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post #241 of 792
I'll be getting the 60F6400 on tuesday. I haven't seen a lot of talk about the 60" (mainly 75" strangely enough smile.gif ), and am curious as to what i should look out for.

Will the panel be made by Sammy or someone else and how will i be able to tell? Is there a benefit from one manufacturer over another?

People with the 60": what kind of banding, flashlighting, DSE problems are you seeing?

I'm upgrading from a 7 year old LNT4661. Will pretty much everything about the new set be better? (aside from reflections on the screen i mean rolleyes.gif )

Finally, what's up with rubbing the screen to get rid of clouding/flashlighting? microfiber cloth? how much pressure?

thanks in advance and sorry for all the elementary questions!
post #242 of 792
I just got the 75" today and am playing around with the "smart" features. I'm having a problem with the TV controlling the Directv dvr. The TV is able to change the channels on the dvr properly for all channels above 100. For channels less than 100 it enters the wrong channel number. For example, when I go to the guide and type select channel 2, I see the channel number 2958 entered on the DVR and then the DVR says the channel doesn't exist. The channels above 100 are the same across the country and the ones below are local channels. I've entered and re-entered my correct zip code and provider. I suspect that Samsung has the wrong local channel info in it's database. Funny though that the channel numbers show up correctly in the guide. I can change to channel 2 if I type in the '2' rather than using guide. I called Samsung and they couldn't solve the problem. The rep said to call Directv in case they've heard of the problem or maybe they could enter dummy channel numbers. I don't have much hope of Directv being able to help in this case. I've also tried a couple other zip codes in my area and still get the same problem. Has anyone else seen this problem? Has anyone else been able to have the tv control a Directv dvr and tune local channels correctly?
post #243 of 792
Trouptra welcome to the 75" club. I don't use any of the "smart" features as I find their inconsistencies maddening. All that said, I would recommend you also post the question in the 8000 And 7100 threads since they are more heavily trafficked and have more or less the same OS.
post #244 of 792
I'm torn between the 6400 and the 7100 in the 65" size.

Have any of you compared the 2 models?
I'm only really concerned about overall picture quality for both HD ans SD, and motion handling for sports. I don't know if there are any differences between these 2 models regarding these aspects.

Both models have the same level of micro dimming.
The 7100 has the Cinema Black feature that I understand only affects the top and bottom letterboxes on certain films.
The 7100 seems to have a slightly more reflective screen which I don't like.
The 7100 has a silver bezel which again I don't like.

But of the video processing and motion handling is better on the 7100, that would be really important to me.

Thanks.
post #245 of 792
Frank fwiw the primary difference I noticed bt the 6400 and 7100 was the cinema black feature. This was comparing 46" sets. I didn't even notice the bezel color difference (maybe they're the same at 46"?) CB is a noticeable improvement, but wasn't worth the (then $1500, now $1000) price difference at 75". I would pay a few hundred $ for it, not more. And I watch a decent amount of 2.35:1 stuff on blu ray.

I didn't do any torture testing to assess motion but I have no complaints on my 75" 6400. Note that in terms of motion/processing the higher level sets just add more trickery. The underlying panels have the same native refresh rate to my knowledge. Bt the 7100 can insert more fake frames (and the 8000 still more than that) all of which adds up to soap opera effect, which I hate. So I leave that stuff off. Thus another "improvement" not worth paying for in my case.
post #246 of 792
Can someone do me a huge favor if they have the 75" version of this set? I am looking at getting this and my current TV stand supports a 67" sammy. This looks like it may just barely fit on my existing stand. I'd like to know what the dimensions are for the stand itself width/length wise? I tried to get some specs on the product id pages but it's a bit hard to determine if it will fit. The main problem I have with my stand is it tapers inwards after a couple inches in from the front, so I don't know if the back portion of the stand's legs will be 'floating' off the edge of the stand or still be stabilized?

Another question - are there alternatives that can be purchased for the exist stand mount? Sucks that I have to potentially buy a new stand just because the stand isn't traditional. If it was from the center, I'd be golden.
post #247 of 792
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Can someone do me a huge favor if they have the 75" version of this set? I am looking at getting this and my current TV stand supports a 67" sammy. This looks like it may just barely fit on my existing stand. I'd like to know what the dimensions are for the stand itself width/length wise? I tried to get some specs on the product id pages but it's a bit hard to determine if it will fit. The main problem I have with my stand is it tapers inwards after a couple inches in from the front, so I don't know if the back portion of the stand's legs will be 'floating' off the edge of the stand or still be stabilized?

Another question - are there alternatives that can be purchased for the exist stand mount? Sucks that I have to potentially buy a new stand just because the stand isn't traditional. If it was from the center, I'd be golden.

I have the 75" but am away for the week. Sorry can't give you a timely reply...
post #248 of 792
No worries. I'll have to see how it fits when it comes in Wednesday. smile.gif picked up the 75 inch version. I was torn between this and the f7100 but It's hard to justify another thousand although I wish this had the glossy screen. Hopefully, the image will still pop in home and the lack of 240hz won't affect gaming.

Coming from a 67 inch dlp led. Getting it through amazon.
post #249 of 792
So I'm prepping to calibrate her sometime this weekend after delivery is done. I see there are some good settings posted in this thread but had some questions for everyone.

Sources: HTPC used only for gaming, ps3 which is both gaming and blu ray viewing, xbox 360, wii u, set top box.

1.) My current setup has my inputs all going into a Yamaha receiver which then goes to one of the inputs on my current tv. It's sounding like the best way to handle sources is to instead have them directly go into the tv since I'll want individual settings per input (and I'm assuming I can't have different custom settings on one input?)

2.) Was thinking of doing calibration via a blu ray calibration disc but that won't work for anything other than the ps3. How would I handle calibration for the others?

3.) What's the best way to handle the calibration for the ps3 considered it's used for both gaming and movies? Wish inputs let you save different templates of settings you could just change to on the same input. But considering I'd have to use game mode for ps3 I'm wondering if I'll have to just use that as well for the blu rays?

4.) Any tips for wiring in terms of inputs in relation to the receiver? I know the tv only has 4 hdmi inputs so trying to figure out how to remedy that. I could possibly use the htpc and xbox 360 fed through the receiver that then goes to the tv, fixing the lack of the one input on the tv itself. This is assuming the settings for both will be identical on the tv's input.
post #250 of 792
Anyone have tips on the above? Would be great to know before setting it up tomorrow!
post #251 of 792
If you want a glossy screen with pop don't worry. Though the 6400 is not a mirror, it's glossy enough smile.gif

I wire all my sources through my receiver and a single HDMI to the set. And I use a Harmony remote. I find Samsung's implementation of CEC to be maddening. I also don't use any of its "smart" (lol) features as outboard devices are superior IMO.

As far as calibration I would use a bluray in the ps3 for movies and forget the rest. Your cable stb will vary from channel to channel. Essentially no way to calibrate for that.

For gaming, maybe use a different picture mode on the TV you can switch to for all your game rigs - one with minimal processing, etc. There are lots of posts in the 7100 and 8000 threads about activating PC mode for minimal processings and low lag times. Haven't done that myself so can't tell you how or what the results are. But folks are definitely doing it.

Congrats on the 75"! Sorry I'm still not home to give you those measurements...

I would try simply swapping the set for your current set with everything else as-is. And go from there. If what I describe above doesn't work well you can always try something more complex as far as connections and control.
post #252 of 792
Thanks for the response! I have a harmony remote as well. I would wonder if it does macros so I can switch to game mode more easily. It's one of the higher end models and I know game mode is nested within a couple menus. Wish they had a direct key for it.

As for running the receiver with one hdmi out to the tv, does that mean I can change to different picture modes all on the same input? It's been a while since I had to mess with my current Samsung but I for some reason thought that you either couldn't do this or if you could, some settings were shared and would mess with other picture modes (for example if I set it to game mode and adjusted brightness, it would affect picture mode). Would be great if these were all discrete because then I'd just set them up like you describe and just have the harmony change the picture modes.

Glad to hear it's glossy enough. As long as my picture pops I'll be happy! Do you know how much of a difference the higher motion/refresh rate feature on the 7100 makes? I read it's twice the refresh rate. I personally don't care for the soap opera effect but I'm hoping there isn't judder or screen tearing for motion, especially for games. Thanks in advance.
post #253 of 792
Oh, also not too worried about the size. I read someone attached a D base stand to this which looked like it made the stand come out of the center. Would if anyone has experience with this? I thibk I should be fine either way as it looks like the back legs taper inwards which should in theory work to line up perfectly with my stand.
post #254 of 792
And I'm with you on the smart features. I'll probably play with it for a bit and never touch it again. Especially with these new gaming consoles coming out, they already have most if not all the features that the smart tv's do, and in most cases handle it better.
post #255 of 792
Whoa. So here's a bit of news. I just dropped into Best Buy since my tv's shipment got delayed until tomorrow (truck broke down. Damn!). Wanted to drool at the tv and torture myself lol.

Anyways, they had a 50 inch and 75 inch 6400 as well as a 65 inch 6300. The 75 inch version of this tv has a Far glossier screen surface. I'd say close to the 7100 in comparisons. I quadruple checked this from various angles looking at reflections against black and normal images. Also verified it looking at the bezel and price tag (plus the on screen display said the model). Pleasantly surprised although I'm surprised no one else caught this unless there is something very strange going on with their store model.
post #256 of 792
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Can someone do me a huge favor if they have the 75" version of this set? I am looking at getting this and my current TV stand supports a 67" sammy. This looks like it may just barely fit on my existing stand. I'd like to know what the dimensions are for the stand itself width/length wise? I tried to get some specs on the product id pages but it's a bit hard to determine if it will fit. The main problem I have with my stand is it tapers inwards after a couple inches in from the front, so I don't know if the back portion of the stand's legs will be 'floating' off the edge of the stand or still be stabilized?

Another question - are there alternatives that can be purchased for the exist stand mount? Sucks that I have to potentially buy a new stand just because the stand isn't traditional. If it was from the center, I'd be golden.



I also would be very interested in the MAX width of the stand on the 75". The TV is 66.1" wide and looking at pictures it looks like the stand is almost the same width frown.gif. I wish they would have stuck with the center mount stand. Currently have a
73" Mits DLP on a custom built stand. My stand is 62" wide. If someone at some point could measure max width and max depth of stand I would really appreciate it...
Thanks, Gerry
post #257 of 792
I just got my tv and noticed there's a thick acrylic she'll around the bezel. Is this supposed to come off or stay on?
post #258 of 792
If it is supposed to come off can someone tell me how to do so?
post #259 of 792
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

I just got my tv and noticed there's a thick acrylic she'll around the bezel. Is this supposed to come off or stay on?

Its supposed to stay on smile.gif.

The acrylic shell is on other Samsungs as well; the one on the 6300 is 1/8" - 1/4" thicker than the 6400. On the higher-end models, its chrome/silver. Its just an accent Samsung attaches.
post #260 of 792
Great, thanks! Yeah it was throwing me off. I've been playing with the set for the past few hours using the settings that Anthony posted from the f8000 thread. I really love the picture quality so far. That said, there are some issues I'm noticing.

1.) Anthony mentioned using Hdmi black level low but this is grayed out to me on my stb feed and only enabled on the ps3. I'm not sure why since it's the same picture mode. What enables this?

2.) Does anyone know what color settings and specific display settings I should be using on the ps3 and box itself?

3.) I definitely notice some jutter with the motion settings on while panning the camera quickly in games. I've tried clear and the custom settings but believe I'll need to leave this off. Does the higher refresh rate of the 7100 do anything in regards to the motion of fast scenes if I'm not using the artifical smoothing effects? I loved how smooth the last of us looked with it on, I just wish I could find a way go have it look that smooth without any vertical artifacts//banding/jutter.

4.) By far the biggest thing I'm dealing with... No ghosting or clouds anywhere in the center of the screen. But all around the edges about 2.5 inches wide the image is slightly brighter, when viewing brighter scenes/backdrops. You can see it if you look for it. I noticed it the instant I turned on the set and was on the light blue Samsung setup screen. As for the flashlight effect I see a tiny bit at the bottom left on dark scenes but no where near enough for me to exchange the set.

The band's on the edges though may make me swap the set. I don't know if this is normal. Also I don't know if the 7100 is better about this and number 3 above.

Here are pictures of the issue I'm seeing. If you look at the left and right edges of the screen and you'll see this faint line that runs up/top. It's hard to capture with my phone but gives you an idea. Hopefully, people can see it and tell me if this is normal:







Edited by cstrasz - 7/18/13 at 6:56pm
post #261 of 792
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

Great, thanks! Yeah it was throwing me off. I've been playing with the set for the past few hours using the settings that Anthony posted from the f8000 thread. I really love the picture quality so far. That said, there are some issues I'm noticing.

1.) Anthony mentioned using Hdmi black level low but this is grayed out to me on my stb feed and only enabled on the ps3. I'm not sure why since it's the same picture mode. What enables this?

2.) Does anyone know what color settings and specific display settings I should be using on the ps3 and box itself?

3.) I definitely notice some jutter with the motion settings on while panning the camera quickly in games. I've tried clear and the custom settings but believe I'll need to leave this off. Does the higher refresh rate of the 7100 do anything in regards to the motion of fast scenes if I'm not using the artifical smoothing effects? I loved how smooth the last of us looked with it on, I just wish I could find a way go have it look that smooth without any vertical artifacts//banding/jutter.

4.) By far the biggest thing I'm dealing with... No ghosting or clouds anywhere in the center of the screen. But all around the edges about 2.5 inches wide the image is slightly brighter, when viewing brighter scenes/backdrops. You can see it if you look for it. I noticed it the instant I turned on the set and was on the light blue Samsung setup screen. As for the flashlight effect I see a tiny bit at the bottom left on dark scenes but no where near enough for me to exchange the set.

The band's on the edges though may make me swap the set. I don't know if this is normal. Also I don't know if the 7100 is better about this and number 3 above.

Here are pictures of the issue I'm seeing. If you look at the left and right edges of the screen and you'll see this faint line that runs up/top. It's hard to capture with my phone but gives you an idea. Hopefully, people can see it and tell me if this is normal:







Anyone have thoughts on the above? Wondering if I should do a swap since I got it through amazon but worried I'll get something worse... Otherwise, amazed with the picture quality!
post #262 of 792
Well, definitely noticing some clouding on the left side as well. I didn't see this until watching the hobbit in 3d last night. Guessing its more apparent given the backlight being at 20. :/

Does the 7100 have similar issues?

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post #263 of 792
The stand is around 64.75" wide, sorry to say.

On those bright edges around the screen, mine has what I would call a very slight hint of that, but nowhe near what's appearing in your photos.

On hdmi black level, not sure how but the set seems to sense when sources have a choice of output settings. The PS3 setting is called something like rgb range and should be set to Limited, which corresponds to Low on the Samsung, and is the correct setting pair for Video levels. Not sure how that impacts games.

Re: the single hdmi run, unfortunately you're right in that some settings are shared across picture modes while others are local. I've not played with it enough to say which but I recall reading as much when looking through Buzz' posts in the 8000 thread. Given your variety of sours and uses, the single hdmi may not be the best set up for you frown.gif
post #264 of 792
Thanks Anthony. The TV fits perfectly on my stand. It's like it was made for it, so I lucked out on that end smile.gif.

I am still loving the set, even with the issues. I decided to do a swap for the same one with Amazon since they're so good about it. I'm going to see if the new one exhibits these problems. If it's worse, I'll be crying lol. Hopefully, it'll be better. I'm guessing the 7100's don't fare much better in this regard? I'd be willing to 'step up' if I needed to to ensure minimization of some of these issues.

As for the HDMI situation, I'm thinking of doing an HDMI splitter from the receiver to the television. Really, all I want to be able to do is have the receiver output to HDMI 2 for the television, HDMI 3 for my consoles (with Game Mode already on) and HDMI 4 for the Gaming HTPC (since it's labelled as such). Alternatively, I could just run the consoles and HTPC all to HDMI 4 assuming the PC mode.

Main thing I need to determine is if this messes with video quality, splitting the HDMI and also if there are splitters that my Harmony Remote can tell to 'switch' on/off between the outputs of the switch.
post #265 of 792
So I notice that sometimes when switching between different sources (blue ray player, set top box) the TV won't pick up the signal. Sources are all going through a Yamaha receiver to HDMI 1. I have to manually turn off and on the source to have the TV recognize a feed is coming in. Anyone else have this issue?
post #266 of 792
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

So I notice that sometimes when switching between different sources (blue ray player, set top box) the TV won't pick up the signal. Sources are all going through a Yamaha receiver to HDMI 1. I have to manually turn off and on the source to have the TV recognize a feed is coming in. Anyone else have this issue?

Haven't had that happen. If not too much trouble maybe you can connect them directly to the set to see if it still happens. If not its the receiver. If so it's another reason to exchange your set smile.gif

Not sure if the 7100 would reduce the issues you've found Plenty of folks in the 7100 (and 8000...) threads complaining about the usual edge lit LCD issues. Seems like you got a relatively bad panel. Hopefully the next one will be better!
post #267 of 792
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Originally Posted by cstrasz View Post

So I notice that sometimes when switching between different sources (blue ray player, set top box) the TV won't pick up the signal. Sources are all going through a Yamaha receiver to HDMI 1. I have to manually turn off and on the source to have the TV recognize a feed is coming in. Anyone else have this issue?

Haven't had that happen. If not too much trouble maybe you can connect them directly to the set to see if it still happens. If not its the receiver. If so it's another reason to exchange your set smile.gif

Not sure if the 7100 would reduce the issues you've found Plenty of folks in the 7100 (and 8000...) threads complaining about the usual edge lit LCD issues. Seems like you got a relatively bad panel. Hopefully the next one will be better!

Anythony this is something I couldn't get any answers on by since you've seen both the 7100 and the 6400 side by side maybe you have some insight.

Do you know if the 240hz makes any noticeable difference on the 7100? My understanding was its only a factor when you have the cinema motion on?

By the way not sure if you saw my post but our 75" sets actually have a glossier screen than the smaller sizes. This was actually a good thing for me since that was one of the things leaning me towards the 7100 at first, since some of the reviews said it helped the image "pop" more. I don't know what screen it is but it's definitely different. I swear it actually seemed glossier than one of the 7100s I saw next to it in a smaller size.

Last question I had was I'm seeing all these posts regarding certain sets having Samsung vs sharp LCDs depending on the size. Any idea what the 75 uses? Not sure I necessarily buy into there being differences but I'm curious all the same. Thanks! Still loving your set?

Hoping this next one works out better. If its the same as my current one I'll still probably keep it just because I don't see an alternative at the size with the good qualities this set has. But here's to hoping its even better.

I ordered a Darby last night. Totally unwarranted but I'm really curious to see what impact it has on TVs of this size. I usually avoid any video processors but since I game a lot I'm eager to see what effect it has. Will report my findings when its all set up.
post #268 of 792
Not sure if anyone's been following the 7100 thread but Samsung updated the firmware twice this week. First to 1107 and then to 1108 a couple days after. No info yet on what it changed. Anyone take to plunge? If so, have you noticed anything?

I'm still on 1106. Hadn't planned on updating until I know what it changed
post #269 of 792
I really hate SOE so that 240/480/960 black light strobing is garbage for me. I know some people really dig the look but to me....awful. It certainly impacts motion, but to me in a way that I can't stand!

On the panel, I have to assume it's a Samsung in the 75" because Samsung is the only mfr shipping a 75" set whereas everyone and their uncle sells a 70" these days it seems.

I am very conservative about updating the firmware in these sets since the last one wiped some - but not all - of my settings AND did other bizarre stuff like added my cable stb to the universal remote set up which then wreaked havoc when trying to control everything the way I wanted. Took me a while to figure out since Anynet CEC stuff was all off.

Also, if you look at the release notes for each of the last few FW updates they all list the same five bullet points. Basically "everything is a little better" type stuff. Until they post something definitive, or someone can demonstrably show an improvement or added feature I want I'm going to leave mine alone. It all "just works" for now and I don't want to screw that up smile.gif
post #270 of 792
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I really hate SOE so that 240/480/960 black light strobing is garbage for me. I know some people really dig the look but to me....awful. It certainly impacts motion, but to me in a way that I can't stand!

On the panel, I have to assume it's a Samsung in the 75" because Samsung is the only mfr shipping a 75" set whereas everyone and their uncle sells a 70" these days it seems.

I am very conservative about updating the firmware in these sets since the last one wiped some - but not all - of my settings AND did other bizarre stuff like added my cable stb to the universal remote set up which then wreaked havoc when trying to control everything the way I wanted. Took me a while to figure out since Anynet CEC stuff was all off.

Also, if you look at the release notes for each of the last few FW updates they all list the same five bullet points. Basically "everything is a little better" type stuff. Until they post something definitive, or someone can demonstrably show an improvement or added feature I want I'm going to leave mine alone. It all "just works" for now and I don't want to screw that up smile.gif

I tried locating a site with the firmware release notes but didn't have much luck. Any idea where this is? The Samsung support site didn't list it when I input the model. Although I have was on the mobile version of the site.
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