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post #2821 of 3317
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For those running the slides still or can remember, when the bright slides (white/red) came up did the buzz become pretty audible? I'm just curious if the buzz I have is awkward or not. Wen the white slide comes up it buzzes pretty loud but also could be room dimensions and placement of the TV since it's near the wall. I remember my KURO buzzing loud in my room but once moved to a bigger
Environment like the living room
It was a non issue

I didn't find moving either of the two 50ST60s or one S60 I had in my house away from the wall helped any. Taking the backs off didn't help any. Tightening screws internal and external didn't help any, and the internal ones all had the washers that were absent from an earlier series. I couldn't feel any components vibrating or locate any with cracked housing.

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Yes, that is normal. Who cares what the TV sounds like with slides on anyway.

The bright slides are a predictor of what the TV will sound like when displaying high APL scenes. If you hear buzzing during the bright slides, you will hear it when high APL scenes coincide with similar levels of background quietness. For me, that's been rare enough that buzzing has been a minor issue when actually watching TV. I notice the rainbow effect and line bleed far more regularly than I notice buzzing. For all the plasma issues, for me it's still better than the poor black levels and uniformity of LCD and the blooming that affects the local dimming feature designed to mitigate those issues.
post #2822 of 3317
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

I didn't find moving either of the two 50ST60s or one S60 I had in my house away from the wall helped any. Taking the backs off didn't help any. Tightening screws internal and external didn't help any, and the internal ones all had the washers that were absent from an earlier series. I couldn't feel any components vibrating or locate any with cracked housing.
The bright slides are a predictor of what the TV will sound like when displaying high APL scenes. If you hear buzzing during the bright slides, you will hear it when high APL scenes coincide with similar levels of background quietness. For me, that's been rare enough that buzzing has been a minor issue when actually watching TV. I notice the rainbow effect and line bleed far more regularly than I notice buzzing. For all the plasma issues, for me it's still better than the poor black levels and uniformity of LCD and the blooming that affects the local dimming feature designed to mitigate those issues.
I have yet to hear any buzzing while watching content that would even be close to what I hear on a pure white slide. In addition, when people run slides they usually have the contrast turned all the way up along with everything else that can add to the output. Much different then a watching situation.
post #2823 of 3317
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I have yet to hear any buzzing while watching content that would even be close to what I hear on a pure white slide. In addition, when people run slides they usually have the contrast turned all the way up along with everything else that can add to the output. Much different then a watching situation.

Yes, Contrast has to be the same for it to be comparable. I use Contrast 67 in Custom mode on my 50ST60, BTW, which I believe is lower than most use. I can think of numerous scenes in real material where the buzzing is easily audible in a quiet room at 10 feet at that Contrast setting, which is also true for a white screen at that Contrast setting, and it was like that on all three TVs I mentioned. It is typically not as loud, as few scenes are pure white, but if you don't have to strain to hear buzzing during slides at that distance, my experience is that you will hear it when "high APL scenes coincide with similar levels of background quietness," like I said. To expand on that, the environment has to be quiet, and the background noise level in the material has to be low. Lulls in conversation when there is little to no background music is a typical example of the latter. Also like I said, "For me, that's been rare enough that buzzing has been a minor issue when actually watching TV." I totally disagree with the idea that "buzzing during slides can be disregarded," and my point was, if the guy is concerned about buzzing during slides, he should try some high APL real material and see how bad it is with it.
post #2824 of 3317
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

Yes, Contrast has to be the same for it to be comparable. I use Contrast 67 in Custom mode on my 50ST60, BTW, which I believe is lower than most use. I can think of numerous scenes in real material where the buzzing is easily audible in a quiet room at 10 feet at that Contrast setting, which is also true for a white screen at that Contrast setting, and it was like that on all three TVs I mentioned. It is typically not as loud, as few scenes are pure white, but if you don't have to strain to hear buzzing during slides at that distance, my experience is that you will hear it when "high APL scenes coincide with similar levels of background quietness," like I said. To expand on that, the environment has to be quiet, and the background noise level in the material has to be low. Lulls in conversation when there is little to no background music is a typical example of the latter. Also like I said, "For me, that's been rare enough that buzzing has been a minor issue when actually watching TV." I totally disagree with the idea that "buzzing during slides can be disregarded," and my point was, if the guy is concerned about buzzing during slides, he should try some high APL real material and see how bad it is with it.

I just had my 50ST60 calibrated today and my contrast is set at 50, brightness +6. Some kinda difference from the 81 contrast 0 brightness that I have been use to for the last nine months so there's definitely an acclimation period for me. biggrin.gif
post #2825 of 3317
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Originally Posted by Robin Bombard View Post

I just had my 50ST60 calibrated today and my contrast is set at 50, brightness +6. Some kinda difference from the 81 contrast 0 brightness that I have been use to for the last nine months so there's definitely an acclimation period for me. biggrin.gif
50? Did you ask what the achieved light output measurement was? Just guessing, that has to be in the teens.
post #2826 of 3317
Is there a before/after report PDF?
post #2827 of 3317
Is it possible for a samsung f5500 to destroy the st60 in pq?? My buddy just hooked his Samsung up and it destroys my st60 when viewing cable..we have the same provider and same box. . And he is using component cables!!!

Is this possible?
post #2828 of 3317
PQ can be very objective, especially in different rooms with different viewing material without the TVs side by side.

In what way is the f5500 "destroying" your ST60? Color? Vividness? Sharpness? Deep blacks, shadow detail? Does his seem more accurate/natural than yours, or more vibrant/vivid? And what settings/picture mode is he using compared to your TV?
post #2829 of 3317
I know its subjective

The clarity and sharpness. Watching cable to me is baf on my tv even hd..some ate ok..but mostly for sports it breaks up and isnt very clear. His is pristine. We both have the same cable box and provider.

I put in dnices settings. Im just mystified by the diffetence in cable.

Also the st60 has brutal IR. I can get stubbornIR with only seconds on a logo when first watching the tv.

I guess im just bummed at the difference. Wehave had logos on his samsung now for 2 hours and not a hint of IR and his is brand new. If I leave the netflix logo on fo
r 20 seconds I get IR. .what gives
post #2830 of 3317
First, reset your settings to get rid of the D-Nice stuff. There's no need for that, and from the sounds of it, the settings are probably making your TV look worse.
Do default settings in Cinema or Custom, with the enhancements turned off, Brightness to 0 or +1, Contrast to 80, and Panel Brightness set to Mid.

Watching cable at different times, channels, etc. can lead to different quality feeds or different amounts of compression in the signal so that is apples and oranges.
I suggest hitting the INFO button on the TV remote to make sure you are getting an HD signal from the cable box. If you set the cable box to "pass through" then the box will send along the 720p / 1080i signal without converting it. Or sometimes the box is sending 480p on accident.

Your friend may have some of enhancements turned on, and he definitely has very different picture settings. He may even have sharpness turned way up so it's artificially sharp. Who knows, he could be running Vivid or some mode with everything cranked up, making it look artificial.
Without putting them side by side fed by the same cable box, there's no way of telling for sure.

Part of it may be that you personally prefer the look of the other TV/technology. Plasma, when set up correctly, is very clear, very natural, and has amazingly accurate color and depth reproduction. If you are drawn to a brighter or punchier picture, that could be part of the difference. I think a lot of it, though, is settings on your TV/cable box, and possible issues with compression on your feed.



When you first turn the TV on, it's more prone to short term (very short) IR. It takes a few minutes to warm up.
There shouldn't be IR on the Netflix logo after just 20 seconds, if the TV has been on for a while. You contrast shouldn't be higher than the low 80s.
It goes away very quickly so don't look for it. If you are worried, though, turn your contrast down to 70~75 (and turn your Brightness up one notch).

I can watch NFL games with no IR issues, since the on-screen stuff goes away during replays and other things, and there are regular commercial breaks. IR is a natural risk of owning a plasma, but you can take care and take precautions. If you aren't abusing your TV, you shouldn't be having major or long-term problems. And if you are, you may have a bad panel.
post #2831 of 3317
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50? Did you ask what the achieved light output measurement was? Just guessing, that has to be in the teens.

Yes he did mention it but I don't remember the exact number. Jim did mention I had a higher light output than my old Sony XBR CRT that he had calibrated twice in the past and I'm in agreement with that. Jim did take readings of a raised contrast at 60 and 70 with 60 not being that far off from accurate and he also mentioned that I was free to adjust to taste after he left, especially for live sports which had been my main concern. There was no PDF as it would have been all greek to me anyways but he took me through all that he was doing on his laptop.

But I will say this, for movies, these settings are spot-on with pictures I'd expect to see at the cinema theaters. And the 3D picture is sweet indeed, enough so that I'd like to get a Blu-Ray so I can start renting 3D movies. I could have cared less before having the Panny's 3D mode calibrated. I can also see why Darbee owners with an accurate calibration sell them as they add features over the director's intentions. That said, I'll be keeping mine but I have lowered the HD processing from 60 to 40. smile.gif
post #2832 of 3317
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

50? Did you ask what the achieved light output measurement was? Just guessing, that has to be in the teens.

For my 50ST60, I just measured 24 fL with my i1D3 on a 5% white window for Contrast 50.

My 67 Contrast gives me 35 fL on a 5% window. For an 18% window, I get 29. For Calman's Constant APL 50, I get 32. For a Family Guy couch scene, Peter's white shirt (RGB 233) gives me 30. I watch in a dark room just about exclusively. I don't know if I'd want less light output, but the reduced rainbow effect and buzzing on high APL scenes would be nice. smile.gif
post #2833 of 3317
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Originally Posted by cyberbri View Post

First, reset your settings to get rid of the D-Nice stuff. There's no need for that, and from the sounds of it, the settings are probably making your TV look worse.
Do default settings in Cinema or Custom, with the enhancements turned off, Brightness to 0 or +1, Contrast to 80, and Panel Brightness set to Mid.

Watching cable at different times, channels, etc. can lead to different quality feeds or different amounts of compression in the signal so that is apples and oranges.
I suggest hitting the INFO button on the TV remote to make sure you are getting an HD signal from the cable box. If you set the cable box to "pass through" then the box will send along the 720p / 1080i signal without converting it. Or sometimes the box is sending 480p on accident.

Your friend may have some of enhancements turned on, and he definitely has very different picture settings. He may even have sharpness turned way up so it's artificially sharp. Who knows, he could be running Vivid or some mode with everything cranked up, making it look artificial.
Without putting them side by side fed by the same cable box, there's no way of telling for sure.

Part of it may be that you personally prefer the look of the other TV/technology. Plasma, when set up correctly, is very clear, very natural, and has amazingly accurate color and depth reproduction. If you are drawn to a brighter or punchier picture, that could be part of the difference. I think a lot of it, though, is settings on your TV/cable box, and possible issues with compression on your feed.



When you first turn the TV on, it's more prone to short term (very short) IR. It takes a few minutes to warm up.
There shouldn't be IR on the Netflix logo after just 20 seconds, if the TV has been on for a while. You contrast shouldn't be higher than the low 80s.
It goes away very quickly so don't look for it. If you are worried, though, turn your contrast down to 70~75 (and turn your Brightness up one notch).

I can watch NFL games with no IR issues, since the on-screen stuff goes away during replays and other things, and there are regular commercial breaks. IR is a natural risk of owning a plasma, but you can take care and take precautions. If you aren't abusing your TV, you shouldn't be having major or long-term problems. And if you are, you may have a bad panel.

Thanks for the respone

Contrast is 79..brightness is 1...sharpness is 0.

Im getting 1080i from the cable box.

You are right...it is hard to compare. I see much less grain or dithering on his set..but again it could be settings.

I am not a fan of torch mode so I like a dimmer picture.

Anyway im just really shocked. I even turned his settings for contrast brightness and sharpness to nine and his still looked so much better.
Any suggestions on trying to improve mine.

I have broken mine in with slides and right now I have dnices settings in there...so you are thinking that might be csusing the softness?

I definitely prefer plasma. His just looks better.
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I have the same problem with my 55" S60 Dave. This tv is horrible for sports. I've seen 7-8 yea rold 720p Plasma sets that pop and look awesome for football,hockey....etc. Looks like your there. Mine looks slightly better than sd. I checked my cable box settings, and I'm getting 1080i. I didn't have Dnice's settings but the other guys at the start of the S60 thread's. Like you Blu-Ray looks amazing, and shows like cartoons that are new like Gumball/Regular show etc look amazing on cable. Most shows look good as well,but still not as good as I've seen lesser sets. But when it comes to sports I'm beyond disappointed. I even found the 55 inch S60 for only 785 right before Xmas at ABC warehouse and was ecstatic after reading all the posts and reviews on it. Now I wish I had spent a few hundred more and gone in a different direction.

 

I have WOW cable and am using an HDMI connection. I'm starting to wonder if a component connection may be better. My buddy works fro WOW and says he sets customers up with it instead because the connection is more stable. By the nature of how the connections are designed I would agree....but still you should be alright with HDMI. He hasn't been able to stop by yet to check everything out. My HD on cable just doesn't "Pop", and when I get within 3-4 feet of it it just looks undefined/blurry. Like I said, I've seen more impressive HD on crappy Walmart Vizio's that go for 500 bucks. What am I missing here? The crispness and clarity of HD is not there. Is it my cable box? Compression of the cable signal? I know it's not the Tv because of how it looks with blu ray as the source. Not feeling like 800 spent well right now to say the least :(

post #2835 of 3317
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Originally Posted by davemsc View Post

I know its subjective

The clarity and sharpness. Watching cable to me is baf on my tv even hd..some ate ok..but mostly for sports it breaks up and isnt very clear. His is pristine. We both have the same cable box and provider.
Having the same provider and the same box does NOT mean that you have the same quality signal. All kinds of problems can degrade your signal. Have your cable company check your signal strength. Unfortunately, cable companies are not very good at that sort of thing.
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I put in dnices settings. Im just mystified by the diffetence in cable.
It's your source, not your TV. How do Blu-ray movies look on your set? How do they look on your friend's set? Look for things like natural skin tone.

UPDATE: The advise that cyberbri is giving you is good, but his position on D-Nice's settings is probably too strong. There is no reason to not try cyberbri's suggestions about settings, but there is a reasonable chance that what you're seeing isn't related to D-Nice's settings if they have been correctly entered.
Edited by htwaits - 1/25/14 at 6:10pm
post #2836 of 3317
I know you cant direcrly compare them but it is hard to believe that there is such a difference in the quality. The st60 is softer watching cable in my experience. Blu rays are similar but I see waaay more grain and/or dithering on my st60.
Just scratching my head..I have to be missing something
post #2837 of 3317
Does the higher input lag on the st60 have any effect on the speed which it deals with hd cable signals?
post #2838 of 3317
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Originally Posted by Classico79 View Post

I have the same problem with my 55" S60 Dave. This tv is horrible for sports. I've seen 7-8 yea rold 720p Plasma sets that pop and look awesome for football,hockey....etc. Looks like your there. Mine looks slightly better than sd. I checked my cable box settings, and I'm getting 1080i. I didn't have Dnice's settings but the other guys at the start of the S60 thread's. Like you Blu-Ray looks amazing, and shows like cartoons that are new like Gumball/Regular show etc look amazing on cable. Most shows look good as well,but still not as good as I've seen lesser sets. But when it comes to sports I'm beyond disappointed. I even found the 55 inch S60 for only 785 right before Xmas at ABC warehouse and was ecstatic after reading all the posts and reviews on it. Now I wish I had spent a few hundred more and gone in a different direction.

I have WOW cable and am using an HDMI connection. I'm starting to wonder if a component connection may be better. My buddy works fro WOW and says he sets customers up with it instead because the connection is more stable. By the nature of how the connections are designed I would agree....but still you should be alright with HDMI. He hasn't been able to stop by yet to check everything out. My HD on cable just doesn't "Pop", and when I get within 3-4 feet of it it just looks undefined/blurry. Like I said, I've seen more impressive HD on crappy Walmart Vizio's that go for 500 bucks. What am I missing here? The crispness and clarity of HD is not there. Is it my cable box? Compression of the cable signal? I know it's not the Tv because of how it looks with blu ray as the source. Not feeling like 800 spent well right now to say the least frown.gif

My experience is the exact opposite, this is one of the best tvs I have ever seen for sports even surpassing my VT50 from last year. It is the source plain and simple
post #2839 of 3317
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My experience is the exact opposite, this is one of the best tvs I have ever seen for sports even surpassing my VT50 from last year. It is the source plain and simple

Agreed
post #2840 of 3317
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Thanks for the respone

Contrast is 79..brightness is 1...sharpness is 0.

Im getting 1080i from the cable box.

You are right...it is hard to compare. I see much less grain or dithering on his set..but again it could be settings.

I am not a fan of torch mode so I like a dimmer picture.

Anyway im just really shocked. I even turned his settings for contrast brightness and sharpness to nine and his still looked so much better.
Any suggestions on trying to improve mine.

I have broken mine in with slides and right now I have dnices settings in there...so you are thinking that might be csusing the softness?

I definitely prefer plasma. His just looks better.

 

FWIW, my 65ST60 looked like total crap with Dnice's settings (nothing at all against him just didn't work on my tv). I would start by losing those. I have tweaked the home theater settings for now and am pretty happy. Might help with your ir issue to. Sports look fantastic on mine.

 

Mode Home Theater

contrast 70

brightness 0

color 48

tint 0

sharpness 7

color temp normal

everything else set to off

pixel orbiter auto

 

Try this simple change and see if that doesn't look a lot better than what you had. And while I have zero experience compared to some of these guys giving you advise I would say your source has to be a major contributor to the problems you're having unless you got a bad panel. Like at least one of them suggested, try a blu-ray and see how it looks. You could also simply try OTA signal with an antenna and easily compare that to cable.


Edited by CatchersDad - 1/26/14 at 7:45am
post #2841 of 3317
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post


My experience is the exact opposite, this is one of the best tvs I have ever seen for sports even surpassing my VT50 from last year. It is the source plain and simple

 

That's what my guess is. I'll have the signal checked out and might have to switch out the HDMI connection. I did find a solution to make it more bearable though. I found if I watch cable and specifically sports in Vivid mode with sharpness all the way down to zero everything looks better. Before I had it in Custom based off of the thread creator of the "official S60 thread" settings. Obviously when you get closer to a television set it's going to look worse, but it seems like anything below 6 feet the detail looks slightly better than SD and I can see(I suppose it's dithering?? around like how Dave mentioned on channels like ESPN their ticker and text). I can see like movement of pixels or even like a grayish outline on most text. Other HD sets I can stand right on it and I still get better definition from the set I guess is whats irking me. Before I switched to Vivid i could see a light snow storm effect in the blacks of the WOW cable screens. With it on Vivid it's now gone for the most part, but I have a 5 year old Panasonic 720P upstairs and it never had that problem. At this point it almost has to be my signal or connection. From eight feet away(where our couch is situated) it looks almost perfect, but it feels strange that I have to be exactly 8-9 feet away from only a 55 inch set to see what most consider a quality HD signal.

post #2842 of 3317
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Originally Posted by Classico79 View Post

That's what my guess is. I'll have the signal checked out and might have to switch out the HDMI connection. I did find a solution to make it more bearable though. I found if I watch cable and specifically sports in Vivid mode with sharpness all the way down to zero everything looks better. Before I had it in Custom based off of the thread creator of the "official S60 thread" settings. Obviously when you get closer to a television set it's going to look worse, but it seems like anything below 6 feet the detail looks slightly better than SD and I can see(I suppose it's dithering?? around like how Dave mentioned on channels like ESPN their ticker and text). I can see like movement of pixels or even like a grayish outline on most text. Other HD sets I can stand right on it and I still get better definition from the set I guess is whats irking me. Before I switched to Vivid i could see a light snow storm effect in the blacks of the WOW cable screens. With it on Vivid it's now gone for the most part, but I have a 5 year old Panasonic 720P upstairs and it never had that problem. At this point it almost has to be my signal or connection. From eight feet away(where our couch is situated) it looks almost perfect, but it feels strange that I have to be exactly 8-9 feet away from only a 55 inch set to see what most consider a quality HD signal.

I use the Cinema mode with CNETS settings, but I changed the color temp to warm 1 and the panel brightness to mid after the initial break-in. Football and basketball look absolutely stunning as well as most BD's. Watched The Lone Ranger last week and the PQ was jaw dropping.


Ian
post #2843 of 3317
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Originally Posted by Classico79 View Post

That's what my guess is. I'll have the signal checked out and might have to switch out the HDMI connection. I did find a solution to make it more bearable though. I found if I watch cable and specifically sports in Vivid mode with sharpness all the way down to zero everything looks better. Before I had it in Custom based off of the thread creator of the "official S60 thread" settings. Obviously when you get closer to a television set it's going to look worse, but it seems like anything below 6 feet the detail looks slightly better than SD and I can see(I suppose it's dithering?? around like how Dave mentioned on channels like ESPN their ticker and text). I can see like movement of pixels or even like a grayish outline on most text. Other HD sets I can stand right on it and I still get better definition from the set I guess is whats irking me. Before I switched to Vivid i could see a light snow storm effect in the blacks of the WOW cable screens. With it on Vivid it's now gone for the most part, but I have a 5 year old Panasonic 720P upstairs and it never had that problem. At this point it almost has to be my signal or connection. From eight feet away(where our couch is situated) it looks almost perfect, but it feels strange that I have to be exactly 8-9 feet away from only a 55 inch set to see what most consider a quality HD signal.

Vivid is the worst setting to use on a plasma, like others have said, it must be the source. See this link as it refers to optimum seating distance from a 55". It is not strange it is recommended.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Article/How-Far-Should-I-Sit.php
post #2844 of 3317
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Originally Posted by Classico79 View Post

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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

My experience is the exact opposite, this is one of the best tvs I have ever seen for sports even surpassing my VT50 from last year. It is the source plain and simple

That's what my guess is. I'll have the signal checked out and might have to switch out the HDMI connection. I did find a solution to make it more bearable though. I found if I watch cable and specifically sports in Vivid mode with sharpness all the way down to zero everything looks better. Before I had it in Custom based off of the thread creator of the "official S60 thread" settings. Obviously when you get closer to a television set it's going to look worse, but it seems like anything below 6 feet the detail looks slightly better than SD and I can see(I suppose it's dithering?? around like how Dave mentioned on channels like ESPN their ticker and text). I can see like movement of pixels or even like a grayish outline on most text. Other HD sets I can stand right on it and I still get better definition from the set I guess is whats irking me. Before I switched to Vivid i could see a light snow storm effect in the blacks of the WOW cable screens. With it on Vivid it's now gone for the most part, but I have a 5 year old Panasonic 720P upstairs and it never had that problem. At this point it almost has to be my signal or connection. From eight feet away(where our couch is situated) it looks almost perfect, but it feels strange that I have to be exactly 8-9 feet away from only a 55 inch set to see what most consider a quality HD signal.

Plasma creates picture different than LCD. You will see dancing grain and dithering if you get too close. That being said, if a true 100% black area is showing dancing pixels, lower the Brightness setting (minimum black) until they go away.
Make sure your Panel Brightness setting is at Mid, "Black Level" is set to Light, and HDMI range is 16-235. If you are up for it, post all of your settings so we can see if there's another issue somewhere.


Picture
Picture Mode:
Contrast:
Brightness:
Color:
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Warm2
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off


Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

W/B Detail Adjustment
--> Should all be default/0

(W/B) More Detail Adjustment
--> Should all be default/0

Color Detail Adjustment
--> Should all be default/0

Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma:

(Gamma) More Detail Adjustment
--> Should all be default/0

Advance Picture
3:2 PullDown: Auto

HDMI Content Type
***Leave settings in this menu at their default***

HDMI/DVI RGB Range
***Leave settings in this menu at their default***

Black Level: Light
post #2845 of 3317
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Originally Posted by Classico79 View Post

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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

My experience is the exact opposite, this is one of the best tvs I have ever seen for sports even surpassing my VT50 from last year. It is the source plain and simple

That's what my guess is. I'll have the signal checked out and might have to switch out the HDMI connection.
You've gotten a lot of good advise. All I want to say is there doesn't seem to be anything about your problem that would indicate that HDMI is part of the problem. On the chance I've missed some of your problem description, I'll add that digital problems (HDMI) do not result in gradual picture quality degrading. They generally come in the form of sparkles over the whole screen, image with blocks or lost images. There are also rare situations where the set receiving the HDMI signal may have temporary problems processing certain resolutions. Here is an example that shouldn't be related to your problem.
post #2846 of 3317
Sorry I can't post any more settings in my VT60 setting post, so I am adding this post in my link also.


Picture Mode: Custom Mode
Contrast: 86
Brightness:+2
Color: 48
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Normal
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off


Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Rec.709 or Native (I use Native for my large LUT's)

W/B Detail Adjustment
W/B High R:-1
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B:-17
W/B Low R: +2
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: -2

(W/B) More Detail Adjustment
10 W/B R:+5
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B:+25

20 W/B R:-4
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B:-3

30 W/B R:+1
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B:-6

40 W/B R:+1
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B:+2

50 W/B R:-6
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B:-7

60 W/B R -3
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B:-2

70 W/B R:-5
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B:-7

80 W/B R:+1
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B:+3

90 W/B R:-3
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B -1

100 W/B R: 0
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B:+3

Used a LUT profile 21^3,
If you have eecolor box I can E-mail the LUT for these setiings
[/COLOR]

Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma: 2.4
(Gamma) More Detail Adjustment
10 Gain: 0
20 Gain: 0
30 Gain: 0
40 Gain: 0
50 Gain: 0
60 Gain: 0
70 Gain: 0
80 Gain: 0
90 Gain: 0
100 Gain:0

Advance Picture
Game mode: Off
24p Direct in 96Hz :Note you must be sending your VT60 a 24p signal (Blu Ray disc playing) to be able to set this setting.
3:2 PullDown: Auto

HDMI Content Type and auto detailing.
Off

HDMI/DVI RGB Range
Standard (16-235)

Black Level: Light

Screen format, Full
Overscan, Off
H Size, 1
Screen display, On
4:3 side bars Off (for Blu Ray disc)
Pixel orbiter, Auto

ss
post #2847 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Sorry I can't post any more settings in my VT60 setting post, so I am adding this post in my link also.


Picture Mode: Custom Mode
Contrast: 86
Brightness:+2
Color: 48
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Normal
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off


Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Rec.709 or Native (I use Native for my large LUT's)

W/B Detail Adjustment
W/B High R:-1
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B:-17
W/B Low R: +2
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: -2

(W/B) More Detail Adjustment
10 W/B R:+5
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B:+25

20 W/B R:-4
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B:-3

30 W/B R:+1
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B:-6

40 W/B R:+1
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B:+2

50 W/B R:-6
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B:-7

60 W/B R -3
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B:-2

70 W/B R:-5
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B:-7

80 W/B R:+1
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B:+3

90 W/B R:-3
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B -1

100 W/B R: 0
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B:+3

Used a LUT profile 21^3,
If you have eecolor box I can E-mail the LUT for these setiings
[/COLOR]

Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma: 2.4
(Gamma) More Detail Adjustment
10 Gain: 0
20 Gain: 0
30 Gain: 0
40 Gain: 0
50 Gain: 0
60 Gain: 0
70 Gain: 0
80 Gain: 0
90 Gain: 0
100 Gain:0

Advance Picture
Game mode: Off
24p Direct in 96Hz :Note you must be sending your VT60 a 24p signal (Blu Ray disc playing) to be able to set this setting.
3:2 PullDown: Auto

HDMI Content Type and auto detailing.
Off

HDMI/DVI RGB Range
Standard (16-235)

Black Level: Light

Screen format, Full
Overscan, Off
H Size, 1
Screen display, On
4:3 side bars Off (for Blu Ray disc)
Pixel orbiter, Auto

ss

How do these differ visually from your settings in your post on 6/18/13? I like those settings btw.
post #2848 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by rlb4 View Post

How do these differ visually from your settings in your post on 6/18/13? I like those settings btw.

Using a different mode. These are done in Custom mode the others are done in Pro modes.
Some folks don't know how to activate the Pro modes, so I did the Custom mode settings for them and anybody that likes playing with settings in there VT60.
However you may see some slight differences between Pro mode and Custom mode settings.

The second link in my sig is for the settings you like.

ss
post #2849 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Using a different mode. These are done in Custom mode the others are done in Pro modes.
Some folks don't know how to activate the Pro modes, so I did the Custom mode settings for them and anybody that likes playing with settings in there VT60.
However you may see some slight differences between Pro mode and Custom mode settings.

The second link in my sig is for the settings you like.

ss

I have your other settings which were done in Pro mode. I like them. I was curious how these new ones differed visually from the older ones. Are you saying they will look the same and that it is for those that don't know how to activat the Pro modes?
post #2850 of 3317
Quote:
Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Using a different mode. These are done in Custom mode the others are done in Pro modes.
Some folks don't know how to activate the Pro modes, so I did the Custom mode settings for them and anybody that likes playing with settings in there VT60.
However you may see some slight differences between Pro mode and Custom mode settings.

The second link in my sig is for the settings you like.

ss

Just curious: if using your settings, why would using Custom vs. Pro Mode be any different?
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