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post #211 of 422
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And it's done. We signed the contract. We take delivery December of this year.
The devil has you now. mo-ha-ha-haa! wink.gif
post #212 of 422
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And it's done. We signed the contract. We take delivery December of this year.

Awesome news! Building a house is a lot of fun, and it sounds like this builder should be good at building this house as well, which should make things go that much smoother! Looking forward to updates!
post #213 of 422
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Awesome news! Building a house is a lot of fun, and it sounds like this builder should be good at building this house as well, which should make things go that much smoother! Looking forward to updates!

I was somewhat surprised that the builder said we could visit the property as often as once a week. I would think they would want us out of there until they're done. I also told the sales lady we were going to bring lawn chairs to the curb and just sit there all day and cheer on the workers - apparently they have had people who were onsite every single day telling the workers they were doing everything wrong. They gave them their money back and told them to go away.
post #214 of 422
If I hadn't visited every day when they built my house, there would have been so many more mistakes I'd have to live with. Just to mention one, my garage would have been 4 inches too narrow and the same distance off-centered.

Perhaps you have better legal rights to have things corrected, though - here they are allowed just to knock the price down if they consider it a too big job to fix it.
post #215 of 422
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well that's scary. smile.gif

I am banking on the fact that they build the same models of house over and over and over again that they will get this right without too much interference or fuss from me. They do have an A+ rating with our local business bureau even if their reputation with some realtors and other higher end builders is less than stellar.

At the prices they offer, though, it's really hard to care about all that.
post #216 of 422
Yeah, I was at my house at least once a day during construction, and even twice a day a lot of the time. We built a custom house, so it's a little different scenario, but when a question came up, I made sure to ask the subs how THEY would handle it. Those guys build these things everyday, and they do get feedback about what works and what doesn't. If we found something wrong, I didn't bother the subs, though. I went to our builder and let them take care of it. I stayed out of the subs way!

I can't imagine they will care if you are out there or not as long as you don't get in anyone's way. Going in with a smile on your face and asking the guys how they're doing, and making it a point to mention their work and appreciating what they were doing seemed to go a long way for us. I even had subs stop me from time to time and double check something they were doing to make sure it was how we wanted it.
post #217 of 422
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with me being 40 miles away at least 13 hours a day I'm not going to be able to get over there very much.
post #218 of 422
Bring beer and sandwiches to the guys building and they probably do everything just that fraction better than they might otherwise do.
post #219 of 422
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Bring beer and sandwiches to the guys building and they probably do everything just that fraction better than they might otherwise do.

Bring sandwiches , skip the beer. A professional won't drink on the job , and if one of them gets hurt post beer (even if not drunk) you will be sued. Either the worker or workers comp will come after you as well as the employer. Food , cold non alcoholic beverages and compliments on the parts you are happy with , if theres something you don't like or want changed , talk to your contact ( contractor , project manager) about it in a constructive way away from the workers . Don't tell the worker hes doing it wrong or to stop , use the chain of command to pass orders down the pipe. They work for the contractor , he works for you. I've been in the trade for over 20 years and the only time I've ever had a problem with the owner or his rep walking the job is when they try to tell me how to do the technical aspect of my job . Come see the progress , bask in the glory of what I create , hell , make changes , but understand changes cost . In the rare occasion that I've made a mistake , please point it out , correcting sooner is cheaper and easier for me.
You're paying for this place , check it out as much as you want , only people with something to hide don't want oversight , and those are the ones you need to watch the closest. Best of luck on your new house , I'm sure you're going to enjoy it.
post #220 of 422
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i neglected to mention I bought the Black and Decker electrical book from amazon - reading through now...
post #221 of 422
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Basement floor plan. Ignore where it says crawl. That will be full basement.

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so I'm back to this again. looking at whether to run the theater across the top of this drawing or down the side. Neither is ideal.

across the top there are two 10" high HVAC ducts that run the length of the room more or less 32" wide. Forgive my terrible narration...



But then running the theater down the side, I have two problems : 1) narrow (only about 6" narrower but still) and 2) that damn beam that runs the width of the house.



Just a reminder for those of you who have not been playing along the whole time, this is a spec house and NOT a custom builder so I can't simply say "move that" or "change that". The electrical box can (and probably will) be moved to the other side of the house so ignore that. The white box is for phone and Ethernet and should also be moved over behind the furnace. Also ignore the windows - I will have one window and it won't be there.

I am beginning to think that the short side of the house is the better option. The beam just interferes with where I have to mount the projector (I think) and possibly sight lines from the second row.

Knowing that the house is what it is - what do you think?
post #222 of 422
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i just noticed while watching the second video that the joists run along the room (if I'm going with option #2 and building my theater along the short side of the house at the foot of the stairs) not across it like i thought they did. Even with the beam and HVAC vent slicing the room in half that should make it easier to keep stuff in the ceiling like other HVAC and wiring.

also, I think I may have finally convinced my wife to turn the stairs in an effort to make the room wider. The problem will then be that big red pole about 5s into the second video. but as jeff has demonstrated, poles can be moved.
post #223 of 422
I didn't see it mentioned, but take a lot of pictures of the walls, ceiling, etc prior to drywall. If you can, have someone stand in the pictures for scale; it makes it much easier to find wires and plumbing in the future!! I spray painted warped studs, poorly aligned walls, etc so it stood out. Bright color spray paint grabs inspectors eyes and your own later down the line for punch list and price renegotiation. Being able to lay out a punch list with photos for the superintendent removed a lot of opportunity for argument. I also provided food to the various construction crews and especially the superintendent so they didn't think I was being a complete jerk. It's your money going into the house, inspect what you expect!
post #224 of 422
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so a couple things...

1) I'm only going to be able to visit the house on weekends due to my excessively long commute so I may miss some of the inspections
2) the basement will look more or less exactly as the video shows when I take delivery of the house because they don't do finished basements.

the good thing is that the township that we are moving into has a rather nasty reputation as being a tough inspector so I'm not all that worried about my house being done wrong.

I haven't yet figured out who's going to do the basement work - it's a question of time and money. If I have the money, someone else will do it cuz frankly I suck with tools but if not my wife and I will probably do much of the work - she is WAAAY better than I am with projects and plus she's home all day.

as far as taking pictures goes, I am a camera fanatic so rest assured that particular bullet will be checked in full smile.gif
post #225 of 422
I'm not particularly handy with tools either, it's just the fear of doing something wrong one has to overcome.
post #226 of 422
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I'm not particularly handy with tools either, it's just the fear of doing something wrong one has to overcome.

amen to that. My problem is that I am also a perfectionist so when I see that I did a bad job on a corner, it makes me twice as mad because a) it looks like crap and b) I did it.
post #227 of 422
Trust me, it's less bad when you know it's done to the best of your abilities... It's much worse with the same result if you paid someone to do it. At least that's how it works for me...
post #228 of 422
^^^^ This!

As upset as it makes me when I do something wrong, it's 10x worse when I pay someone to do the job poorly.
post #229 of 422
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quick (dumb) question - when building the room within a room design, how do I keep the 2x4's 1" off the concrete? is there some sort of spacer that you're supposed to use? but if there's a spacer doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of having a space between the 2x4 and the concrete to absorb sound and not it let it transmit directly?
post #230 of 422
The inner room should be self-standing. The overhead beams will be holding the walls together. Otherwise you'll have to use decoupling connectors, and yes to a degree they defeat the purpose but not nearly to the degree if a fixed connection.

I'll probably start on my walls next week. My biggest issue is that I have to build them upright from the start rather than making a whole wall flat on the floor and then erecting it in one go...
post #231 of 422
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The inner room should be self-standing. The overhead beams will be holding the walls together. Otherwise you'll have to use decoupling connectors, and yes to a degree they defeat the purpose but not nearly to the degree if a fixed connection.

I'll probably start on my walls next week. My biggest issue is that I have to build them upright from the start rather than making a whole wall flat on the floor and then erecting it in one go...

didn't realize I was not subbed to your thread - I am now and will watch for how you do it.
post #232 of 422
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didn't realize I was not subbed to your thread - I am now and will watch for how you do it.

...so you know what to avoid doing... biggrin.gif
post #233 of 422
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ok, so I now have a better floor plan based on actual builder drawings as opposed to just guessing...



so what I have colored in blue is not movable...the ladder looking thing is the stair case - the two boxes off to the left are the furnace and water heater and the thing behind it is the electrical panel and cable/phone terminal. The wall along the front of the house is just to remind myself that there is plumbing all along that wall and I will have to plan to leave some space there. I originally wanted to have a door closer to the front of the theater but I realized that any door that opened into the theater would probably block the screen and "intercept" the image.

then here's the "fun" part - the room that is designated as the theater is roughly 12'6" wide from concrete side wall to a pole at the bottom of the stairs. The two blue lines there are a beam that runs the length of the house that is 7' from the concrete floor to the bottom of the beam and the blue line that runs a bit behind it is an HVAC vent that the builder won't move that also has a bottom 7' from the floor.

that's the bad news - the good news is that the joists in the floor above run north to south instead of east to west so I think I can keep pretty much everything up there instead of having to drop the ceiling down to run hvac, electrical, speaker wires and whatever else.

my only concern now (and I won't know this until some more of the house is built - it's just a lot full of trees right now) is whether the second row and bar seats will have an obstructed view of the screen or not. it's going to become a game of tradeoffs of getting the screen low enough so that the back row doesn't have obstructed view by the ceiling and doesn't have obstructed view by the front row of seats.
post #234 of 422
Sounds good.

That's why I went for two seats in the back, to make sure they'd be able to see between the folk up front. But if all the seats are needed...
post #235 of 422
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No all the seats are not needed. We have five in my family and I'm not normally a guy who invites a ton of people over so we may end up going that same route with the second row. Will watch your thread to see how it turns out. smile.gif. Glad you are solving all my problems. wink.gif
post #236 of 422
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anyone have experience pouring concrete in a cold weather climate (like Chicago) in November?

We would like to have a concrete patio for our house but the builder won't pour it until 11-1 and I am not convinced that is such a good idea.
post #237 of 422
When we had our house built they poured the driveway and sidewalks in the middle of November. No real issues. We do have one crack in our driveway but I can't say for sure that it happened because of the time of year that it was poured. If it gets too cold they can always throw some tarps over it and pump in some heat (at least I think that was what they were doing rolleyes.gif). They've done that with basement foundations around here.
post #238 of 422
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thanks vanice. still thinking about not having them do it and waiting until 2014...

ok so I have the mother of all dumb questions...

with the 2x4's sitting on bare pavement and only held to the joists above by a clip what keeps the 2x4's from rattling against the concrete floor (like, during loud subwoofer parts) and/or moving (I mean other than the hundreds of pounds of drywall that are mudded and taped together..)

see? told you it was a dumb question...
post #239 of 422
They have thin foam that comes in a roll 4" or 6" wide (depending on the thickness of your wall) that gets laid down first and then the bottom plate goes on that. Once the bottom plate is anchored to the concrete it isn't going anywhere.
post #240 of 422
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They have thin foam that comes in a roll 4" or 6" wide (depending on the thickness of your wall) that gets laid down first and then the bottom plate goes on that. Once the bottom plate is anchored to the concrete it isn't going anywhere.

ah yes the foam on a roll!!! I have seen that in the bacon race thread - no idea where to get it but I know what you're talking about....
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