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please help with new home A/V distribution with diagram

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
hoping i am on right track...please be critical.

Hoping to use harmony one upstairs and harmony 1 downstairs as i already have two these.

I also already have pioneer VSX and Yamaha HTR 5760...so also hoping to put these to use.

All splitters/extenders/IR repeaters I will need.

I have 3 apple tvs as well.

Thanks for those who take the time to help. home A:V distribution runs.pdf 97k .pdf file
post #2 of 10
Really hard to follow all that... You seem to have several AVRs as "sources" into several matrix switches - this is not generally a good idea. Without knowing the goals / requirements, it's tough to make any suggestions.

Simplify that diagram, show each source box, remove the sender/receiver details, and put your WHA "audio only" zones off to the side.

You say this is a new setup - is this for a new construction, or is there existing wiring in-place? A lot of the decisions about distribution will be based on what cabling is available or possible.

Jeff
post #3 of 10
Nightmare springs to mind eek.gif

Start out with functionality and a Zone by Zone requirement list and forget about which brands etc.

Ensure you fully understand how multi zone AVR's operate before you see them as a low cost answer to your requirements – they very rarely do what they say on the tin with just as much ease or intuitive control as you would expect!

In terms of your sources drill down into which Sources you actually require to be ‘Whole House’ and which are only ever going to be required in one particular zone.

Joe
post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 
fair enough thanks...I will work on another diagram/list.

Thanks guys
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Joe Fernand View Post

Nightmare springs to mind eek.gif

Start out with functionality and a Zone by Zone requirement list and forget about which brands etc.

Ensure you fully understand how multi zone AVR's operate before you see them as a low cost answer to your requirements – they very rarely do what they say on the tin with just as much ease or intuitive control as you would expect!

In terms of your sources drill down into which Sources you actually require to be ‘Whole House’ and which are only ever going to be required in one particular zone.

Joe

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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

Really hard to follow all that... You seem to have several AVRs as "sources" into several matrix switches - this is not generally a good idea. Without knowing the goals / requirements, it's tough to make any suggestions.

Simplify that diagram, show each source box, remove the sender/receiver details, and put your WHA "audio only" zones off to the side.

You say this is a new setup - is this for a new construction, or is there existing wiring in-place? A lot of the decisions about distribution will be based on what cabling is available or possible.

Jeff

All right how is this now?

I have listed the receivers I have with a hyperlink to the back of the receiver to see if I could actually use them in this setup. I already have the infinity speakers, 3 airport express and 3 apple tvs. I may just replace infinity in family room for some in wall and move infinitys to the garage.

I do not have the matrix switch or the security system as of yet. This is a new home build they are about to put the shingles on and I expect a call about wiring in the next little bit so just trying to sort out what I might need as I want everything running out of sight from right beside power panel in basement.


Thanks again for your consideration
Whole Home A:V distribution .pdf 64k .pdf file
Edited by hondanation09 - 4/8/13 at 4:32pm
post #6 of 10
Your diagram shows 3 zones connected to that Yamaha HTR-5760 but that's a 2-zone amp. You also have 3 airport expresses connected to that amp, When are you ever going to need to listen to 3 different music streams at once? (which you can't do anyway because as I said before...it's a 2-zone amp). Even if you could, what are you planning to use for sources?

If you're going to rely on a bunch of HDMI extenders for your AV distribution you are in for a rude awakening. Make sure you buy plenty of extras to replace the units as they fail.

How are you planning to control all this stuff? 2 Harmony remotes is not even going to come close.

I don't mean to rip you apart man but this is a mess.

If I were you I would home-run all wires to a central location in the home with plenty of room to install and service all this junk and then consult someone who knows what they are doing to help you come up with a proper plan.
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 
no offence taken...that is why i posted here lol

again the yamaha and pioneer vsx is what i have that i am trying to salvage. The Yamaha will only be used for speakers so i was hoping there would be a way to use it for audio only considering that all three zones I need to pump music to would be 2 speakers each. I know it has 2 zones only but was hoping for either a solution to be able to use it or i can just buy another that will work better.

Also, 3 airport expresses would not offer three different music streams...it is the same iTunes stream to three different speakers. I just happen to have these already in current house pumping music to three separate speakers. I guess I could also use 1 and a speaker switch but again I would have to buy that. Now that I look at it, it would make more sense to have 1 airport express to each receiver in my house...correct?

HDMI extenders over cat5e/6 will fail because?

If this is not proper could you share some other way to extend HDMI...I feel I am just over the optimal HDMI length.

Thanks again
Edited by hondanation09 - 4/8/13 at 6:06pm
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by hondanation09 View Post

All right how is this now?

It's easier to read, now we can get into the specifics - you're showing an AVR as a "source" to a matrix - don't do that.
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I do not have the matrix switch or the security system as of yet. This is a new home build they are about to put the shingles on and I expect a call about wiring in the next little bit so just trying to sort out what I might need as I want everything running out of sight from right beside power panel in basement.

Concentrate on the pre-wiring now. Home run cabling to the basement for everything. Lots and lots of cable. For a proper multizone setup (where # of zones >2), an AVR should only be used as a single-room system, with the potential exception of a nearby, attached area. Everything else should come from the central location. Even if there are "exceptions", the cabling should be home-run, with "additional" cabling to handle the short cuts.

Plan for the future, and for flexibility.


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Originally Posted by Dropkick Murphy View Post

If I were you I would home-run all wires to a central location in the home with plenty of room to install and service all this junk and then consult someone who knows what they are doing to help you come up with a proper plan.

+1...

Multiple Airport Express units just to handle multiple speakers is overkill. One AE through a zone amp(s) setup can handle more than one pair of speakers if that's all that's required.

Do some reading of just about any "pre wiring" thread in this forum for a better understanding of all this.

HDMI extenders can be frustrating - they don't necessarily fail from use, but can suffer from incompatibilities on the cheap side. Get good ones and you'll do better. But don't worry about those things right now - get the cabling right as there's no other chance to do it later.

Jeff
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks again. In the end I probably will go with a company but I do not want to go in blinded by the process. I always like to research exactly how things should be done properly as even guys in the business may take shortcuts.

So if I understand this correctly...my Satellite feed and my apple tv feed( or whatever my source feed is for that matter) NEVER touches the A/V receiver, it goes directly to the Matrix switch and then via cat 5e/6 then to box/wall plate where cat 5e/6 converts back into HDMI cable and into back of TV/projector. Or am I still totally ignorant on this process.

I can handle the insults

Then the A/V receiver handle just audio...ie optical out from my satellite receiver into the A/V receiver and speaker wire out from Zone A into my 5.1 speakers. Then speakers wires out from Zone B into 2 speakers in an adjacent room which also has a TV.

Thanks very much for taking the time to help out those with little knowledge of this field
post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 
Updated diagram for you guys to hopefully not rip up too much. I tried to colour code the wiring and gave it a legend to cut down on the confusion.

Still piss poor? Whole Home A:V distribution .pdf 93k .pdf file
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