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post #31 of 135
Already did, and will post here any response I get from OPPO. Fortunately, the output of the above procedure works consistently on the BDP-105. I now have a dozen albums (as single-file dff files and cue files) on a drive and the OPPO reads them fine. Going from ISO to diff+cue takes less than a minute, so I can't complain. Tomorrow I will post some before (problematic)/after (glorious) cue files you all can use as templates.

Two new issues were discovered. First, if your audio file name in the cue file has strange characters (e.g., accented letters), the BDP-105 will not be able to find the audio file in the directory. It is as if its file system or the cue parser (but not both) strips the accents, so there is no longer a match and you get the "cannot find associated file" message.

The second issue really has me puzzled. You might have noticed that 7-zip can open some SACD-R ISO files, whereas others it cannot. I never thought much of this, because the BDP-105 (prior to the latest firmware) would play disks burned form both types of ISOs just fine. However, now that the new BDP-105 firmware prevents it from reading either type of disk, we have to generate the audio file w cue. Well, it seems that SACD_extract only works with the latter type of ISO files. When I process a SACD-R ISO that 7-zip can also peek into, I get a dff file and cue file that the OPPO can recognizes just fine, except I get very loud digital white noise. This is a SACD_extract issue, not a BDP-105 cue issue, but in case anyone has come across this before: what is the difference between a SACD-R ISO that 7-zip can open, and one that 7-zip cannot? It made no difference to the BDP-105 (old firmware), but it sure makes a difference to SACD_extract.
post #32 of 135
Interesting. I didn`t know that it is possible to open a SACD-R ISO with 7-zip. Concerning creating CUE files, I use dsdmerge.
post #33 of 135
While I am pleased that Oppo has addressed this gapless problem at all with cue file support and is, apparently, working on getting that to work even with individual files, I am still perplexed as to why they cannot simply do away with making us jump through hoops with cue files and simply implement proper gapless such as the likes of Squeezebox, Olive, and numerous other digital music players manage to do.

Anywhoo,

Has anyone tested the compatibility of cue files generated by XLD on OS X with the 105? I'm interested to know, since I already have a lot of CD's ripped to FLAC with this app on my NAS (as individual files) and a multi-region 105 on the way. smile.gif
post #34 of 135
Does the Oppo only support cue file playback from USB? I don't see any of my cue files on my NAS.

Edit: forgot to mention I'm running the latest beta firmware on a 105.
post #35 of 135
Cue sheets do work over SMB.

I don't know if it's supported over DLNA; it might depend on the program.
post #36 of 135
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Originally Posted by Manic_D View Post

Cue sheets do work over SMB.

I don't know if it's supported over DLNA; it might depend on the program.
Cue sheets aren't supported via DLNA, in that the Cue sheet itself wouldn't be sent to the Oppo. If using the Oppo as a DLNA DMR, support for Cue sheets would be a function of the media player that's being used.
post #37 of 135
For reference, copying the info below into this thread as well (originally posted in the 105 Owner's Thread):

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Originally Posted by woof07 View Post

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Originally Posted by woof07 View Post

I'm a MAC user and have been searching for a way to create a single FLAC file from individual files in order to achieve gapless play (I listen primarily to classical music / opera where this is a big issue). Today I stumbled on a way to do it using XLD.

1. Create a directory for the individual files and place the files into this directory.
2. Make sure the files are named in a way that they'll list in the proper play order.
3. Open XLD .. set Preferences / General / Output=FLAC
4. Select FILE/Open Folder as Disc
5. When the input screen appears, select the directory (#1, above). Immediately above "Extraction Mode", click on the drop down and select "Save as Single File (+cue)".
6. Click on "Transcode"

It will create a single FLAC file and a (branching) cue file.

At this time, Oppo does not support branching cue files, however, you can play the FLAC file that was created and it plays gaplessly!

I mis-spoke on the type of cue file that this produces. This is NOT a branching cue file. This is a cue file accessing a single FLAC file (which is composed of all the individual FLAC files that you fed XLD) and this is supported by the current firmware.


--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 6/10/13 at 5:02pm
post #38 of 135
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Originally Posted by GoldenBoy View Post

While I am pleased that Oppo has addressed this gapless problem at all with cue file support and is, apparently, working on getting that to work even with individual files, I am still perplexed as to why they cannot simply do away with making us jump through hoops with cue files and simply implement proper gapless such as the likes of Squeezebox, Olive, and numerous other digital music players manage to do.

+1

But as Oppo says in a response posted earlier, the player(s) are first and foremost disk players, not music players.

Having said that, I have to say don't understand why they are then putting the effort into cue sheet support. That makes no sense to me. Most people using the player (including myself) have no prior need or knowledge of cue sheets, and even if Oppo gets the "branching cue sheet support" working, I predict very few users will go through all the trouble to make use of the feature.

It seems it would be easier to just figure out how "everyone else" does it without cue sheets. I mean, it can't be that difficult - I have a $3.99 app on my Android phone that plays gapless from a network share or media server (or local storage). And, long, long ago, an app on my HP iPaq Pocket PC (remember those?) that did it.

- Mark
post #39 of 135
True, it's almost hard to find a decent software media player these days that doesn't offer gapless playback. In another Oppo thread awhile back when the 103/105 was first released, it was stated by one of the beta club members that it was up to MediaTek to implement gapless playback and they weren't interested. I find it odd that so much effort has gone into cue sheet support when direct gapless playback has been implemented by so many others.

I'm hoping the next generation Oppo player has gapless playback, just like I was keeping my fingers crossed when the 103/105 was released. It's one of the reasons I decided to skip this upgrade from my 93.
Edited by scolumbo - 7/17/13 at 9:41am
post #40 of 135
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

True, it's almost hard to find a decent software media player these days that doesn't offer gapless playback.
Really... Which ones do you recommend?
post #41 of 135
I really like Foobar and J. River for a lot of reasons, other than just gapless playback. Foobar has the advantageous of being free. smile.gif
post #42 of 135
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

True, it's almost hard to find a decent software media player these days that doesn't offer gapless playback. In another Oppo thread awhile back when the 103/105 was first released, it was stated by one of the beta club members that it was up to MediaTek to implement gapless playback and they weren't interested. I find it odd that so much effort has gone into cue sheet support when direct gapless playback has been implemented by so many others.

I'm hoping the next generation Oppo player has gapless playback, just like I was keeping my fingers crossed when the 103/105 was released. It's one of the reasons I decided to skip this upgrade from my 93.


Well, then, Oppo should have dropped MediaTek. There's really nothing special about it, it doesn't even do ALAC or AAC, like my Onkyo does. rolleyes.gif

But, I still don't buy it. I get the feeling, Oppo, if they wanted to, could find a way to implement gapless with the MediaTek.
post #43 of 135
Regardless of what the Mediatek chip-set can or can't do.... Can we stay 'on-topic' now please?
post #44 of 135
Release date: August 12, 2013.
Category: Latest Public Beta Test Release
Main Version: BDP10X-60-0808B
Loader Version: 6U0900 or 7B1200 (BDP-103), 7B1200 (BDP-105)
Sub Version: MCU103-05-0916 (BDP-103), MCU105-04-1113 (BDP-105)

Release Notes:

1. This Public Beta firmware is designed to work with a new version of the Apple iOS control application, Media Control HD V2.0 for iPad and iPad mini, which adds new features such as SMB access, album art display, media category support, and the ability to post to popular social networks. This application will be available on the App Store shortly.
2. Added automatic sorting of content when accessing files via SMB. The files/folders are now sorted in alphabetic order.
3. Improved CUE file support. Now a CUE file can point to multiple music files located in the same folder.
4. Resolved an error related to configuring the BDP-105's dedicated Stereo Audio Out. Customers had reported that audio from the surround channels can still be heard from these dedicated Stereo Audio outputs even though "Stereo Signal" has been set to "Front Left/Right".
5. General disc compatibility improvements based on recent and upcoming Blu-ray releases as well as user-submitted disc samples.

Time to start testing.....
post #45 of 135
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

1. This Public Beta firmware is designed to work with a new version of the Apple iOS control application, Media Control HD V2.0 for iPad and iPad mini, which adds new features such as SMB access,
2. Added automatic sorting of content when accessing files via SMB. The files/folders are now sorted in alphabetic order.
3. Improved CUE file support. Now a CUE file can point to multiple music files located in the same folder.

Wow, wow! That`s what I have been waiting for. Curious if the app has full support of CUE files.

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Time to start testing.....

Pls Oppo UK! Don`t let us wait too long for this Beta smile.gif
post #46 of 135
Now, let's hope the next firmware release brings proper gapless support sans the the need for cue sheets -- they claimed they are "investigating this".
post #47 of 135
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

3. Improved CUE file support. Now a CUE file can point to multiple music files located in the same folder.


Time to start testing.....

Assuming this works, is there some utility I can run that will read through all of my folders and generate the CUE files from my flacs in the correct folders?

- Mark
post #48 of 135
Oppo 103 added to thread title per request. Good luck guys and gals.

S~
post #49 of 135
Is anyone using XLD on OS X to create cue files? I've tested my branching cue files from an SMB via Ethernet off of my NAS and the 105 won't read it.



Here's a cue file just as an example:
Quote:
TITLE "Foot Loose & Fancy Free"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
REM GENRE "Rock"
REM DATE "2013"
REM DISCID 802D7808
FILE "01-Hot Legs.flac" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "Hot Legs"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "02-You're Insane.flac" WAVE
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "You're Insane"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "03-You're In My Heart (The Final Acclaim).flac" WAVE
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "You're In My Heart (The Final Acclaim)"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "04-Born Loose.flac" WAVE
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "Born Loose"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "05-You Keep Me Hangin' On.flac" WAVE
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "You Keep Me Hangin' On"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "06-(If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want To Be Right.flac" WAVE
TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "(If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want To Be Right"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "07-You Got A Nerve.flac" WAVE
TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "You Got A Nerve"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "08-I Was Only Joking.flac" WAVE
TRACK 08 AUDIO
TITLE "I Was Only Joking"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
post #50 of 135
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Originally Posted by GoldenBoy View Post

Is anyone using XLD on OS X to create cue files? I've tested my branching cue files from an SMB via Ethernet off of my NAS and the 105 won't read it.



Here's a cue file just as an example:

I also use OS X and XLD to produce compiled gapless FLAC files and accompanying cue files. At this point, I've ignored the cue files as my goal was to have gapless play for music that demands it (many orchestral works and most opera) and it works great. If I want to listen to individual tracks, I just play the individual track. Until the iPad app. displays a cue file's content so you can click on an individual track, the cue file is useless to me (I don't want to have to turn on my TV to do so). I'll be interested to see how the iPad app. update behaves when it becomes available.
post #51 of 135
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Originally Posted by woof07 View Post

I also use OS X and XLD to produce compiled gapless FLAC files and accompanying cue files. At this point, I've ignored the cue files as my goal was to have gapless play for music that demands it (many orchestral works and most opera) and it works great. If I want to listen to individual tracks, I just play the individual track. Until the iPad app. displays a cue file's content so you can click on an individual track, the cue file is useless to me (I don't want to have to turn on my TV to do so). I'll be interested to see how the iPad app. update behaves when it becomes available.

But I don't understand, how do you get gapless without the cue files? Are you pushing to the Oppo? I have thus far ignored classical streaming because I don't want to rip discs in single files and it's useless without gapless to listen to classical and even some jazz. Furthermore, almost all of my classical listening these days is multichannel SACD, Blu-ray Audio, or DVD-A. If I ever get around to getting one of those old PS3s off of eBay, I might start ripping the DSD layers of my SACD catalogue as well. I have been ripping my DVD-As, but I'm not wholly convinced that DVD Audio Ripper is giving me FLAC files that sound completely identical to the originals. Maybe I'm paranoid? tongue.gif
post #52 of 135
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Originally Posted by GoldenBoy View Post

But I don't understand, how do you get gapless without the cue files? Are you pushing to the Oppo? I have thus far ignored classical streaming because I don't want to rip discs in single files and it's useless without gapless to listen to classical and even some jazz. Furthermore, almost all of my classical listening these days is multichannel SACD, Blu-ray Audio, or DVD-A. If I ever get around to getting one of those old PS3s off of eBay, I might start ripping the DSD layers of my SACD catalogue as well. I have been ripping my DVD-As, but I'm not wholly convinced that DVD Audio Ripper is giving me FLAC files that sound completely identical to the originals. Maybe I'm paranoid? tongue.gif

Here's what I do:

1. Create a directory for the individual files
2. Make sure the files are named in a way that they'll list in the proper play order.
3. Open XLR .. set Preferences / General / Output=FLAC
4. Select FILE/Open Folder as Disc
5. When the input screen appears, select the directory (#1 above). Above "Extraction Mode", click on the drop down and select "Save as Single File (+cue)".
6. Click on "Transcode"

It will create a single FLAC file and cue file.
post #53 of 135
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Originally Posted by woof07 View Post


Here's what I do:

1. Create a directory for the individual files
2. Make sure the files are named in a way that they'll list in the proper play order.
3. Open XLR .. set Preferences / General / Output=FLAC
4. Select FILE/Open Folder as Disc
5. When the input screen appears, select the directory (#1 above). Above "Extraction Mode", click on the drop down and select "Save as Single File (+cue)".
6. Click on "Transcode"

It will create a single FLAC file and cue file.

Well, maybe that would work (although I would need the Windows equivalent of XLR) but 1) it would double the storage required and 2) I have hundreds of folders - to go though each folder individually would be tedious, to say the least.
post #54 of 135
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Originally Posted by GoldenBoy View Post

Is anyone using XLD on OS X to create cue files? I've tested my branching cue files from an SMB via Ethernet off of my NAS and the 105 won't read it.



Here's a cue file just as an example:
Quote:
TITLE "Foot Loose & Fancy Free"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
REM GENRE "Rock"
REM DATE "2013"
REM DISCID 802D7808
FILE "01-Hot Legs.flac" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "Hot Legs"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "02-You're Insane.flac" WAVE
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "You're Insane"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "03-You're In My Heart (The Final Acclaim).flac" WAVE
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "You're In My Heart (The Final Acclaim)"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "04-Born Loose.flac" WAVE
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "Born Loose"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "05-You Keep Me Hangin' On.flac" WAVE
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "You Keep Me Hangin' On"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "06-(If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want To Be Right.flac" WAVE
TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "(If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want To Be Right"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "07-You Got A Nerve.flac" WAVE
TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "You Got A Nerve"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "08-I Was Only Joking.flac" WAVE
TRACK 08 AUDIO
TITLE "I Was Only Joking"
PERFORMER "Rod Stewart"
INDEX 01 00:00:00

I've not tried CUE files myself yet, so I could be completely off base here, but I've seen one report that the CUE file parsing in the latest firmware can balk if the file extensions are not what it is expecting. Is it possible that the "WAVE" in your "FILE" lines is causing it to expect a ".wav" extension instead of ".flac"?
--Bob
post #55 of 135
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

Pls Oppo UK! Don`t let us wait too long for this Beta smile.gif

Did they hear me? tongue.gif Voilá: BDP10XEU-60-0808B
post #56 of 135
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Originally Posted by woof07 View Post

Here's what I do:

1. Create a directory for the individual files
2. Make sure the files are named in a way that they'll list in the proper play order.
3. Open XLR .. set Preferences / General / Output=FLAC
4. Select FILE/Open Folder as Disc
5. When the input screen appears, select the directory (#1 above). Above "Extraction Mode", click on the drop down and select "Save as Single File (+cue)".
6. Click on "Transcode"

It will create a single FLAC file and cue file.

Yes, that whole process I know, but, as I've stated elsewhere, I really don't want to rip to single files. Besides, I would have to go back and recreate single files from practically my entire library just to get gapless playback, which would also require double the storage (and a hell of a lot of time).
post #57 of 135
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I've not tried CUE files myself yet, so I could be completely off base here, but I've seen one report that the CUE file parsing in the latest firmware can balk if the file extensions are not what it is expecting. Is it possible that the "WAVE" in your "FILE" lines is causing it to expect a ".wav" extension instead of ".flac"?
--Bob

I don't know, could be? But the "Wave" also appears in the cue files generated by EAC and no one had any issues with it for the single-file playback, as you can see from some of the previous posts. It's one of the first things I noticed. Of course, branching file playback is a different beast. *shrug*
post #58 of 135
A working CUE sheet for a .dff (in this case: Groove Armada - Vertigo.dff) file that my Oppo can read looks like this (Click to show)
Quote:
PERFORMER "Groove Armada"
TITLE "Vertigo"
FILE "Groove Armada - Vertigo" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "Chicago"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Whatever, Whenever"
INDEX 01 07:20:07
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "Dusk You & Me"
INDEX 01 11:08:68
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "Pre 63"
INDEX 01 16:48:26
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "If Everybody Looked The Same "
INDEX 01 23:15:08
TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "Serve Chilled"
INDEX 01 26:53:18
TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "I See You Baby"
INDEX 01 32:01:53
TRACK 08 AUDIO
TITLE "A Private Interlude"
INDEX 01 36:42:35
TRACK 09 AUDIO
TITLE "At The River"
INDEX 01 40:36:44
TRACK 10 AUDIO
TITLE "In My Bones"
INDEX 01 47:10:15
TRACK 11 AUDIO
TITLE "Your Song"
INDEX 01 51:53:45
TRACK 12 AUDIO
TITLE "Inside My Mind (Blue Skies)"
INDEX 01 57:00:04

Edited by Holzohr - 8/16/13 at 10:33am
post #59 of 135
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Originally Posted by Holzohr View Post

A working CUE sheet for a .dff (in this case: Groove Armada - Vertigo.dff) file that my Oppo can read looks like this:

The thing I notice is your file does not have the album title, genre, date, and disc ID at the top. Maybe I need to edit those out from mine and give them a try?
post #60 of 135
I am not sure if these things are needed in such a CUE sheet. I am a newbie in this topic. I notice your sheet contents special FILE lines.
So far I am only using these CUE files for DSD files, created by dsdmerge. I still didn`t create CUE files for merged FLAC files.

Do you know this site? Cue sheet - Hydrogenaudio Knowledgebase
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