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post #751 of 3315
The controls are more than sufficient and you can't effectively adjust those controls by eye IMO you need a meter and calibration software

Pro cal would definitely improve things how much is subjective but Imo for your set your are not seeing your set at its full potential
post #752 of 3315
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

The controls are more than sufficient and you can't effectively adjust those controls by eye IMO you need a meter and calibration software

Pro cal would definitely improve things how much is subjective but Imo for your set your are not seeing your set at its full potential
Agreed. I calibrated my set last night and although it was a little finicky as previously reported, it dialed in very nicely
post #753 of 3315
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Originally Posted by jasonisgreen View Post

Is there a quick way to switch between Dnice's settings and Cnet's? Or do I have to manually re-enter the settings under the custom mode each time?

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Originally Posted by adrian s View Post

Put one setting in custom and the other in cinema

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Originally Posted by Heywould View Post

Cnet recomends you use the Cinema as the base and Dnice uses custom.. so you dont have to input the settings each time.. put dnice in custom and cnet in cinema and when you want to change you move between those two with a push of a button or two..

Its also a very easy way to see the difference between the two in real content.

Also, each port has its own settings so if you put dnice settings in for TV or HDMI 1 all the other ports will be at their defautls (unless you copy the settings to the other ports with the copy feature)

You can have different settings for each port, all three hdmi, tv AV etc all have their own.. you can as I said copy (without having to input manually) the settings to each port though.

I hope you're not plugging CNET's settings into Custom wink.gif

D-Nice is Custom

CNET is Cinema

Like others have confimred..

Makes it a very easy switch between the two 'calibrated' settings cool.gif
post #754 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

Big +1 on the Disney WOW BD, a must have imo for anyone with an HDTV

Is the Disney WOW BD superior to the AVS HD 709 disc?
post #755 of 3315
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Is the Disney WOW BD superior to the AVS HD 709 disc?
It's only better in terms of ease of use. You can get the same results using AVS HD 709 if you know what you're doing. And there is a patterns manual in the AVS HD 709 thread. Basically WoW will walk you through everything, and with AVS HD 709 you will have to read how to use each pattern yourself.

Also Disney WoW is a consumer level calibration disc... AFAIK there aren't any advanced patterns for full calibrations like grayscale or color gamut. Discs like AVS HD 709 or Spears & Munsil have both basic and advanced patterns.

Since I do full calibrations on my displays, if I were to buy one, I would buy Spears & Munsil personally. But for basic stuff like Color/Tint, Contrast, Brightness, Sharpness etc., Disney WoW (or either of them) should be fine.
Edited by rahzel - 5/16/13 at 2:32pm
post #756 of 3315
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Is the Disney WOW BD superior to the AVS HD 709 disc?

I'm not sure, I've never used the AVS disc, but I've been meaning to check it out
post #757 of 3315
Brilliance Enhancer - picture setting on VT60

So is this setting worth turning from off to low, middle or high? Good and bad points?

Seems like it actually helps but haven't played with it too much.
post #758 of 3315
Do D-Nice's settings work best if the slides run for exactly 100 hours (or close to it), or is it fine or even better to run them for longer?

I'm going to be away for the weekend when my TV will hit 100 hours running the slides. Would it be better for me to just let it run 120-130 hours or start it later so I can stop it closer to 100?

Thanks, and sorry if this has been answered already... I'm quickly catching up on this thread.
post #759 of 3315
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Originally Posted by jrw839 View Post

Do D-Nice's settings work best if the slides run for exactly 100 hours (or close to it), or is it fine or even better to run them for longer?

I'm going to be away for the weekend when my TV will hit 100 hours running the slides. Would it be better for me to just let it run 120-130 hours or start it later so I can stop it closer to 100?

Thanks, and sorry if this has been answered already... I'm quickly catching up on this thread.

100 hours for slides is 'bare minimum', so feel free to do 150, or 200 hours, if you can last that long starring at it, but then again, you'll be away so you'll be fine and ready to plug in some settings and watch once you return home biggrin.gif
post #760 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

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Originally Posted by jrw839 View Post

Do D-Nice's settings work best if the slides run for exactly 100 hours (or close to it), or is it fine or even better to run them for longer?

I'm going to be away for the weekend when my TV will hit 100 hours running the slides. Would it be better for me to just let it run 120-130 hours or start it later so I can stop it closer to 100?

Thanks, and sorry if this has been answered already... I'm quickly catching up on this thread.

100 hours for slides is 'bare minimum', so feel free to do 150, or 200 hours, if you can last that long starring at it, but then again, you'll be away so you'll be fine and ready to plug in some settings and watch once you return home biggrin.gif
There is nothing to be gained by not following D-Nice's instructions. biggrin.gif
post #761 of 3315
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There is nothing to be gained by not following D-Nice's instructions. biggrin.gif

Other than getting to enjoy your set the moment you receive it
post #762 of 3315
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There is nothing to be gained by not following D-Nice's instructions. biggrin.gif

I agree, it just wasn't clear whether he was saying 100 hours minimum or 100 hours exactly would be most accurate for his settings.

Also, I watch all my movies through my Boxee Box. (I know it's a zombie, but I haven't found anything better, short of building an XBMC HTPC, which will be a project for when I have time.) What Boxee Box output settings play best with D-Nice's TV calibration settings? The options are:
HDMI Output : RGB High, RGB Low. YUV 444, YUV 422
HDMI Pixel depth: 24 Bit, 30 Bit, 36 Bit

I'm thinking YUV 444 and 24 Bit, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
post #763 of 3315
Sorry, duplicate post... not sure how to delete...
post #764 of 3315
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Originally Posted by jrw839 View Post

Sorry, duplicate post... not sure how to delete...

You just did by editing it wink.gif

Only shows once now
post #765 of 3315
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

There is nothing to be gained by not following D-Nice's instructions. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

Other than getting to enjoy your set the moment you receive it


imo, the average person would be hard pressed to even notice a small different in PQ between two sets running the same settings, but with one having gone through 100 hours of slides and the other not.

What do you think is the % of those who purchase a plasma display that actually runs slides for 100+ hours, less than 5% I would think.

It's the weekend watch some Blu-rays and enjoy your amazing displays biggrin.gif
post #766 of 3315
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

Other than getting to enjoy your set the moment you receive it

Yeah, my fiancée is going to have to humor me for a while on that one... especially since our last TV died, so the only option we'll have to watch our shows while the slides are running next week is her laptop...
post #767 of 3315
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Originally Posted by jrw839 View Post


I agree, it just wasn't clear whether he was saying 100 hours minimum or 100 hours exactly would be most accurate for his settings.

Also, I watch all my movies through my Boxee Box. (I know it's a zombie, but I haven't found anything better, short of building an XBMC HTPC, which will be a project for when I have time.) What Boxee Box output settings play best with D-Nice's TV calibration settings? The options are:
HDMI Output : RGB High, RGB Low. YUV 444, YUV 422
HDMI Pixel depth: 24 Bit, 30 Bit, 36 Bit

I'm thinking YUV 444 and 24 Bit, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

I PM'd you as we covered this indepth over here:http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread/540#post_23291232

REplying in thread in case others were curious - I do feel that section was one of most helpful on the topic and I spent a long time reading threads everywhere! I encourage people to check that out and keep the discussions brief so as to not annoy people whose usage model doesn't really come into these kinds of problems - some were growing tired of us discussing this so deeply...
post #768 of 3315
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Originally Posted by jrw839 View Post


Yeah, my fiancée is going to have to humor me for a while on that one... especially since our last TV died, so the only option we'll have to watch our shows while the slides are running next week is her laptop...


She'll survive.. just make sure you make it up to her wink.gif

And hopeful she stills goes through with the impending wedding tongue.gif
post #769 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post


imo, the average person would be hard pressed to even notice a small different in PQ between two sets running the same settings, but with one having gone through 100 hours of slides and the other not.

What do you think is the % of those who purchase a plasma display that actually runs slides for 100+ hours, less than 5% I would think.

It's the weekend watch some Blu-rays and enjoy your amazing displays biggrin.gif

It's a fairly new TV, so I bet not too many own it, and plus all the places keep going out of stock. The percentage is probably higher at this point.

Several in this thread have mentioned an obvious difference in PQ between 0 and 100 hours of slides; very few have seen a difference in PQ after 300 hours.

Though it is kind of funny in your first post you said 100 hours minimum, then just now you said no one will notice a difference no matter if they do 100 hours or not biggrin.gif
post #770 of 3315
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

It's a fairly new TV, so I bet not too many own it, and plus all the places keep going out of stock. The percentage is probably higher at this point.

Several in this thread have mentioned an obvious difference in PQ between 0 and 100 hours of slides; very few have seen a difference in PQ after 300 hours.

Though it is kind of funny in your first post you said 100 hours minimum, then just now you said no one will notice a difference no matter if they do 100 hours or not biggrin.gif

A difference in the first 100 hours is standard for plasma's but that happens regardless of whether you run slides or not, no documented benefit to running slides other than prep for dnice's settings, normal content does the same thing just not quite as uniform
post #771 of 3315
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

It's a fairly new TV, so I bet not too many own it, and plus all the places keep going out of stock. The percentage is probably higher at this point.

Several in this thread have mentioned an obvious difference in PQ between 0 and 100 hours of slides; very few have seen a difference in PQ after 300 hours.

Though it is kind of funny in your first post you said 100 hours minimum, then just now you said no one will notice a difference no matter if they do 100 hours or not biggrin.gif

Right, definitely changes in first 100 hours, but I'm skeptic about all reports to that effect (noticeable PQ improvement), placebo effect....
post #772 of 3315
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

It's a fairly new TV, so I bet not too many own it, and plus all the places keep going out of stock. The percentage is probably higher at this point.

Several in this thread have mentioned an obvious difference in PQ between 0 and 100 hours of slides; very few have seen a difference in PQ after 300 hours.

Though it is kind of funny in your first post you said 100 hours minimum, then just now you said no one will notice a difference no matter if they do 100 hours or not biggrin.gif

Well it should be said if you are preping for a DNice calibration or pro calibration the recommended "break in" time has been increased to ~300 hours by DNice and others at the shootout.....You dont have to follow this method though, but I know the OP of the thread has yet to be udated (it may not need to though)....
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

A difference in the first 100 hours is standard for plasma's but that happens regardless of whether you run slides or not, no documented benefit to running slides other than prep for dnice's settings, normal content does the same thing just not quite as uniform

^^ This pretty much states it smile.gif
post #773 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Well it should be said if you are preping for a DNice calibration or pro calibration the recommended "break in" time has been increased to ~300 hours by DNice and others at the shootout.....You dont have to follow this method though, but I know the OP of the thread has yet to be udated (it may not need to though)....
^^ This pretty much states it smile.gif

I don't think anyone has confirmed that the slides should be run for more than 100 hours though at this point.
post #774 of 3315
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

I don't think anyone has confirmed that the slides should be run for more than 100 hours though at this point.

All depends on what you are prepping to do wink.gif

DNice mentioned it on a different forum as well as the shootout that the recommended break-in has been increased to ~300 hours. Now I am just putting two and two together, but if you have no plans of pro calibration then no need to follow the new 300 hour recommendation. The 300 hour mark was determined by D-Nice due to the greyscale shift he saw on his ST60 after the 150 hour mark (I think thats the amount of time)......For many not getting a calibration it wont make any difference (at this time) so 100 hours should be OK IMO...
post #775 of 3315
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Originally Posted by tuffluck View Post

I don't think anyone has confirmed that the slides should be run for more than 100 hours though at this point.

Only 100 hours is far from fully breaking in the panel. Many do much more than 100 hours, just look around you'll see.. smile.gif
post #776 of 3315
Personally, if I was going to pay big money for a calibration, I would wait until I had atleast 500 hours. I had about 2000 hours on my ST50 before I got it calibrated but that was mostly because I couldnt make up my mind on whether to have it done or not. Im glad I did.
post #777 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

Right, definitely changes in first 100 hours, but I'm skeptic about all reports to that effect (noticeable PQ improvement), placebo effect....

Oh it defintely is not a placebo affect as the phosphers settle down they become more stable, in my experience color saturation improves etc and if there wasnt a discernable change why not have a pro cal right awsy, I can only speak to my experience on the 5 plasmas I have owned but it has been consistent with every singl one
post #778 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Personally, if I was going to pay big money for a calibration, I would wait until I had atleast 500 hours. I had about 2000 hours on my ST50 before I got it calibrated but that was mostly because I couldnt make up my mind on whether to have it done or not. Im glad I did.

That's certainly one way to tackle it I have never waited that long and have yet to have a problem
post #779 of 3315
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

That's certainly one way to tackle it I have never waited that long and have yet to have a problem
It helps that Chad is willing to come back and tweak it too. smile.gif I dont know if they are all willing to do that.
Edited by Bond 007 - 5/17/13 at 10:37am
post #780 of 3315
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

It helps that Chad is willing to come back and tweak it too. smile.gif I dont know if they are all willing to do that.

Chad does a free 60 day followup visit, which btw didnt result in a resolution to my issue, darn that TWC and theie compression frown.gif
Edited by chunon - 5/17/13 at 10:56am
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