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Seven Years ago HD DVD Landed....

post #1 of 31
Thread Starter 
Ya, I just had to start another thread about the good old days.....biggrin.gif

Seven years, my how time has passed on quickly since then. So here is a toast to HD DVD being first out of the gate, fun times with the format war, and may we all live long and healthy.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/834212/one-year-ago-today-happy-birthday-hddvd
http://www.avsforum.com/t/667248/toshiba-hd-a1-hd-dvd-first-end-user-reports
post #2 of 31
Seven years? Wow - I hadn't realized how long its been. I'm still watching some of them too. smile.gif
post #3 of 31
Thread Starter 
Craig,

It seemed like it took forever for us to finally get HD content on disc (DVHS offered a small helping hand with tape of course), and now 7 years have just flown by. Anyone getting the 7 year itch?wink.gif Need some 4k.biggrin.gif
post #4 of 31
Landed, you mean crashed killing all aboard?
post #5 of 31
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Landed, you mean crashed killing all aboard?

I'm not sure what you are referring to. My HD-DVD players and titles are still getting used quite a bit - and we're all still alive . . .
post #6 of 31
Ya, it took a while, and the damn format war was a pain. But I sure am enjoying both my HD DVD disks and Blu Rays. Some amazing looking movies coming out these days.

4K - I'm in no hurry. I'm guessing that it will take 4 more years for any 4K content to be readily available in any quantity.

It will take them 4 more years to finish releasing and selling us everything on Blu Ray anyway. Then I can start buying all over again.. eek.gif
post #7 of 31
I remember being jealous of the guy who got his HD DVDs on Friday the 14th (or was it Thursday night the 13th?). I bought my player on Saturday, and the wait until the discs were available locally on Tuesday the 18th seemed like ages.

Carrying the HD-A1 to the front of the store, and then out to my car, though, was the biggest new-product thrill I can remember since probably my first VCR or first new color TV, and those were in 1979. What a rush!
post #8 of 31
Thread Starter 
Chris,

Those were fun fun times. I also clearly remember scoring a HD-A1 at launch at Best Buy, walking out in the parking lot with my 12 year old son ( who is now coming up on 20) and raising the HD-A1 box above my head and yelling YEAH! Then the search was on for discs.wink.gif
post #9 of 31
That was so damn exciting! I was on the edge of my seat for an entire two weeks. Searched my local area high and low and finally got one at Sears of all places lol
post #10 of 31
Had some friends over to watch The Fast and the Furious the other night - if I recall correctly, that was one of the first HD DVD disks available, wasn't it? Still a fun / good looking and sounding movie !!
post #11 of 31
Yes. Good memories. Still have my XA2 and the upconversion is awesome. However, I still ask myself if HDDVD had won the format war could it have done 3D? Or was the capacity limited by a less superior technology compared to the Blu-rays ability to have lots and lots of gigabits on a disk?
post #12 of 31
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Originally Posted by Edllguy View Post

Yes. Good memories. Still have my XA2 and the upconversion is awesome. However, I still ask myself if HDDVD had won the format war could it have done 3D? Or was the capacity limited by a less superior technology compared to the Blu-rays ability to have lots and lots of gigabits on a disk?

Everyone seems to forget that, when Warners threw the hammer, Toshiba had a press conference scheduled to announce the 51GB disc. Since that's one GB more than BD ("It goes to 11!"), it could certainly handle 3D.
post #13 of 31
Final nail in the coffin was the $500 million bribe Sony paid to Paramount to switch to Blu. Sony was also giving manufacturers a $3 credit per disc to manufacture BDs. That made the cost between HD-DVD and BD about equal but the fail rate for BD at the time was around 60% vs. 10-15% for HD-DVD. Cycle times for BD-25 was around 4.5 seconds and 6 seconds for BD-50 vs 2.0 to 2.5 seconds for HD-DVD. The disc lines the manufacturer used for HD-DVD only required a $25,000 coating/curing station upgrade to convert them from DVD to HD-DVD production but BD required new lines costing about $2 million each to make BD.
post #14 of 31
I still remember the thrill of buying my 360 HD DVD player from circuit city and getting free movies with it. I also bought my dad an HD DVD player Christmas '07 because I was sure HD DVD would win...we all know what happened just a few months later tongue.gif
post #15 of 31
About the only magazines I have "hoarded" over the years is "Home Theater" and"Sound and Vision" (for the past 20 years LOL). The most entertaining reading nowadays is around 2004-2006 where they write about the evolution of "HD DVD" Alot of both early development news, and speculation. Around early 2008 is when it all began to fall apart for HDDVD. I remember I had 3 movie gallerys around SWFL and bought nearly 50 of their disks when they discontinued it. Funny story is I bought Beowulf the weekend before it was even released, they would NOT sell it to me till that following tuesday when it was due to hit the shelf.
Edited by jfbar1 - 4/23/13 at 8:48am
post #16 of 31
I still watch HD DVD movies in my office when I am working.. just have them on in the background. I have about 50 movies but watch maybe 10 of them with any kind of regularity.
post #17 of 31
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Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

Everyone seems to forget that, when Warners threw the hammer, Toshiba had a press conference scheduled to announce the 51GB disc. Since that's one GB more than BD ("It goes to 11!"), it could certainly handle 3D.

Not necessarily so! The 51GB was talked about a lot when BD was gaining steam with 50GB disc but then you didn't hear a lot about it. Also it was not just a data space issue but a transfer rate issue. HD DVD was limited to a max rate of somewhere around 30Mbps. Also we never got a clear answer if the original units could support 51GB discs. It seems to me like the so-called finished spec wasn't finished was it?

The fact is the more capable format won.

Unless you are an insider no one really knows what was going to be in that cancelled CES presentation.

Warner did what they had to do to end the format war as quickly as possible. If they had gone HD DVD we would have been at a stalemate for a long time.
post #18 of 31
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Originally Posted by Toknowshita View Post

Not necessarily so! The 51GB was talked about a lot when BD was gaining steam with 50GB disc but then you didn't hear a lot about it. Also it was not just a data space issue but a transfer rate issue. HD DVD was limited to a max rate of somewhere around 30Mbps. Also we never got a clear answer if the original units could support 51GB discs. It seems to me like the so-called finished spec wasn't finished was it?

The fact is the more capable format won.

Unless you are an insider no one really knows what was going to be in that cancelled CES presentation.

Warner did what they had to do to end the format war as quickly as possible. If they had gone HD DVD we would have been at a stalemate for a long time.

While I'm not an "insider", I did hear at the time that some of the concerns you mentioned were going to be addressed. As it turned out, they never got the chance. But what exactly the responses were, we will now never know.
post #19 of 31
It was a FUD war to begin with. The DVD Group never seriously thought about an HD solution which was why the spec was tied to the physical disc structure of the standard DVD. The whole problem with changing specs that are tied to the basic foundation is why you never heard much about them. It would have caused massive compatibility problems with the original HD DVD players. Sure BD added things to their spec but they didn't change any thing with their original video and disc capability until 3D.
post #20 of 31
Still got my XA2 and lots of movies. HD-DVD may have gone but I will keep my Toshiba until it dies or I do smile.gif
post #21 of 31
Yup...Same here. I love my XA-2. I still watch HD DVD movies now and again. What does irk me is all of the Warner titles that have disc rot. I have yet to check all of them, but at least 15 are unplayable, so far (my 3 Bourne titles all have it!) But, as we all know, the XA-2 is one of the best players for standard DVD. I'll run this puppy till the wheels fall off.
post #22 of 31
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

Yup...Same here. I love my XA-2. I still watch HD DVD movies now and again. What does irk me is all of the Warner titles that have disc rot. I have yet to check all of them, but at least 15 are unplayable, so far (my 3 Bourne titles all have it!) But, as we all know, the XA-2 is one of the best players for standard DVD. I'll run this puppy till the wheels fall off.

Agree w/ everything you said. Love the XA2 and hate the disc rot!

But now that I have the Oppo 103, I'm going to do some subjective tests to see what I like better for DVD's.
post #23 of 31
My HDA1 is my primary DVD player in my dedicated HT. I use it when I compare a DVD to a upgraded BD, to see if I got stung or not. I've had it since the day it came out and it's still going strong. I have 20 movies left because the BDs never upgraded the audio, so why double dip.
post #24 of 31
I still have a XA2, A1,A3,Xbox add on, and an Onkyo 805. They all work flawlessly. As far as my movies go, I have approximately 120, and haven't found any with disc rot. I not too long ago ripped them all to my PC, and so I tested them. Now, I don't know if this matters, but all my movies were bought as they were released from Warner ( so I paid the first release high prices ), so maybe first run pressings were better. I'm just grasping at any idea that might explain why all my discs are fine.
post #25 of 31
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Originally Posted by rr6966 View Post

I still have a XA2, A1,A3,Xbox add on, and an Onkyo 805. They all work flawlessly. As far as my movies go, I have approximately 120, and haven't found any with disc rot. I not too long ago ripped them all to my PC, and so I tested them. Now, I don't know if this matters, but all my movies were bought as they were released from Warner ( so I paid the first release high prices ), so maybe first run pressings were better. I'm just grasping at any idea that might explain why all my discs are fine.

Could be the first pressing were better. Another is the the Xbox360 add-on player is less likely to give read errors than the Toshiba stand alone player. I had only 8 Warner disc out of over 150 that failed to rip, but it's likely that more than that won't play through flawlessly in the XA2. However I have the BH200 for backup, and it will play anything the Add-on player will (and even a few more I think).
post #26 of 31
Wow, i feel like I was late to the party. I remember waking up early one morning to stop at Wal-Mart when the A2 went on sale for $99- I think it was Novemeber'07

And who can forget the 5(?) free movies that came with it! smile.gif
post #27 of 31
I remember that day well. I walked into Walmart, and picked up the last 3 A2's. There was a mountain of a dude that came in after me that wanted to kill me. I couldn't leave the place fast enough. On Christmas, I gave one to my son, one to my daughter, and one for the wife and I. That same A2 is still in use in the master bedroom. Ah, those were the days!
post #28 of 31
Home entertainment-wise, for me nothing ever beat the thrill of going to Best Buy after work on launch day, getting the last of three players and a movie, and taking it home to watch HD for the first time.
post #29 of 31
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Originally Posted by bruceames View Post

Home entertainment-wise, for me nothing ever beat the thrill of going to Best Buy after work on launch day, getting the last of three players and a movie, and taking it home to watch HD for the first time.

You're telling me! I lived in a basement apartment at the time, local cable didn't offer HD yet, and if I was lucky, I could pick up a local station using an indoor antenna

I was in heaven not having to jerry rig anything, and just be able to load a disk and actually watch HD in ym living room!
post #30 of 31
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Originally Posted by Will Munshower View Post

I remember that day well. I walked into Walmart, and picked up the last 3 A2's. There was a mountain of a dude that came in after me that wanted to kill me. I couldn't leave the place fast enough. On Christmas, I gave one to my son, one to my daughter, and one for the wife and I. That same A2 is still in use in the master bedroom. Ah, those were the days!

They had 3 things on sale that morning- I remember being in line counting the people in front of me hoping I would still get a player

Then some lady just walks up to the manager and asks for one, AND HE HANDED IT OVER! I thought people were going to riot!
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