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post #31 of 237
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AcuDefTechGuy, I have heard good things about these subs but I am wondering if the enclosed ones are better suited for music instead of open ported ones for deep LFE that I want for my HT setup. Following feedback from an earlier post..,
post #32 of 237
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Assuming 48' x 32' x 15' = 23,000 cubic ft.

The important thing here is getting enough subs to pressurize your room and do it accurately (low distortion, low Q).

I say get 4 Rtyhmik F25 subs @ $1400 each & 10% discount for multiple subs = $5,000. biggrin.gif

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F25.html

...... And then get some speakers and AVR.

You don't have to buy JTR speakers. It's fine if you do, but they are not the ONLY good choice.

There are many great choices out there. Audition first before spending any money.

Lol plus another $1400 to ship those 4 F25's!
post #33 of 237
If you buy from Rythmik you'll have to pay sales tax too because you're located in Texas.
post #34 of 237
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Lol plus another $1400 to ship those 4 F25's!

Well, it's $181 S/H per sub, but they could offer some additional discounts.
post #35 of 237
That was a joke by the way. Has Brian figured out his shipping woes for the F25 yet?

Is Rythmik offering discounts on the sale price of the F25 if you buy more then one?
post #36 of 237
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If you buy from Rythmik you'll have to pay sales tax too because you're located in Texas.

Didn't think about that one! eek.gif

Well, maybe he could get creative and get a friend from out of state to "buy" for him and since he lives in TX, he could pick up those subs himself and pay for his "friends". Eliminate both shipping & taxes. biggrin.gif
post #37 of 237
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Just saw that they are located here in Austin two miles away from my home. :-) I am going to visit those guys so I can listen to what they got. Already biased...supporting local business. :-)
post #38 of 237
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Alright, meeting Brian on Thursday. They actually have the F25s ready to pick up. :-)
post #39 of 237
The F25 is going to be a great sub and defiantly one I would recommend. You could defiantly save a little cash and get those over anything from JTR or even Seaton for subs. But keep in mind that just about anyone with tell you that output wise both Seaton and JTR are on another level. The F25 has a little less output then a FV15HP and the FV15HP has gone up against a Seaton SubMersive HP and JTR Captivator S1 and the standard Captivator's and both the JTR and Seaton subs were a step up over the Rythmik product.
post #40 of 237
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Originally Posted by nexusdoan View Post

Alright, meeting Brian on Thursday. They actually have the F25s ready to pick up. :-)

Supporting local business is a good thing! You getting four of 'em? smile.gif They partner with Ascend Acoustics to an extent (Ascend sells their subs), ask Brian what he thinks about Ascend's offerings in your room. The Towers or Horizons might do the job....what is the height of your ceiling anyways?
post #41 of 237
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Loveinthehd, will do. I am just going to listen to his setup for now. The ceiling is triangular and the bottom corners start at 12 feet from the walls and go up another 18 feet
post #42 of 237
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Originally Posted by nexusdoan View Post

Loveinthehd, will do. I am just going to listen to his setup for now. The ceiling is triangular and the bottom corners start at 12 feet from the walls and go up another 18 feet

Did you buy an old church? That is huge. I have a fairly large living room with cathedral ceiling, but nowhere near yours. I don't think you can go wrong getting together with one of these mad scientists like Brian, or a few others I can think of and have bought from without even audition... BTW the mad scientist at Ascend is David Fabrikant ("Ascend" here on the forums).
post #43 of 237
I would be looking at JTR Orbit Shifters. With a room that big, you'll need some serious subwoofage to energize it and these will definitely do that. Plus, they're great value for the output they produce. The footprint is on the large size, but you should have more than enough space for one, or even two of them. 3 x 228HT, 2 x Slanted 8s, and 1 x Orbit Shifter would cost $8100. Add a second Orbit Shifter and it only goes up to $11,100. Grab a good five channel amp from D-Sonic or Wyred 4 Sound and a good pre/pro or receiver and you have a killer system you won't have to upgrade for at least a decade.

That's my two cents.
post #44 of 237
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

I would be looking at JTR Orbit Shifters. With a room that big, you'll need some serious subwoofage to energize it and these will definitely do that. Plus, they're great value for the output they produce. The footprint is on the large size, but you should have more than enough space for one, or even two of them. 3 x 228HT, 2 x Slanted 8s, and 1 x Orbit Shifter would cost $8100. Add a second Orbit Shifter and it only goes up to $11,100. Grab a good five channel amp from D-Sonic or Wyred 4 Sound and a good pre/pro or receiver and you have a killer system you won't have to upgrade for at least a decade.

That's my two cents.

Yeah, that sounds pretty good... smile.gif
post #45 of 237
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

I would be looking at JTR Orbit Shifters. With a room that big, you'll need some serious subwoofage to energize it and these will definitely do that. Plus, they're great value for the output they produce. The footprint is on the large size, but you should have more than enough space for one, or even two of them. 3 x 228HT, 2 x Slanted 8s, and 1 x Orbit Shifter would cost $8100. Add a second Orbit Shifter and it only goes up to $11,100. Grab a good five channel amp from D-Sonic or Wyred 4 Sound and a good pre/pro or receiver and you have a killer system you won't have to upgrade for at least a decade.

That's my two cents.

+1 this would be another awesome recommendation.
post #46 of 237
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

+1 this would be another awesome recommendation.

Dual shifters? I would be afraid, unless my house was constructed with steel reinforced concrete. To be honest I would rather have four Rythmik FV15HPs, it would cost the same, and you would have more even coverage and still get monster bass. Yeah, it can't get as loud, but past THX Reference, you have to ask how much your ears can withstand. Not that it wouldn't be cool, it just might be a tad impractical.
post #47 of 237
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Dual shifters? I would be afraid, unless my house was constructed with steel reinforced concrete. To be honest I would rather have four Rythmik FV15HPs, it would cost the same, and you would have more even coverage and still get monster bass. Yeah, it can't get as loud, but past THX Reference, you have to ask how much your ears can withstand. Not that it wouldn't be cool, it just might be a tad impractical.

Keep in mind that when you place the Orbit Shifter up against a wall it only helps increase the output because of the horn load. You'd need more then 4 FV15HP's to compete with 2 Orbit Shifters.

And even down really low the Shifters would still have a lot more output. But of course it's also like have a fridge in your room size wise!...lol
post #48 of 237
I doubt 4 Rythmik FV15HP would compare to dual Orbit Shifters unless they're placed near field or stacked together. Remember, reference levels for LFE are stated at 115db, but that doesn't account for redirected bass from the LCR and surrounds below the crossover. That can bump it up to 121-123db.

The point I'm trying to make is that his room is incredibly large, and if he wants an amazing home theater experience in it, he's going to need subs with prodigious output. And I don't think four ported 15" subs are going to cut it.
Edited by Dbuudo07 - 4/9/13 at 5:17am
post #49 of 237
locate two of these and build em into the wall. lsol

post #50 of 237
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

I doubt 4 Rythmik FV15HP would compare to dual Orbit Shifters


A single Rythmik FV15HP can output 117.0/119.5/119.1/118.8dB @ 32/40/50/63Hz from 2 meters.

Are there any measurements of the Orbit Shifters from 2 meters distance w/ CEA distortion standards to back up your statement?

But the MOST important thing about having multiple subs is smoothing out the room modes/ response! One sub isn't going to do the job right!
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 4/9/13 at 8:02am
post #51 of 237
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Originally Posted by nexusdoan View Post

AcuDefTechGuy, I have heard good things about these subs but I am wondering if the enclosed ones are better suited for music instead of open ported ones for deep LFE that I want for my HT setup. Following feedback from an earlier post..,


Subwoofer Performance
CEA Standard 2 Meters SPL @ 32/40/50/63 Hz:

$1200 B&W ASW-610XP: 96.1/101.5/105.9/108.9
$700 Emotiva X-Ref 12: 99.1/103.5/107.6/108.5
$1600 Klipsch SW-311: 102.6/105.3/108.6/111.4
$769 SVS PB12-NSD: 105.9/106.5/107.3/108.0
$300 BIC PL-200: 102.5/107.7/110.4/108.1 (HSU STF-2 clone)
$4000 Velodyne DD15+: 102.0/109.0/109.0/112.0
$900 Aperion Bravus II 12D: 105.3/109.8/112.6/112.2
$879 Velodyne EQ-MAX15: 104.2/110.0/114.2/114.8
$1,200 RBH SX-12: 108/111.1/113.7/112.7
$650 Outlaw LFM-1EX: 110.7/112.3/113.7/113.8
$800 Power Sound XV15: 109.6/113.7/116.6/114.7
$1200 SVS PB12+: 111.5/114.3/115.3/115.3
$800 Epik Empire: 109.7/113.2/116.4/119.2
$1700 Funk FW12X: 112.4/114.0/113.9/113.1
$9,000 Paradigm Sig Sub2: 109.9/113.2/116.9/120.2
$2200 JL Audio F112: 112.4/116.2/113.3/117.6
$900 Hsu VTF-15H: 113.0/115.7/115.7/115.6
$5,000 Velodyne DD18+: 113.0/115.8/116.8/115.3
$2,000 SVS PB13 Ultra: 115.5/117.5/117.8/116.6
$1,100 Chase HT VS18.1: 116.0/118.1/117.8/117.2
$1,200 Rythmik FV15HP: 117.0/119.5/119.1/118.8

Well, then go with the $1200 Rythmik FV15HP. As you can see, it equivocally outperforms all the listed subs, including the $9,000 Paradigm Sub2.

I don't know of any CEA standard measurements of JTR or Seaton subs, so I can't comment on them.

Four FV15HP w/ 10% discount = $4320.
post #52 of 237
An Orbit Shifter is $2K. Where did $8100 come from?

http://jtrspeakers.com/portable/orbit-shifter/

The only reservation I would have about the OS is that specs say it rolls off at 37hz. There is so much sub 20hz on movies these days I don't know if I would get one.

Is that a good spec for the Orbit Shifter? Or is JTR short selling their sub?
post #53 of 237
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

A single Rythmik FV15HP can output 117.0/119.5/119.1/118.8dB @ 32/40/50/63Hz from 2 meters.

Are there any measurements of the Orbit Shifters from 2 meters distance w/ CEA distortion standards to back up your statement?

A single FV15HP is $1200.

1 x Orbit Shifter would cost $8100.

How much output (2 meters distance) do you get for $6900 more in cost? eek.gif

SEVEN FV15HP, which would increase output levels by almost 9dB (126/128.5/128.1/127.8dB output @ 32/40/50/63Hz from 2 meters), is still $7,560 w/ 10% discount.

But the MOST important thing about having multiple subs is smoothing out the room modes/ response! One $8100 sub is NOT going to do the job RIGHT!


Umm, the Orbit Shifters are $2999 plus shipping with the on-board 4KW amp with DSP.
post #54 of 237
I'd get an outboard amp for a lot less than 1K.
post #55 of 237
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Umm, the Orbit Shifters are $2999 plus shipping with the on-board 4KW amp with DSP.

My bad. Not enough caffeine yet. eek.gif

Any CEA standard 2 meters ground plane outdoor measurements of the OS @ 32Hz, 40Hz ?
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 4/9/13 at 8:21am
post #56 of 237
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

The only reservation I would have about the OS is that specs say it rolls off at 37hz. There is so much sub 20hz on movies these days I don't know if I would get one.

+1

I would not want a 37Hz roll-off for movies or even music. IMO subs need to get the 20Hz-40Hz right, not just 40-80Hz.
post #57 of 237
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

I'd get an outboard amp for a lot less than 1K.

I don't know where your information is coming from but there is no passive Orbit Shifter. The amp is included for the price I mentioned above.
post #58 of 237
You guys are looking at the professional series, not the residential Orbit Shifter LF and LFU. The LFU has a frequency response listed as: Frequency +/-1db* 22-110hz (useful output below 10hz in room).
* corner loading will add several feet to the horn’s length and greatly increase the low end.

If memory serves me correctly, the residential Orbit Shifters can hit 115db @ 10hz corner loaded, and in RMK's room, he has usable output into the single digits with his pair.

I'm not saying the Rythmic is a poor sub by any means. I just think for a room his size, the OS is a better fit. This is coming from a guy with a pair of sealed Funk Audio subs, so it isn't like I have a bias due to ownership.
post #59 of 237
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

My bad. Not enough caffeine yet. eek.gif

Any CEA standard 2 meters ground plane outdoor measurements of the OS @ 32Hz, 40Hz ?

At 25hz a Orbit Shift will hit 127dB, at 32hz and 40hz things are only gonna get a whole lot louder.
It can hit 97db @ 10hz with a 2m ground plane test! and with a corner load at 10hz it'll do 115db corner loaded.
Sorry but those are just crazy numbers. Like I said you'll need more then two FV15HP's to keep up with a single Orbit Shifter.
post #60 of 237
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

But the MOST important thing about having multiple subs is smoothing out the room modes/ response! One sub isn't going to do the job right!

I understand what the benefits of multiple subs, thank you for for the exclamation marks. That's why I also listed the price for the optimum setup using a pair at a cost of $6k ($11,100 for the full 5.2 set).

By the way, not all bass problems can be fixed by simply adding more subs.
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