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post #61 of 2055
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Originally Posted by Mike99 View Post

FWIW the UN50ES6150 I tried had a panel which started with a "C", but I don't recall the rest. It had a terrible vertical viewing angle. If I stood up the picture would get washed out. I noticed this because I made some adjustments on the floor & on the TV stand and the black levels were quite a bit different between the two. I didn't pay too much attention to the horizontal because I sit in front of the set.

I now have a UN46ES6150 with a TS01 panel & it's viewing angles are a lot better, especially the vertical. Of course that's not a big deal because I don't standup to watch TV. The point being there really does appear to be a difference between panels.

The downside is the UN46ES6150 has a got a lot of uneven lighting when looking at gray fields from a test disc. So I'm thinking about getting a UN46F6350 and Costco by me has these with TS01 versions.

My 2012 ES6500 was a Cxxx panel, and my 2013 F6400 is a TS01. I had the same experience with the Cxxx panel as you did. The viewing angle on my TS01 is noticeably better.

Its still not great (PVAs are just weak in that regard), but its definitely better than the C panel.
post #62 of 2055
No calibration settings yet?
post #63 of 2055
So what panel should I be looking for on a un60f6300, or a un60f6400? All this talk is a little confusing.

Is there a ranking for the panels listed, or just try too avoid certain ones?

And where is the info on the boxes at Best Buy? Is it like 3-4 years ago when the outside white sticker used to tell you the panel that was being used on the tv?
post #64 of 2055
Yes. The white sticker on the box has a version number on it, among other things. That version number will tell you what panel it is, assuming that it matches the version number on the sticker on the TV itself, and that both match the panel type listed in the service menu.

I've owned 3 Samsung 50" and 55" TVs, and the version numbers have always matched. The only way they wouldn't is if the wrong TV was in the wrong box (like its been returned, exchanged, etc., and put it a different box).
post #65 of 2055
i bought the 65" 6350 at Costco. Panel is MS01, whoever makes that. I dont know if i just got lucky, but my panel shows no clouding and barely any light bleed. In fact, its probably one of the best I've seen compared to other peoples pics on the forums, even the higher models like the 7100 and 8000. Is everyone else's 6350 panels this good? My only complaint is i do see slight banding when watching hockey and golf, and only the AMP setting of CLEAR gets the best Judder/Blur reduction, but does not get rid of it 100%. I think Samsung has issues with their AMP settings on the 2013 6, 7, and 8 series. However, the overall good viewing angle( not great but i dont think great viewing angles exist on these edge lit LED's), excellent colors, no clouding, barely any light bleed, far outweighs those two small issues for me. coming from plasmas, I absolutely cannot stand light bleed when watching a black letterbox movie.

GAMING UPDATE: played a lot of COD MW3 and Black Ops and Arkham City this weekend. I didn't notice any lag at all, and I didnt even bother using GAME mode. Very responsive.


Shots below taken at night, all lights off:

Letterbox bars blend right in with bezel


All black screen at start of any given Sunday...the blur is from me not holding the camera steady







credits screen


Here are my settings:

STANDARD
Backlight 9
Contrast 90
Brightness 40
Sharpness 20
Color 52
Tint G48 R52
Dynamic Contrast LOW
Black Tone DARK
Color Space AUTO
White Balance - Factory, didnt mess with it
Gamma -1
Motion Lighting OFF
Color Tone WARM 1
Digital Clean View OFF
MPEG Noise OFF
HDMI Black Level LOW
AMP - CLEAR
Edited by scooter520 - 6/17/13 at 12:42am
post #66 of 2055

Scooter,

Got a great looking set there, congrats and thanks for posting the pics. Good luck with it!smile.gif

post #67 of 2055
Yesterday I auditioned a 65" 6350, panel code MS01, in BJ'S, and I thought it was the best looking set in the store. I didn't think the (reasonable) off angle viewing was bad either, and in fact looked to be much better than the nearby Vizio and Sharp TVs.

Question: are there ANY differences at all between the Costco/BJ 6350 and the 6300 in other stores?
post #68 of 2055
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Originally Posted by Frank_K View Post

Yesterday I auditioned a 65" 6350, panel code MS01, in BJ'S, and I thought it was the best looking set in the store. I didn't think the (reasonable) off angle viewing was bad either, and in fact looked to be much better than the nearby Vizio and Sharp TVs.

Question: are there ANY differences at all between the Costco/BJ 6350 and the 6300 in other stores?

If you can, you should try to get the 6350 at Costco, as it will give you an extra year of warranty. If not, I believe the 6300 and 6350 are the same TV. I agree with you on viewing angle, as the 6300/50 and 7100 were side by side at Best Buy and Costco, and the 7100 washed out much quicker than the 6350.
post #69 of 2055
I believe the T panels have the better angle, they are from Samsung/Sony and only available in 40", 46" and 55". I bought a 7050 and it's very good, again from CostCo 55"
post #70 of 2055
Just out of my own curiosity. I have had Samsung LCD/LED TV's for the past 5 years or so and was wondering:

Does the MUTE 1-8-2-POWER still get you in the Service Menu's of the TV's, and is there still an area within that Service Menu that shows how many HOURS the TV has been used?

Just wondering. I like to buy USED TV's(much Cheaper), and if I can find out the MILEAGE(HOURS USED), that makes me feel much more comfortable in my used purchase.

Personally, I think there should be an "hours used" option in the regular menu for people to see, and it should be the LAW. I would never buy a USED CAR without knowing the mileage on it. Would any of you? smile.gif
post #71 of 2055
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Originally Posted by STEELERSRULE View Post

Just out of my own curiosity. I have had Samsung LCD/LED TV's for the past 5 years or so and was wondering:

Does the MUTE 1-8-2-POWER still get you in the Service Menu's of the TV's, and is there still an area within that Service Menu that shows how many HOURS the TV has been used?

Just wondering. I like to buy USED TV's(much Cheaper), and if I can find out the MILEAGE(HOURS USED), that makes me feel much more comfortable in my used purchase.

Personally, I think there should be an "hours used" option in the regular menu for people to see, and it should be the LAW. I would never buy a USED CAR without knowing the mileage on it. Would any of you? smile.gif

Excellent point. I completely agree. Although I would not like a person coming through to chekc out my used tv for sale and going in my service menu smile.gif

(That is still the correct way to get to the service menu.
post #72 of 2055
Purchased this Samsung 60" LED TV from costco.
Please help me to decode this model codes? Which factory make this panel?
Model code: UN60F6350AFXZA
Version No: HS01
Made in Tijuana Mexico - SAMEX

sorry, could not figure how to paste picture to this forum, even after I have "Import Image" enable?
Edited by young707 - 6/17/13 at 8:36am
post #73 of 2055
Sharp makes the H panels from what I've read.
post #74 of 2055
I've been a lurker around these forums as of lately since I'm in the market for a new TV, and just wondering how people are enjoying the picture quality on this TV so far? Seems like the majority of people are getting the F7100. I'm debating between 6350, 6400, and 7100 models in the 55". Just wondering if the 7100 is really worth the extra $600.
post #75 of 2055
After playing with the F8000 yesterday at BestBuy, I must say the "Cinema Black" feature that darkens the black bars works great. In Tron, moving a few degrees off center, you could see the black bars really lighten. Activating Cinema Black made them stay much more consistent as off center viewing increases. The F7100 also has this feature, but not sure if it is worth $600. Also the F7100s just went up 300 dollars this week. The 60F7100 would be below 2k if not for the price jump. Other than the slimmer frame, the F6350 and F7100 in the 60 inch series both use H (Sharp) panels, so picture will probably be similar (except for the Cinema Black feature).
post #76 of 2055
Thanks lazyboy, appreciate the comparison! I'm getting the 55", from what I've been reading, it looks like the 46 and 55 panels are all samsung "T" panels, so hopefully off angle viewing should a little better.
post #77 of 2055
I do see a number of folks complaining about the Cinema Black feature in the F7100, saying with firmware update that dancing white squares may be created. It seems they are then setting Cinema Black to low or off....so you may want to view the F7100 thread and see what is going on.
post #78 of 2055
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Originally Posted by accordn2ryan View Post

Thanks lazyboy, appreciate the comparison! I'm getting the 55", from what I've been reading, it looks like the 46 and 55 panels are all samsung "T" panels, so hopefully off angle viewing should a little better.

A "little better", yes. But don't expect a huge improvement. Its definitely noticeable, but still very narrow even on the TS panels. If you're talking the other end of your couch, it makes a difference...but any farther than that and you'll be disappointed. If you're considering viewing angle PLUS the other reasons a TS panel is better, then its worth pursuing. But don't expect an IPS-style viewing angle from any 2013 Samsung, even the top of the line models.

The TS01 is definitely better than the Cxxx panel I had last year. The viewing angle isn't really much "wider", but on the Cxxx panel, once you got past a few degrees to the side, the top half of the screen was black and the bottom half was dark purple. So yes, I consider the TS01 better since at any angle the screen/color/contrast shift is at least uniform.

I love my F6400, but I'm being honest for the sake of people trying to decide what to spend their hard-earned money on. The truth is, ALL edge-lit VA panels just suck when it comes to viewing angles. Period. Samsung's S-PVA might be "better" than all the MVA types, but they're still narrow. And you CANNOT see it in the store in Dynamic mode under all the bright lights, no matter how hard you try. On the other hand, I could definitely see the shift on some of the TVs next to the Samsung (like the Vizio E series), so I assume they'd be even worse once I got them home...so I guess its relative.

I'm sorry man, but the manufacturers should've just stuck with LCD or direct-lit/full-array LEDs. The inherent flaws in "razor thin edge-lit LEDs" are just not worth the fact that they're less than 2" thin. As far as I can tell, that's the ONLY reason they're "better". After reading this forum and reviews for a year, I think the vast majority of people agree with me that a uniform panel with a decent viewing angle and NO flashlighting or clouding is worth an extra inch or two in thickness. No amount of "Smart" apps, 3D, and high-tech gimmicks can make up for those defects when you're spending over a $1000 on a TV.
post #79 of 2055
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Originally Posted by ewright27 View Post

A "little better", yes. But don't expect a huge improvement. Its definitely noticeable, but still very narrow even on the TS panels. If you're talking the other end of your couch, it makes a difference...but any farther than that and you'll be disappointed. If you're considering viewing angle PLUS the other reasons a TS panel is better, then its worth pursuing. But don't expect an IPS-style viewing angle from any 2013 Samsung, even the top of the line models.

The TS01 is definitely better than the Cxxx panel I had last year. The viewing angle isn't really much "wider", but on the Cxxx panel, once you got past a few degrees to the side, the top half of the screen was black and the bottom half was dark purple. So yes, I consider the TS01 better since at any angle the screen/color/contrast shift is at least uniform.

I love my F6400, but I'm being honest for the sake of people trying to decide what to spend their hard-earned money on. The truth is, ALL edge-lit VA panels just suck when it comes to viewing angles. Period. Samsung's S-PVA might be "better" than all the MVA types, but they're still narrow. And you CANNOT see it in the store in Dynamic mode under all the bright lights, no matter how hard you try. On the other hand, I could definitely see the shift on some of the TVs next to the Samsung (like the Vizio E series), so I assume they'd be even worse once I got them home...so I guess its relative.

I'm sorry man, but the manufacturers should've just stuck with LCD or direct-lit/full-array LEDs. The inherent flaws in "razor thin edge-lit LEDs" are just not worth the fact that they're less than 2" thin. As far as I can tell, that's the ONLY reason they're "better". After reading this forum and reviews for a year, I think the vast majority of people agree with me that a uniform panel with a decent viewing angle and NO flashlighting or clouding is worth an extra inch or two in thickness. No amount of "Smart" apps, 3D, and high-tech gimmicks can make up for those defects when you're spending over a $1000 on a TV.

I definitely hear ya on what to expect from any edge lit tv. I'm coming from the older LN46C6300 and I've enjoyed that even with some minor flashlighting. Just wondering why you went for the 55F6400 rather than the 6300 or 6350? Was it mainly for the 3D?
post #80 of 2055
There is one feature that is on the 6400 and not the 6300/6350 that affects picture quality and that is micro dimming. Has anyone actually been able to see the effect micro dimming has on the picture of the 6400 (and above) vs the 6300/6350?
post #81 of 2055
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Originally Posted by accordn2ryan View Post

I definitely hear ya on what to expect from any edge lit tv. I'm coming from the older LN46C6300 and I've enjoyed that even with some minor flashlighting. Just wondering why you went for the 55F6400 rather than the 6300 or 6350? Was it mainly for the 3D?

Well at 55" the difference was only like $100 when I bought it (F6400 was on sale). It was important to me because:

- Micro Dimming. This alone was worth the $100. It makes blacks, dark scenes, black pillarbox/letterbox bars, etc., look better. It also hides flashlighting or clouding and makes the panel look uniform. I got lucky and don't have any clouding, but there is minor flashlighting in two corners that I can only see if I turn the backlight and/or brightness way up. Also, there is no "blooming" with the Samsung Micro Dimming like there is on the new Vizios. In any case, you can effectively turn it off by turning the brightness up a couple of clicks, so I figured it was nice to have the option. Now that I've used it, I like it and leave it on.

- The CMR rate is 480 vs. 240. Both are native 120Hz panels, so on its own this doesn't really matter...but it doesn't hurt either.

- In 2012, the contrast ratio increased with every step up in model number. Samsung didn't list contrast ratios this year, but just in case...

- 3D and 3D Sound. I don't like Active 3D, so I don't use it much, but my daughter plays with it when she's here since a lot of kid movies have it. Also, the soundbar (HW-F450) and Blu-ray player (BD-F5900) I wanted came with 3D and 3D Sound, so I decided for $100 it was nice to have the option.

- Some of the features on other 2013 Samsung devices, like the HW-F450 soundbar and BD-F5900 Blu-ray player, only work with an F6400 or higher. Since I was buying the soundbar and blu-ray player with the TV, I wanted to make sure everything worked between devices.

- Other 2013 Samsung gimmicks, like SmartTouch Remote, Voice Interaction, Clone View, Sound Share, Bluetooth remote/soundbar, etc. The SmartTouch Remote turned out to be great once I got used to it, but I don't use the rest.

With the exception of Micro Dimming, I didn't really care about most of the above individually, but when I added them all up it appeared to be worth the extra $100.
post #82 of 2055
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Originally Posted by Frank_K View Post

There is one feature that is on the 6400 and not the 6300/6350 that affects picture quality and that is micro dimming. Has anyone actually been able to see the effect micro dimming has on the picture of the 6400 (and above) vs the 6300/6350?

Yes. See above. Like you said, it may be the only feature between the two that affects picture quality, but it definitely makes a difference. Also, in past years, the contrast ratio was higher with each step up in model. So I figured if the same was true this year, it would be worth it.

To be honest though, I compared the 55" 6300 and 6400 side-by-side at Best Buy with the same source and didn't see any noticeable difference in picture quality. But I knew I wanted Micro Dimming, 3D, etc., so I went with the 6400.
post #83 of 2055
Found this informative link on Micro Dimming.
Looking @ picture of LED without Local Dimming looked better then the full array with Local Dimming.
Looking on Samsungs site seems like Micro Dimming only on 3D models.
What is Local Dimming/Micro Dimming?
http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-local-dimming
What is Clear Motion Rate?
http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-the-refresh-rate
Review of Samsung F Series
http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/samsung
post #84 of 2055
I recently called Samsung to find out the differences between the 6300 and the 6350. After researching for an answer the agent indicated that the only difference was in the audio circuitry, and recommended the 6350. However, both TV's had identical specification details. So, I think the agent just couldn't find a good answer.
post #85 of 2055
Wondering if anyone can post their picture settings on the f6300 or f6350. I recently bought a 46inch and I can't settle on the settings I like the best. If anyone can post theirs for a reference I would appreciate it.
post #86 of 2055
Recently bought a 46" f6300 from the local appliance/electronics store. Fantastic display but had issues with wifi disconnecting at random. Very stable network here, never any issues with the cell phone or laptop. Exchanged it for another one, but think I got a bum unit.

Watching movies (Bluray source), 16:9 content, black bars at the top seem much brighter than the same content on the first tv. Played with the settings but got nowhere. Maybe third time's the charm.

Below are the settings I use - all the eco crap is turned off.

Picture mode: movie
backlight: 16
contrast: 95
brightness: 44
sharpness: 41
color: 47
tint: g48/r52

Advanced settings
dynamic contrast : low
blacktone: off
flash tone: 0
colorspace: auto
10p white balance off
gamma: +1
Motion lighting: off

White balance

R offset: 25
G offset: 25
B offset: 27
R gain: 19
G gain: 22
B gain: 21

Picture options

Color tone: warm2
digital clean view off
mpeg noise filter off
hdmi black level low
auto motion plus custom
...blur reduction 10
...judder reduction 0
...led clear motion off

I think that covers all the settings. Resulting picture and color quality is great (on this panel). Just the blacks are not black enough. Dialing down the brightness results in too dim a picture.
These calibration settings are a combo of the avs709 instruction and the settings from here: http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-f6300-picture-settings.html
post #87 of 2055
I just completed the update to get the new firmware and wanted to know if anyone knows what changes it made? Thank you.
post #88 of 2055
^^http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/UN46F6350AFXZA?tabContent=content2
Quote:
This firmware is for TV Model(s): LED F5500/F6300/F6350/F6400/F6800/F7050/F7100/F7150, PDP F5500
The version is 1105.7
This firmware update will improve the following:

- Solves Network Connection Issue with Wireless Router.

- Improves Picture Quality.

- Solves the issue Screen Mirroring does not work.

- Solves the issue Digital Clean View does not work correctly.
post #89 of 2055
so my F6300 just updated its software to 1105

Now the Amazon Instant App will not load

It looks like it starts to load but just gets stuck with the grey background and no Amazon Instant logo etc..

any suggestions
post #90 of 2055
Well I just bought this TV and used the settings found at http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-lcd-tv/samsung-f6300-picture-settings.html but they make everything look very yellow. Whites really aren't white at all, and faces are too orange/yellow. I don't know anything about picture settings but I tinkered around a little bit and it seems like major changes to green and blue gain help. Here are my White Balance settings, you can see how they suit you:

---Edit: See page 4 for newest settings.---

I know it seems extreme but I've looked at lots of different images/videos and they all look good to me at these settings. My go-to picture for calibrating things is this wallpaper from Farscape:
http://tvpedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/farscape-wallpaper-1.jpg

Balancing Chiana (the pale girl) with Zhaan (the blue chick) is a challenege.

Hope this helps you guys. I'll try out a few more things like the flesh tone setting and whatnot. I think these might have hurt my black levels a little bit but I'll look in to it more in a few days.
Edited by Nevermore0 - 7/7/13 at 4:33pm
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