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post #61 of 403
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Remember, I have Audyssey Pro also. I will check into that USB mic. I think I would need to learn alot on the technical side to use the dsp but, I am willing to so. I will go with what I have now and see what results i get first. As far as wiring and connections go, should/can I use balanced connectors? Where can I get all that stuff, PE?
post #62 of 403
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

The Daytons and SI's are great quality/performing drivers for their price, but they dont perform miracles. the LMS costs $850 a piece at its new price. it used to be like $950. of course its going to be better than the Dayton's and SI's. when you get into Multiples of the cheaper drivers is when you see the value but thats more boxes and bigger boxes. For the price of one LMS you can build three or four Daytons or SI's, but not everyone wants more boxes.

I purchased 2 LMS-U's thinking that I had the end all be all of subs. Well, I was definitely at the top of the sub heap, but wasn't getting the output that "I" was looking for. Adding another pair of LMS-U's meant another amp, another dedicated circuit and most importantly another $3K+ in gear alone.

Ricci got his hands on the SI driver and it tested very well. I personally chose the SI for a few reasons:
  • Ricci's testing showed slightly higher xmax and output over the Dayton HO.
  • SI was somewhat local to me, so I was able to drive to their place to pick them up.
  • Small company with more personable business exchanges.
  • Got a pretty kick-a$$ pre-order deal.
  • Loved the high surround. (though I did like the look of the HO's aluminum cone)

I now have much more output for far less $ than I would have invested in quad ultras. The SI and HO's have more similarities than differences and your quads should totally rock mal!

Great progress over the past few days! Looking forward to your listening impressions.
post #63 of 403
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Hey Pop,
I'm feeling pretty good about the project and think I will be pleased. Today I sanded and spackled and am playing with my new router so I can round over the corners, can't help feeling I'm going to screw at least one them up! This is for you or Brian, I also have an SMS-1, could it be useful or should I just stick with Audyssey Pro and xt-32 and go from there?
post #64 of 403
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Hey Pop,
I'm feeling pretty good about the project and think I will be pleased. Today I sanded and spackled and am playing with my new router so I can round over the corners, can't help feeling I'm going to screw at least one them up! This is for you or Brian, I also have an SMS-1, could it be useful or should I just stick with Audyssey Pro and xt-32 and go from there?

Heck yeah the SMS-1 is useful!

What is the plan? Are you going to be co-locating your subs? Maybe stacking two in each corner? I forget?
post #65 of 403
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Plan is one in each corner, each on a 2ft riser/trap!
post #66 of 403
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Heck yeah the SMS-1 is useful!

What is the plan? Are you going to be co-locating your subs? Maybe stacking two in each corner? I forget?

i was going to say, i think Popalock has a SMS-1. biggrin.gif
post #67 of 403
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I took it out of my because I believe I read on the audyssey forum not to use it in conjunction with pro!
post #68 of 403
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Right now I have them in opposite corners, I can co-locate though!
post #69 of 403
Co locating would increase output but having them in four separate corners will make the response smoother throughout the room
post #70 of 403
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I will try both but I am looking for more output!
post #71 of 403
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I will try both but I am looking for more output!

If you are going to use the SMS-1 it would be best to co-locate them and ensure each sub pair is equidistant from your LP. The SMS-1 does adjust phase, will not allow the flexibility of adjusting delay for varying distances. Play with it a bit and you should be able to get the response you are looking for.

I've had the SMS-1 for about 9 months now, and just discovered last month that one can adjust the "F" and basically move the bans anywhere you want to fine tune things. That made a WORLD of difference for me and really made me that much more of a fan of the SMS-1. I hope I don't end up regretting selling it...

IIRC Carp noticed some issues when using the SMS-1 in his chain with is dual SubM's, but I believe it had something to do with the SubM's being active. I don't have a AVR with XT32, but as I understand it, XT32 can adjust distance settings for two separate subs. If that is the case, it sounds like you should be able to place a pair in your rear corners, let XT32 do it's thing, then adjust all subs as one unit with the SMS-1. Make sense?

How close are you to firing them up?
post #72 of 403
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I was thinking it was the opposite, eq with the sms then run audyssey. I neeb to back to that forum and ask there. If I co-locate I might need to go front corners because one of my back corners isn't really, it's the little hallway to the bathroom. I'm still a week or two away probably, don't have the drivers yet or the amp for that matter.
post #73 of 403
i was thinking that because he has XT32, he could put them in all four corners, pairing them by the distance from the LP. fronts on one output and rears on the other. then EQ as one with the SMS.
post #74 of 403
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So Brian, you also say run audyssey then the sms? Mlp is to the right of center of room!
post #75 of 403
i would try both.

Also, you could do the SMS first, then Audyssey, then tweak with SMS if needed afterwards.
post #76 of 403
Personally I would do the SMS first and then present that flatter response to Audyssey to handle the blend/leveling with your mains.
post #77 of 403
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What about wiring and connectors, can I do balanced? How will I hook them up, is there a diagram you could point me to?
post #78 of 403
that will depend on what gear is used. for what you have right now, you could use rca to the SMS-1 then male xlr cables to the amp
post #79 of 403
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Corners rounded and ready for duratex. [IMG]
post #80 of 403
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post #81 of 403
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Can I use XLR to the subs? How will wire from amp to sub?
post #82 of 403
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I mean to actually power the subs!
post #83 of 403
you can use regular 12 awg wire and binding posts or speakon connectors. a lot of folks really like the speakons. i have no experience with them. they both perform the same.
post #84 of 403
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I'm still not getting how I will wire these, I'm not talking about the signal, I mean the power from amp to driver.
post #85 of 403
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I'm still not getting how I will wire these, I'm not talking about the signal, I mean the power from amp to driver.

no power needed. only signal. like any other passive speaker
post #86 of 403
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Oh, shows you how ignorant I am about this, I thought I had to run wire from the amp to the drivers to power them and then the RCA /XLR cable to send the signal.
post #87 of 403
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So running balanced cables TO the subs isn't needed, just from processor to amp?
post #88 of 403
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So running balanced cables TO the subs isn't needed, just from processor to amp?

use rca's from the processor to the SMS-1, then XLR cables from the SMS-1 to the amp. you can then use regular wire from the amp to the subs. no external power to the subs is necessary. just the signal
post #89 of 403
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I purchased 2 LMS-U's thinking that I had the end all be all of subs. Well, I was definitely at the top of the sub heap, but wasn't getting the output that "I" was looking for. Adding another pair of LMS-U's meant another amp, another dedicated circuit and most importantly another $3K+ in gear alone.
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I now have much more output for far less $ than I would have invested in quad ultras. The SI and HO's have more similarities than differences and your quads should totally rock mal!

Austin - Thanks for posting this. I was going to do (4) Dayton 18HOs and thought about shifting to two LMS Ultras. Given your experiences, I think I'm going back to (4) 18HOs. With the savings .. who knows, maybe more! (but no where near 16) I would consider SI; however I spoke with PE and they say the 18HOs are on a train in Chicago so they should have them back in stock tomorrow. I can't wait until June+, I want to get my room put back together.
post #90 of 403
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

so does that mean your going to use the CV5000 for the amp?

Brain - having heard you recommend this combination before .. I wanted to ask. How would a CV5000 compare to two Behringer EP4000. A good sale you can have two EP4ks for less money and have 1400 watts @ 4ohm w/ the ability to grow to 8 subs w/ 1k each. Would also allow someone to start with two and grow to 4 by adding a second amp. This would also allow you to do a 2x4 mini and the ability to EQ all four subs independently. I also like the non-pro inputs in that setup.

Not trying to say its a better setup, just looking to get your feedback and help me find fault with my logic from those of you who have ... traveled this path before the rest of us! smile.gif
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