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post #241 of 303

Thank you p5browne. I went ahead and ordered "'SERENGETI - Nature's Greatest Journey" I don't have that one anyway and am curious to see if I can see the extended gamut and lower compression treatment of the remastered titles on my displays ( SonyHX820, Panasonic VT50 and Samsung 46D6000)
post #242 of 303
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Originally Posted by kbrod1 View Post

Ultimately I think their winner will be the VT as it was very very close to the ZT but a bit brighter not to mention cheaper. I'm happy so far with my 65X900A. I would like to see what the Sony blurays look like. Apparently I will get 3 free in the mail but I wonder how I can get others. I don't see on their website the ability to orders these triluminous corrected disks not to mention that Sony might charge a premium for them. Still I'm disappointed, I really thought Sony would be a star. Well that's OK it should suit me until the second/third generation of OLED sets come out with any bugs fixed and prices way down.

Hello kbrod1. How is the sound on the 65X900A? How would you compare to a separate sound bar? When I viewed the X900A in the Sony Store there was just too much going on to hear how well the Sony Magnetic Fluid Speaker technology sounded.
post #243 of 303
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by helvetica bold View Post

So would you guys say that the VE shoot out didn't have a favorable liking to X900 overall?
I wonder how the W900 will be, have my eyes
close on that one. I'm a little disappointed or is it too early to tell??
I am sure it holds it own wink.gif Still one of the top displays of the year.......
post #244 of 303
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Originally Posted by helvetica bold View Post

So would you guys say that the VE shoot out didn't have a favorable liking to X900 overall?
I wonder how the W900 will be, have my eyes
close on that one. I'm a little disappointed or is it too early to tell??

How could it end favorably for an LCD in a room full of Kuro worshippers? All of the plasma units were lined up front center while the LCD's were placed off to the side like an afterthought.
post #245 of 303
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Originally Posted by electrofascist 

How could it end favorably for an LCD in a room full of Kuro worshippers? All of the plasma units were lined up front center while the LCD's were placed off to the side like an afterthought.
A few years ago these KURO worshippers crowned the Sharp Elite Pro LED LCd king. Those KURO worshippers are actually blacklevel worshippers wink.gif
post #246 of 303
Quick question.

Is there any way to use the speaker on the xbr-65x900a as a center channel speaker? Is there any reason I would not want to do this?

I currently have a Pioneer Elite RPTV I am thinking of upgrading and a Klpsch Reference center speaker which is fairly large. Since using my other Klipsch speakers in my 7.1 speaker setup, was wondering whether it would be a reasonable choice to just use this TV's speakers as my center channel speaker?

Also, does anyone know if this Sony has the ability to view Amazon Prime movies?
post #247 of 303
On my Sony HX820 I have access to Amazon Prime movies. Most likely the new Sonys do too.
post #248 of 303
I have listened to the speakers now for you and they sound quite good coming from a TV set. Certainly significantly better than my XBR2 it replaced. That being said, I normally listen through headphones at night when kids are sleeping or my AV system speakers. I did listen to a sample on the TV through the media player section and it was outstanding. Great depth and good bass. Of course Sony would not have had a sample that sounded bad.
post #249 of 303
just checked it out at frys with looping 4K demo on. The PQ is excellent with full screen content at normal viewing distance about 8-10 feet. I don't think there is much benefit for letterbox movie. if you check out this site, you will realize that, in order to enjoy a 4K letterbox widescreen movie from a common viewing distance about 8-10 feet, you should get a 100 inches 4K tv to really tell the difference. I'll pass this one now.
post #250 of 303
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

A few years ago these KURO worshippers crowned the Sharp Elite Pro LED LCd king. Those KURO worshippers are actually blacklevel worshippers wink.gif

Hmmm. The only LCD to ever win associated itself with Kuro using the "Elite" branding. This just shows that the Kuro/plasma favoritism is based in the past. The Sony XBR8 had deeper black levels prior to Sharp Elite but was completely ignored. There is also a bias against Sony.
post #251 of 303
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

Hmmm. The only LCD to ever win associated itself with Kuro using the "Elite" branding. This just shows that the Kuro/plasma favoritism is based in the past. The Sony XBR8 had deeper black levels prior to Sharp Elite but was completely ignored. There is also a bias against Sony.

I'll agree with the bias of Sony at the shootout. Even in this one you could hear them complaining about how Sony didn't do things like other manufacturers. It has always been questioned in the past why top tier Sony televisions were not included. Such as last year when that awful Panasonic LCD was selected over Sony's local dimming set. They've even had LG plasmas at the shootout and still no Sony's despite the LG plasmas being significantly inferior to the Panasonic and Samsung offerings.

D-Nice seems to be the only guy there that pushes them to include other sets in the shootout and argues with them on points. The only reason the Samsung F8000 was included apparently was because D-Nice pushed for it to be there.
post #252 of 303
For those that have this set what three free blu-rays will they send you. I signed up online for them but didn't take note of what they were. I think one of them was Spiderman but I do not which one. Thanks in advance.
post #253 of 303
I was at the shootout and while I generally like the X900A, Sony has to offer more for that $7K. While I do think they have done a great job with edge lit, better that Samsung, I do think in order for this to be considered a critical display they will have to come out with a full array backlit model. The black levels weren't even close to the plasmas, nor an HX950. The 4K demo was great but honestly when you move back to a normal seating distance the 4K looked just like 1080P. Dnice commented you really will not see the benefit until you get to an 80" or more panel. For me, the uniformity is generally better than the HX950's, but I would take the black levels of the HX950's over the better uniformity of the X900's.
Edited by Mixdoctor - 5/12/13 at 11:45pm
post #254 of 303
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

I was at the shootout and while I generally like the X900A, Sony has to offer more for that $7K. While I do think they have done a great job with edge lit, better that Samsung, I do think in order for this to be considered a critical display they will have to come out with a full array backlit model. The black levels just weren't even close to the plasmas, nor an HX950. The 4K demo was great but honestly when you move back to a normal seating distance the 4K looked just like1080P. Dnice commented you really will not see the benefit until you get to an 80" or more panel. For me the uniformity is generally better than the X950's but I would take the black levels of the HX950's over the better uniformity of the X900's.

I agree ^^^
post #255 of 303
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Originally Posted by electrofascist 
Hmmm. The only LCD to ever win associated itself with Kuro using the "Elite" branding. This just shows that the Kuro/plasma favoritism is based in the past. The Sony XBR8 had deeper black levels prior to Sharp Elite but was completely ignored. There is also a bias against Sony.
The XBR9 was part of the 2009 Shootout. Who knows why the XBR8 was not included, might have been a Sony decision... I agree that it should have been a part of the 2009 Shootout.
post #256 of 303
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

The XBR9 was part of the 2009 Shootout. Who knows why the XBR8 was not included, might have been a Sony decision... I agree that it should have been a part of the 2009 Shootout.

The point is there is a pattern of how Sony is treated at such events. They didn't include the highest tech hdtv Sony has ever manufactured (full-array, local dimming, triluminos), but they included the 9 which was a major step down.
post #257 of 303
Every past event in VE shootout always had a bias against Sony.Last year it was clearly evident since they brought a crap tv like the Pansonic WT50 and they where saying that none of the Sony made the cut and that the other displays where far ahead eek.gif .The HX850 which was available that time for a few months would have ran circles around every other LCD tvs not to mention the previous years HX929.

Even during the 2011 shootout they gave the wrong printed contrast figures of the HX929 and people voted with those wrong figures since some one had accidentally or intentionally changed the setting in the HX929,only after the event took place was the info corrected .
Edited by aim120 - 5/13/13 at 11:50am
post #258 of 303
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Originally Posted by SirPoon View Post

Anybody calibrated their tv yet???

I've performed a high level calibration using the Disney WOW 2012.

Scene: General


Calibrated brightness, backlight, color, and picture only. Color temperature to neutral.

Left alone all other settings in stock mode.

If anyone calibrated their TVs, please share your settings. Much appreciated!


Saw most of the VE shoot out yesterday ... apparently they favor plasma, especially Panasonic VT and ZTs. The Sony was left on the right hand side of the wall and did not receive a lot of attention from the shoot out judges.

Not going to pay attention to the VE shoot out results ... Hopefully positive reviews will come out by other sites (ie CNET - david katzmaier, etc)

Colour temperature neutral, really?
post #259 of 303
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Originally Posted by aim120 View Post

Every past event in VE shootout always had a bias against Sony.Last year it was clearly evident since they brought a crap tv like the Pansonic WT50 and they where saying that none of the Sony made the cut: and that the other displays where far ahead eek: .The HX850 which was available that time for a few months would have ran circles around every other LCD tvs not to mention the previous years HX929.

Even during the 2011 shootout they gave the wrong printed contrast figures of the HX929 and people voted with those wrong figures since some one had accidentally or intentionally changed the setting in the HX929,only after the event took place was the info corrected .

VE is in the business to sell TVs, not rate TVs, so it's only natural they are going to highlight certain models more than others.
post #260 of 303
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Originally Posted by aim120 View Post

Every past event in VE shootout always had a bias against Sony.Last year it was clearly evident since they brought a crap tv like the Pansonic WT50 and they where saying that none of the Sony made the cut and that the other displays where far ahead eek.gif .The HX850 which was available that time for a few months would have ran circles around every other LCD tvs not to mention the previous years HX929.

Even during the 2011 shootout they gave the wrong printed contrast figures of the HX929 and people voted with those wrong figures since some one had accidentally or intentionally changed the setting in the HX929,only after the event took place was the info corrected .


Sony decides what model(s) they want at the events. Usually their reps, VP's are there, sometimes even engineers too. I was at the shootout when the 909 came out and everyone asked why their best model was not there. It was their decision not to have it at the shootout. I do forget the reason they gave though.
post #261 of 303
I've changed/ re-calibrated my TV settings based on VE shoot out Day 1 settings (saw that on the video when they were playing with the Sony Motionflow settings).

Below are the settings I've gathered from the VE shootout :

Scene Select: Cinema

Picture Adjustments:
Picture Mode: Cinema 1
Backlight: 7 (I've changed it to 6...since it is too bright in my viewing area)
Picture: 90
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Warm 1
Sharpness: 46
Dot Noise Reduction: Off
Reality Creation: Manual
Video Area Detection: Off
Resolution: 12
Noise Filtering: Min
Smooth Gradation: Off
Motionflow: True Cinema
CineMotion: Auto

I will adjust the above settings. Look forward in seeing other people's settings in this forum.
post #262 of 303
Another user posted a link in the 55W900A thread to a small note from the french site "lesnumeriques" and I think it is very interesting, if you guys haven't seen it here is the link with google translate:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lesnumeriques.com%2Ftv-televiseur%2Ftrois-tv-uhd-4k-sony-trahis-par-sous-pixels-n29268.html&act=url


In a nutshell they say each size in the X900A line uses a different type of panel and therefore each size should have different quality/characteristics based on the panel used. From their pixel analisis the 84 uses an LG IPS panel, the 65 they believe is a panel made by AU optronics or CMI and the 55 (which they refer to as 56 in the note) uses the first Igzo panel from the market, made by Sharp. So the three TVs, they say, will have a very different image from each other... eek.gif
post #263 of 303
Interesting I watched day 2 of VE and wrote down the settings that I saw which are slightly different from yours. I'm getting essentially the same settings but;
color temp warm 2
resolution 21
motionflow clear plus

I wonder why the settings are different one would think they should be the same unless daylight/night/3d etc.

I do not know how to get to get to Cinema 1 in picture mode I only have three options, custom, standard and vivid.
post #264 of 303
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

I was at the shootout ....

Mix,

Did the Sony motion handling with the girl on the swing look as horrible in person as it did online?

Was it obviously brighter than the plasmas in person?

Thanks.
post #265 of 303
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Originally Posted by flyboy2160 View Post

Mix,

Did the Sony motion handling with the girl on the swing look as horrible in person as it did online? Thanks.


Yes it did, You could definitely see artifacts on the girls dress, until they used the dark frame setting (forgot what that was called) which killed the brightness.......and I was sitting directly in front of the Sony.
post #266 of 303
Mix,

Sorry I forgot to ask this before: did you see the image retention artifacts 2 of the calibrators saw on 1 or 2 of the plasmas?

Thanks again.

(I apologize for this being topic for the Sony, but Mix is posting here instead of on the VE shootout. )
post #267 of 303
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Originally Posted by flyboy2160 View Post

Mix,

Sorry I forgot to ask this before: did you see the image retention artifacts 2 of the calibrators saw on 1 or 2 of the plasmas?

Thanks again.

(I apologize for this being topic for the Sony, but Mix is posting here instead of on the VE shootout. )

No, I didn't see the IR on the plasmas.
post #268 of 303
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Originally Posted by burntIce View Post

Another user posted a link in the 55W900A thread to a small note from the french site "lesnumeriques" and I think it is very interesting, if you guys haven't seen it here is the link with google translate:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lesnumeriques.com%2Ftv-televiseur%2Ftrois-tv-uhd-4k-sony-trahis-par-sous-pixels-n29268.html&act=url


In a nutshell they say each size in the X900A line uses a different type of panel and therefore each size should have different quality/characteristics based on the panel used. From their pixel analisis the 84 uses an LG IPS panel, the 65 they believe is a panel made by AU optronics or CMI and the 55 (which they refer to as 56 in the note) uses the first Igzo panel from the market, made by Sharp. So the three TVs, they say, will have a very different image from each other... eek.gif

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. A lot of products source LCD's from various vendors.

From this though, sounds like the 55-inch is the one to get. I have no intentions to get one until they hit at least $4,500, but I am glad to know it'll have a Sharp panel in it. I've always preferred their panels to others.
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Has anyone checked out how any of the Mastered in 4k blu rays that hit the stores today, look on this television?
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