or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official Samsung F7100 Owners Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Samsung F7100 Owners Thread - Page 6

post #151 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by srg914 View Post
 

I've got clouds in all four corners..as per Samsung I've set the backlight to 7 and giving it a few weeks.  As far as the motion blur, I've got auto motion = custom, Blur = 10, Judder = 0, LED Clear Motion = on.  I have no issues with motion blur.

 

srg914 - I guess I should set mine to 7 too just in case.

 

 

As far as the motion blur, with that setting, when you watch a sitcom and the actors hands or heads move quickly, you don't notice any disturbance or anything?  Did you notice an issue before you adjusted to that setting?  The default settings for me were very noticeable.

post #152 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crussell8 View Post
 

 

srg914 - I guess I should set mine to 7 too just in case.

 

 

As far as the motion blur, with that setting, when you watch a sitcom and the actors hands or heads move quickly, you don't notice any disturbance or anything?  Did you notice an issue before you adjusted to that setting?  The default settings for me were very noticeable.

No...no disturbance...I put these settings from the start so I don't know what it would have looked like without them...

post #153 of 289
I'm going to read this thread but in the meantime does anyone care to weigh in on the 55" 71 series Sammy? I'm contemplating buying one for $1,499. Or a toshiba 58 L7350 for $899 that seems like a good buy. Any input is appreciated . Thanks Chris
post #154 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by srg914 View Post

I've got clouds in all four corners..as per Samsung I've set the backlight to 7 and giving it a few weeks.  As far as the motion blur, I've got auto motion = custom, Blur = 10, Judder = 0, LED Clear Motion = on.  I have no issues with motion blur.


It's amazing. It tried your settings and still got motion blur. I have to have all these settings off not to get it. I just don't understand.
Edited by Crussell8 - 12/4/13 at 7:18pm
post #155 of 289

Well I got a few days before I can't return this TV to best buy. You guys think I should try another shot at a panel? I guess I could get used to this flashlighting thing as it's not anoying unless all th elights are off, but man. Watching star wars will be a pain in the butt.

 

Other than that I love this set...feels a lot like a plasma if not for those stupid clouds surrounding the pretty blacks.

 

Anybody seeing any results having the backlight turned down?

post #156 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by elpato54 View Post
 

Well I got a few days before I can't return this TV to best buy. You guys think I should try another shot at a panel? I guess I could get used to this flashlighting thing as it's not anoying unless all th elights are off, but man. Watching star wars will be a pain in the butt.

 

Other than that I love this set...feels a lot like a plasma if not for those stupid clouds surrounding the pretty blacks.

 

Anybody seeing any results having the backlight turned down?

No results...pretty sure I'll be exchanging the set.  I'm in the same boat.  Watched a movie last night in a dark room and and the dark scenes were impossible to watch.  Do I order the same model and just hope I get lucky?  Been doing a lot of research and it seems that Samsungs are known to be one of the worst offenders when it comes to this flashlighting/clouding problem.  But the LED technology is basically flawed and any LED TV can have this issue to some degree.  When people post and ask if this is normal, I laugh.  Would it be normal if you bought a refrigerator and it didn't keep your food cold, would you ask if this is normal?  We are spending upwards of $2k for these sets...I expect it to work and work beautifully.  Plasmas have their own set of issues, if I were to buy one I'd only get it at Best Buy and get their extended warranty since it does cover ir and burn-in.  This whole experience has left me extremely frustrated and disgusted.

post #157 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by srg914 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by elpato54 View Post
 

Well I got a few days before I can't return this TV to best buy. You guys think I should try another shot at a panel? I guess I could get used to this flashlighting thing as it's not anoying unless all th elights are off, but man. Watching star wars will be a pain in the butt.

 

Other than that I love this set...feels a lot like a plasma if not for those stupid clouds surrounding the pretty blacks.

 

Anybody seeing any results having the backlight turned down?

No results...pretty sure I'll be exchanging the set.  I'm in the same boat.  Watched a movie last night in a dark room and and the dark scenes were impossible to watch.  Do I order the same model and just hope I get lucky?  Been doing a lot of research and it seems that Samsungs are known to be one of the worst offenders when it comes to this flashlighting/clouding problem.  But the LED technology is basically flawed and any LED TV can have this issue to some degree.  When people post and ask if this is normal, I laugh.  Would it be normal if you bought a refrigerator and it didn't keep your food cold, would you ask if this is normal?  We are spending upwards of $2k for these sets...I expect it to work and work beautifully.  Plasmas have their own set of issues, if I were to buy one I'd only get it at Best Buy and get their extended warranty since it does cover ir and burn-in.  This whole experience has left me extremely frustrated and disgusted.


I don't know about your last comment on plasma. I have owned a plasma for last 3+ yrs, the whole issue of IR and burn in these days is pretty much non existent. I have just purchased a Sharp 70" LE757 over the Samsung 65" 7100. One of the reasons you mentioned but I am aware I will probably experience it with my Sharp. I bought the LED for the size as I need it in our new home, I could not get 70" w the same features in plasma for the same price, as I paid $2100 for it plus tax and doubled manufacture warranty via my visa card here in Canada, a smoking deal.

I tried LED 3 yrs ago in a 55" and returned it for my Samsung 58" plasma. Now there is a chance I will be keeping the 58" and using it in our bedroom. It will be interesting to compare but imho plasma is still the better option if you can get equivalent size for the same dollar.

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
post #158 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by cisco kid View Post


I don't know about your last comment on plasma. I have owned a plasma for last 3+ yrs, the whole issue of IR and burn in these days is pretty much non existent. I have just purchased a Sharp 70" LE757 over the Samsung 65" 7100. One of the reasons you mentioned but I am aware I will probably experience it with my Sharp. I bought the LED for the size as I need it in our new home, I could not get 70" w the same features in plasma for the same price, as I paid $2100 for it plus tax and doubled manufacture warranty via my visa card here in Canada, a smoking deal.

I tried LED 3 yrs ago in a 55" and returned it for my Samsung 58" plasma. Now there is a chance I will be keeping the 58" and using it in our bedroom. It will be interesting to compare but imho plasma is still the better option if you can get equivalent size for the same dollar.

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

I have been considering a plasma...but I got into the Panasonic st-c60s60 forum and you will see what I'm talking about.  Btw, the Samsung 60 inch I have has a Sharp panel.  All the UN60F7100's  from Samsung use a HH01 panel which is made by Sharp as far as I know.

post #159 of 289

Due to the auto motion blus not working correctly and the clouding, I would be tempted to exchange mine and hope the replacement set worked better.  However, I wasn't thinking clearly when I set up the tv.  While I still have the box, I threw out all the packaging from the inside of the box.  I assume this means I am stuck?

post #160 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crussell8 View Post

Due to the auto motion blus not working correctly and the clouding, I would be tempted to exchange mine and hope the replacement set worked better.  However, I wasn't thinking clearly when I set up the tv.  While I still have the box, I threw out all the packaging from the inside of the box.  I assume this means I am stuck?


Probably, would suck to pack it up haul it down to store only to leave w tail between legs. Be very nice if ya try and good luck!

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
post #161 of 289

I placed call #2 to Samsung.  They told me that Auto Motion Plus can sometimes make things worst and to turn it off.  I am not in love with this, but the picture does look fine without Auto Motion Plus - so I guess I can live with it.

 

The clouding, I got the same response.  Leave backlight on 7 for a few weeks and it should correct itself.

 

Since I was foolish to not save the packaging, I am going to accept the Auto Motion situation, and do the backlighting on 7 routine.  The mentioned if it didn't improve they could send out a technician.  Given that I don't have original packaging, that appears to be my best bet.

post #162 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crussell8 View Post
 

I placed call #2 to Samsung.  They told me that Auto Motion Plus can sometimes make things worst and to turn it off.  I am not in love with this, but the picture does look fine without Auto Motion Plus - so I guess I can live with it.

 

The clouding, I got the same response.  Leave backlight on 7 for a few weeks and it should correct itself.

 

Since I was foolish to not save the packaging, I am going to accept the Auto Motion situation, and do the backlighting on 7 routine.  The mentioned if it didn't improve they could send out a technician.  Given that I don't have original packaging, that appears to be my best bet.

Good luck...I am going to wait It out a couple of weeks and probably exchange it for the same model as some are very pleased and have no backlighting issues.  Thank goodness for amazon, they have a 30 day return policy, no questions asked.  All I have to do is pack up the old one, they come with the new one and take the old, no charge.  Who knows, I may be getting a new tv every 30 days until I get one that I'm satisfied with, whether Samsung or another brand.

post #163 of 289
There is never perfection, not with an LED, plasma is as close as it gets, I just hope I don't end up eating those words once I have my Sharp LE757 up and running in new house!

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
post #164 of 289

Well, I got a return coming next week, same TV, hopefully less clouding. On that note, the clouding IS starting to calm down a bit.

 

So I feel like an idiot asking this, but why can't I access game mode on it? It's always blacked out and says "That function isn't availible" What in the TV doesn't allow you to access game mode. You'd think they'd have a troubleshooting box for this, but NOPE!

 

Edit: nm, I was naming my inputs last night and set my PC to "PC" on the input. So game mode gets blurred out automatically because it assumes it's always game mode.


Edited by elpato54 - 12/5/13 at 11:25pm
post #165 of 289

Some odd developments on the clouding issue. It has gone down, but if you want it gone on one input at least-setting your computer's HDMI to "PC-DVI" will make a screen cloud free! Yep, you get a little glow on the edges (like normal LED fashion) but it isn't NEAR as distracting as the nice pyschological white splotches you have everywhere else. If anyone figures out how to get it gone for good off a different input/picture change post it up.

 

btw, game mode on this thing is incredible. Unless you are REALLY finicky about timing it works great. I played Contra III on it and didn't have a hitch with the platforming at all.

post #166 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by srg914 View Post

Good luck...I am going to wait It out a couple of weeks and probably exchange it for the same model as some are very pleased and have no backlighting issues.  Thank goodness for amazon, they have a 30 day return policy, no questions asked.  All I have to do is pack up the old one, they come with the new one and take the old, no charge.  Who knows, I may be getting a new tv every 30 days until I get one that I'm satisfied with, whether Samsung or another brand.

I amusing the calibration settings for my UN46F7100 from:http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-f7100-picture-settings.html and had the cloud issues on the edges though not as bad as some others. I lowered the backlight level from 16 to 7 and it helped diminish the flashlight/cloud issue (at least on my set). I am in Movie mode. I briefly changed it to Standard mode and it also seemed to go away. But in that mode, all my preset levels were gone since they were set in Movie Mode.
post #167 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by srg914 View Post

Thank goodness for amazon, they have a 30 day return policy, no questions asked.  All I have to do is pack up the old one, they come with the new one and take the old, no charge.  Who knows, I may be getting a new tv every 30 days until I get one that I'm satisfied with, whether Samsung or another brand.

So you mean that there is no incurred shipping charge to you when you return a TV to Amazon?

UPDATE:

I Just looked at the Amazon.com website to find where is actually states that return shipping is paid for by Amazon for a replacement item and could not find it. i then called customer support (888-280-4331) and asked them the same question. The representative could not find it either but stated that, yes they do cover the cost of return shipping. But me being me, I need to see that in writing. The representative understood what I needed to see and then called his supervisior for more help. The supervision stated that the return shipping cost that is paid by Amazon is not stated on their website and asked the representive to compose and send me an email, which I received, that states that any return shipping charges will be paid for my Amazon.
Edited by CaptMike - 12/6/13 at 6:54am
post #168 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptMike View Post


So you mean that there is no incurred shipping charge to you when you return a TV to Amazon?

UPDATE:

I Just looked at the Amazon.com website to find where is actually states that return shipping is paid for by Amazon for a replacement item and could not find it. i then called customer support (888-280-4331) and asked them the same question. The representative could not find it either but stated that, yes they do cover the cost of return shipping. But me being me, I need to see that in writing. The representative understood what I needed to see and then called his supervisior for more help. The supervision stated that the return shipping cost that is paid by Amazon is not stated on their website and asked the representive to compose and send me an email, which I received, that states that any return shipping charges will be paid for my Amazon.

Yep...amazon is number one in customer service, imho.  Their normal return/exchange policy is 30 days, but because of the holidays, purchases made between now and dec. 31 can be returned/exchanged until jan.31, 2014.

post #169 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by elpato54 View Post
 

Some odd developments on the clouding issue. It has gone down, but if you want it gone on one input at least-setting your computer's HDMI to "PC-DVI" will make a screen cloud free! Yep, you get a little glow on the edges (like normal LED fashion) but it isn't NEAR as distracting as the nice pyschological white splotches you have everywhere else. If anyone figures out how to get it gone for good off a different input/picture change post it up.

 

btw, game mode on this thing is incredible. Unless you are REALLY finicky about timing it works great. I played Contra III on it and didn't have a hitch with the platforming at all.

 

Refresh my memory, did you have backlight on 7 and if so, how long before you saw results?

post #170 of 289
OK... I returned my UN65F7100 to the store. I'm now looking for a replacement.

For the money, I was hoping for more than it was giving. I may have to wait another yet another year to get a decent price and improved features.

<...sigh...>
post #171 of 289

I decided to exchange the UN60F7100 (amazon) for the same model hoping I'll get lucky and get a good one as some have.  Got on chat with amazon and said I wanted to exchange for same model but would they honor the price I originally paid which was 1599 (black Friday deal).  TV is now selling for 1898.  He asked was I having a problem or I just wanted another TV....duh...I said big problem...clouding/flashlighting in all four corners and middle bottom.  He said they would honor the 1599 price.  When he checked there were none in stock so he asked if I wanted something comparable.  I had him check and he offered me the Vizio 65 inch M series for the same 1599 price.  That tv is selling for 1750.  I asked if I have a problem with the vizio and want to try the Samsung again would I still pay the 1599?  He said yes.  I had a copy of the chat transcript e-mailed to me just in case.  I figure what do I have to lose...if the vizio is bad I can try the Samsung again, or LG. etc.  Amazon's customer support has always been top notch as far as I'm concerned.  Getting the vizio on Thursday...keeping my fingers crossed.

post #172 of 289
The TV comes with V1113.x firmware. Mine updated as soon as it was hooked up to internet and turned on for 1st set up, but it went to v1113.x there is a new firmware update 1117.xx that says it gives a better picture and other stuff. I suggest trying it. I'm about to now.. The Cnet settings don't quite work for me and the ones a couple post above with back light at 16 I'm not even going to try. 16 backlight makes me think either this dude is wrong or that he post the calibration settings before he calibrated it. Best to use the disk and the expert settings images and the rgb to get it right in your environment. I'm no pro though..
post #173 of 289
What calibration methods are you guys using? Free hand? Disc? Professional?

Also, on the old HDNet channel there used to be a test signal that came on in the wee hours in the morning. It was about 10 min long and walked you through a calibration (more or less). Anyone know if this still comes on AXSTV?
post #174 of 289
I just picked up the 46 inch version of this set. I loved the bezel in the store. Anyway ... I have not seen and led set with better reviews at this price point. I really don't need all the features .. JUst good picture quality ... This thread has given me a dubious feeling. My last set was an older Sony Bravia (the one with the glass frame) I loved that set.

I was hoping that this set would be better in regards to motion blur etc.

Has anyone fallen in love with this set yet ?
post #175 of 289
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelGrade View Post

Main Picture Menu:
- Picture Mode: Movie (set this before any of the rest!!)
- Backlight: 10-20 (based on preference and ambient light in room, you can change this at the end to your liking)
- Contrast: 100
- Brightness: 52
- Sharpness: 60
- Color: 51
- Tint: G50/R50 (center)
- Picture Size: Screen Fit (otherwise you could very well lose some pixels)
Advanced Settings:
- Dynamic Contrast: Off
- Black Tone: off
- Flesh Tone: -5
- RGB Only Mode: Off
- Color Space: Custom
--- Red: 61, 0, 0
--- Green: 0, 50, 0
--- Blue: 0, 8, 54
--- Yelow: 89, 77, 0
--- Cyan: 0, 50, 50
--- Magenta: 53, 0, 50
- White Balanace:
--- R-Offset: 23
--- G-Offset: 18
--- B-Offset: 22
--- R-Gain: 22
--- G-Gain: 31
--- B-Gain: 26
- Gamma: +1
- 10p White Balance: Off (trust me, not worth it!! Unless you have a professional calibration tool)
Picture options:
- Color Tone: Warm2
- Digital Clean View: Auto
- MPEG Noice Filter: Off (removes details from many scenes)
- HDMI Black Level: Low
- Auto Motion Plus: Standard
- Cinema Black: Medium


Try these settings, I found it in an Amazon.com review of the UN55f7100 that people thought was very helpful but it's ultimately up to you to decide. I tried it out and I thought it was pretty decent.

I made some adjustments and I think the overall image is much better.

Set the color to warm1, the dynamic contrast to high, and the brightness to 39.
post #176 of 289
I am seriously considering this TV- Ive read the good and the bad in this forum- but still hard to get an overall feel- This seem to hit all the points I am looking for, should I get this- biggrin.gif? Or any comparable suggestions biggrin.gif
post #177 of 289
hi taurus,

like you, I spent months and months researching the "best" tv. When I narrowed my options down, it was between the 7100 and a plasma. What it came down to, for me, was that if I go LCD, I get problem set "A", and if I go with plasma I get problem set "B". And this was true for any manufacturer - it was just a matter of which company I could gamble on as far as having the least amount of problems.

If I had a media blackout room - with no windows, I would have gone with plasma. Given their advancements in addressing previous deficiencies, and the better picture - that would have been my choice. However, I have a normal living room with normal windows, that gets bright during the day. Therefore I went with LCD.

The 7100 is a great TV. But for me, it's not perfect. However those imperfections are FAR away from me being concerned. I'll go over the pros and cons for my 7100 and my experience.

Pros:
Picture: great bright picture! The colors are amazing. And like one website stated (forgot which one), the "movie mode" is almost a near-perfect factory preset for color representation.
Gaming: I've had the ps3 and ps4 hooked up to it via a yamaha receiver. There is 0 lag that my brain can detect. I AM NOT using a game mode setting. I'm playing pinball, assassins creed, killzone, batman arkham origins, etc.. all just fine! I notice NOTHING concerning game lag time. The was a big plus for me. In fact, I was surprised I didn't have to change anything on the tv for games smile.gif
The set itself: beautiful. The brushed metal frame makes the tv pop as a piece of furniture. I never realized how much I hate the standard black plastic bezels.
The black levels: In my opinion... AWESOME (for an edge lit led). However, I'm coming off of a sony rear projection where the blacks were grayish. So my opinion is amateurish. But review sites seemed to like the black levels - so I'm sure they are good.
Smart TV feature: no clue on that. I use roku, plex, and apple tv on this unit. What I do know is a few seconds after I plugged the TV in an ethernet port it was downloading firmware updates.

If I'm forgetting something, just ask.

The Cons:
You're probably here to learn about these topics: clouding, flash lighting, light leaking, and the display angle. Remember, this is MY experience in the game of "LCD roulette"
Clouding: yes - I have it. The tv seems to have 2 black modes. One where the LEDs turns off, and one where it is illuminating the color black. You will see the former when switching to a commercial break, for example, and the latter during something like movie credits - and this is where I see clouding. My clouding extends in a dull band from the left middle-edge to the right middle-edge with various breaks. I have NEVER had the clouding interfere with tv or movie watching or gaming - EVER. You simply don't see it when the TV is being actively used. My only concern would possibly be for a movie like "Gravity". But even then, I doubt I would notice it much. You can read up on tips to lessen the clouding. I would consider mine noticeable enough to see it, but faint enough to not worry about it and go through the hassle of a return. Also, none of my friends have noticed it - so who cares.
Display angle: I guess it's in line with LED in general. I'd say about 30 degrees on each side before washing out? I thought it would be a concern for me, but it has not been.

Flash Lighting: NONE (as I understand the problem and seen pictures of flash lighting)
Light leaking: NONE

Other concerns:
Issues with different aspect ratios and cropping; none. I think I'm using "fill to screen" mode - or whatever it's called. Everything is displayed correctly
Issues with running everything going through my yamaha receiver: none
the 3d: it's actually pretty cool - but I never use it.

I did post one problem of the display flickering on me. You can find my post. But it's only happened 3 times in 8 months, and the fix was to just turn off/on the TV (it's like the led's got confused what state they were in).

To answer your question directly: Do not hold me to this, but, if you were a good friend of mine I would recommend this TV and I would advise you to buy it if your budget allowed. But it's still ultimately up to you. Prepare yourself for NOT getting a perfect 7100. Remember, this is LCD roulette. You know my problems, so maybe compare your set to my set.

Good luck
post #178 of 289

As far as LEDs are concerned at this price, it's worth the money. I did plan on buying the Panasonic plasma that came out but the input lag is horrendous. With gaming in mind I went with this and the size combined with the price makes this one of the best gaming TVs for the money. Sure there's the Sony that is a lot better, but it isn't in 60'. 

 

If you are going to do gaming of any sort this is the TV to get. While I'd recommend the Panny plasma while it's still out if you aren't doing gaming at all, you can do a lot worse than this for the price. It's worth every penny. Basically my issues are what Bruno mentioned. 

 

Other cons: 

 

Remote SUCKS. Like one of the worst ever. I don't think I ever operated my cable box from it. 

 

Sound issues-I've found the sound likes to skip around a bit, but that could be a connection problem. 

 

The flicker. For some reason the microphone voice icon flickers on when you first turn the TV on, but again that could be on my end and not the TV manufacterer. 

post #179 of 289
I upgraded to version 18 from 16 today and I also have the web camera attached. I noticed that when I load any apps it automatically turns on the camera and motion control. The motion control does seem to work better with this firmware but I still don't like to leave the camera on all the time. Unfortunately after leaving the apps the camera and motion control stays on. You then go into the menu and it says motion control is off. I have to turn it on and off again to get the camera to go off. It also turns on the camera when changing sources. This is unacceptable. Anyone else seeing this with version 18 and the web camera.
Edited by Jeff S - 12/29/13 at 5:26pm
post #180 of 289

How can I find my Game Mode on my UN60F7100? I can't seem to find it. My cable is in hdmi 1, blu-ray in hdmi 2, and xbox 360 in hdmi 3. Where do you go to find game mode? Thanks!

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: LCD Flat Panel Displays
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official Samsung F7100 Owners Thread