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post #31 of 43
Just because the head park time is 8 seconds doesn't mean it will park every 8 seconds, or 5 minutes for that matter. There *are* however some cases where they do. Mine is one such case in a WHS which seems to poll the drives constantly at rates such that as soon as they park they spin up again. It may be one of the plugins installed. I've never been able to conclusively track the service or app that does it down.

As I said before I've monitored the load cycle count in service in the application where the green drives are used. In my case the load cycle count increases at a rate guaranteed to exceed the lifetime design spec for load cycle of 300,000 in a little over a year. Given that, I choose to change it. If anyone had the same conditions as me I would recommend changing the idle time to park. It's likely you do not have those conditions.
post #32 of 43
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I am also batting 100%. All original wd green drives fully operational.

We have used green, black and red drives. No real issues with any of them to be honest. Purchase the best bang for the buck regardless of color.

It is true^.

I'd buy GREEN @ 25$ per TB all day long... lol.


But, ... they are seldom a good value anymore these days. They are older in design, less robust in performance, and possibly more suspect in reliability. Therefore I take offense and issue to the universal blanket recommendation of them, as I generally feel there exists much better choices today in 2013.

It's not as if WD GREEN are total crap, but rather that there now exists better alternatives. Awareness on this is all I seek. It's just my personal opinion but I like to share it with others because I feel I am correct. The secondary issue of headparking, reliability, not being recommended for use in a server or NAS is all just extra reason why GREEN might not be a good choice for everyone.
post #33 of 43
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It is true^.

I'd buy GREEN @ 25$ per TB all day long... lol.


But, ... they are seldom a good value anymore these days. They are older in design, less robust in performance, and possibly more suspect in reliability. Therefore I take offense and issue to the universal blanket recommendation of them, as I generally feel there exists much better choices today in 2013.

It's not as if WD GREEN are total crap, but rather that there now exists better alternatives. Awareness on this is all I seek. It's just my personal opinion but I like to share it with others because I feel I am correct. The secondary issue of headparking, reliability, not being recommended for use in a server or NAS is all just extra reason why GREEN might not be a good choice for everyone.

Let's come back to reality and fact for a second as this thread is full of misinformation.

Seagate drives also use headparking (which not even 1 person has mentioned in this thread) and thus likewise might "not be recommended for use in a server or NAS" for the same reasons as a Green. This only applies to hardware RAID servers, btw, as for a software based RAID servers it doesn't matter at all.

Also, similar to your hatred for WD Green there are those on this and other forums that think that Seagate is crap and the worst in reliability (I don't share this opinion as, again, I think its a complete crapshoot nowadays).

So, again, do you really know what is going on inside your hard drive? Can you make the blanket statement that ALL Seagates, WD, Hitachis, etc are the exact same even within a given model?

My guess is that you cannot. So while a Green drive may not be the "best" drive anymore (especially for bang-for-the-buck) they are not "total crap" which you actually have stated before --- although now you seem to be backtracking a little. They are still a fine option for media storage and playback.

So those of you currently using Greens with no issues keep using them like I am as there is no need to rush out and get a replacement as the sky is not falling. I am not rushing out to replace them until one of them eventually dies. And then I will choose whatever is the best bang for the buck. As I stated I don't care if its WD, Seagate, Hitachi, Green, Red,etc.
post #34 of 43
I'm trying to replace my old drives BEFORE they die. My old drives do happen to be WD Greens. I've been retiring them to backup and other duties so when they die I just lose some backup archive which isn't that big of a deal.
post #35 of 43
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

I'm trying to replace my old drives BEFORE they die. My old drives do happen to be WD Greens. I've been retiring them to backup and other duties so when they die I just lose some backup archive which isn't that big of a deal.


I am doing the same
post #36 of 43
Most of the time I am installing a new HDD/SSD it is either replacing an existing drive or it is a boot drive for a new system. In in the case of a replacement drive I am happy with the large data copy from the old drive to the new drive being sufficient as a "test". For a new boot drive the install process serves the same purpose. For me that is enough of a burn in test.
post #37 of 43
The only drives I have ever had consistent troubles with, have been Maxtor. (and the old IBM Deathstars) And that's not just from personal use - I know people that work in PC repair shops, and those were consistently the least reliable drives for them.

After Seagate had major firmware issues with their first... 1TB drives? (I think it was them? Maybe 1.5TB?) I switched over to Western Digital, and they have served me well so far.
Now that Maxtor is Seagate, I don't think I would take another chance with them.

Hitachi drives seem to have been quite reliable lately, and they are often very well priced.
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Originally Posted by glorpsd View Post

Just because the head park time is 8 seconds doesn't mean it will park every 8 seconds, or 5 minutes for that matter. There *are* however some cases where they do. Mine is one such case in a WHS which seems to poll the drives constantly at rates such that as soon as they park they spin up again. It may be one of the plugins installed. I've never been able to conclusively track the service or app that does it down.
Parking the head is not the same thing as spinning down the platters. (and you actually want a drive to do that if it's in a notebook for example)
post #38 of 43
Parking the head is not a bad thing. It's the combo of lower endurance on the GREEN WD and the aggressive nature of intellipark causing excessive amount of on/off cycles that is the issue.

Green drives are fine drives but they are proven to be less durable than others, the MFG does not recommend them for 24/7 use in server or NAS box, for this reason and provides less warranty.
post #39 of 43
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Parking the head is not a bad thing. It's the combo of lower endurance on the GREEN WD and the aggressive nature of intellipark causing excessive amount of on/off cycles that is the issue.

Green drives are fine drives but they are proven to be less durable than others, the MFG does not recommend them for 24/7 use in server or NAS box, for this reason and provides less warranty.

The Seagates also park after 30 seconds. I was running a SMART monitor that would ping the hard drive every minute so my load cycle shot up like crazy on my Seagate. I have since stopped running SMART monitoring.
post #40 of 43
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Parking the head is not a bad thing. It's the combo of lower endurance on the GREEN WD and the aggressive nature of intellipark causing excessive amount of on/off cycles that is the issue.

Green drives are fine drives but they are proven to be less durable than others, the MFG does not recommend them for 24/7 use in server or NAS box, for this reason and provides less warranty.

The Seagates also park after 30 seconds. I was running a SMART monitor that would ping the hard drive every minute so my load cycle shot up like crazy on my Seagate. I have since stopped running SMART monitoring.

Yes. I've said this before that disabling smart monitoring is actually a good thing.
post #41 of 43
Thread Starter 
I just ran WDeedle on all my green drives. Will keep an eye on LLC to see if it makes much difference.
post #42 of 43
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Originally Posted by amarshonarbangla View Post

I just ran WDeedle on all my green drives. Will keep an eye on LLC to see if it makes much difference.

Did you read your smart data ???
post #43 of 43
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Did you read your smart data ???

Yup, the head parking has gone down SIGNIFICANTLY than before.
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