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post #121 of 14006
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Originally Posted by koan View Post

Ken on the F8500 thread had the opposite impression on seeing both next to each other. He thought the Samsung had the better picture, but qualified it by saying neither were calibrated.

Will always come down to personal preference.....youll see answers both ways I am sure in the coming weeks\months....
post #122 of 14006
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Will always come down to personal preference.....youll see answers both ways I am sure in the coming weeks\months....

...years. I'm waiting for my DLP's bulb warranty to expire, then will make a choice. Originally I thought Panny, then saw that Samsung handled IR better with past sets. Now I'm just sitting back and reading about the pros and cons of the 2013 models. Eventually I'll get out and look for myself, but the IR handling so far is the top con I'll be looking at.
post #123 of 14006
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Originally Posted by koan View Post

...years. I'm waiting for my DLP's bulb warranty to expire, then will make a choice. Originally I thought Panny, then saw that Samsung handled IR better with past sets. Now I'm just sitting back and reading about the pros and cons of the 2013 models. Eventually I'll get out and look for myself, but the IR handling so far is the top con I'll be looking at.

I thought this too until brightness fluctuations punched me in the face with on the 8500. I am now rethinking that stance. I am patiently waiting to here the the owner on brightness pops when watching hockey.
post #124 of 14006
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Originally Posted by koan View Post

...years. I'm waiting for my DLP's bulb warranty to expire, then will make a choice. Originally I thought Panny, then saw that Samsung handled IR better with past sets. Now I'm just sitting back and reading about the pros and cons of the 2013 models. Eventually I'll get out and look for myself, but the IR handling so far is the top con I'll be looking at.

If you can wait the best thing to do is wait wink.gif even if the bulb warranty ends though theya re not "that" expensive wink.gif I think I paid ~100 for my last one since the 1st one was still going @ ~13K hours but was dimming.

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Originally Posted by Thelt2000x View Post

I thought this too until brightness fluctuations punched me in the face with on the 8500. I am now rethinking that stance. I am patiently waiting to here the the owner on brightness pops when watching hockey.

You may have had a defective set since none of the settings that others tried successfully worked fo ryou, of course you may just be uber sensitive to them as well.]Panasonics tend to handle the transition more smoothly than the Samsungs, but ABL will always be there wink.gif have you gone out to test in the store? peoples opinions only go so far and youll have to use your own eyes as the final judgement smile.gif
post #125 of 14006
I am now also a member of the VT60 club! Just got her home and excited to get some movie time in and get my hours up than treated to a possible calibration in the near future ala the woman.
post #126 of 14006
How's the black level on the vt60's?
post #127 of 14006
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

If you can wait the best thing to do is wait wink.gif even if the bulb warranty ends though theya re not "that" expensive wink.gif I think I paid ~100 for my last one since the 1st one was still going @ ~13K hours but was dimming.
You may have had a defective set since none of the settings that others tried successfully worked fo ryou, of course you may just be uber sensitive to them as well.]Panasonics tend to handle the transition more smoothly than the Samsungs, but ABL will always be there wink.gif have you gone out to test in the store? peoples opinions only go so far and youll have to use your own eyes as the final judgement smile.gif

Well i did say the contrast at 75 worked. It just made the tv look really dull.....
post #128 of 14006
Just by eyeballing it, not official numbers or anything? Trying to pull all my stuff downstairs now and away from my VT25 so I can see what's what. I'll try to watch the same content on both and get a good feel for how the black levels are. (Now granted I don't have a VT50 to immediately compare it to or anything) haha
post #129 of 14006
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Originally Posted by ambitionz View Post

I am now also a member of the VT60 club! Just got her home and excited to get some movie time in and get my hours up than treated to a possible calibration in the near future ala the woman.

Congrats on the set, looking forward to your review smile.gif
post #130 of 14006
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Originally Posted by leroyjr1 View Post

How's the black level on the vt60's?


They are excellent ,from what I have read but then what are you comparing it to? The only real review we've had are from the EU so if you are an NA customer you may ahve to wait a little bit until a calibrator or someone with some equipment can get thier hands on it........
post #131 of 14006
Hey MrXo, the flyers v rangers game is on the NBC sports network biggrin.gif.
post #132 of 14006
I'd love to hear how the 3D is as far as quality, crosstalk, any brightness pops, etc. Also interested in how fluid the UI is and what the "low" frame interpolation setting is like.

Congrats to those of you who are proud new owners of this set.
post #133 of 14006
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Here is the solution to that problem.

http://lightdims.com/

I notice that you said that it reflects like a mirror. Is there no anti-reflection coating on the outside of the front glass?

Those would be probably do the trick. However, since the light is on a clear bezel you would be left with a dark circle on the clear area. It is just annoying because I don't need a little light to tell me my tv is on. I can tell from the bright moving picture that is on the screen. I'll be holding out hope for a firmware update that may alleviate the issue.
post #134 of 14006
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Originally Posted by MrXo View Post

Someone asked for some menu shots. Couldn't sleep this morning, so might as well make myself useful...

Didn't get much chance to actually play with the set last night --- was doing an orgy of recabling the rats-nest behind the TV stand.

A few notes on things I was worried about:

- buzzing. Yes, there is a little bit. Seeing as how the better half is still asleep, I have it on mute. When TV switches to a commercial with an all-white background, there's a bit of buzzing... not a lot, and if it wasn't on mute, I don't think I'd have noticed. The full-screen white also looked a bit subdued... I expect that's just a plasma thing though.

- along the same lines, at start-up a fan kicks on. it quiets down in a second or two. overall, the noise from the Dish PVR or the PS3 is louder than the set.
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MrXo, do the fans blow out hot air or suck in air? I'm planning to wall mount mine but probably shouldn't block air flow if the fans blow in. My prospective mount sits about 1.8" off the wall.
post #135 of 14006
Didn't hook up my whole setup but I got enough so I could enjoy a bit of a movie… Going through all the setup things that come up when you first power on the tv now.


Here's two pictures from The Walking Dead

VT25


VT50



Here's my quick slapped together system to listen to something… Don't judge the current tv stand, the real one comes in Saturday and I am mounting this TV if I keep it down here (i might replace my VT25 upstairs with this and get a ZT60 for down here if the ZT proves to be that superior)

I also tried to show what the home screen looked like through a receiver. I actually like it thus far. The black are noticeably significantly black from what I see.





Edited by ambitionz - 4/16/13 at 6:14pm
post #136 of 14006
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Originally Posted by Thelt2000x View Post

Hey MrXo, the flyers v rangers game is on the NBC sports network biggrin.gif.

I'm out in Sharks territory. They have a game tonight, if I can ever manage to leave work...
post #137 of 14006
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

I'd love to hear how the 3D is as far as quality, crosstalk, any brightness pops, etc. Also interested in how fluid the UI is and what the "low" frame interpolation setting is like.

Congrats to those of you who are proud new owners of this set.

3D is on my list to try out tonight. Had to drop by the Fry's and pick up a movie (grabbed The Hobbit).

Needed to have something to test with -- after all, the glasses might be defective or something. smile.gif
post #138 of 14006
With respect to the hockey game... what exactly am I looking for? Is this something I can see if I watch for 5 minutes, or is it something that happens rarely?

This is my first plasma, so I don't know what to expect...
post #139 of 14006
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Originally Posted by MrXo View Post

With respect to the hockey game... what exactly am I looking for? Is this something I can see if I watch for 5 minutes, or is it something that happens rarely?

This is my first plasma, so I don't know what to expect...

Youd be looking for increases or decreases of screen brightness as the camera pans especially when it pans from teh ice and then has the half crowd half ice shown......This will be different than the flashes you will see goming from the cameras.....As far as I know Panasonics dont exhibit it in the same way, so you may not see it even if it does happen....you really have to look for it...
post #140 of 14006
Anyone with the set in a position to comment yet on the audio quality of the built-in speakers?

And how does the set hold up with respect to brightness in a well lit room? People have been raving about the brightness ability of the F8500. Would be interesting to see how the VT stacks up against the F8500 in a well lit room.
post #141 of 14006
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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Anyone with the set in a position to comment yet on the audio quality of the built-in speakers?

And how does the set hold up with respect to brightness in a well lit room? People have been raving about the brightness ability of the F8500. Would be interesting to see how the VT stacks up against the F8500 in a well lit room.

Ken did a review of the VT60 he saw twice today........There were some pictures and comments form MrXO on the brightness and daytime handeling as well earlier I think.....
post #142 of 14006
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Youd be looking for increases or decreases of screen brightness as the camera pans especially when it pans from teh ice and then has the half crowd half ice shown......This will be different than the flashes you will see goming from the cameras.....As far as I know Panasonics dont exhibit it in the same way, so you may not see it even if it does happen....you really have to look for it...

I see full-screen blips in brightness every 20 sec or so... perhaps these are camera flashes?

I don't see any gradual increases or decreases in the ice brightness during pans. But now that I know what I'm looking for, I'll pay more attention.
post #143 of 14006
We single-frame advanced the Dish through some of the full-screen blips. They are clearly on the source, so they must be camera flashes.

So far I don't see any changes in ice brightness. If it's happening, it's too subtle for me to notice.

Ice hockey looks good on this TV. Go Sharks.


As for the audio - it's not as good as my AVR and speakers. A bit tinny, missing some bass. There are some surround and bass enhancement modes, but I haven't tried them yet.

I'd describe it as OK, not great. I think the DLP it replaced sounded better, but the bottom 6" of that was basically a 10-speaker soundbar. The speakers on the VT60 are pretty tiny, but they put out a fair amount of sound. The ST60 in the store sounded much worse.

Oh, and the fans blow out. I think there are two, on the top, one on each side. There is a vent in the middle that the air is probably pulled in through.
post #144 of 14006
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Originally Posted by MrXo View Post

We single-frame advanced the Dish through some of the full-screen blips. They are clearly on the source, so they must be camera flashes.

So far I don't see any changes in ice brightness. If it's happening, it's too subtle for me to notice.

Ice hockey looks good on this TV. Go Sharks.


As for the audio - it's not as good as my AVR and speakers. A bit tinny, missing some bass. There are some surround and bass enhancement modes, but I haven't tried them yet.

I'd describe it as OK, not great. I think the DLP it replaced sounded better, but the bottom 6" of that was basically a 10-speaker soundbar. The speakers on the VT60 are pretty tiny, but they put out a fair amount of sound. The ST60 in the store sounded much worse.

Oh, and the fans blow out. I think there are two, on the top, one on each side. There is a vent in the middle that the air is probably pulled in through.
Thanks Xo. Maybe some of the audio enhancement modes will improve the audio performance. I'll be looking forward to your comments about this as you have more time with this set. Again, thanks for the feedback.
post #145 of 14006
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

I'd love to hear how the 3D is as far as quality, crosstalk, any brightness pops, etc. Also interested in how fluid the UI is and what the "low" frame interpolation setting is like.

Watched the first half of The Hobbit this evening. 3D looked good (well, as good as a movie can look when you are watching it through sunglasses). No crosstalk that I could see. No brightness pops.

The UI is pretty snappy, but I haven't done much other than change modes. The TV interface is fairly well designed, and I appreciate the mostly helpful descriptions of what the settings do and the built-in manual.

Haven't played with the frame rate settings at all. They are currently at 60 Hz and no motion interpolation enabled.
post #146 of 14006
Completely unscientific report on the game lag situation...

Set it up in Game Mode. It's running off of HDMI through the new pre-pro (a Marantz 7701), sourced from a PS3. Fired up Rocksmith.

Rocksmith is mostly sensitive to audio lag, because its irritating to strum your guitar and hear the chord with a delay. The Marantz in its normal mode is just a tad laggy (probably playable, but slightly irritating). Putting it in Direct mode (no processing) got rid of the lag.

The game has an adjustment for video latency that involves listening to the audio and adjusting the lag number so that it matches a video blip. This is fairly hard to eyeball, but numbers in the 40-60 ms range looked about right to me. That's better than the DLP, which was around 115 or so.

I could run Rock Band, which has a slightly more sophisticated way to individually calibrate audio and video lag, as well as automagic calibration via the joystick-guitar (it has an audio and video sensor in it). That will have to wait until tomorrow.

I haven't tried any action titles - not really that much of a console gamer. I could try running around in Uncharted 3, but I don't think I'd notice much difference, especially since I'm used to considerably more lag.
post #147 of 14006
Thanks for the game lag report. I think I've heard 40 ms for this set, which should be fine.

I swore in the past that I'd never buy or not buy a set because of aesthetics, but I'm really loving that edge to edge glass along with the V stand. Anxiously awaiting a full review of these babies. I hope they test closer to the ZT60's than the ST60's. If it really is a decent improvement on the ST60's and the ZT60 comes out only slightly better, then I may just be convinced to save up my pennies for this model and wait it out.
post #148 of 14006
What is cable management like? Is there a clip or something on the backside of the 'v' in the stand to hide the cables?
post #149 of 14006
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Originally Posted by RodChester View Post

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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Here is the solution to that problem.

http://lightdims.com/

I notice that you said that it reflects like a mirror. Is there no anti-reflection coating on the outside of the front glass?

Those would be probably do the trick. However, since the light is on a clear bezel you would be left with a dark circle on the clear area. It is just annoying because I don't need a little light to tell me my tv is on. I can tell from the bright moving picture that is on the screen. I'll be holding out hope for a firmware update that may alleviate the issue.

Ain't going to happen.
post #150 of 14006
MrXo, this is great news about the pops. Thanks for taking time to look at some hockey for us. Did you notice and DSE on this TV?
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