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post #1051 of 14014
Have had the Panasonic P65VT60 for about a week now and my experience thus far in a bulleted, quick to consume manner:

The setup: TV is in a roughly 20'x18' room, 12' ceiling, 12' viewing distance. Back wall, perpendicular to TV face is roughly 70% glass with no window treatments. Kids watch the TV during the day if its on at all, we watch at night. Avid NFL fan, so sports clarity is of utmost concern as well as strong consideration for daytime performance for noon games. I struggled mightily with the decision between F8500 and VT60/ZT60.
  • Industrial design --- This is very subjective but I strongly preferred the sheet of glass, minimalist design of the Panasonic as well as the bonus inch in diagonal size relative to the F8500. Looks fantastic on the wall, will post pictures when I get a chance.
  • Fan noise --- Could be because of the sheer volume of air I have in my room that I don't hear them at all unless I stuck my ear right up against it. Nadda, zilch, zippo.
  • Plasma Buzz --- Again, room size is working to my advantage here but this just isn't an issue with the volume at even low levels. If I turn the volume all the way down or silent scene that is bright and snowy --- it can be heard though. I have nearly perfect hearing, so its not me.
  • Picture Quality --- I didn't break the TV in/run slides or anything, I threw it right into the "fire" and it just seems to be getting better every day. THX Bright Room (Day) and THX Cinema (Night) are my preferred modes out of the box, although I just tried CNET's setting and they are pretty legit for dark room viewing. Motion clarity, color saturation, shadow detail, its absolutely nuts watching things you've seen many times and noticing details you never knew were there. Incredible. Day time viewing has me wanting more brightness, my room is a torture test for brightroom performance and the VT60 is currently coming up a little short. I think with some window treatments I can get it acceptable for noon football games. I do also notice the aggressive ABL during recent snowy scenes of Game of Thrones and I would prefer a brighter, more pure white. But the other 95% of the time....it is incredible.
  • Reflections --- Yes it reflects and I don't care. I hate matte screens with all my heart. Obviously a non-issue at night.
  • Viewing Angle --- Fantastic. The filter doesn't hurt vertical or horizontal viewing angle at all so far as I can tell. Our TV can be viewed from the kitchen approximately 14 feet off center line, 13 feet from the face through a pass thru opening in the wall while you do dishes or whatever....its still amazing from that angle.
  • Sound Quality --- Didn't check, don't care, have external system.

Bottom line? Very happy with the unit, a part of me still wonders how the F8500 would have done in my application but I'm confident with even a shred of light control during the day the VT60 will still be very pleasing during the day. Look forward to a few years from now when I'm going to 4k for the main unit and rotating this set to the bedroom that has extremely good light control. Interested to see what the shootout says....in a dark room I don't think this set will be beat save for the ZT. If they took into account brightroom, it might be a different story. I predict 2nd place for the VT series.
post #1052 of 14014
How is image rentention on this set? Has anybody's kids played video games for a few hours or wife watched her favorite station with a static image?
post #1053 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Chuckinbeast View Post

Have had the Panasonic P65VT60 for about a week now and my experience thus far in a bulleted, quick to consume manner:

The setup: TV is in a roughly 20'x18' room, 12' ceiling, 12' viewing distance. Back wall, perpendicular to TV face is roughly 70% glass with no window treatments. Kids watch the TV during the day if its on at all, we watch at night. Avid NFL fan, so sports clarity is of utmost concern as well as strong consideration for daytime performance for noon games. I struggled mightily with the decision between F8500 and VT60/ZT60.
  • Industrial design --- This is very subjective but I strongly preferred the sheet of glass, minimalist design of the Panasonic as well as the bonus inch in diagonal size relative to the F8500. Looks fantastic on the wall, will post pictures when I get a chance.
  • Fan noise --- Could be because of the sheer volume of air I have in my room that I don't hear them at all unless I stuck my ear right up against it. Nadda, zilch, zippo.
  • Plasma Buzz --- Again, room size is working to my advantage here but this just isn't an issue with the volume at even low levels. If I turn the volume all the way down or silent scene that is bright and snowy --- it can be heard though. I have nearly perfect hearing, so its not me.
  • Picture Quality --- I didn't break the TV in/run slides or anything, I threw it right into the "fire" and it just seems to be getting better every day. THX Bright Room (Day) and THX Cinema (Night) are my preferred modes out of the box, although I just tried CNET's setting and they are pretty legit for dark room viewing. Motion clarity, color saturation, shadow detail, its absolutely nuts watching things you've seen many times and noticing details you never knew were there. Incredible. Day time viewing has me wanting more brightness, my room is a torture test for brightroom performance and the VT60 is currently coming up a little short. I think with some window treatments I can get it acceptable for noon football games. I do also notice the aggressive ABL during recent snowy scenes of Game of Thrones and I would prefer a brighter, more pure white. But the other 95% of the time....it is incredible.
  • Reflections --- Yes it reflects and I don't care. I hate matte screens with all my heart. Obviously a non-issue at night.
  • Viewing Angle --- Fantastic. The filter doesn't hurt vertical or horizontal viewing angle at all so far as I can tell. Our TV can be viewed from the kitchen approximately 14 feet off center line, 13 feet from the face through a pass thru opening in the wall while you do dishes or whatever....its still amazing from that angle.
  • Sound Quality --- Didn't check, don't care, have external system.

Bottom line? Very happy with the unit, a part of me still wonders how the F8500 would have done in my application but I'm confident with even a shred of light control during the day the VT60 will still be very pleasing during the day. Look forward to a few years from now when I'm going to 4k for the main unit and rotating this set to the bedroom that has extremely good light control. Interested to see what the shootout says....in a dark room I don't think this set will be beat save for the ZT. If they took into account brightroom, it might be a different story. I predict 2nd place for the VT series.
Thanks for that. That describes my room almost to the tee except my widows and glass doors are on the sides. Thanks again.
post #1054 of 14014
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Lets say you walk into a Toyota dealership & start explaining to the them how you prefer a Honda Accord & give all the pluses that it has over the Camry. Then when the salesperson starts explaining the pluses of the Camry, you cut him off & tell him he's not looking at all the details & start ranting again on the same info you just stated. What is the point in this? What are you trying to prove? If you like the Accord so much, why don't you just go buy one. There's no need to be primitive. We're past that. We have options. Make a choice & be okay with it. Don't try to make the opposition feel bad about their preference, because of you don't like it. I shouldn't have to ignore. You should "move on to the Honda dealership & boast your mpg's over there". If you get my drift. In other words, expect a fight.

Theres the crux of it, hes seen things hes liked in both the panasonic and F8500, he may like the F8500 more at this point, but if something happens at the shootout and he shooses the VT60 or ZT60 will people still feel the same way? Ken is just bringing up observations that he sees as a counterpoint, if all we ever have is cheerleaders for said product, then its not really an accurate representation of what is going on. If you dont agree or like what he posts, the best thing to do is just skip the post and not reply to it, replying to it, just drags the issue out longer and tends to drag down the thread.

the "you" in the above statement is not you personally just a general you...Not trying to moderate or anything like that either.

enough of this from me...Back to the VT60 talk :

How are owners enjoying thier sets? has anyone calibrated it themselves?
post #1055 of 14014
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Lets say you walk into a Toyota dealership & start explaining to the them how you prefer a Honda Accord & give all the pluses that it has over the Camry. Then when the salesperson starts explaining the pluses of the Camry, you cut him off & tell him he's not looking at all the details & start ranting again on the same info you just stated. What is the point in this? What are you trying to prove? If you like the Accord so much, why don't you just go buy one. There's no need to be primitive. We're past that. We have options. Make a choice & be okay with it. Don't try to make the opposition feel bad about their preference, because of you don't like it. I shouldn't have to ignore. You should "move on to the Honda dealership & boast your mpg's over there". If you get my drift. In other words, expect a fight.

Only if you want to start a fight. You responded to a comment by Ken, when you quoted what he had said, and then gave your take on it. They he responded back, and you took some strange offense to his response to what you had initiated, and told him to go find a wife. Ken has mentioned his wife several times, but your personal attack was uncalled for. There is an ignore option, so if he gets under your skin too much, why not use it.smile.gif
post #1056 of 14014
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Lets say you walk into a Toyota dealership & start explaining to the them how you prefer a Honda Accord & give all the pluses that it has over the Camry. Then when the salesperson starts explaining the pluses of the Camry, you cut him off & tell him he's not looking at all the details & start ranting again on the same info you just stated. What is the point in this? What are you trying to prove? If you like the Accord so much, why don't you just go buy one. There's no need to be primitive. We're past that. We have options. Make a choice & be okay with it. Don't try to make the opposition feel bad about their preference, because of you don't like it. I shouldn't have to ignore. You should "move on to the Honda dealership & boast your mpg's over there". If you get my drift. In other words, expect a fight.

+1...........you should respect others opinions as you would want yours respected. This "my way or the highway" just doesn't cut it especially in the audio/video world where there are so many options. Not to mention so few can afford the sets we are talking about. I can tell you over the years I've seen and heard the "best" or so they have been referred to, and walked out the door along with prospective buyers. The best is your best, what you really like no matter what opinion or electronic readout tells you. If it doesn't grab your attention you will never be happy and always want "that other one" that looked better or sounded better. It's ok not to like the VT or the ZT and say why without reprisals.
post #1057 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Chuckinbeast View Post

Have had the Panasonic P65VT60 for about a week now and my experience thus far in a bulleted, quick to consume manner:

The setup: TV is in a roughly 20'x18' room, 12' ceiling, 12' viewing distance. Back wall, perpendicular to TV face is roughly 70% glass with no window treatments. Kids watch the TV during the day if its on at all, we watch at night. Avid NFL fan, so sports clarity is of utmost concern as well as strong consideration for daytime performance for noon games. I struggled mightily with the decision between F8500 and VT60/ZT60.
  • Industrial design --- This is very subjective but I strongly preferred the sheet of glass, minimalist design of the Panasonic as well as the bonus inch in diagonal size relative to the F8500. Looks fantastic on the wall, will post pictures when I get a chance.
  • Fan noise --- Could be because of the sheer volume of air I have in my room that I don't hear them at all unless I stuck my ear right up against it. Nadda, zilch, zippo.
  • Plasma Buzz --- Again, room size is working to my advantage here but this just isn't an issue with the volume at even low levels. If I turn the volume all the way down or silent scene that is bright and snowy --- it can be heard though. I have nearly perfect hearing, so its not me.
  • Picture Quality --- I didn't break the TV in/run slides or anything, I threw it right into the "fire" and it just seems to be getting better every day. THX Bright Room (Day) and THX Cinema (Night) are my preferred modes out of the box, although I just tried CNET's setting and they are pretty legit for dark room viewing. Motion clarity, color saturation, shadow detail, its absolutely nuts watching things you've seen many times and noticing details you never knew were there. Incredible. Day time viewing has me wanting more brightness, my room is a torture test for brightroom performance and the VT60 is currently coming up a little short. I think with some window treatments I can get it acceptable for noon football games. I do also notice the aggressive ABL during recent snowy scenes of Game of Thrones and I would prefer a brighter, more pure white. But the other 95% of the time....it is incredible.
  • Reflections --- Yes it reflects and I don't care. I hate matte screens with all my heart. Obviously a non-issue at night.
  • Viewing Angle --- Fantastic. The filter doesn't hurt vertical or horizontal viewing angle at all so far as I can tell. Our TV can be viewed from the kitchen approximately 14 feet off center line, 13 feet from the face through a pass thru opening in the wall while you do dishes or whatever....its still amazing from that angle.
  • Sound Quality --- Didn't check, don't care, have external system.

Bottom line? Very happy with the unit, a part of me still wonders how the F8500 would have done in my application but I'm confident with even a shred of light control during the day the VT60 will still be very pleasing during the day. Look forward to a few years from now when I'm going to 4k for the main unit and rotating this set to the bedroom that has extremely good light control. Interested to see what the shootout says....in a dark room I don't think this set will be beat save for the ZT. If they took into account brightroom, it might be a different story. I predict 2nd place for the VT series.


Chuck, thank you for the review glad to see you are enjoying the set. are you thinking of either getting the set calibrated or calibrating the set yourself?
post #1058 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

I wouldnt say rules out, just becasue we have differing reports of how sever the noise is. Going to a store wouldnt do any good as the ambient noise level would probably drown out anything that you may hear at home. There seem to be many factors involved when it comes to these noises, everything from distance from the TV to your sensitivity to these sounds. The only real way to test is to take it home and test it, if it doesnt work hopfully you choose a place with a good return policy.


I am OK for now with my old set, so I guess I will wait until around Thanksgiving to make a purchasing decision, with the expectation that by then there will be much more feedback from owners to inform my choice. I noticed that some people have mentioned that the ST Panel does not have any fans, so that might also be an option for me, if the VT fans turn out to be too noisy.

Thanks for your insights. smile.gif
post #1059 of 14014
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Only if you want to start a fight. You responded to a comment by Ken, when you quoted what he had said, and then gave your take on it. They he responded back, and you took some strange offense to his response to what you had initiated, and told him to go find a wife. Ken has mentioned his wife several times, but your personal attack was uncalled for. There is an ignore option, so if he gets under your skin too much, why not use it.smile.gif

the problem is he will post hundreds of responses so he is always in the mix even with the ignore option. It seems to be an obsession to control threads about the equipment he likes and you are not entitled to speak freely in contrast to his posts. I am surprised to see he is looking at the new Panny line of plasmas after his Sharp Elite was the tv to own forever. Hard to figure how one could be so consumed by a tv and then just up and drop off like it never existed. Not everyone has that kind of money to spend annually so you should be sure that what you are saying holds true and not just a spur of the moment infatuation with the newest and most expensive being built. There will always be those coming out every year, but unless you are a salesperson and make commissions on why this one this year is now so much better than that one last year, you should be upfront and honest about talking people into buying something. Changing tv's ain't like changing your underwear, but if you have that kind of money,God bless.
post #1060 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Chuckinbeast View Post

Have had the Panasonic P65VT60 for about a week now and my experience thus far in a bulleted, quick to consume manner:

The setup: TV is in a roughly 20'x18' room, 12' ceiling, 12' viewing distance. Back wall, perpendicular to TV face is roughly 70% glass with no window treatments. Kids watch the TV during the day if its on at all, we watch at night. Avid NFL fan, so sports clarity is of utmost concern as well as strong consideration for daytime performance for noon games. I struggled mightily with the decision between F8500 and VT60/ZT60.
  • Industrial design --- This is very subjective but I strongly preferred the sheet of glass, minimalist design of the Panasonic as well as the bonus inch in diagonal size relative to the F8500. Looks fantastic on the wall, will post pictures when I get a chance.
  • Fan noise --- Could be because of the sheer volume of air I have in my room that I don't hear them at all unless I stuck my ear right up against it. Nadda, zilch, zippo.
  • Plasma Buzz --- Again, room size is working to my advantage here but this just isn't an issue with the volume at even low levels. If I turn the volume all the way down or silent scene that is bright and snowy --- it can be heard though. I have nearly perfect hearing, so its not me.
  • Picture Quality --- I didn't break the TV in/run slides or anything, I threw it right into the "fire" and it just seems to be getting better every day. THX Bright Room (Day) and THX Cinema (Night) are my preferred modes out of the box, although I just tried CNET's setting and they are pretty legit for dark room viewing. Motion clarity, color saturation, shadow detail, its absolutely nuts watching things you've seen many times and noticing details you never knew were there. Incredible. Day time viewing has me wanting more brightness, my room is a torture test for brightroom performance and the VT60 is currently coming up a little short. I think with some window treatments I can get it acceptable for noon football games. I do also notice the aggressive ABL during recent snowy scenes of Game of Thrones and I would prefer a brighter, more pure white. But the other 95% of the time....it is incredible.
  • Reflections --- Yes it reflects and I don't care. I hate matte screens with all my heart. Obviously a non-issue at night.
  • Viewing Angle --- Fantastic. The filter doesn't hurt vertical or horizontal viewing angle at all so far as I can tell. Our TV can be viewed from the kitchen approximately 14 feet off center line, 13 feet from the face through a pass thru opening in the wall while you do dishes or whatever....its still amazing from that angle.
  • Sound Quality --- Didn't check, don't care, have external system.

Bottom line? Very happy with the unit, a part of me still wonders how the F8500 would have done in my application but I'm confident with even a shred of light control during the day the VT60 will still be very pleasing during the day. Look forward to a few years from now when I'm going to 4k for the main unit and rotating this set to the bedroom that has extremely good light control. Interested to see what the shootout says....in a dark room I don't think this set will be beat save for the ZT. If they took into account brightroom, it might be a different story. I predict 2nd place for the VT series.

nice reality report......enjoy!!!!!!!!!
post #1061 of 14014
i'm thinking maybe i should of got a vt60. i love fan noises, i sleep with one on 365 days a year. whether it's 100f or -30f outside.biggrin.gif
post #1062 of 14014
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

I am OK for now with my old set, so I guess I will wait until around Thanksgiving to make a purchasing decision, with the expectation that by then there will be much more feedback from owners to inform my choice. I noticed that some people have mentioned that the ST Panel does not have any fans, so that might also be an option for me, if the VT fans turn out to be too noisy.

Thanks for your insights. smile.gif

The ST is a viable option as CNET says they cant say definitively taht the VT is worth the premium over the ST I am sure they'd say the same thing about the F8500 and possibly the ZT as well. The ST is a high level performer and may suit your needs better (there are sacrifices youll make of course, but then youll be sacrificing something no matter what)......If you are happy and in no rush then I would wait, no need to jump into the fire too early smile.gif This will also give you a chance to see if there are any "major" issues that crop up with the sets later on.
post #1063 of 14014
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Originally Posted by gene9p View Post

the problem is he will post hundreds of responses so he is always in the mix even with the ignore option. It seems to be an obsession to control threads about the equipment he likes and you are not entitled to speak freely in contrast to his posts. I am surprised to see he is looking at the new Panny line of plasmas after his Sharp Elite was the tv to own forever. Hard to figure how one could be so consumed by a tv and then just up and drop off like it never existed. Not everyone has that kind of money to spend annually so you should be sure that what you are saying holds true and not just a spur of the moment infatuation with the newest and most expensive being built. There will always be those coming out every year, but unless you are a salesperson and make commissions on why this one this year is now so much better than that one last year, you should be upfront and honest about talking people into buying something. Changing tv's ain't like changing your underwear, but if you have that kind of money,God bless.

Ken has been on this forum for many years. I feel he does not have a mean bone in his body. He is somewhat of a perfectionist, and he strikes me as many of his comments are his way of just thinking out loud, because he is going through the agonizing process of trying to convince himself of which new set he should end up buying. I never have viewed him as someone who has tried to tell others which set they should purchase, because of his own preferences. But enough about Ken, and now back to our regular programming.biggrin.gif
post #1064 of 14014
Okay, I'm unsubscribing. I'm a ST60 owner & followed the thread, just to get a take on what people thought about the VT''s & enjoy the conversation, but the minute you respond with an opinion, to someone who's stating their opinion, you're told to ignore it if you don't like it, is absurd. I don't mind sharing differences of opinion & being confrontational at all, as long as it's healthy & in good nature. The comment I made to you Ken, "maybe you should get a wife", was out of line & I apologize. However I'm doing as suggested & hitting the ignore button. Peace Out.
post #1065 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

The ST is a viable option as CNET says they cant say definitively taht the VT is worth the premium over the ST I am sure they'd say the same thing about the F8500 and possibly the ZT as well. The ST is a high level performer and may suit your needs better (there are sacrifices youll make of course, but then youll be sacrificing something no matter what)......If you are happy and in no rush then I would wait, no need to jump into the fire too early smile.gif This will also give you a chance to see if there are any "major" issues that crop up with the sets later on.

Indeed, and also the prices will probably have dropped by then, or the vendors may start adding on some incentives such as a free Blu-ray player, like they have done in previous years. Let the early bird have the worm. I have no taste for them anyway!biggrin.gif
post #1066 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I agree and disagree here Mo. Many here are defining PQ by one parameter and one parameter only, MLL. I could certainly see if one panel had lousy black levels and the other really great ones, then that's certainly a rationale for going with the lowest MLL, the choice becomes easy. But here we have one panel with a great MLL and the other with a 'greater' MLL. So it's not as if you're 'stuck' with poor blacks. Your 'stuck' with excellent blacks, just not the very best available this year. Keep in mind that in the last couple of years, up to 2012, the 8500 would have been defined as having the best blacks. Every review I've seen on the 8500 talks about how great the blacks are, even if not class-leading.

But now we move on to the impact of ABL. I absolutely, positively, feel that IS a very important aspect of PQ. If my picture is throttled back on every scene that requires a significant percentage of the screen to be illuminated (sky, ice etc), then that is most definitely, IMO, taking a hit in PQ. I've seen it often and find it very significant...far more observable in terms of magnitude and frequency than I had thought. Add to that, this impact, as opposed to the impact of MLL, can be seen in any lighting environment, from bat cave to bright room.

I understand that some people either aren't bothered by it or simply don't believe it's as significant as I think it is. Each to his own.

So my point is that if you've got a couple of panels tightly bunched in the MLL category, but those same panels are much more widely separated in the ABL category, I'd lean toward taking a slight hit in MLL for the sake of restoring my picture's brightness in the many scenes where that kind of brightness is called for. To me, taking such a big hit in the ABL arena is taking a hit in the PQ category.

It really surprises me that more people don't see the big difference in scenes like this. IMO, it's so easily observable and the gap is far wider than the gap in MLL.

With that said I'm still waiting to see if the ZT60 combines the best of both worlds. Perhaps a less aggressive ABL? I'm not counting on it, but I'll remain hopeful until the shootout. smile.gif

that's great Ken. I know we have different needs and tastes which was my original point.

Although me and many of my fellow vt50 owners have no big issues with ABL that would make us trade contrast and blacks for it, I do understand what you are saying and its great that you know how to weight what you want for your scenario - definitely better than just meandering into best buy and walking out with whatever one looks brightest.

So you are correct that lighting environment does not directly impact ABL, but the environment does have an indirect impact that is relevant to most people concerned by ABL . A screen calibrated downwards in brightness (luminance) is going to have less instances where the ABL kicks in (smaller % of viewing time affected). So next time Kevin tries to lower that FTL number for you a bit, it might actually help you overall.

Of course that boils back down to if you watch in the day, you are going to get the ABL hitting you more often than the evening for all plasma TV's, F8500 less than others it seems. For me I only get tv time Monday - Saturday in the evening and then on Sunday I get some daytime viewing. Rest of the family doesn't notice any of these issues and I'm the one paying, so I buy the one that suits my tastes of course; its certainly fine by me if you buy the one that suits your tastes and I recognize your comparisons will be around your tastes.
post #1067 of 14014
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Okay, I'm unsubscribing. I'm a ST60 owner & followed the thread, just to get a take on what people thought about the VT''s & enjoy the conversation, but the minute you respond with an opinion, to someone who's stating their opinion, you're told to ignore it if you don't like it, is absurd. I don't mind sharing differences of opinion & being confrontational at all, as long as it's healthy & in good nature. The comment I made to you Ken, "maybe you should get a wife", was out of line & I apologize. However I'm doing as suggested & hitting the ignore button. Peace Out.

You do not have to unsubscribe. Why not just use the block feature for comments from those you do not wish to see on your screen. It works great. Stick around. I enjoy your technical observations.smile.gif
post #1068 of 14014
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Okay, I'm unsubscribing. I'm a ST60 owner & followed the thread, just to get a take on what people thought about the VT''s & enjoy the conversation, but the minute you respond with an opinion, to someone who's stating their opinion, you're told to ignore it if you don't like it, is absurd. I don't mind sharing differences of opinion & being confrontational at all, as long as it's healthy & in good nature. The comment I made to you Ken, "maybe you should get a wife", was out of line & I apologize. However I'm doing as suggested & hitting the ignore button. Peace Out.
I don't see "sharing differences" and "being confrontational" as being exactly the same thing. Maybe being confrontational in a sharing way would work. wink.gif

I'm not sure what factor I should use to multiply my post count with to get an estimate of how many posts I've read over the years. I know for sure that I haven't read every post my eyes have scanned, and that I've never had more than two or three people on the skip list. It's probably been a few years since I've felt the need to bar someones post from my sight.

I recommend skipping and skimming over unsubscribing if there is a thread that you're interested in reading. tongue.gif
post #1069 of 14014
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

You do not have to unsubscribe. Why not just use the block feature for comments from those you do not wish to see on your screen. It works great. Stick around. I enjoy your technical observations.smile.gif

Okay thanks for the tip didn't know it existed. I don't want to ignore him though. I'll stick around. I'll just let it go. Side note, I am a taurus so, this hard for me to do wink.gif
post #1070 of 14014
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I don't see "sharing differences" and "being confrontational" as being exactly the same thing. Maybe being confrontational in a sharing way would work. wink.gif

I'm not sure what factor I should use to multiply my post count with to get an estimate of how many posts I've read over the years. I know for sure that I haven't read every post my eyes have scanned, and that I've never had more than two or three people on the skip list. It's probably been a few years since I've felt the need to bar someones post from my sight.

I recommend skipping and skimming over unsubscribing if there is a thread that you're interested in reading. tongue.gif

See 2b
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/confrontational
post #1071 of 14014
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

if all sets are calibrated to 40fl

I keep seeing this 40 fL number, and it's begun to haunt my dreams. I think it would leave me alone if only someone would tell me where it came from. If it's from a pattern, which one? If a window, what size?
post #1072 of 14014
No fan noise here, and I've no problems whatsoever with the brightness. Actually, that whole argument is beyond me. Just glad to own the best TV on the market and the first true Kuro replacement - glad the reviews are as favorable as they are - I hate buyer's remorse. I was away recently and just wanted to go home and spend time with my plasma. Gf thinks I'm nuts.

Gonna try Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon tonight and report back.
post #1073 of 14014
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

I keep seeing this 40 fL number, and it's begun to haunt my dreams. I think it would leave me alone if only someone would tell me where it came from. If it's from a pattern, which one? If a window, what size?

Its light output in foot lamberts, thx standard is 35 ftl I believe. From a brightness perspective it is relatively bright imo good for a moderately light room. Usually light output is set using a 100% white pattern, window size used at shootout is 10% I believe. Other calibrators use smaller window sizes, Chad for instance uses 5% windows for his Panny cals.
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Just took down my 65"ST60 (slides ran for 112 hrs and used D-Nice setting) and put up 65"VT60 after running slides for about 130 hrs , a couple things li notice , first just in THX cinema mode it's amazing so who ever said the out of the box picture is horrible is seriously wrong .. I am a tad disappointed at the reflections .. I thought it would be a step up from the ST , but it's the same if not a tad worse not idea why .. I have some blackout curtains behind me so its manageable and picture is plenty bright enough .. Now about the fans I wanted to think you guys were full of it ... **** theses fan are crap, I sit about 11 feet from the set .. And when movie is playing it's ok .. But mute it and its whirl city .. It's just a pulsing sound up and down .. It's between built ins so maybe the sound reflects out to me I'll see if I can dampen it

Is the fan issue enough to return the set or put the ST back up instead of going in the bedroom? No not at all .. I'll prob forget about it soon enough and this is an amazing set

Maybe what it did is make me want a ZT more if they use better fans lol
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Anyone with a VT .. Can you chime in on this .. On my right hand side (look at set) a have a green line on the last row of pixels all the way up and down , and on the left side a blue line .. No way in real life can you see it only with my face on the screen .. I noticed it during slides but thought it would go away .. Watching madascar 3 checking out set I have it and blue

I'm guessing its just the last line of vertical pixels on each side .. I just want to make sure it's normal (click on images for better view)
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Originally Posted by JonThomasDesigns View Post

Anyone with a VT .. Can you chime in on this .. On my right hand side (look at set) a have a green line on the last row of pixels all the way up and down , and on the left side a blue line .. No way in real life can you see it only with my face on the screen .. I noticed it during slides but thought it would go away .. Watching madascar 3 checking out set I have it and blue

I'm guessing its just the last line of vertical pixels on each side .. I just want to make sure it's normal (click on images for better view)

I've seen that effect on other plasmas depends on the program material, nothing to worry about imo
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Usually light output is set using a 100% white pattern, window size used at shootout is 10% I believe. Other calibrators use smaller window sizes, Chad for instance uses 5% windows for his Panny cals.

Thanks. I've been using 5% myself for my 50ST60.
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Chuck, thank you for the review glad to see you are enjoying the set. are you thinking of either getting the set calibrated or calibrating the set yourself?

Yes, after I accumulate the requisite amount of hours on the panel I'm most likely going to pull the trigger on SpectraCal setup...currently eyeing the i1 bundle with Enthusiast software so I can do my computer monitors too. Failing that, I'll just get one one these pros to come down it the next time they are in Chicago metro. One way or the other I'd like to see some calibration done on it, its amazing what a difference that can make.
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She has arrived from Cleveland Plasma, seemingly all in one piece.


Big Ole Box

Gonna have to wait for the wifey to get home to help me lift this beast out of the box.

I did plug it in, in the box, before the truck driver left and didnt notice any issues, nor did I notice any fan noise. Delivery guy said he wasnt allowed to come into the house, so I wasnt able to fully check the TV out, but the top half looks good!

Those windows on the left are my only concern, I am hoping the reflections arent too bad.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Peake View Post

Those windows on the left are my only concern, I am hoping the reflections arent too bad.

Someone should invent a window treatment which reduces the direct light.
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