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post #181 of 194
Yes i am talking about looking at the results of footage direct to my 50" 1920x180P tv,watching footage to compare results of Mbps after PC software has had a say would be fruitless.But to say 24Mbps has more noise and artifacts than 28Mbps is simply not the case,on my HF-G30 and any i doubt.
post #182 of 194
best viewer to date is called splash
post #183 of 194
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s1y8bod0PU

https://vimeo.com/74050560


You tube and Vimeo versions of the same film,which is a third generation copy.the origional 14 minute film from avchd was rendered to just over a 12m File and then shortened again to this 5m 40s version so the quality is not highest but pleased with the content.Although even with 1152mm it cant come near stuff like the Beebs returning wildlife,thats where having gear costing more than a realy good car helps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go1yow-S0x8 origional file , a bit boring length.
Edited by flintyplus - 9/8/13 at 2:49pm
post #184 of 194
Here is a bit of footage shot on a G30 a sunny then cloudy day in England
in mp4 at 35mps on auto mode with stabiliser on with a fluid tripod
http://youtu.be/NdbuZWZJOgs
Edited by terryuk22 - 9/8/13 at 4:27am
post #185 of 194
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Originally Posted by terryuk22 View Post

Here is a bit of footage shot on a G30 a sunny then cloudy day in England
in mp4 at 35mps on auto mode with stabiliser on with a fluid tripod
http://youtu.be/NdbuZWZJOgs

Some interesting shots,Do you like Mpeg4,i have tried it and 50P but find no gain in performance,24Mbps is easier to edit for me and gives more footage on cards,i do keep in manual mode as my favorite outdoor wb is sunlight.
post #186 of 194
...flintyplus. In the comparison test You showed us 20th july: At 2.15 min where GF30 24Mbps50i is compared to 28Mbps50p on the right side of the sheet I clearly see bad aliasing between the lines in 24Mbps which totally are absent in 28Mbps.
I shoot a lot of Classic cars with lots of chrome lines and the jaggies with 50i are very disturbing. When I shoot in 50p28Mbps there is no aliasing. When shooting wildlife as I also do. I might use 50i but with PowerDirector 11 the editing is as simple with 50p28Mbps. The problem is that I cannot burn blurays in 50p yet.
I spent 6 hours yesterday comparing clips in my home theater on the 240 cm screen. I moved the HDD from the Oppos ext hdd-chassi to a Dune smart HD1 mediaplayer and HDMI to JVC X30 projector.
Clips with those Classic cars shot in 50p28Mbps look awesome . No artifacts. The clips in 50i24 Mbps still show lot of bad aliasing in spite of the Dune trying to deinterlace them.
post #187 of 194
.....Yes, I could use 1080/25p24Mbps but the motion artifacts produced in this mode is no option for me..
post #188 of 194
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Originally Posted by Bixbe View Post

...flintyplus. In the comparison test You showed us 20th july: At 2.15 min where GF30 24Mbps50i is compared to 28Mbps50p on the right side of the sheet I clearly see bad aliasing between the lines in 24Mbps which totally are absent in 28Mbps.
I shoot a lot of Classic cars with lots of chrome lines and the jaggies with 50i are very disturbing. When I shoot in 50p28Mbps there is no aliasing. When shooting wildlife as I also do. I might use 50i but with PowerDirector 11 the editing is as simple with 50p28Mbps. The problem is that I cannot burn blurays in 50p yet.
I spent 6 hours yesterday comparing clips in my home theater on the 240 cm screen. I moved the HDD from the Oppos ext hdd-chassi to a Dune smart HD1 mediaplayer and HDMI to JVC X30 projector.
Clips with those Classic cars shot in 50p28Mbps look awesome . No artifacts. The clips in 50i24 Mbps still show lot of bad aliasing in spite of the Dune trying to deinterlace them.
I have checked At 2.15min in the test it was 28Mbps i assure you putting 24Mbps and 28 &35Mgbits on blu ray or watching footage direct from my camcorder it is IDENTICAL,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ0-xs6y1a0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0_2kmAXbTY
Films like those 24Mbps look great on Tv compared to youtube
I film in PF25.00
Edited by flintyplus - 9/10/13 at 8:26am
post #189 of 194
..Yes. If people knew how good films are made with this camera they would buy it. , hehe. One day maybe Youtube and Vimeo will be better.
post #190 of 194
sorry for the stupid question. looking into getting the hf g30 versus waiting for Sony's new CX900. I know the CX900 is not out yet but given specs and reputation, any words of advice? Mainly for home movies. Kids stuff


Thanks
post #191 of 194
Depending on how "urgent" it is, I would suggest waiting a few months to see what they Canon come out with this year.

The lower end camcorders use the same sensors and processors I believe, but with fewer bells and whistles and a cheaper lens. If you just want to use it for home movies and such, those might be a more cost effective option.
post #192 of 194
For home movies "kids stuff", have you considered the Panasonic X920? The Canon G30 is twice as large, twice as heavy, twice as expensive, and takes a lot longer to turn on than the X920. Image quality is similar in both bright and low light. The main advantages of the G30 are a longer zoom range, and better EVF, neither of which are that useful for home movies of kids. The CX900 will also be twice as large and heavy and expensive as the X920. The CX900 isn't shipping yet, but it will likely have similar bright light image quality and superior low light image quality (larger sensor, better codec) than either the G30 or X920.
Edited by hatchback - 2/12/14 at 8:57pm
post #193 of 194
Thanks guys. Have not looked at the X920 but will. I like the idea of a longer zoom with the kids sports activities/tournaments so I'll see what I really need. If the Sony should have a similar image to the G30 in bright light but better low light I may wait to see what it has to offer. We film my grandfathers birthday/family reunion every year and it happens to be 1 week after the Sony is to be released so even if released on time we'd go into it blindly which isn't a great idea. My limited research notes that Canon did not announce a replacement for the G30 at CES but do they typically replace models yearly? Since the G30 came out in about 6/13 can we expect a G40 in 6/14? I'll stop muddying the waters of this thread now.
post #194 of 194
The G30 gives better color out of the camera than the 920, and the 920 is a little sharper. The G30 also provides full manual controls as well. If you want a simpler camera, then the Canon 500/50/52 models have a similar image and are a lot cheaper than either the G30 or 920. In Canada the MRRP for the 50 is $400, and the 52 is $450. I am not sure what the price for the 500 is, but probably is less than that.

Canon updates their consumer video cameras on average once a year, but there have been longer intervals. The G30 was released a few months after the G20, so the release interval was much, much shorter in that instance. I think it is likely that Canon will release high end consumer equivalents of the new 4K and 2K Sony cameras sometime this year however, but you can never be sure.

If you were thinking of the G30, personally I would wait since it is quite expensive and I have little doubt that much better cameras will be on the market at that price point sometime this year. If you want something now, and have modest requirements for using it, then the Vixia HF 500/50/52 range might do, or the Panasonic 920 (which is a four or five hundred dollars more expensive).
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