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post #511 of 1308
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

Another thing to remember is that the F8500 only gets its 63-64ms of lag time if you use the PC input trick of renaming the input. Which also gives you not such a great PQ. The thing with the ST60 (and the other 2013 Pannys) is that they let you keep most of the picture quality and the same picture modes while simply enabling "game" mode. The F8500 looks really nice, probably great with games, but the only way to get even that lag time will basically kill the PQ.

Yes thats a very good point thanks, its official i guess all the specs are frying my brain i forgot reading about the pc mode on the samsungs. I am seriously considering making the "sacrifice" because at least for me i know I can get by with call of duty and halo multiplayer and not have too much noticeable lag, i hope, if 30 day evaluation shows otherwise we will see, I am usually pretty sensitive to input lag and it effects me more than it probably should but I was thinking about the fact that i can get a 55" st60 and deal with it for about 10 months and sell it with its 5 year warranty helping resale value, and re-buy a ST70 (or whatever the 2013 model will be) and still be spending almost exactly what i would spend on a VT60 alone this year.
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

Interesting to note on that database as well...of all the sets from all those manufacturers, even LCD's and LED's...only TWO of them have input lag as high or higher than the ST60. And yet still it's being touted as some sort of average display lag from some folks.

I've now read yet 2 more complaints about the input lag (on forums this time). I have to think they will at least know this is an issue sooner or later if this keeps up, especially on places like Amazon reviews and such.

Yep I took notice of that and probably above all else just how remarkably well many LCD's do, it makes sense given how they simply outnumber plasma but going by some posts you would think that the top 20 would all be plasmas so it is interesting to see the ranking and that even with all the junk and picture processing necessary on todays LCD panels they can still perform well if needed for a dedicated gaming set.

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And at the opposite end of the spectrum is the Sony KDL-55W905A I was just reading a review on (completely unrelated) and when this was brought up about input lag I had to mention it here. ( I can not attest to the testing methods or even the credibility of the site its one of the first few reviews I am reading from them so far ,they all seem to be rather intelligible but if it turns out to be a inmate at Angola named Bubba who's never seen a television then at least i put a disclaimer) http://www.ecoustics.com/reviews/sony-kdl-55w905a/

Quote: "One final feature to mention is the Sony 55W905A’s really exceptional input lag performance.
Our tests revealed that – so long as you use the TV’s game preset and turn off as much video processing as possible – Sony’s new flagship TV takes barely 10ms for on-screen video signals to arrive at its inputs. This is the lowest figure we’ve seen from a TV (as opposed to a dedicated PC monitor)."

Edited by FiveOhFour - 5/13/13 at 4:44am
post #512 of 1308
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Originally Posted by FiveOhFour View Post


Quote: "One final feature to mention is the Sony 55W905A’s really exceptional input lag performance.
Our tests revealed that – so long as you use the TV’s game preset and turn off as much video processing as possible – Sony’s new flagship TV takes barely 10ms for on-screen video signals to arrive at its inputs. This is the lowest figure we’ve seen from a TV (as opposed to a dedicated PC monitor)."

This truly is an epic and groundbreaking tv for gamers, of course with the best comes a price, nearly 3 thousand dollars to buy it. I hope someone could convince Sony to release the 46 inch version in the US.
post #513 of 1308
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch321 View Post

This truly is an epic and groundbreaking tv for gamers, of course with the best comes a price, nearly 3 thousand dollars to buy it. I hope someone could convince Sony to release the 46 inch version in the US.
The only problem in this number is that the reviewer doesn't state how they came to such a low input lag. Whether it be the leo bodnar method, or comparing it to another screen.
post #514 of 1308
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch321 View Post

This truly is an epic and groundbreaking tv for gamers, of course with the best comes a price, nearly 3 thousand dollars to buy it. I hope someone could convince Sony to release the 46 inch version in the US.

Wouldn't that be nice biggrin.gif (for all you gamers)
post #515 of 1308
has anyone tried sports games on the ST60? Fifa, Madden, or NBa 2k?
post #516 of 1308
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Originally Posted by jyoung117 View Post

has anyone tried sports games on the ST60? Fifa, Madden, or NBa 2k?

+1.

I'd like to know how it fares with sports games as well.
post #517 of 1308
Bought the 55ST60 last week and since this thread almost scared me away from purchasing this, I thought I would give my opinion.

I have only put in maybe 20 minutes of gaming (played Rachet and Crank - was at the gf's so no FPS games yet...)

I enabled game mode and did not notice any detrimental effect on the lag. Sure there was a slight delay when I was pushing around on the PS home screen, but in game, I did not notice anything. I push jump, he jumped immediately... I did however notice a crystal clear, beautiful picture.

Just for the browsers bouncing around thinking about it. I am by no means a hardcore gamer, though I do enjoy playing for 2-3 hours a week. I had no issues with my set and is a great purchase!

-Jeff
post #518 of 1308
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Originally Posted by El Matadurr View Post

The only problem in this number is that the reviewer doesn't state how they came to such a low input lag. Whether it be the leo bodnar method, or comparing it to another screen.
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When we placed our Leo Bodnar input lag tester on the generated flashing box with the Sony KDL-55W905A set to [Game Mode], we were bowled over by the returned figure of 19.6ms, the lowest we’ve recorded since we started using the device. Seeking to verify this unheard-of level of gaming responsiveness, we then used the more conventional high-speed camera/ digital timer method, which showed the W9 lagging by merely 8ms (half a frame) compared to a CRT display.

Source: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-kdl55w905a-201305172987.htm?page=Performance
post #519 of 1308
Yeah Hearzy, update us with some FPS game info. Also I asked in the ST60 deals thread but haven't received an answer yet...what are the 55St60's selling for now?
post #520 of 1308
I paid 1499 in Ontario.

Tried modern ware fare 2 to ight again for only like 15 min. Very minimal to me.

I will try and post a vid with the controller and screen in the camera for viewing. Don't let these posts scare you away. Unless you are that die hard of a gamer you will not even notice. It is insignificant.
post #521 of 1308
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Originally Posted by Hearzy View Post

I paid 1499 in Ontario.

Tried modern ware fare 2 to ight again for only like 15 min. Very minimal to me.

I will try and post a vid with the controller and screen in the camera for viewing. Don't let these posts scare you away. Unless you are that die hard of a gamer you will not even notice. It is insignificant.


If you're going from a set with minimal input lag, gaming on the st60 is a hard pill to swallow. PQ is through the roof though.
post #522 of 1308
Well hot damn.

That's fast.
post #523 of 1308
So I played for another hour tonight. Black ops. Was playing 2 player with a buddy. (Btw the 3d is a Sweet feature!!!)

I did end up noticing a slight lag in the motion, but all in all, I am almost 30 and I will take the quality of the picture for this (in my opinion) minimal downside as i did not find it changed my gameplay. My friend who was playing did not end up mentioning anything about it, even after I told him wanted to try it out for this reason.

. And for the above poster. I am coming from a Sony old school 47" tube tv so I am assuming that is minimal lag.. Correct me if I am wrong.

I am a happy camper with the purchase.

Just finished watching the dark knight on it before gaming and damn it is absolutely sexy.

Give it a shot and it will stay in 90% of your households.

As I said, I am not hardcore by any means, but it is a good past time of mine for a few hours a week and I have no issues with this solid purchase.

-Jeff
post #524 of 1308
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Originally Posted by Hearzy View Post

So I played for another hour tonight. Black ops. Was playing 2 player with a buddy. (Btw the 3d is a Sweet feature!!!)

I did end up noticing a slight lag in the motion, but all in all, I am almost 30 and I will take the quality of the picture for this (in my opinion) minimal downside as i did not find it changed my gameplay. My friend who was playing did not end up mentioning anything about it, even after I told him wanted to try it out for this reason.

. And for the above poster. I am coming from a Sony old school 47" tube tv so I am assuming that is minimal lag.. Correct me if I am wrong.

I am a happy camper with the purchase.

Just finished watching the dark knight on it before gaming and damn it is absolutely sexy.

Give it a shot and it will stay in 90% of your households.

As I said, I am not hardcore by any means, but it is a good past time of mine for a few hours a week and I have no issues with this solid purchase.

-Jeff
Keep in mind you are confirming that the lag isn't as noticeable in 60fps games (CoD) as 30fps ones. Glad you're happy with it, though. smile.gif
post #525 of 1308
I will have to try battlefield later today then.
post #526 of 1308
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Originally Posted by Hearzy View Post

I will have to try battlefield later today then.

Are you playing BF on PS3, Xbox or PC and connecting to your st60?? Which BF game? Look forward to your results!
post #527 of 1308
I'm not sure how many fps MGS4 is, but I just finished playing for an hour or so, and I didn't notice any lag whatsoever. The controls were very responsive, IMO.

Thinking it was too good to be true, I popped in LittleBigPlanet Karting, and it did seem laggier than MGS4. However, i didn't think it would be detrimental to gaming performance in any way. And honestly, unless you're a hardcore gamer used playing on a CRT, I don't think you'd notice anything unless you're looking for it. If this thread wasn't here, I think a vast majority of people wouldn't even know of the "issue."
post #528 of 1308
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Originally Posted by Shoeless Joe View Post

I'm not sure how many fps MGS4 is, but I just finished playing for an hour or so, and I didn't notice any lag whatsoever. The controls were very responsive, IMO.

Thinking it was too good to be true, I popped in LittleBigPlanet Karting, and it did seem laggier than MGS4. However, i didn't think it would be detrimental to gaming performance in any way. And honestly, unless you're a hardcore gamer used playing on a CRT, I don't think you'd notice anything unless you're looking for it. If this thread wasn't here, I think a vast majority of people wouldn't even know of the "issue."

I agree Joe, and with the latest trashing of the Sony W802a model at Cnet, I'm pretty much sold on the St60 now. According to most people who have tried gaming with the St60 have said they don't notice the lag even though it exists, kind of like a sasquatch standing in the woods, he's there but you can't actually see him.
post #529 of 1308
Hi everybody. Iam a french guy so sorry for my english. I ordered a 65ST60 but i wanna know if samsung glasses ssg5100 are Ok for st60 because panasonic glasses are so much expensives ?

2nd question: hdd over 2to like 3to is functional or not ?

Thanks a lot for all your answer
post #530 of 1308
I am playing ps3. All I will use my tv with other than Netflix.

Tried single player of battlefield 3 this morning and to be honest I noticed less of a lag. Only played for about 10 min before I went for golf.

Was going to try online but had a 2 gb download. Will post a vid at some point this evening since all these l337 gamers are scaring the general public away from the tv.

-Jeff
post #531 of 1308
How it the ST60 compared to the GT60 with input lag in mind?

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post #532 of 1308
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Hearzy View Post

I am playing ps3. All I will use my tv with other than Netflix.

Tried single player of battlefield 3 this morning and to be honest I noticed less of a lag. Only played for about 10 min before I went for golf.

Was going to try online but had a 2 gb download. Will post a vid at some point this evening since all these l337 gamers are scaring the general public away from the tv.

-Jeff

Great, glad you're happy with it. Enjoy the set, however, all the evidence is against your awareness of the lag on the set. It would be like me saying undefeatable red push on a particular TV is perfectly fine don't let those 1337 videophiles scare you away. But you're happy, so I'm not going to tell you what to think about your new TV. Have fun with it.
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Originally Posted by Jurge92 View Post

How it the ST60 compared to the GT60 with input lag in mind?

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Almost 2x as laggy. The GT60 is 40ish ms and the ST60 is 73 ms. Ah, just noticed you're in Norway. I would go for the GT60. If it was available here in North America, I would have probably picked it over the ST60. The price difference can't be that big.
post #533 of 1308
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Originally Posted by Moonchilde View Post

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Originally Posted by Jurge92 View Post

How it the ST60 compared to the GT60 with input lag in mind?

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Almost 2x as laggy. The GT60 is 40ish ms and the ST60 is 73 ms. Ah, just noticed you're in Norway. I would go for the GT60. If it was available here in North America, I would have probably picked it over the ST60. The price difference can't be that big.

The price difference is about 3000 NOK($512 USD). I think it's worth it. However, my only needs are gaming, which makes the price tag of $2 220 USD hard to swallow. In Norway, the prices are unforgivable, but I don't have much choice. Do you know of another TV that might fit my need better?

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post #534 of 1308
http://youtu.be/RBH2KIItq-8

Here is a poor quality link to me showing the game with controller in hand for your viewing of lag against the button pushing on battlefield 3
post #535 of 1308
That is quite some delay, or is the movie playing tricks one me?
Did you enable "gamer mode" btw ? biggrin.gif
post #536 of 1308
Thanks Hearzy.
post #537 of 1308
I don't find it bad at all.

Don't even notice it...

The split second it takes is not a deal breaker in the grand scheme of things.

As well, all tvs have lag, so in reality, there is minimal extra compared to any of the tvs.

Anyway, I feel I have given all I can regarding this topic. You all can decide now
post #538 of 1308
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Originally Posted by Hearzy View Post

http://youtu.be/RBH2KIItq-8

Here is a poor quality link to me showing the game with controller in hand for your viewing of lag against the button pushing on battlefield 3

That looks just like the lag I saw when I demoed it as well. Game mode on right? I wonder if some of these people who say they don't feel it could even feel it with the game mode off. If not then I guess they're some of those people who could have like almost 200 ms on an LCD and not feel it.
post #539 of 1308
Yes game mode is on.

Don't get what you are saying? It is bad or not?

To me- this is fine and in gameplay. You can't even tell.... But to each their own
post #540 of 1308
Yes, it's really bad if you do a bit of competitive gaming on it, most tv's are not as bad as this when it comes to input lag, last years model is waaaaaay better,
But I'm glad you find it satisfying though, like you said, to each their own smile.gif
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