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Hi ss - Yes, I know you're using normal. I have a 65VT60 sitting in a room up in my Wausau place and I'll be there later next week - permanently except for renting in FL and Phoenix in the cold months. The 60 is still in the box and was opened only long enough to check the panel for cracks.... I'll set it up the normal way, using color temp closest to D65 and then adjust the Color Control to get minimum RGB Separation with LightSpace. Are you doing that? It's aiding good LUTs.

Yes I am doing the RGB separation. However I am still on the fence, do a full RGB balance/separation before running a Profile or just setting my white point first and after I have uploaded the LUT into eecolor do a RGB balance/separation then. The later seems to work best.
Let me know what you think, when you get to your VT60.

ss

Did you try Color Temp: Normal ?
Yes I know on paper Warm 2 is correct, however after you bring Blue under control you may find Color Temp: Normal to be better.

Lots of things to try. I know you've been "issued" the LS beta with the 21^ profiles. My fellow beta testers are finding increased accuracy over 17^. I'll find out soon enough but right now I'm 1600 miles from my displays and my gear. I'll have lots to play with. I have a Sony 4K 600ES projector sitting unopened in the box up there too. Woo hoo.......
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Lots of things to try. I know you've been "issued" the LS beta with the 21^ profiles. My fellow beta testers are finding increased accuracy over 17^. I'll find out soon enough but right now I'm 1600 miles from my displays and my gear. I'll have lots to play with. I have a Sony 4K 600ES projector sitting unopened in the box up there too. Woo hoo.......

Yes I like the 21^3 also, and as I just PM'ed you I am off to try the latest Beta using a 21^3.biggrin.gif

ss
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Thanks! It's a BDI Ola stand that I bought several weeks ago at best buy.

http://www.bdiusa.com/theater/ola_8137.shtml#.UtHacX-9KSN
no Price....hmnnnn nice i likey
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I'm using the Directv HD box have it set to native on looks great but on the TV when I push the info button it only says 1080i. It's going through a Pioneer 1223 in standby mode usually don't us up converting so I guess HBO and Directv sends a 1080i signal. Mainly want to make sure one thing isn't down converting then up converting. When using my Oppo 83 I send it though the Pioneer untouched.
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I'm using the Directv HD box have it set to native on looks great but on the TV when I push the info button it only says 1080i. It's going through a Pioneer 1223 in standby mode usually don't us up converting so I guess HBO and Directv sends a 1080i signal. Mainly want to make sure one thing isn't down converting then up converting. When using my Oppo 83 I send it though the Pioneer untouched.
Yes, the movie channels on Direct TV are 1080i natively.
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Originally Posted by DLF54927 View Post

The bright room, IR, break-in, slides etc. talk can be a bit daunting. I fondly remember the clouding/flashlighting talk when I bought my current set four years ago. Seems nothing has changed for the latter in that time, sadly.

So I ponied up for the 65VT after the ZT went quickly. Delivery is set for next Friday.

This will be its new home:



Going to give the Harmony Smart and the Antec lighting a whirl as well.

Hopefully, all goes well and the swearing stays at a minimum. Having dealt with the Harmony software a few times before, I highly doubt this will happen.

I have that same stand, but the manual says 60" and 165 lbs. maximum on the floating pedestal. Even though the weight of the 65" would be under that, I contacted Whalen and was told the TV shouldn't overhang more than 2" on either side. I'll be right at the maximum with my 60". Aren't you a little bit nervous putting a 65" on there?
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Yes, the movie channels on Direct TV are 1080i natively.

Thanks still looks fantastic on 1080i and the Panasonic isn't doing any processing I take it. Watching Rise of the Guardian right now haven't really made any adjustments using THX Cinema.
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Yes, the movie channels on Direct TV are 1080i natively.

Thanks still looks fantastic on 1080i and the Panasonic isn't doing any processing I take it. Watching Rise of the Guardian right now haven't really made any adjustments using THX Cinema.

The TV is displaying 1080p
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

The TV is displaying 1080p

So the tv is up converting from 1080i to1080p even tho the info button says 1080i. Does it do anything funny like down then up convert.
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The TV is displaying 1080p

So the tv is up converting from 1080i to1080p even tho the info button says 1080i. Does it do anything funny like down then up convert.

The Info button shows the Input resolution. The only thing it does is convert 1080i YCbCr to 1080p RGB and sends it to the panel.
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Originally Posted by JPowers View Post

I have that same stand, but the manual says 60" and 165 lbs. maximum on the floating pedestal. Even though the weight of the 65" would be under that, I contacted Whalen and was told the TV shouldn't overhang more than 2" on either side. I'll be right at the maximum with my 60". Aren't you a little bit nervous putting a 65" on there?

Not really.

Any reason why they said that? I imagine it has to do with someone or something knocking the set around with the 4" overhang.
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Rec 709 is correct. It is the standard for both HDTV and Blu-Ray discs. The color temp thing I talked about is the color of white. We calibrate to a point on a 2D graph called D65. That point is slightly reddish and that is the reason that Warm 2 is usually closest. The progression from Warm to Cool turns white (the gray scale) bluish. Bluish white makes the picture appear brighter but it is not. We choose the closest point to D65 to minimize the amount of other adjustments that have to be made to bring the display as close as possible to standards. No TV is perfect, but the past two years higher end Panasonic and Samsung models have been very good.

If you want plasma tech in a very bright room you need the Samsung F8500. In a dark room, the Vt and ZT panels cannot be topped.

A word about the VT50 and VT60's - for accuracy, use Panel Brightness Medium. Low and High are essentially broken although if you absolutely need higher luminance (with some sacrifice in color accuracy) then use high. The only way to obtain accurate color tracking with the High mode is to use an external processor and Look Up Tables. See the attachment - it's what I do.

LUTBrochure.pdf 335k .pdf file

Thanks again and very interesting...I have been out of loop on plasmas for so long that I need to study up on your high mode stuff! I know what LUT tables are from past FPGA and processor embedded design I have done.

Yeah, I like blue ice so hence the Cool1 setting earlier.

I am using panel mid brightness based on you and others.

Pic looks pretty good now.
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Hey guys.

 

I started running slides on my VT60 55" and I have noticed some vertical bands/lines on the right hand side of the screen. They are only noticeable on the white-grey slides. Is this something that will disappear eventually?

 

~Thanks

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Have a 65vt60 and I'm trying to figure out a picture mode/settings for normal content (Directv). I've been using standard with color temp normal (motion smoothing, cats, etc. off), but notice during dark content, sometimes black/near-black images will visibly lighten (almost grey) and become very grainy (gamma issue possibly???). Seems to only occur when standard mode is used. When viewing the same content with thx or cinema modes, this change does not occur. I've tried adjusting cinema to give similar color, brightness, etc. to make normal content look natural, but I'm having trouble getting the black level to match the standard preset (almost blending into the bezel). Any thoughts or suggestions on maintaining the deep blacks and eliminating the near-black color shift/graininess?
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Hey guys.

I started running slides on my VT60 55" and I have noticed some vertical bands/lines on the right hand side of the screen. They are only noticeable on the white-grey slides. Is this something that will disappear eventually?

~Thanks

The vertical band on the right side is common with Panasonic 2012 and 2013 displays, most apparent on the white and gray slides, as you've noticed. How noticeable varies from panel to panel and person to person. On some displays it's a sold band and inch or so thick. On others the band is comprised of thinner vertical lines.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it gets better over time. Its purely whether or not you are able to disregard it.
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After 3 months and 300 hours of 60 inch VT60 ownership, I can say the single biggest (and unexpected) boost in pq (along with raising the contrast in THX to 80) I have experienced was setting the sharpness to 80! Up until doing this, I always felt that the picture was lacking in "punch" and detail— and was certainly nowhere near what I was used to coming from my 50 inch Pioneer. I gradually just accepted the trade-off and attributed it to the inherent drop-off in brightness of the larger display. Now, I am consistetnly having my head knocked off by this tv's image and find myself throwing my hands in the air in utter disbelief of the image before me.

And yes, I know what you mean about "sacrilege"; until I began my own extensive tinkering, I never bothered with the sharpness setting since every posted calibration setting I tried always left it at default and I've had my own long-standing misgivings about using any "artificial" pq enhancements. Of course, I was initially worried about introducing all sorts of unwanted artefacts and losing the film-like image the VT is known for, but hours upon hours of viewing have revealed nothing. (The Disney WOW zone plates also reveal nothing; in fact even setting sharpness at 100 on those patterns still reveals nothing untoward—at least on my set.)

I just made that change on the sharpness on my 65VT60 and wow did it huge difference.. I never expected that much of a change.. Thanks guys
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Originally Posted by DLF54927 View Post

Not really.

Any reason why they said that? I imagine it has to do with someone or something knocking the set around with the 4" overhang.

I have no clue why they set that limit, but a 65" would be nice, if it's safe. i thought maybe it had something to do with side to side stability. Please take a picture and keep us updated. I'd love to have the 65" as an option if my 60" has problems (60" is no longer available from Amazon, and I wouldn't be able to get a replacement)
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

The vertical band on the right side is common with Panasonic 2012 and 2013 displays, most apparent on the white and gray slides, as you've noticed. How noticeable varies from panel to panel and person to person. On some displays it's a sold band and inch or so thick. On others the band is comprised of thinner vertical lines.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it gets better over time. Its purely whether or not you are able to disregard it.

You are wrong smile.gif
In most cases owners of both the VT and ZT who have noticed the band or bands have reported that they diminish with time. I would expect in a few hundred hours or less they will be gone. I believe Vinnie noticed these with his panel and they resolved during break-in. He may choose to speak up and/or correct me. Not a big deal.
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Originally Posted by JPowers View Post

I have no clue why they set that limit, but a 65" would be nice, if it's safe. i thought maybe it had something to do with side to side stability. Please take a picture and keep us updated. I'd love to have the 65" as an option if my 60" has problems (60" is no longer available from Amazon, and I wouldn't be able to get a replacement)

That's the only thing I can think of too is the overhang and some kind of a safety issue. Weight it weight...no matter how big the TV is or what type, 165 lbs is 165 lbs. You should be fine unless you have rowdy kids that like to run around the TV stand.
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Sounds like your TV is in Store mode instead of Home mode. When you first turn it on, you should be greeted with a setup menu and one of the questions is what mode you want to put it in. if this never came up, it makes me think someone else had it on before you???

You are absolutely correct. I bought a display set as the TV has run out of stock in Singapore and Panasonic have refused to bring in new stocks. How can I change the mode to Home Mode. Thanks a Million.

Tony

Somewhere in the Setup menu is an option to return the TV to factory defaults. Can't think of exactly where but it isn't the restore defaults in the picture modes of course. The setup menu is towards the bottom of the first main menu. Then when you go through the initial setup, you can choose Home instead.
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You are wrong smile.gif
In most cases owners of both the VT and ZT who have noticed the band or bands have reported that they diminish with time. I would expect in a few hundred hours or less they will be gone. I believe Vinnie noticed these with his panel and they resolved during break-in. He may choose to speak up and/or correct me. Not a big deal.

Yeah, I wasn't sure. Mine is extremely faint, really only noticeable on the slides. I have to really be looking for/focusing on it during normal content, and even then it's only if the right side is filled with certain uniform colors - white, gray. Essentially a non-issue.

Maybe it was DSE that I was thinking doesn't get better over time. I asked about DSE a while back and someone stated that it doesn't improve.
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I have posted about the sharpness setting not doing much a few pages back but no one mentioned anything regarding it. I also don't see much difference using the disc and raising the contrast level.
I was testing sharpness on the S&M disc and noticed also that I didn't get any artifacts sitting at 50. I will test out 80 and have a look on content also. Has anyone played around much with 'Resolution remaster' and its effect?
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I have searched all over this thread and the internet in general...someone please take a moment and help me out!!!

I own a Kuro 5020. I am relatively happy with this tv. I have had it for a few years. Has anyone on this forum upgraded to the 55VT60 from the Kuro 5020? What are your thoughts? There are 2-3 reasons I consider upgrading to the VT60...

1. It is a newer tv and with plasmas going extinct, it might be time to get the last awesome plasma available since we all know they beat LED and LCD's and OLED is a long ways off it seems...never know when the old Kuro is going to up and die on me.

2. I do a lot of gaming and from what I can tell the input lag would be about twice as fast...

3. This one is very important...I have heard, but have yet to get definitive proof...but I hear the motion, especially when it comes to panning the screen left to right very fast (think looking around in a first person shooter) is a lot less blurry on the VT60...anyone know if this true, or true but somewhat exaggerated?? I used to game on the XBR960 and gaming was dang close to perfect on that tv and motion was as good as it gets...I always noticed a slight bit of tolerable blurriness in the way the Kuro deals with motion compared to a CRT, but I have lived with it on account of the size and resolution...

So, those are my three thoughts...I need someone to either talk me into buying a VT60 because it truly offers a significant leap in one or all of those areas, or talk me out of it because it is not a big leap and I have a perfectly good tv as it is...biggrin.gif

Thanks in advance!
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Originally Posted by Trev Flint View Post

Is there an hour /usage log on the vt60 that one can access?

go to: Menu > Help > Version > Status4

You only get hours without minutes with this procedure.

Look for the digits on the left of the hyphen

B0150 would mean 150 hours.
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I was testing sharpness on the S&M disc and noticed also that I didn't get any artifacts sitting at 50. I will test out 80 and have a look on content also. Has anyone played around much with 'Resolution remaster' and its effect?
Interested to see what comes up with sharpness of 80. I am curious if most people just drop the sharpness to zero because that is just what they think should be done and do not realize you are to calibrate sharpness just like you were to calibrate anything else on the TV.

I used to think that was the case as well until I read some posts from people saying that sharpness is not just a matter of opinion but actually calibrated through tests. The Disney WOW disc proves that as well as they include a sharpness calibration test. And like mentioned before, raising the sharpness did not seem to have an effect like I have seen on other TV's where it was apparent you were adding a lot of negative affect to the picture. I actually find the picture on the VT60 to be very soft, at least on a lot of cable TV. The faces are not a sharp and pronounced as my Samsung LED that I remember. It could just be wishful thinking though and the picture could have been just as soft. I wish I had both TV's together to compare to but I don't so I am just going by memory and I do not remember thinking the picture was soft on my es7500.

I am curious if the sharpness level will correct this and what where the proper setting should be. Would love to also hear from some of the DIY calibrators here who have more calibrating experience and equipment and what they usually do for sharpness. If they just set to zero without testing or they actually test to come to the conclusion of zero.
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Originally Posted by frankefrum View Post

I have searched all over this thread and the internet in general...someone please take a moment and help me out!!!

I own a Kuro 5020. I am relatively happy with this tv. I have had it for a few years. Has anyone on this forum upgraded to the 55VT60 from the Kuro 5020? What are your thoughts? There are 2-3 reasons I consider upgrading to the VT60...

1. It is a newer tv and with plasmas going extinct, it might be time to get the last awesome plasma available since we all know they beat LED and LCD's and OLED is a long ways off it seems...never know when the old Kuro is going to up and die on me.

2. I do a lot of gaming and from what I can tell the input lag would be about twice as fast...

3. This one is very important...I have heard, but have yet to get definitive proof...but I hear the motion, especially when it comes to panning the screen left to right very fast (think looking around in a first person shooter) is a lot less blurry on the VT60...anyone know if this true, or true but somewhat exaggerated?? I used to game on the XBR960 and gaming was dang close to perfect on that tv and motion was as good as it gets...I always noticed a slight bit of tolerable blurriness in the way the Kuro deals with motion compared to a CRT, but I have lived with it on account of the size and resolution...

So, those are my three thoughts...I need someone to either talk me into buying a VT60 because it truly offers a significant leap in one or all of those areas, or talk me out of it because it is not a big leap and I have a perfectly good tv as it is...biggrin.gif

Thanks in advance!

A few years ago I used to have a 5080 and the input lag is better on the Panasonic vt60. In fact, I'd say most things about gamming are better on the vt60 except....IR....

As great as these TVs are, I cannot recommend them to someone who games heavily. I know its been discussed to death, but long duration IR is a problem. It's funny you mention the xbr960. I still have one and am considering going back and exclusively gamming on that set due to the tendency of the vt60 to get long duration IR.
Edited by guvadc - 1/12/14 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Interested to see what comes up with sharpness of 80. I am curious if most people just drop the sharpness to zero because that is just what they think should be done and do not realize you are to calibrate sharpness just like you were to calibrate anything else on the TV.

I used to think that was the case as well until I read some posts from people saying that sharpness is not just a matter of opinion but actually calibrated through tests. The Disney WOW disc proves that as well as they include a sharpness calibration test. And like mentioned before, raising the sharpness did not seem to have an effect like I have seen on other TV's where it was apparent you were adding a lot of negative affect to the picture. I actually find the picture on the VT60 to be very soft, at least on a lot of cable TV. The faces are not a sharp and pronounced as my Samsung LED that I remember. It could just be wishful thinking though and the picture could have been just as soft. I wish I had both TV's together to compare to but I don't so I am just going by memory and I do not remember thinking the picture was soft on my es7500.

I am curious if the sharpness level will correct this and what where the proper setting should be. Would love to also hear from some of the DIY calibrators here who have more calibrating experience and equipment and what they usually do for sharpness. If they just set to zero without testing or they actually test to come to the conclusion of zero.

I routinely set the Sharpness to 80 no matter what Picture Mode I am in and regardless of any other settings or what I am watching. Like you, I felt the VT60's image was generally soft. I didn't know if it was my aging eyes, plasma technology or what. And I don't care what the setting "should" be-it looks great on 80 and I don't notice any "artifacts" or distortion of any kind.
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I routinely set the Sharpness to 80 no matter what Picture Mode I am in and regardless of any other settings or what I am watching. Like you, I felt the VT60's image was generally soft. I didn't know if it was my aging eyes, plasma technology or what. And I don't care what the setting "should" be-it looks great on 80 and I don't notice any "artifacts" or distortion of any kind.

The correct Panasonic Sharpness setting is 0. Increasing Sharpness sharpens nothing. It adds white alongside black and it covers up the actual intended content and degrades picture quality. If you want to alleviate the soft look, get a Darblet.
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Originally Posted by tribblea View Post

So I've successfully paired a set of bluetooth headphones to my VT60 and gotten good audio and surprising range, which prompted a question from my spouse: Can you connect two sets of headphones to the TV and have two people listening to the audio at the same time, each through their own set of headphones? I couldn't find any info on this in the manual, and Googling for it has been hopeless. Anyone tried this? I don't want to have to go buy another set of 'phones just to find out, but I guess I will have to if nobody knows.

Thanks!
Mike

Mike, I am trying to dig around this giant thread on the subject of bluetooth headphones.   Did you or anyone ever find an answer to this?  Can you connect two (or more) bluetooth headphones?  And how do you control volume levels, via the headphones or via the remote control?  Thanks in advance.


Eddie

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