rated PG or whatever I see what looks like thing horizontal lines going from about mid screen some lines are a little thicker and some are a little thinner its clearly visible but not with content. Is this line bleed? When is this defect considered bad as to replace the set. My tv is only 20 some hours old. It possibly might not be a defect I am not sure how to judge as to what would be considered bad and "normal". It is not visible with normal content, ei. blu-rays etc. I haven't check to see if it's visible with a full green screen say a full field color pattern.
post #2012 of 3315
^Not visible with normal content means it's behaving normally. Try some full-color slides if you want to allay your doubt even further.
post #2013 of 3315
If anyone is confused by the +6 value that D-Nice uses in his Brightness setting for the VT60 posted at
http://www.calibrationforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939, don't be since this value is correct. The Brightness and 10 Point controls are used together to obtain the proper black level.

Some members have stated that any value of Brightness other than zero is an indication of an incorrect calibration or an improperly functioning meter. That is simply wrong.

Larry
post #2014 of 3315
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

If anyone is confused by the +6 value that D-Nice uses in his Brightness setting for the VT60 posted at
http://www.calibrationforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939, don't be since this value is correct. The Brightness and 10 Point controls are used together to obtain the proper black level.

Some members have stated that any value of Brightness other than zero is an indication of an incorrect calibration or an improperly functioning meter. That is simply wrong.

Larry

interesting, i havent calibrated, just simple settings and i have it at contrast 74 and brightness +4. is it supposed to be zero? Im talking full cinema mode. its too late for me to do the slides, but when i first had the tv, i had eco mode on, which dynamically changes brightness or contrast not sure depending on how much light there is in the room. Would that create uneven phosphors?
post #2015 of 3315
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Originally Posted by dioxholster View Post

interesting, i havent calibrated, just simple settings and i have it at contrast 74 and brightness +4. is it supposed to be zero? Im talking full cinema mode.

No, it is not supposed to be zero. It should be whatever value yields the proper black level visually using a calibration disk. A meter is not at all required to set the black level.

Larry
post #2016 of 3315
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Originally Posted by ArcticGabe View Post

Woot! New 50ST60 running slides!! Very exciting, indeed. 98.5 hours to go.

Been reading this forum for several weeks, deciding on a model and researching proper set-up, break-in, calibration, etc. Y'all are the greatest! Thanks for the help

-Gabe.

I hear ya, Gabe! Been running the slides on my 60ST60 for about 50 hours now... after also reading this forum for a number of months. I watched just a little bit of OTA HD TV on the various settings it looks pretty darn good right out of the box! biggrin.gif
post #2017 of 3315
Been using this TV for almost 2 months now and I was wondering if it was safe to use D-Nice's setting without the panel prepping? Should I run the panel prep and then do the settings or should I just look for other settings to use?
post #2018 of 3315
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

If anyone is confused by the +6 value that D-Nice uses in his Brightness setting for the VT60 posted at
http://www.calibrationforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939, don't be since this value is correct. The Brightness and 10 Point controls are used together to obtain the proper black level.

Some members have stated that any value of Brightness other than zero is an indication of an incorrect calibration or an improperly functioning meter. That is simply wrong.

Larry

My ST60 is at +4. I see a lot people setting their ST's at 0, because they think it should be at 0. Contrast, WB, & gamma greatly effect where you set the brightness on my panel.
post #2019 of 3315
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Originally Posted by beardown15 View Post

Been using this TV for almost 2 months now and I was wondering if it was safe to use D-Nice's setting without the panel prepping? Should I run the panel prep and then do the settings or should I just look for other settings to use?

Sure you can use those settings.

ss
post #2020 of 3315
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Originally Posted by beardown15 View Post

Been using this TV for almost 2 months now and I was wondering if it was safe to use D-Nice's setting without the panel prepping? Should I run the panel prep and then do the settings or should I just look for other settings to use?

It's completely harmless. You can use whatever settings you want. The idea behind running slides is taking the same make & model & running the same material through them & then applying the same settings. If there was a 10% difference in those two panels to begin with, it just might lower that difference somewhat. Not all panels are the same. Now if you run different material through two panels then apply the same settings, it might have less effect as if you were running the same material.
post #2021 of 3315
Thanks guys.
post #2022 of 3315
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

It's completely harmless. You can use whatever settings you want. The idea behind running slides is taking the same make & model & running the same material through them & then applying the same settings. If there was a 10% difference in those two panels to begin with, it just might lower that difference somewhat. Not all panels are the same. Now if you run different material through two panels then apply the same settings, it might have less effect as if you were running the same material.

Do you have any proof of that to back up what you are saying.?? I would be interested in seeing that.

ss
post #2023 of 3315
Out of curiosity, I just did a few calibration runs on my 65VT60 to compare the grayscale performance of the THX Cinema mode with that of copying the D-Nice (#2) settings to a Professional mode.

THX Cinema


D-Nice settings



My 60VT60 in the bedroom only has about 60-70 hours on it so that unit will have to wait a while. THX Cinema on it is impressive though.

Larry
post #2024 of 3315
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Do you have any proof of that to back up what you are saying.?? I would be interested in seeing that.

ss
No, it's the internet. Anything goes. Why else run slide for 100 hours & then plug-in settings that were derived from another panel?
post #2025 of 3315
What color temp were you running when you took these readings Larry?
post #2026 of 3315
I downloaded these slides D-Nice posted up on the first post. However, when I copy the 12 slides onto a USB and put it in my TV. I have a 65PS64, I get 24 slides. The 12 are the color slides and another 12 are not readable. When I put the USB back into my iMac I only see 12 color images. Anyone have any idea as to what is happening?

Using the settings and slides on this model should be fine correct?

Thanks in advance.
post #2027 of 3315
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

If anyone is confused by the +6 value that D-Nice uses in his Brightness setting for the VT60 posted at
http://www.calibrationforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939, don't be since this value is correct. The Brightness and 10 Point controls are used together to obtain the proper black level.

Some members have stated that any value of Brightness other than zero is an indication of an incorrect calibration or an improperly functioning meter. That is simply wrong.

Larry

Are the slides on Post#2 the same from the link? I would assume they would be, but everybody knows what "assume" means....
post #2028 of 3315
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

****UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD THESE SETTINGS BE USED WITH ANY OTHER SOURCE MATERIAL BEYOND THE PANEL PREP USB/SD CARD FILES****

Recommended 100 Hour Panel Prep Settings for North American Panasonic TC-PxxS60/ST60/VT60/ZT60 models (ONLY to be used with USB/SD Card Files attached below!!!!!!!!)

*****Note: This procedure is designed to prepare your display for the reference settings listed for each 2013 North American Panasonic model below by aging all pixels equally with the same content. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used as Break-in, Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention.*****

Photo Settings

Picture Mode: Custom
***Leave all settings at their default***

Slideshow Settings

Frame: Off
Photo Effect: Off
Transition Effect: Off
Photo Size: Normal
Burst Playback: Off
Display Interval: Long
Repeat Playback: On

Panel Prep Slides:
2013_Panel_Prep_Slides.zip 4k .zip file

if I want to use the slides to remove IR, do I use them exactly as noted above? in terms of slideshow and picture settings?
post #2029 of 3315
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Originally Posted by maseline_98 View Post

Are the slides on Post#2 the same from the link? I would assume they would be, but everybody knows what "assume" means....
Yes
post #2030 of 3315
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

if I want to use the slides to remove IR, do I use them exactly as noted above? in terms of slideshow and picture settings?
You can use any picture mode settings you want but use the same slideshow settings.
post #2031 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Espnetboy3 View Post

I downloaded these slides D-Nice posted up on the first post. However, when I copy the 12 slides onto a USB and put it in my TV. I have a 65PS64, I get 24 slides. The 12 are the color slides and another 12 are not readable. When I put the USB back into my iMac I only see 12 color images. Anyone have any idea as to what is happening?

Using the settings and slides on this model should be fine correct?

Thanks in advance.
Yes, you can use the slides on the S64.
It is a common problem on a MAC that the slides are duplicated. You have to delete every other one.
post #2032 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You can use any picture mode settings you want but use the same slideshow settings.

thanks, I thought so
post #2033 of 3315
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

thanks, I thought so

Picture Mode: Custom
***Leave all settings at their default***

What's this say??? These slides are meant to be run in the Custom mode at their default settings. Could anything be moree clearer?
post #2034 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Robin Bombard View Post

Picture Mode: Custom
***Leave all settings at their default***

What's this say??? These slides are meant to be run in the Custom mode at their default settings. Could anything be moree clearer?
Yes. It could be more clear. Read his post again.
post #2035 of 3315
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Originally Posted by fcb View Post

What color temp were you running when you took these readings Larry?

Warm2
post #2036 of 3315
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Originally Posted by maseline_98 View Post

Are the slides on Post#2 the same from the link? I would assume they would be, but everybody knows what "assume" means....

They are the same.

Larry
post #2037 of 3315
For more comparisons between the THX Cinema default mode and using D-Nice's settings on my 65VT60, here are a few more graphs.

THX Cinema gamma point


D-Nice gamma point


THX CIE gamut


D-Nice gamut




Oh yeah, my 60VT60 only has 44 hours on it so it will be a while longer until I can compare my two units.


Larry
Edited by LarryInRI - 11/4/13 at 2:38pm
post #2038 of 3315
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I've noticed something like this...I'd say typical, possibly phosphor-trail related.

i intially turned scrolling bar for IR but i left it for longer like 40 min exactly because of those green pixels. in my mind i thought the scrolling bar would fix it or something as i didnt know what they were.
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

No, it is not supposed to be zero. It should be whatever value yields the proper black level visually using a calibration disk. A meter is not at all required to set the black level.

Larry

im a noob at this, how can one test black levels? I do have the AVSHD 709 thing but it needs equipment i think and im not sure what im supposed to do.
post #2039 of 3315
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Originally Posted by dioxholster View Post

i intially turned scrolling bar for IR but i left it for longer like 40 min exactly because of those green pixels. in my mind i thought the scrolling bar would fix it or something as i didnt know what they were.
im a noob at this, how can one test black levels? I do have the AVSHD 709 thing but it needs equipment i think and im not sure what im supposed to do.

Use the screen that has the flashing bars. I think it's under the basic settings menu. No meter is needed. Set the Brightness until bars 17 and up flash. Bar 16 should be black and 17 should barely show.

See page three here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8968806/Patterns-Manual.pdf

Larry
Edited by LarryInRI - 11/4/13 at 4:38pm
post #2040 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Yes, you can use the slides on the S64.
It is a common problem on a MAC that the slides are duplicated. You have to delete every other one.
Bond, so there are only 6 picture slides? Not 12? All I see on my USB when in my computer are 12 image slides.
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