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post #241 of 422
Most home improvement stores will have it near the insulation and foam board.
post #242 of 422
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hm... this looks like a nice place to build a house...

post #243 of 422
If that's the closest neighbour, then congrats! smile.gif
post #244 of 422
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hm... this looks like a nice place to build a house...


What? No mountains? biggrin.gif
post #245 of 422
I think it's time for a simulated screenshot smile.gif
post #246 of 422
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If that's the closest neighbour, then congrats! smile.gif

there will be neighbors directly behind those trees but probably not for a year or so. We were lucky to be the very first buyers in this subdivision. They are building four other houses but none of them have buyers yet.
post #247 of 422
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didn't get the picture off the camera last night but there's a hole in the ground now.

not sure if this will work but my wife took a video yesterday and posted it to facebook...

ok it didn't work...let's try this...


Edited by JRock3x8 - 8/22/13 at 6:00am
post #248 of 422
Exciting times! Takes me back to 3 years ago when I went through the same process (about this same time of year too). There will be times when you feel like they are flying and times when you can't figure out what the crap they've been doing all day. My advice would be to take as many pictures as you can, especially of everything behind the walls before drywall goes up. This has proved invaluable on a couple of my projects so far. And if it's a two story home have a chase from the basement to the attic for running future wiring. Good luck and keep the build pictures coming.
post #249 of 422
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Exciting times! Takes me back to 3 years ago when I went through the same process (about this same time of year too). There will be times when you feel like they are flying and times when you can't figure out what the crap they've been doing all day. My advice would be to take as many pictures as you can, especially of everything behind the walls before drywall goes up. This has proved invaluable on a couple of my projects so far. And if it's a two story home have a chase from the basement to the attic for running future wiring. Good luck and keep the build pictures coming.

we've already taken more pictures than I care to count and they haven't even poured concrete yet smile.gif

I'm a big fan of taking lots of pictures (especially now that developing film doesn't put you into bankruptcy) so I intend to have a fairly extensive library of photos before this is all said and done.

I also have become resigned to the fact that I'm not going to be able to figure out how to orient the theater until we get in there. North South sure seems like the easier way to go but we'll see once we get everything in there.

The good news is that I think I've convinced the developer to put all of the pits and electrical and all that "garbage" on one side of the house (behind the furnace) so that I have a lot of clean walls to work with for other rooms. Now if only I could convince him to pour a deep basement... (I can't)
post #250 of 422
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didn't get the picture off the camera last night but there's a hole in the ground now.

not sure if this will work but my wife took a video yesterday and posted it to facebook...

ok it didn't work...let's try this...


Be happy you didn't have to deal with this!! 190 linear ft of an 8ft retaining wall! 92 cubic yards of cement later..........I have a level yard!!!! biggrin.gif

Sometimes level ground is good!!! wink.gif

post #251 of 422
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so there will be some grading issues here... (sigh) wish they would have mentioned that BEFORE hand... oh well...

post #252 of 422
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footings are down, gravel is in, basement walls go up tomorrow
post #253 of 422
What sort of grading issues did you have?
post #254 of 422
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What sort of grading issues did you have?


if you can see it, there's a part where it says 718' at the back corner of the house and 712' 40' away at the back corner of the lot

so that means a 6' change in elevation over 40' of land which is essentially a sledding hill. they have agreed to reduce it to 4 but it is still going to be real steep on that back corner. the good news is that the "right" side of the house or the garage side will be fairly flat.

What ticks me off the most is that I may have made different choices during the "choices" process if I'd known about the elevation changes. Now that's all closed up and I have to pay a $200 fee anytime I want to change anything.

It's frustrating but at this point we just want to take delivery of the house so we can do what needs to be done without their involvement.

post #255 of 422
Is there a reason they didn't dig down farther? Looks like they barely excavated 4' down. Seems like they are going to have to truck in a whole lot of dirt to backfill against your new basement walls.
post #256 of 422
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Is there a reason they didn't dig down farther? Looks like they barely excavated 4' down. Seems like they are going to have to truck in a whole lot of dirt to backfill against your new basement walls.

yah, right? smile.gif

So it turns out that in order to have a garage that is higher than street level you have to build the house fairly shallow into the ground because the lot is basically tilted back from the street to the backyard. Since you want your driveway to slope down from the garage that means the garage and hence the house (since they only build spec and don't do custom options) have to be built higher.

On the one hand, I get it but on the other hand I can't believe that they didn't know this and discuss it with me before we signed the contract. Or that their process is set up in such a way that neither of us would know this until we are completely locked in.

Like I said, at this point their lack of attention to details like this just make us want them to hurry and do their job and get out of there before something else happens that they didn't think about...
post #257 of 422
Building companies are the same everywhere... takes every chance to cheat you.
post #258 of 422
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Building companies are the same everywhere... takes every chance to cheat you.

I don't believe they were intentionally trying to cheat me. I do think they are somewhat poorly organized and since they are so reluctant to receive feedback, I just stopped giving it smile.gif
post #259 of 422
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I don't believe they were intentionally trying to cheat me. I do think they are somewhat poorly organized and since they are so reluctant to receive feedback, I just stopped giving it smile.gif

ok. I'm SURE my building company didn't put nearly enough sand for the foundation to work in more the 1% most lucky spots they build in, so they could charge extra for "additional sand needed" in 99% of the builds.
post #260 of 422
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post #261 of 422
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Building companies are the same everywhere... takes every chance to cheat you.

I don't agree with this. If your builder is trying to cheat you, then you have the wrong builder. Our builder was upfront with us in the beginning regarding why his costs seemed higher than some of his competition. Lighting and plumbing fixture allowances were higher, landscaping allowances were higher, etc., etc. It was because his estimates were based on actual costs from previous builds rather than just trying to get us to sign on the dotted line. We came within a couple hundred dollars of his estimated allowances. Another example, when we decided to go with a basement he laid out the items that could affect costs. It was something like, "In the event that rock or stone larger than can be excavated with a loader and removed by dump truck, client will be responsible for additional excavation costs incurred." BTW, it was a BIG loader. Our builder even ate the cost on a few things that came up along the way, no questions asked.

I think the bad builders give the rest a poor reputation. I wouldn't hesitate to build another house with our last builder!
post #262 of 422
Subscribed.

I am hoping to do a HT *soon by remodeling the family room portion of the basement in our existing house. Although our situation is quite different to your new construction, I'm also a n00B when it comes to HT construction, so I'm paying close attention to your questions and the answers you've received.

I love how the members of this community are so helpful!


*http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430523/posting-question-which-forum-area-for-my-ht
post #263 of 422
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I've picked up a couple new readers over the last 24 hours so I want to cover the principles of my theater construction :

  • I am not flush with resources for this project - At least until next fall we are a single income family who just made the biggest purchase of their 13 year marriage which is this very large (for us) 2 story home in Northwest Indiana. We tried to limit the compromises but some had to be made and will continue to be needed until my three kids are all out of college.
  • I do not own many tools and am not especially handy with them. My wife on the other hand LOOOOVES tools and working with her hands so who knows, this project may end up being more about her than me... I am still working out whether I will subcontract or buy tools and build myself.
  • Layout basics : I have two options, both with their own unique problems -
1) a 25' by 12' by 7'9" space that has a beam and one HVAC vent 70" tall running right through the middle of the room which means the projector must be mounted low enough to circumnavigate the lower ceiling. joists run the length of the room which is good because I won't have a lot of headroom for soffits.

2) a 34' by 13' by 7'9" space that has two HVAC vents that run along one side of the room that service the first floor. Joists run across the room meaning soffits are a necessity.

the plan is to do three rows of seating (floor, riser and snack bar) although with the very low seating I have my doubts if that will actually work. You can flip through prior thread pages for drawings.

Construction (of the house) is currently scheduled to be complete in mid November. Theater construction will probably not start until early 2014 unless we sell our current house and then we might get a jump on it this holiday.

My current design really lacks a good understanding of HVAC and electric so as you look at drawings on previous pages and have pointers, please share! thanks in advance.
post #264 of 422
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just found out today that they are going to install the white blanket insulation lining in the basement which I wasn't expecting so I won't have to worry (as much) about moisture down there.

finally some good news!
post #265 of 422
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just found out today that they are going to install the white blanket insulation lining in the basement which I wasn't expecting so I won't have to worry (as much) about moisture down there.

finally some good news!

If this is what they are installing . . . .




then I wouldn't get tooooooo excited about it. They glue a bunch of self-impaling clips to the concrete, slip these pieces over the spikes, but on a small spike "cap", tape the seams and walk away. It is somewhat of a vapor barrier, but certainly far from ideal.

I ended up removing all of this from my basement because I wanted to reclaim the nearly 6" this insulation took up before installing my framing.

Don't get me wrong, it's minimum code and certainly better than nothing....but it's also not a hugely effective vapor barrier either.
post #266 of 422
For basements, the real moisture treatment have to be done on the outside... Plastic 'carpet' with airgap, so to speak. Don't know how many houses I've seen this being done to...
post #267 of 422
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I think they have to put it up for code reasons or at least that's what he led me to believe. 6" sounds like an awful lot. Is that 3" per wall or ?

The concrete walls were poured yesterday - I have pictures but am too lazy to pull the SD card out of my camera this morning smile.gif

grading issues are being worked out, we are pulling out some more trees to make the grading a little more gradual.

after labor day, we really pick up steam when framing starts. super excited for that.
Edited by JRock3x8 - 8/29/13 at 2:49am
post #268 of 422
Like I said, it is minimum code. The insulation is R19, so roughly 5.5" in depth uncompressed. So it's not 3" per wall, but a full 6" of lost depth on every exterior wall.

Looking forward to seeing the construction pics when you post them!
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post #269 of 422
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Like I said, it is minimum code. The insulation is R19, so roughly 5.5" in depth uncompressed. So it's not 3" per wall, but a full 6" of lost depth on every exterior wall.

Looking forward to seeing the construction pics when you post them!
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holy crap! can I tear it down or will that invalidate my building permit for the basement?

I'm at 12' already - you're going to tell me I'm going down to 11' I don't like that at all!
post #270 of 422
I'd just let it ride and let the builder do their thing, otherwise you are probably looking at a change fee and extra labor and material costs.

You can always tear it down when you are ready. For me, I tore down the insulation and with the help of my brother removed the plastic vapor barrier and tape so I was essentially left with unfaced R19. I then re-purposed that material for the basement ceiling (outside the theater) so sound won't transfer as readily between the basement and first floor once the man cave is up and running.
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