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Originally Posted by rlb4 View Post

I bought it from Amazon. Delivery company is ceva. How long should I wait before turning the tv on?
Who you bought your TV from or who delivered it makes no difference. What you need to be concerned with is how cold it is when the set is delivered. It was 71 degrees here at 3:30PM today. Not too long ago people were taking delivery on days in the Mid-West and North East at below 18 degrees. If you are in a region where conditions are freezing I would open the box and wait over night. Were I live, I would power it up right away. As usual, it just depends. smile.gif
post #10592 of 13990
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Originally Posted by elmorage View Post

For those that mount the VT on the wall how are you dealing with the side facing hdmi ports? Do I need the elbow hdmi joints or is there enough space to bend the wires without breaking something?

I bought the monoprice redmere cable. It is extremely flexible and thin (like an optical).
post #10593 of 13990
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Originally Posted by roadking00 View Post

Anyone have a list of video formats the VT will play via the USB port, Apparently it will not play AVI files and would have to convert to ?? Cant seem to find what are compatible formats?

It varies.

From: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1368523071
VT60 offers the same DLNA streaming options as previous Panasonic TVs and the option to enjoy media files from a USB hard drive or USB stick. As we have said before, media file support and playback is relatively poor with these built-in media players in TVs. We did put VT60 through the test with some demanding high-resolution and high bitrate avi and mkv files. VT60 did not eat the first 1080p avi. It did not like our 1080p mkv container with a H.264 profile 4.1 video inside (40 mbps video) either. We were luckier with a .mkv with 720p video in H.264 in profile 5.1. It can also handle un-embedded subtitles. An mkv container with a video encoded in VC1 was also handled correctly. So, a bit hit-and-miss here.

Some BD players like the Panasonic 210 or Oppo 103 handle most files with ease. Otherwise try converting with something like Freemake Video Converter.
post #10594 of 13990
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Originally Posted by fkenyon View Post

I'm amazed at the variance in the picture I see. Some things are unbelievably perfect( like the Tonight Show), a some others suffer from way too much darkness ( for example, I was watching Breaking Bad on netflix and some scenes were simply too dark. Anyone else have this experience?
I have watched Breaking Bad on Netflix and didn't notice a problem in dark scenes. I do not think Breaking Bad is the greatest quality video I have scene but I have not noticed any real problems while watching it. Did you change your settings for watching Netflix? Also, depending on the quality stream you are getting can have an effect on dark scenes as well.
post #10595 of 13990
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Originally Posted by yellowcanary73 View Post

Hope you get better delivery guys then I did one didn't speak English at all the other I think was from I think he said Somalia and spoke very broken english. Mine sucked they didn't want to take top of box off to even check the screen I did demand that which I got but they weren't happy. Got my carpet dirty they were more worried about commenting on all the nice stuff we had to bad for them before they arrived I had gotten out $40 to tip them which they got none of. That night I made sure the 45 had one in the chamber. Called Amazon they made it right with a $100 credit.

Mine is being delivered by Pilot on Friday, hopefully they can move it up to tomorrow. There are some really nasty reviews about them on amazon, I hope everything goes smoothly. Will be laying down towels, etc. to prevent any damage to the carpet. Anybody have Pilot deliver thiers recently?
post #10596 of 13990
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Originally Posted by fkenyon View Post

I'm amazed at the variance in the picture I see. Some things are unbelievably perfect( like the Tonight Show), a some others suffer from way too much darkness ( for example, I was watching Breaking Bad on netflix and some scenes were simply too dark. Anyone else have this experience?

It's called the source. Feed it quality material and it looks great, feed it something that isn't and it is going to look bad.
post #10597 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Mean Gene View Post

Mine is being delivered by Pilot on Friday, hopefully they can move it up to tomorrow. There are some really nasty reviews about them on amazon, I hope everything goes smoothly. Will be laying down towels, etc. to prevent any damage to the carpet. Anybody have Pilot deliver thiers recently?
It really just depends on the driver. I had good experiences with both Pilot and Ceva. One of the drivers didn't even want to push the empty box in fear of damaging my wood floors. I think it is really just hit or miss like anything else. You have good people who care and then there are people who really don't give a crap. My advice is be nice to the delivery people and try to start a conversation. Remember, they are a delivery service and not TV professionals. They job is to get a box to your house and then go deliver another box to someone else. They are not really interested how you feel about your TV or the quality of it. So sometimes just a conversation and treating them like a person can go a long way.

Then of course you can get someone that no matter how hard you try they are still going to be an ass but at least you tried.
post #10598 of 13990
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

It's called the source. Feed it quality material and it looks great, feed it something that isn't and it is going to look bad.

Agree...its all about source material.
post #10599 of 13990
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

A cold TV in a warm room may cause internal condensation. Having a cold set on in a warm room will also cause condensation. A very quick power cycle before the set starts to warm up may not cause condensation.

The problem with condensation is that water in an electronic device can cause a destructive short. If you want to be as safe as possible just make a note on the delivery paper work that after an external examination you are accepting the set without a power cycle. I would wait long enough for the set to come up to your inside air temperature, and then allow for extra time for any moisture to evaporate.

The statement by the shipping company is designed to take them off the hook. If you bought your TV from a reliable dealer there should be no problem waiting to do a power check.

Before accepting delivery,I would examine the screen very carefully for any signs of micro cracks in the screen. A flash light from a sharp angle will make it easier to see such tiny cracks. That check shouldn't take more than five minutes. Any other physical damage should be obvious, and you shouldn't accept delivery if you see any cracks or other damage. If the internal packing doesn't look undisturbed that would be another reason to refuse delivery.

Enjoy. smile.gif
In the same regard, powering a set up, seeing the onboard menu/startup menu for 20 seconds, then powering down will not hurt anything as well. I have done this with my own sets. Keep in mind the other week when it was -30, that's a whole lot different. Everything changes when its that cold !
post #10600 of 13990
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Originally Posted by fkenyon View Post

I'm amazed at the variance in the picture I see. Some things are unbelievably perfect( like the Tonight Show), a some others suffer from way too much darkness ( for example, I was watching Breaking Bad on netflix and some scenes were simply too dark. Anyone else have this experience?

Yep...on some HD feeds with proper lighting and filming it looks fantastic...but a lot of low light scenes look bad on my set...hence the reason it is going back...for my needs it isn't a good general purpose overall picture set.

Found this post by another user on this forum:
]I've owned the VT60 for about 2 months, and I can say as for my preference, that it is a very dim tv, and lacks any real pop.. I had it mounted near my GT50 and the GT50 had
much more pop than did the VT60.. Not to mention that the screen on the vt60 is EXTREMELY reflective.. Go with the f8500.
post #10601 of 13990
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

It's called the source. Feed it quality material and it looks great, feed it something that isn't and it is going to look bad.

Agree but I just think this set's overall dimness contributes to 'lesser filming quality' sources looking even worse.

With as dim as this set runs I don't think there is a lot of margin for error so to say...so maybe our sets run on the less brighter side than others which makes it even more noticeable.
Edited by greginaz1 - 1/15/14 at 8:08am
post #10602 of 13990
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Originally Posted by greginaz1 View Post

Yep...on some HD feeds with proper lighting and filming it looks fantastic...but a lot of low light scenes look bad on my set...hence the reason it is going back...for my needs it isn't a good general purpose overall picture set.

Found this post by another user on this forum:
]I've owned the VT60 for about 2 months, and I can say as for my preference, that it is a very dim tv, and lacks any real pop.. I had it mounted near my GT50 and the GT50 had
much more pop than did the VT60.. Not to mention that the screen on the vt60 is EXTREMELY reflective.. Go with the f8500.
I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but did you try the settings I linked to some posts back for you? Every day I watch this TV it looks better and better whether it is at night or even in the daytime.

I can assure you the GT50 does not have more pop then the VT60. I also owned an ST60 which was better then the GT50 and the VT60 is obvioulsy better then that. As far as refelctive screens. Every TV will have a reflective screen. If it doesn't as a uses a semi-matte screen the colors and black levels are ususally bad and will definitley not have that pop you are expecting. Ever better LED TV has a highly reflective screen. What sperates the better TV's from the lower end TV's is how well the TV will soak up the reflections and let the picture take front and center stage. Obviously there comes a point that if your room has sun blarring through into it with no form of protection the TV will only go so far. While an LED might be able to get blarring bright at that point and trust me you will still see reflections PQ is obviously not your concern in that situation. No one is sitting in a room filled with sunshine, reflections and glares worrying about being immersed in their TV and how good the black levels are. As long as you have something you can see should qulaify for good enough at they time.

Great thing with a plasma is you can move to the side and lots of times be rid of a lot of the reflections. Try that with an LED and see how nice your picture looks. You can't even move to the side in a darkened room and enjoy an LED TV.
post #10603 of 13990
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Not sure if you are still within the return window, but have you seriously considered getting a replacement? If the replacement is the same then you know that it's preference. If it has that pop that yours is lacking then you're golden. I know I would try that first before looking at other TV models. At the very least for peace of mind.

I agree but unfortunately none left in the area...
post #10604 of 13990
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Who you bought your TV from or who delivered it makes no difference. What you need to be concerned with is how cold it is when the set is delivered. It was 71 degrees here at 3:30PM today. Not too long ago people were taking delivery on days in the Mid-West and North East at below 18 degrees. If you are in a region where conditions are freezing I would open the box and wait over night. Were I live, I would power it up right away. As usual, it just depends. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

In the same regard, powering a set up, seeing the onboard menu/startup menu for 20 seconds, then powering down will not hurt anything as well. I have done this with my own sets. Keep in mind the other week when it was -30, that's a whole lot different. Everything changes when its that cold !

I am in northern NJ and it is expected to be about 35-40 degrees. I would like to power it on to make sure it is not DOA but can wait if it is better to do so. With those temps in mind, should I do a quick power on or wait?
post #10605 of 13990
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but did you try the settings I linked to some posts back for you? Every day I watch this TV it looks better and better whether it is at night or even in the daytime.

I can assure you the GT50 does not have more pop then the VT60. I also owned an ST60 which was better then the GT50 and the VT60 is obvioulsy better then that. As far as refelctive screens. Every TV will have a reflective screen. If it doesn't as a uses a semi-matte screen the colors and black levels are ususally bad and will definitley not have that pop you are expecting. Ever better LED TV has a highly reflective screen. What sperates the better TV's from the lower end TV's is how well the TV will soak up the reflections and let the picture take front and center stage. Obviously there comes a point that if your room has sun blarring through into it with no form of protection the TV will only go so far. While an LED might be able to get blarring bright at that point and trust me you will still see reflections PQ is obviously not your concern in that situation. No one is sitting in a room filled with sunshine, reflections and glares worrying about being immersed in their TV and how good the black levels are. As long as you have something you can see should qulaify for good enough at they time.

Great thing with a plasma is you can move to the side and lots of times be rid of a lot of the reflections. Try that with an LED and see how nice your picture looks. You can't even move to the side in a darkened room and enjoy an LED TV.

I am running Silly's settings now...will advise after I watch for a bit...thanks.

I don't know if anything is obvious in comparisons any more since people's opinions vary so much! rolleyes.gif

Thing is my TV is in a room with windows but none actually face the set...

We had a Vizio LED in our bedroom for a few years and I didn't really notice much side angle view drop off...though I probably never watched it that way.
post #10606 of 13990
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Originally Posted by rlb4 View Post


I am in northern NJ and it is expected to be about 35-40 degrees. I would like to power it on to make sure it is not DOA but can wait if it is better to do so. With those temps in mind, should I do a quick power on or wait?
I personally wouldn't. There is no reason to take the risk, especially if you ordered from somewhere with a good return policy.

When Pilot delivered my TV, they had an instruction sheet with them and number 1 said, if the temperature is under 50 degrees outside do not power the TV on but just do an eye check for physical damage. If you don't follow those rules and power the TV on anyway and something should go wrong you might be held reliable for damaging the TV, especially if the driver is smart enough to note it on the paperwork he advised not to do it.

Any way, bottom line is if you ordered from a store that takes returns 100% don't do it. I don't know how other places handle situations like this that do not accept returns after delivery though.
post #10607 of 13990
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Originally Posted by greginaz1 View Post

I am running Silly's settings now...will advise after I watch for a bit...thanks.

I don't know if anything is obvious in comparisons any more since people's opinions vary so much! rolleyes.gif

Thing is my TV is in a room with windows but none actually face the set...

We had a Vizio LED in our bedroom for a few years and I didn't really notice much side angle view drop off...though I probably never watched it that way.
Might be stating the obvious but make sure the settings are set for the source you are using. I know, some people hate when the obvious is stated until it isn't do obvious for everyone. Lol
post #10608 of 13990
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but did you try the settings I linked to some posts back for you? Every day I watch this TV it looks better and better whether it is at night or even in the daytime.

I can assure you the GT50 does not have more pop then the VT60. I also owned an ST60 which was better then the GT50 and the VT60 is obvioulsy better then that. As far as refelctive screens. Every TV will have a reflective screen. If it doesn't as a uses a semi-matte screen the colors and black levels are ususally bad and will definitley not have that pop you are expecting. Ever better LED TV has a highly reflective screen. What sperates the better TV's from the lower end TV's is how well the TV will soak up the reflections and let the picture take front and center stage. Obviously there comes a point that if your room has sun blarring through into it with no form of protection the TV will only go so far. While an LED might be able to get blarring bright at that point and trust me you will still see reflections PQ is obviously not your concern in that situation. No one is sitting in a room filled with sunshine, reflections and glares worrying about being immersed in their TV and how good the black levels are. As long as you have something you can see should qulaify for good enough at they time.

Great thing with a plasma is you can move to the side and lots of times be rid of a lot of the reflections. Try that with an LED and see how nice your picture looks. You can't even move to the side in a darkened room and enjoy an LED TV.

After a few minutes Silly's settings look pretty good...but only on bright scenes...low light scenes just seem too dark and shadowy to me...maybe I just don't know what low light scenes are supposed to look like?

Even on some bright scenes some faces especially edges of the faces look like they are in shadows/dim/dark...and maybe they are and this set is showing it...maybe it really shows everything and I just don't like it?

In general commercials appear great because most are bright and filmed in well lit conditions.
post #10609 of 13990
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I personally wouldn't. There is no reason to take the risk, especially if you ordered from somewhere with a good return policy.
Here is the # 1 issue, with some venders/shippers once you sign, that's it. Damages are completely different than a return. Power up will tell you 100% for sure if the unit is cracked. If it is cracked it will not turn on it will hum loudly. If it was my personal TV I would power it on for 20 seconds, nothing has time to warm up at that point to cause condensation. That is the number one issue, condensation. In the same regard I bet condensation in some situations happen anyway.
post #10610 of 13990
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Originally Posted by greginaz1 View Post

Agree but I just think this set's overall dimness contributes to 'lesser filming quality' sources looking even worse.

With as dim as this set runs I don't think there is a lot of margin for error so to say...so maybe our sets run on the less brighter side than others which makes it even more noticeable.

Most calibrators (pro or DIY using equipment) are going to set this display and others including the 8500 at a similar light output because that additional brightness isn't required and is sometimes detrimental to achieving a reference picture. I think everyone has been respectful of your opinion regarding this set, but you've just made a blanket statement that is incorrect. There is nothing dim about the VT60 or ZT60, next time your in Birmingham stop by and I will demonstrate what a well calibrated VT60 can look like - plenty of pop, 3D like image, clear/sharp and rich correct looking colors. Netflix streaming on my LEDs (which are in the bedroom and another room in our house) looks like crap depending on what the Netflix gods have decided to bless me with in regards to bandwidth/quality/server - whether its Riddick or Ice Age. The Netflix sources feeding my VT and Sony XBR are even hard wired into my router and I pay Charter a nice fee every month for their highest speed connection.

Remember I have a Pioneer 5020 in my house, so the Pioneer is much brighter comment I can respectfully disagree with. The difference may be that mine have been calibrated and I don't watch any display I own in Vivid or set up in a similar way smile.gif I will post a picture of the left side of the room my VT resides in the next sunny day we have - maybe this weekend - and you will see that if I can enjoy my picture during peak sun then it can't be too dim.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. I just don't like it when someone makes what seems like a blanket statement. If that wasn't the intent my apologies. I respect that some find this display and other plasmas too dim, but that is the exception based on a lot of pro reviews and for a vast majority of us who have bought one, owned it for a few months and set it up correctly. Good luck with your next display.
post #10611 of 13990
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Might be stating the obvious but make sure the settings are set for the source you are using. I know, some people hate when the obvious is stated until it isn't do obvious for everyone. Lol

Yep but my old plasma handled most all sources best with one setting...I NEVER changed it...and this plasma to me doesn't handle low light scenes well because the set is so dim...plus after a week of messing I still haven't found a setting for low light scenes that looks good to me.tongue.gif
post #10612 of 13990
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Originally Posted by greginaz1 View Post

After a few minutes Silly's settings look pretty good...but only on bright scenes...low light scenes just seem too dark and shadowy to me...maybe I just don't know what low light scenes are supposed to look like?

Even on some bright scenes some faces especially edges of the faces look like they are in shadows/dim/dark...and maybe they are and this set is showing it...maybe it really shows everything and I just don't like it?

In general commercials appear great because most are bright and filmed in well lit conditions.
You are probably seeing exactly what is suppose to been seen but try raising the Brightness setting up from +2 to something higher. Pause it on a dark scene when you do that and make sure the source is decent. This will raise the black levels and might help with what you want to see as suppose to what you should see.
post #10613 of 13990
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Most calibrators (pro or DIY using equipment) are going to set this display and others including the 8500 at a similar light output because that additional brightness isn't required and is sometimes detrimental to achieving a reference picture. I think everyone has been respectful of your opinion regarding this set, but you've just made a blanket statement that is incorrect. There is nothing dim about the VT60 or ZT60, next time your in Birmingham stop by and I will demonstrate what a well calibrated VT60 can look like - plenty of pop, 3D like image, clear/sharp and rich correct looking colors. Netflix streaming on my LEDs (which are in the bedroom and another room in our house) looks like crap depending on what the Netflix gods have decided to bless me with in regards to bandwidth/quality/server - whether its Riddick or Ice Age. The Netflix sources feeding my VT and Sony XBR are even hard wired into my router and I pay Charter a nice fee every month for their highest speed connection.

Remember I have a Pioneer 5020 in my house, so the Pioneer is much brighter comment I can respectfully disagree with. The difference may be that mine have been calibrated and I don't watch any display I own in Vivid or set up in a similar way smile.gif I will post a picture of the left side of the room my VT resides in the next sunny day we have - maybe this weekend - and you will see that if I can enjoy my picture during peak sun then it can't be too dim.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. I just don't like it when someone makes what seems like a blanket statement. If that wasn't the intent my apologies. I respect that some find this display and other plasmas too dim, but that is the exception based on a lot of pro reviews and for a vast majority of us who have bought one, owned it for a few months and set it up correctly. Good luck with your next display.

Yeah, I'm no expert and really not trying to make blanket statements and I've been respectful too of some condescension wink.gif but my 5040 has been running for 9 years in out of box standard mode and looks great...I have never watched any set I own for more than a second in Vivid mode.

Maybe MY SET is dimmer than most...unfortunately I have nothing to compare to other than my 5040.

Also I believe my 5040 is a lot older than your 5020 and much brighter as panels were back in those days...so your respectfully disagree comment is a bit 'dim'. biggrin.gif
post #10614 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Here is the # 1 issue, with some venders/shippers once you sign, that's it. Damages are completely different than a return. Power up will tell you 100% for sure if the unit is cracked. If it is cracked it will not turn on it will hum loudly. If it was my personal TV I would power it on for 20 seconds, nothing has time to warm up at that point to cause condensation. That is the number one issue, condensation. In the same regard I bet condensation in some situations happen anyway.

Couldn't their be condensation from being in a cold truck in below 50 degree weather for hours then going into a 70 degree room? Even though no condensation will form in 20 seconds, I'm worried it might already be there. I guess it is safer to wait.
post #10615 of 13990
I think the VT60 excels at low light scenes, better than my VT50 and should be because of the lower black levels and higher contrast ratio. I have contrast set at just 67 and using THX cinema for now since mine is fairly new. Plenty of brightness potential from this TV. I guess since I am accustomed to a Sony high end tube tv and mainly plasma, I am not used to an overly bright picture but like a more accurate and natural looking picture.
post #10616 of 13990
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

You are probably seeing exactly what is suppose to been seen but try raising the Brightness setting up from +2 to something higher. Pause it on a dark scene when you do that and make sure the source is decent. This will raise the black levels and might help with what you want to see as suppose to what you should see.

Thanks.

Yeah, I've tried that and the more brightness added helps but also appears to wash things out a bit.

Well then I guess I just don't appreciate or like what dark scenes are 'supposed' to look like...I guess that is why there are a gazillion TVs out there for all the different types of pics people like...cool.gif
post #10617 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Todd68 View Post

I think the VT60 excels at low light scenes, better than my VT50 and should be because of the lower black levels and higher contrast ratio. I have contrast set at just 67 and using THX cinema for now since mine is fairly new. Plenty of brightness potential from this TV. I guess since I am accustomed to a Sony high end tube tv and mainly plasma, I am not used to an overly bright picture but like a more accurate and natural looking picture.

Again, saying 'plasma' is too general...because I have an old Pioneer plasma that really cranks brightness...and I hadn't bought another plasma until the VT and didn't realize how dim (TO ME) that they have gotten over the last 9 years.

Plus I watch more sports than Blu Rays and I think sports lighting conditions are dimmer themselves and don't pop as much on the VT.

Hey, to each their own I was just trying to get the most out of this set while within my free return eval period.

Thanks to everybody for the help.
post #10618 of 13990
Are Sillys settings under his signature?
post #10619 of 13990
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Originally Posted by greginaz1 View Post

Again, saying 'plasma' is too general...because I have an old Pioneer plasma that really cranks brightness...and I hadn't bought another plasma until the VT and didn't realize how dim (TO ME) that they have gotten over the last 9 years.

Plus I watch more sports than Blu Rays and I think sports lighting conditions are dimmer themselves and don't pop as much on the VT.

Hey, to each their own I was just trying to get the most out of this set while within my free return eval period.

Thanks to everybody for the help.

Maybe you would like the Samsung 8500? You wont have to worry about too dim with that set.
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Are Sillys settings under his signature?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread/1110#post_23439581
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